What idiot...

[klompton]

What idiot put the notation on Greb's record that there is reason to believe he didnt lose the sight of his eye? Theres a hell of a lot more reason to believe that he did lose the sight given everyone close to him to a man after he died revealed that he was blind in one eye including his personal physician. It was well known, through several infections and postponements that he was having intermittent eye problems throughout the latter part of his career and you can see in photos taken in the last year of his life that one eye is slightly "off" or looking the wrong way. Not to mention he actually had the eye removed, which is well documented by first hand accounts after his third bout with flowers. I really get tired of people trying to make a name for themselves as historians by revising things that can easily be looked at and confirmed simply because they have an account at Newspaper.com and have read a couple of Ring Magazines... :x

[Luckett]

I am that idiot. Assuming that you aren't about 15 years old, I suggest that you learn some etiquette. In fact, I suggest you learn some etiquette even if you are 15 years old.

Not only have I done extensive research on Greb's career, but I have also corresponded with two other historians who have looked into these matters. I'm sure that these historians would disagree with me on how some of the Greb facts might be interpreted, but never once have we been rude to each other. I won't even discuss the subject with you without a personal apology.

[klompton]

I apologize to you personally but professionally as someone who calls himself a historian I dont see how you can make the claim that there is evidence to suggest that Greb didnt lose the sight in his right eye when all of the evidence points to this quite clearly not to mention his closest friends and family had no reason to lie about that and they all agreed to the hows and whys. There is plenty of B.S. out there about greb perpetuated by people like James Fair, Stan Weston, and Nat Fleisher, not to mention a host of New York writers that had little or no contact with Greb among the chief offenders was Jack Kofoed. This is revisionism at its best and I have a serious problem with that.

[scottmallon]

I apologize to you personally but professionally as someone who calls himself a historian I dont see how you can make the claim that there is evidence to suggest that Greb didnt lose the sight in his right eye when all of the evidence points to this quite clearly not to mention his closest friends and family had no reason to lie about that and they all agreed to the hows and whys. There is plenty of B.S. out there about greb perpetuated by people like James Fair, Stan Weston, and Nat Fleisher, not to mention a host of New York writers that had little or no contact with Greb among the chief offenders was Jack Kofoed. This is revisionism at its best and I have a serious problem with that.

Dude what is your problem? If you know so much, handle the matter yourself but stop bitching at others on this board. It seems you do alot of that and it's unnecessary. I believe Luckett asked you a question, "Are you 15 years old?" It sure seems like it. Mellow out...

[klompton]

I stated my stance scott. There is no reason to believe that Greb didnt go blind in one and it shouldnt have been put in his record. People see that and take it as gospel. So now one mans opinion written two generations after Greb's death is supposed to outweigh the testimony of his friends and family and all of the other evidence out there? Please. I respect Luckett's record keeping abilities but in this instance he over stepped his bounds. He is human and as such he is not infallible and as for his researching of Greb's career Ill put my own research and records up against his any day of the week. He researched one pittsburgh paper for Greb's career and then put it down as definitive. Sorry but there were 7, yes SEVEN papers in Pittsburgh, all of which Ive researched for Greb's career, in addition to the papers from the numerous town were Greb fought, performed, trained, vacationed, etc. Any day Luckett wants to compare notes Id be more than happy to but I certainly wouldnt second guess the people closest to Greb including his doctors who all stated that Greb had been blind in his right since his 1921 fight with Kid Norfolk.