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bennie wrote:Not sure what you think about this (I loathe it) but we have an event coming up in London called 'Prizefighter'. It gives one of eight British welterweights (all leading pros, here) the chance to collect £25,000. How it works is that winners of four original pairings proceed to two semi-finals, and the winners there move on to the final. The winner of that, the outright winner of course, collects the £25,000, and thus needs to win three times in one night.
"It's three-round fights and it's quick action for a younger audience," said promoter Barry Hearn, who has already staged two successful prizefighter events at heavyweight (and this is already a sell-out). "Twelve-round fights can sometimes be painfully boring and young kids today want a quick adrenaline fix. Prizefighter's not for the purists, but it delivers as an entertainment...it's a great night out."
Hearn continued: "We've got to live with MMA, learn from it and innovate. MMA attracts a younger crowd who want fast, physical action delivered in an entertaining style. Boxing promoters can't bury their heads in the sand." He said boxing has "too many mismatches", and "Mickey Mouse titles" were confusing fans.
Boxers eliminated in their first fight receive £3,500; in the semis, £7,000.
The losing finalist picks up £10,000.
That sounds like the one we had here at the Forum back in the 1980's, nothing wrong with it imo,
it gives fighters a chance to shine, if even for a brief monent. I don't agree with the 3 fights in one night.
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kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Not sure what you think about this (I loathe it) but we have an event coming up in London called 'Prizefighter'. It gives one of eight British welterweights (all leading pros, here) the chance to collect £25,000. How it works is that winners of four original pairings proceed to two semi-finals, and the winners there move on to the final. The winner of that, the outright winner of course, collects the £25,000, and thus needs to win three times in one night.
"It's three-round fights and it's quick action for a younger audience," said promoter Barry Hearn, who has already staged two successful prizefighter events at heavyweight (and this is already a sell-out). "Twelve-round fights can sometimes be painfully boring and young kids today want a quick adrenaline fix. Prizefighter's not for the purists, but it delivers as an entertainment...it's a great night out."
Hearn continued: "We've got to live with MMA, learn from it and innovate. MMA attracts a younger crowd who want fast, physical action delivered in an entertaining style. Boxing promoters can't bury their heads in the sand." He said boxing has "too many mismatches", and "Mickey Mouse titles" were confusing fans.
Boxers eliminated in their first fight receive £3,500; in the semis, £7,000.
The losing finalist picks up £10,000.
That sounds like the one we had here at the Forum back in the 1980's, nothing wrong with it imo,
it gives fighters a chance to shine, if even for a brief monent. I don't agree with the 3 fights in one night.
I am certainly in the minority when it comes to disliking it. The heavyweight events here went down a storm but it seems different, somehow, with welterweights. There is some real quality on show, fighting three-rounders. Strange. I suppose Contender five-rounders are no different.
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kikibalt wrote:Photo courtesy of Bruce

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George Foreman & Dick Saddler
Frank,
What did you think of Dick Saddler as a trainer and/or manager, did you know him?
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Bobbin & Weavin wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Photo courtesy of Bruce

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George Foreman & Dick Saddler
Frank,
What did you think of Dick Saddler as a trainer and/or manager, did you know him?
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Bruce, I can't say one way or other as I never met him.
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Blame Howard Cosell for ballpark nachos

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Is there anything that makes you feel worse after eating them than ballpark nachos?

Maybe you've had better experiences than I have had, or go to a better class of ballpark. But every order of nachos I've ever eaten tasted like soggy cardboard drenched in melted Cheez Whiz with a few mild, perhaps expired, jalapeno peppers scattered on top.

I thought of this because of the excellent obituary in today's LA Times about Carmen Rocha, the waitress who introduced nachos -- not ballpark nachos but real ones -- to Jack Nicholson and other Angelenos at El Cholo Mexican restaurant.

As for ballpark nachos? We have none other than Howard Cosell to thank for their popularity in stadiums and arenas throughout the country.

Cosell, Don Meredith and Frank Gifford, the "Monday Night Football" crew, tested them on air more than 30 years ago and then mentioned them at every opportunity, creating an enormous appetite for them.

(That reminds me: Please vote in our favorite, least favorite sportscaster poll.)

Alas, we just missed the International Nacho Fest in Piedras Negras, Mexico.

-- Randy Harvey

Photo: A January 1972 photo released by ABC shows (from left) Don Meredith, Howard Cosell and Frank Gifford, the broadcasting team for "Monday Night Football." Credit: ABC / Associated Press Photo
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So what's the latest with Pugs Tio Juan?

I too had a Tio Juan, I'll see if I can fine a pic. of him to post.
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kikibalt wrote:Image
So what's the latest with Pugs Tio Juan?

I too had a Tio Juan, I'll see if I can fine a pic. of him to post.
Frank,
Uncle John and I just got done shopping at the Georgeo Armani store on Michigan Ave.
I popped for a fitted suit for him for the banquet on the fifteenth.
You ought to see him now!
In the picture here he may look like hes ready to heard sheep. But as of today he looks like James Bond .
The only thing is , I had to duke the tailor an extra hundred bucks for a custom pocket for uncle Johns flask. He dont wanna go to the banquet without his buddy Jameson.
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Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
So what's the latest with Pugs Tio Juan?

I too had a Tio Juan, I'll see if I can fine a pic. of him to post.
Frank,
Uncle John and I just got done shopping at the Georgeo Armani store on Michigan Ave.
I popped for a fitted suit for him for the banquet on the fifteenth.
You ought to see him now!
In the picture here he may look like hes ready to heard sheep. But as of today he looks like James Bond .
The only thing is , I had to duke the tailor an extra hundred bucks for a custom pocket for uncle Johns flask. He dont wanna go to the banquet without his buddy Jameson.

Pug
I'm tellin' ya' your Uncle John gets around. One of the kids in my class plays on this Pop Warner football team. He asked me if I'd come watch him play. I asked him how the team was doing and he told me they hadn't lost a game. Last year,the kid told me,the team was in the cellar,but since they got this new coach everythiung has turned around.

I get out to the field and see the teams getting warmed up running plays. I find my student's squad huddled up around their coach. What struck me about their coach was that he was wearing this real fancy suit. That went out years ago. Coaches wearing suits on the sideline,but here's a Pop Warner coach ,of all people ,wearing a tailored suit. From the back I couldn't make him out,but when he turned around and dismissed the team something struck me. I'd seen this guy before somewhere.

The white beard and chin whiskers. Yep,it was Pug's Uncle John. First the Ramos testimonial,then he's in the mountains of Michoacan,and now on a football field coaching from the sidelines. But today it was a sad day for the team. The winning streak came to an end. No,it wasn't the usual defeat in a hotly contested battle royal. Today the team was diqualified.

You see Uncle John went out on the field to talk to his players during a time out. When the waterboy brought out the water bottle,Uncle John pulled from his breast coat pocket what looked to be a flask. Yep,he made himself a bourbon and water right on the 50 yardline. Now that's against the rules. The ref threw the flag and told Incle John's team that they were done for the day.

The team,with heads down,walked slowly to the sideline. Uncle John was close behind them. He got the boys in a circle and apologized for doing such a stuopid thing.
"Next time,"he told the team,"I'll fill one of the water bottles with gin. They'll never know the difference."
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:lol: Yeah Rog, uncle John said something about going to a football game today.Son of a gun, I didnt know he was the head coach.That must have been why he was mumbling about Tom Landry all day.
He was also mumbling something about dinner at the Baltazar house after the game...not sure what he meant by that.
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Boxer Steven Luevano, right, is photographed at home with his wife Marina, holding their 14-month-old son Raymond, son Robert, 9, left, and daughter Rebecca, 7.

Boxers Marshall Martinez and Steven Luevano are blood brothers
The cousins took divergent paths in boxing but still support each other at all times.
By Lance Pugmire
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

October 17, 2008

Eight years ago, boxing promoter Bob Arum was convinced he'd landed the sport's next legend when he signed Marshall Martinez.

Martinez had defeated Miguel Cotto (a future welterweight champion) in an Olympic qualifying fight, and U.S. boxing officials envisioned a gold medal dangling around the neck of the tough, hard-punching kid from Fontana.

Martinez seemed headed to the Sydney Games. But the fighter nicknamed "little devil" had to quit the U.S. team after he wrote checks stolen from another athlete's Olympic training headquarters' mailbox. Instead, he turned pro.

Arum snapped Martinez up for a $50,000 bonus and, as a favor, signed Martinez's cousin, a scrawny La Puente teen named Steven Luevano. "Luevano was nothing special," Arum said. "We signed him only in order to get Martinez."

As it turned out, the cousins' careers took divergent paths.

Martinez's boxing plans came to a stop when he was arrested in 2004 for conspiracy to distribute cocaine and sentenced to a four-year prison term. He's now back in the gym, trying to reassemble his life and career. Meanwhile, Luevano (35-1-1, 15 knockouts) will defend his World Boxing Organization featherweight title against Billy "The Kid" Dib on the undercard of the Kelly Pavlik-Bernard Hopkins fight Saturday in Atlantic City, N.J.

The cousins chat on the phone frequently and visit each other when possible. Martinez says they're like "brothers." Luevano said he tosses his cousin occasional reminders, "to stay out of trouble.

"If he was going to do something, he was going to do it, and no one could stop him," Luevano recalled.

"They were always close," said Luevano's mother, Dolly, whose sister, Margie Carmona, is Martinez's mom. "But they're different people."

When they were young, they were driven to East Los Angeles by Martinez's mother to train. They shared the same dream to one day fight professionally and become world champions.

The shy Luevano for years maintained a disciplined routine: "Wake up, go to school, carpool to the gym, do his homework, eat, go to bed," his mother said. When he was 17 and had a child with his wife, Marina, the pattern didn't change. Boxing would now have to support a family.

Martinez always lived off-script. As a child, he'd throw rocks at his cousins. In his late teens, he had volatile relationships with girlfriends, he'd hang out with other cousins who were gang members and he'd know where to party.

Asked to explain the opposing forces that affected the cousins, Arum remains at a loss. "I'm not a psychiatrist," he said. "Martinez was a bad boy. We just didn't know how bad."

Before their first pro fight, the southpaw Luevano was becoming the tactician who now routinely out-thinks his opponents with counter-punching and sophisticated defense. "Wait, wait, wait for an opening," his amateur boxing trainer Manuel Montiel Jr. would tell him. "Make them miss, and make them pay."

Martinez's subtlety was a punch in the nose. The cousins' pro careers began on the same card as 19-year-olds, in an outdoor ring in Bell Gardens. Luevano won by second-round knockout. Martinez was victorious in typical tough-guy manner, overcoming an early broken nose to gain a unanimous decision.

Martinez frequently strayed into crises. He was shot in the hip at a party, spent three months in jail for a prior crime and became embroiled in disputes with Arum. He fought only eight times, going 7-0-1, including a July 2003 date in Mexico in what would be his last fight. By then, Luevano was 19-0 with nine knockouts.

Then, in August 2004, Martinez was arrested in a case involving more than five kilograms of cocaine -- with a street value of $750,000. Uicardo Williams Jr., who was a U.S. Olympic silver-medalist boxer in 2000, and a third man were also arrested and convicted.

Asked why he did it, Martinez said. "The money . . . you're making $110,000 every three to four days . . . I accepted responsibility, though. Yeah, I did it."

Martinez started prison with a year of hard time in Leavenworth, Kan., where he fought with one prisoner and got caught with a cellphone, violations that sent him into solitary isolation.

"When they take your freedom away and you're locked up in a box, it's the worst," Martinez said. "Being there changed me 360 degrees. Before, I was a walking time bomb . . . I realized God put me in there to turn my life around. I thought about all of that, how the people I thought were my friends weren't friends at all. . . .

"Going to prison is like dying and being able to see your own funeral. You get to see who brings you flowers.

"You know who did? My mom . . . and Steven, he sent me some money. That's who took care of me. I have no more 'friends,' it's just me and my girl, going to the gym every day and then back home."

One recent morning, at an East L.A. gym adorned with a small sign reading, "Champions never take the easy way out," Martinez started his comeback, slamming his fists into a heavy punching bag.

"He still has power in his hands," Montiel said. "He still has it in his heart to become someone, a champion."

Martinez's return to the ring will come at 140 pounds Nov. 1 at the Home Depot Center in Carson.

He's going after what his cousin attained in July 2007, when the 126-pound Luevano traveled to England and fought Nicky Cook. Dolly Luevano didn't have enough money to make the trip, so she stuck to her shift at a Lamps Plus in Upland and told her boss she was expecting a phone call.

The phone rang, and Dolly heard that Luevano had won the title in an 11th-round knockout. "I was so happy I started crying," Dolly said. "Steven had to prove himself to everyone. There were so many who said he'd never make it. Well, he showed them."

"He's done everything the right way," Martinez said. "That's why so many good things have happened."

As for Martinez's comeback plans, Luevano said: "He will be able to do as much as he wants to do."

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INSIDE OUT

I remember Muhammad Ali went to Tijuana to buy a heavy bag and some training gloves at a sporting goods store by the name of Deportes Viking.Ali was preparing in San Diego for his first Norton fight. Frank said he took Frankie there once after a training session at Cheto's Gym to buy some gloves.

I believe while in Tijuana Ali arranged an exhibition which eventually fell through.Ali was never popular in Mexico. I think that may have had something to do with it. Ali's "schtick" was a real turn off below the border. Shooting off your mouth is the worst way to try to acquire a fan base in Mexico.

Ali brought back the gear and talked about the Mexican leather being very soft and easy to work with. "Reyes" boxing equipment I think is the best because of its leather. Ali worked with the heavy bag,but wasn't very impressive. He danced around it and worked his jab more than sitting down on his punches. Ali would leave the bag chained up after finishing his workout,and then Norton would arrive and use Ali's heavy bag. Norton would hit the bag much harder than Ali did.

Someone said that Norton hit the bag harder than Ali. Muhammad heard the remark. Ali used to like to bring a microphone into the ring with him when he was training. Ali said the heavy bag wasn't an important component in his training regimen. Ali said a fighter doesn't stand in front of you like a heavy bag. Hitting the heavy bag with your feet "planted in concrete" wasn't a realistic scenario according to Muhammad.

Anyway after Norton upset Ali in San Diego,Ali left the bag here. I think Norton wound up with it. Maybe Muhammad felt he deserved it. Elvis Presley had given Ali a robe before the fight that had written on the back of it"THE PEOPLE'S CHAMPION".

After the decision Ali left the arena with the robe worn inside out. Ali might have thought Norton should have the heavy bag,but the robe? Even though he lost to Kenny,Ali knew he'd never be THE PEOPLE'S CHAMPION. For the moment he just wore it inside out. But after a while Ali wore the robe with THE PEOPLE'S CHAMPION on the outside again,but I don't think he ever wore it in Tijuana.
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Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
So what's the latest with Pugs Tio Juan?

I too had a Tio Juan, I'll see if I can fine a pic. of him to post.
Frank,
Uncle John and I just got done shopping at the Georgeo Armani store on Michigan Ave.
I popped for a fitted suit for him for the banquet on the fifteenth.
You ought to see him now!
In the picture here he may look like hes ready to heard sheep. But as of today he looks like James Bond .
The only thing is , I had to duke the tailor an extra hundred bucks for a custom pocket for uncle Johns flask. He dont wanna go to the banquet without his buddy Jameson.
Pug is Richard Dreyfuss in Down and Out in Beverly Hills.
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Randyman wrote:Image
Boxer Steven Luevano, right, is photographed at home with his wife Marina, holding their 14-month-old son Raymond, son Robert, 9, left, and daughter Rebecca, 7.

Boxers Marshall Martinez and Steven Luevano are blood brothers
The cousins took divergent paths in boxing but still support each other at all times.
By Lance Pugmire
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

October 17, 2008

Eight years ago, boxing promoter Bob Arum was convinced he'd landed the sport's next legend when he signed Marshall Martinez.

Martinez had defeated Miguel Cotto (a future welterweight champion) in an Olympic qualifying fight, and U.S. boxing officials envisioned a gold medal dangling around the neck of the tough, hard-punching kid from Fontana.

Martinez seemed headed to the Sydney Games. But the fighter nicknamed "little devil" had to quit the U.S. team after he wrote checks stolen from another athlete's Olympic training headquarters' mailbox. Instead, he turned pro.

Arum snapped Martinez up for a $50,000 bonus and, as a favor, signed Martinez's cousin, a scrawny La Puente teen named Steven Luevano. "Luevano was nothing special," Arum said. "We signed him only in order to get Martinez."

As it turned out, the cousins' careers took divergent paths.

Martinez's boxing plans came to a stop when he was arrested in 2004 for conspiracy to distribute cocaine and sentenced to a four-year prison term. He's now back in the gym, trying to reassemble his life and career. Meanwhile, Luevano (35-1-1, 15 knockouts) will defend his World Boxing Organization featherweight title against Billy "The Kid" Dib on the undercard of the Kelly Pavlik-Bernard Hopkins fight Saturday in Atlantic City, N.J.

The cousins chat on the phone frequently and visit each other when possible. Martinez says they're like "brothers." Luevano said he tosses his cousin occasional reminders, "to stay out of trouble.

"If he was going to do something, he was going to do it, and no one could stop him," Luevano recalled.

"They were always close," said Luevano's mother, Dolly, whose sister, Margie Carmona, is Martinez's mom. "But they're different people."

When they were young, they were driven to East Los Angeles by Martinez's mother to train. They shared the same dream to one day fight professionally and become world champions.

The shy Luevano for years maintained a disciplined routine: "Wake up, go to school, carpool to the gym, do his homework, eat, go to bed," his mother said. When he was 17 and had a child with his wife, Marina, the pattern didn't change. Boxing would now have to support a family.

Martinez always lived off-script. As a child, he'd throw rocks at his cousins. In his late teens, he had volatile relationships with girlfriends, he'd hang out with other cousins who were gang members and he'd know where to party.

Asked to explain the opposing forces that affected the cousins, Arum remains at a loss. "I'm not a psychiatrist," he said. "Martinez was a bad boy. We just didn't know how bad."

Before their first pro fight, the southpaw Luevano was becoming the tactician who now routinely out-thinks his opponents with counter-punching and sophisticated defense. "Wait, wait, wait for an opening," his amateur boxing trainer Manuel Montiel Jr. would tell him. "Make them miss, and make them pay."

Martinez's subtlety was a punch in the nose. The cousins' pro careers began on the same card as 19-year-olds, in an outdoor ring in Bell Gardens. Luevano won by second-round knockout. Martinez was victorious in typical tough-guy manner, overcoming an early broken nose to gain a unanimous decision.

Martinez frequently strayed into crises. He was shot in the hip at a party, spent three months in jail for a prior crime and became embroiled in disputes with Arum. He fought only eight times, going 7-0-1, including a July 2003 date in Mexico in what would be his last fight. By then, Luevano was 19-0 with nine knockouts.

Then, in August 2004, Martinez was arrested in a case involving more than five kilograms of cocaine -- with a street value of $750,000. Uicardo Williams Jr., who was a U.S. Olympic silver-medalist boxer in 2000, and a third man were also arrested and convicted.

Asked why he did it, Martinez said. "The money . . . you're making $110,000 every three to four days . . . I accepted responsibility, though. Yeah, I did it."

Martinez started prison with a year of hard time in Leavenworth, Kan., where he fought with one prisoner and got caught with a cellphone, violations that sent him into solitary isolation.

"When they take your freedom away and you're locked up in a box, it's the worst," Martinez said. "Being there changed me 360 degrees. Before, I was a walking time bomb . . . I realized God put me in there to turn my life around. I thought about all of that, how the people I thought were my friends weren't friends at all. . . .

"Going to prison is like dying and being able to see your own funeral. You get to see who brings you flowers.

"You know who did? My mom . . . and Steven, he sent me some money. That's who took care of me. I have no more 'friends,' it's just me and my girl, going to the gym every day and then back home."

One recent morning, at an East L.A. gym adorned with a small sign reading, "Champions never take the easy way out," Martinez started his comeback, slamming his fists into a heavy punching bag.

"He still has power in his hands," Montiel said. "He still has it in his heart to become someone, a champion."

Martinez's return to the ring will come at 140 pounds Nov. 1 at the Home Depot Center in Carson.

He's going after what his cousin attained in July 2007, when the 126-pound Luevano traveled to England and fought Nicky Cook. Dolly Luevano didn't have enough money to make the trip, so she stuck to her shift at a Lamps Plus in Upland and told her boss she was expecting a phone call.

The phone rang, and Dolly heard that Luevano had won the title in an 11th-round knockout. "I was so happy I started crying," Dolly said. "Steven had to prove himself to everyone. There were so many who said he'd never make it. Well, he showed them."

"He's done everything the right way," Martinez said. "That's why so many good things have happened."

As for Martinez's comeback plans, Luevano said: "He will be able to do as much as he wants to do."

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I watched Luevano against our own Nicky Cook in London last year. He came over quite late (about five days before), and the promoters stuck him on a London bus and packed him off to "beautiful" Windsor a couple of days before the fight (an exhausting two-hour round trip; the promoters always do this to visiting fighters, simply to tire them out), but Luevano still destroyed Cook in 11 rounds. He looks a solid fighter.
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Rhythm, blues and style

The look was once clean-cut with help from Sam Cooke, Ray Charles and the Temptations. Then it went funky with James Brown and Prince. Now it's polished again, thanks to such stars as Ne-Yo and John L

By Emili Vesilind, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

Sharp-dressed men

Sam Cooke, Fats Domino and Ray Charles helped pave the way for modern rhythm and blues in the 1950s and always dressed the part of the gentleman. Dark suits and tuxedos were de rigueur for performers -- teamed with starched white shirts, pocket squares and skinny ties. With rock 'n' roll on the horizon, the button-down look wouldn't last long.

In the early '60s, Motown groups such as the Temptations and the Miracles kept their images squeaky-clean in matching suits and shiny lace-ups. But by the mid-'60s, James Brown burst onto the scene in flashy metallic suits with wide lapels, polyester jumpsuits and tighter-than-tight trousers. His Medusa-like coif (did he set it with pink foam rollers?), "Shaft" ankle boots and permanent state of sweatiness rendered the Godfather of Soul one of the most recognizable figures in music history.

Sweaters to sweat shirts

Marvin Gaye evolved from a clean-cut, cardigan-wearing crooner in the '50s and '60s to a bearded, war-protesting soul singer in the early 1970s. Tall, lean and handsome, he was made to wear clothes and looked as dashing in a sweat shirt and striped, Afro-inspired knit cap as he did in a suit (or that iconic trench coat). That same decade, cross-dressing disco singer Sylvester pushed the genre's style -- and gender politics -- into new, eye-shadowed realms.

Purple reign vs. King of Pop

Prince took cross-dressing into the mainstream in the 1980s, with his long, curly locks, stiletto boots and ruffle-bibbed shirts (yet he was big on body and facial hair), and made purple the hue of the decade. Meanwhile, Michael Jackson took style back to the '50s in penny loafers, "Grease" biker jackets and high-water pants. And don't forget that lone glittery glove -- co-opted by every tween in the free world.

Bad and baggy

As gangster rap took over the charts in the 1990s, R&B guys toughened up their image with Timberland boots, baggy jeans and diamond-encrusted gold chains. When bad-boy balladeer R. Kelly wasn't strutting around shirtless, he was clad in a skullcap, white tank top and jeans slung low (to flash his boxers). New Edition spinoff Bell Biv DeVoe kept it lighter, mixing gangster-style threads with fedoras, top hats and other quirky accessories.

Smooth operators

The new look of R&B is polished and elegant, and never overtly bling-y (think Patek Philippe watches, not gangster nugget rings). Like Ne-Yo, R&B singer John Legend also boasts a GQ-worthy look, based on classic pieces such as trench coats, collared, button-front shirts, cashmere sweaters and tailored sports jackets. Welcome back, kind gents.

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I live about an hour away from Manchester by car. People (and cats) that live in the city support Manchester City (soccer). Manchester United fans all travel up from upper class London and call themselves 'lifelong' supporters, but it's only because United are doing so well.
Twenty years ago the same toffs all followed Liverpool.
Where do you live Bennie, you cannot be that far from me.
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Art and peace in Mexican prison
Inmates in Chetumal tinker away at furniture, sculptures and other crafts. The prison director says there's been no violence in the facility in a decade.

By Judith Fein, Special to The Los Angeles Times

Douglas used to be a scuba diver, but now he makes furniture. His workshop testified to his genius at reproducing pieces his clients had seen in photos or retail shops: tall, graceful armoires; coffee tables with a satin sheen; chairs and tables crafted from mahogany, cedar, rosewood.

He teaches others his skills, and their works also filled the shop: a cradle waiting to be rocked by loving hands, display cases for high-end stores, desks where bosses would one day preside over meetings.

His students had learned well, but then, they were a captive audience. So, for that matter, was Douglas.

I found the workshop in the southern Yucatán town of Chetumal in the state of Quintana Roo, about half an hour from the Belize border. I immediately recognized the concrete block, the barbed wire, the guard towers and fencing as a prison. I approached the guards and asked whether the facility sold prisoner art.

It did.

Some travelers shop for designer clothes. Others haunt china shops, jewelry stores or load up on cans and jars of exotic foods. My passion is prisons and specifically their art.

As a longtime volunteer in a juvenile detention center, I knew that prisoners were highly creative, in spite of -- or maybe because of -- their surroundings. Art, prose and music provide the escape, albeit mental, they need.

In my peregrinations, I began to visit prisons to ask whether they sold prisoner art. Often they did, and I would buy a piece or two -- Christmas cards, a key chain or an etching on leather -- because I knew what the inmates earned would usually help support their families.

In some prisons, there is contact with the artists and in others, the work is sold in a shop by prison personnel. I have always felt safe and fascinated, rather than fearful.

No violence. Really

At the entrance gate the guards at Chetumal asked for identification, and as I handed over my driver's license, I saw a man standing in the run-down reception area. It was the director, Victor Terrazas Cervera. I told him, in kindergarten Spanish, that I was an American journalist, and he invited me to his office, from which he presides over a medium-security facility with 1,100 inmates in for rape, robbery and murder, among other crimes.

The small office with its large wooden desk was full of cartons of prisoner-made art. When I admired a shiny wooden duck head that rested on a rectangular wooden box, he showed me that the duck's neck was a nutcracker.

"A gift," he said. I thanked him.

When he told me there had been no inmate violence there in a decade, I laughed.

"Really," he said. "You can ask my assistant."

A baby-faced guard in civilian clothes who had entered the room concurred. "No violence," he said. "Nothing."

The director sensed my incredulity.

"Come with me," he said, "and I will take you on a tour."

I followed him and his assistant down the stairs and into a vast open courtyard with grass, plants and trees. The yard was lined with ramshackle buildings and cement pavement that ran through it like a sidewalk through a park. Terrazas and his assistant, both unarmed, walked easily down the path and greeted the inmates.

Men materialized from nowhere, all in street clothes, and introduced themselves to me. A few spoke English and one, Jorge, told me he grew up in New York, as I had, and he certainly had the accent to prove it. The inmates told me they played soccer, had sports teams and studied English. I looked at them skeptically.

"Come on," they said, as they guided me to a library with books in English and Spanish and a bank of computers.

"We can take classes in French and Japanese and IT yes if we want to," a prisoner told me.

Everywhere we walked, every time we turned a corner or headed down another path, inmates appeared, cradling their arts and crafts in their arms and offering them for sale. There were bracelets made from chunky wooden beads, leaping dolphins, crouched frogs and placid turtles sculpted from tropical woods, delicate rosary beads, inlaid jewelry boxes, wooden miniature boats, ballpoint pens encased in colorful bead work. Some of the work was roughly hewn, and some pieces were finely wrought and sophisticated.

Other prisoners circulated, selling visitors and other inmates aromatic food from their native countries -- China, Brazil, South Korea, Spain -- and some of them even maintained booths, as though they were vendors at a street fair.

Prison chic

Jorge whispered to a young man who handed him a purse made of colorful printed shrink wrapping from plastic soda bottles. I had recently seen a bag like this in a chic Paris store for $125.

"How much?" I asked.

"Seventeen dollars," Jorge said. "Or you can pay in pesos."

I bought the bag.

I was carried by the wave of prisoners into a room; there were two massage tables where reiki and Swedish massage were offered by the inmates for a few dollars.

But there was no time to relax because there was more to see. At one studio we saw the works of Alfonso, who made and sold paintings and sculpture. His portrait of Benito Juárez, Mexico's national hero, hung in Terrazas' office. One of his canvases depicted two lemon-yellow jaguars circling each other. He held up a foot-high wooden sculpture of a woman's torso; her face had a look of reverent sorrow, and her long arms reached across her slightly swollen belly.

Elsewhere, inmates worked at wooden looms, maneuvering small shuttles weaving bright swaths of yellow, orange, red, black, blue and purple nylon into high-quality hammocks. Here they sell for $50, half of what they sell for in the U.S.

I followed Terrazas into a two-room area where the walls were adorned with still lifes and portraits and shelves burst with mosaic vases, wooden crucifixes and Ferris wheels fabricated from pieces of scrap metal and soda cans. Plump piñatas and wire mobiles floated from the ceiling. Everything was for sale.

Back home in the U.S., the duck-head nutcracker and the purse are on my coffee table. There's a story in the newspaper about violence in a U.S. prison, and I wonder what would happen if U.S. prisons were run like the one in Chetumal. Would criminality be transformed into creativity?

I smile, I sigh, I hope.

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Boxingnut wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:For my friend Bennie

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I live about an hour away from Manchester by car. People (and cats) that live in the city support Manchester City (soccer). Manchester United fans all travel up from upper class London and call themselves 'lifelong' supporters, but it's only because United are doing so well.
Twenty years ago the same toffs all followed Liverpool.
Where do you live Bennie, you cannot be that far from me.
I live in Wolverhampton, Rob.
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What about Hopkins schooling Pavlik, then? Is worth a mention.
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I live about an hour away from Manchester by car. People (and cats) that live in the city support Manchester City (soccer). Manchester United fans all travel up from upper class London and call themselves 'lifelong' supporters, but it's only because United are doing so well.
Twenty years ago the same toffs all followed Liverpool.[/quote]

Where do you live Bennie, you cannot be that far from me.[/quote]

I live in Wolverhampton, Rob.[/quote]

you about 2 hours (ish) from me then. I live in Liverpool and before you ask I am a blue not a red!!
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bennie wrote:What about Hopkins schooling Pavlik, then? Is worth a mention.
Yeah definitely worth a mention. Entertaining fight too which is unusual for Hopkins as I have found him quite dull in the past. Won me some money too as I had £10 on Hopkins to win on points @ 11/4. :TU:
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Bernard Hopkins rings Kelly Pavlik's bell

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Bernard Hopkins connects with a jab to Kelly Pavlik during their light heavyweight bout Saturday in Atlantic City, N.J. Hopkins won the 12-round bout by decision.
The 43-year-old Philadelphian gives the 26-year-old middleweight champion a boxing lesson in a nontitle bout in Atlantic City, N.J.
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ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- Bernard Hopkins gave Kelly Pavlik a boxing lesson and a first loss that he will never forget.

The 43-year-old Hopkins used lightning-quick combinations and a cagey, near-perfect defense to embarrass and confuse Pavlik in a 12-round non-title light-heavyweight bout Saturday night at Boardwalk Hall.

Hopkins, who dominated the middleweight class for a decade, made the 26-year-old Pavlik -- the WBC and WBO middleweight champion -- look slow and powerless in fighting at 170 pounds, 10 pounds over his weight class.

"I think this was my best performance, better than [Antonio] Tarver, better than [Felix] Trinidad, better than Oscar [De La Hoya], better than my 21 defenses," Hopkins said. "I am extremely happy."

Hopkins received winning scores of 119-106 from judge Alan Rubenstein, 117-109 from Barbara Perez and 118-108 from Steve Weisfeld.

The mismatch was obvious from the opening bell, and Hopkins reveled in the beating he gave the Youngstown, Ohio, boxer. By the fifth round, Pavlik was bleeding from the nose and by the seventh Hopkins, of Philadelphia, was taunting him.

During one stretch in the round, Hopkins landed four or five straight punches, and then stepped back and started winding up on his punches before delivering them.

"He was a great fighter, but I knew my style and quickness was underrated and it was going to give him problems tonight," Hopkins added.

Pavlik (34-1) never stopped stalking Hopkins, but he never seemed to hurt him.

"I just could not get off tonight," Pavlik said. "I don't know why. It was not his slickness. It just wasn't me out there tonight. I couldn't do anything I'm used to doing. We're going back to the drawing board. It just wasn't me tonight. I'll be more comfortable going back to 160."

With tinges of gray in his beard, Hopkins even looked the fresher fighter. He came into ring wearing an executioner's mask and black robe with an X on both, and he ruined Pavlik's perfect record in improving to 49-5-1.

The crowd had come to hail Pavlik, who had battered Gary Lockett in his first title defense in June. When he was in trouble early, they chanted "Kel-lee! Kel-lee!" Halfway through the fight, the chants become "B-Hop! B-Hop!"

Hopkins landed a barrage of blows in the 12th round and started yelling at Pavlik in a move that was no more than a gleeful taunt.

"I wanted to pick it up and step it up," Hopkins said. "I wanted to stop him."

When the final bell sounded, both fighters continued to throw punches, forcing referee Benji Esteves to come between them.

Hopkins then walked over to the television cameras and glared, wondering how so many had predicted that Pavlik would knock him out for the first time in his career.

Hopkins praised Pavlik after the fight.

"I was a fan of yours before the fight and I am a fan of yours now," Hopkins told Pavlik in the corner.

"You just need to get a little more slickness. You need to bend your knees more like your coach was telling you. Middleweight is your destiny."
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Boxingnut wrote:I live about an hour away from Manchester by car. People (and cats) that live in the city support Manchester City (soccer). Manchester United fans all travel up from upper class London and call themselves 'lifelong' supporters, but it's only because United are doing so well.
Twenty years ago the same toffs all followed Liverpool.
Where do you live Bennie, you cannot be that far from me.[/quote]

I live in Wolverhampton, Rob.[/quote]

you about 2 hours (ish) from me then. I live in Liverpool and before you ask I am a blue not a red!![/quote]




I knew you were from Liverpool, Rob, because of the Dick Tiger thing. I went to the Olympia in Liverpool to watch Derry Matthews a couple of years ago. People were saying, of the venue, "what a shithole!" I loved it. I'm from a shithole. :D

PS: Great atmosphere in the Olympia that night, and not a bad seat in the house.
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Snow at Saint Paul's Avenue
Nice shot. It's nice to see a bit of snow these days, given the effects of global warming. I can remember when we were guaranteed snow every winter. Not any more.
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