Marquez-Pacquiao

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 10 May 2004, 05:55

Just got a couple more points on the fight after watching it again.

Did anyone notice the levels of support for the fighters. I can't recall ever seeing a vegas crowd so against a Mexican fighter. Usually they're the "home" fighters, but the crowd was so partisan in favour of Manny it was unbelievable.

The second thing is Pacquiao's suspect chin. Where was it? Marquez caught him with some really beautiful shots in the middle rounds and only once did Manny look hurt, and even then he didn't look anywhere near being stopped. I couldn't believe the way he kept his feet in the 6th. It just makes me wonder how hard the guys who've stopped him hit.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 10 May 2004, 06:03

I expected Pacquiao to shake off the Mexicans best punches and he did.

According to most sources Manny suffered badly from boiling down to make flyweight and it seems clear now that this was the case.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 10 May 2004, 06:04

Yes I was guilty of thinking maybe Manny doesn't hold a shot too well, but after that you can't doubt his punch resistance. He took some huge shots in there - the man's chin is as good as anyones.
How he ever made flyweight I'll never know, but that's obviously the reason he was stopped earlier in his career.
There's no way a flyweight hits harder than Marquez.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 10 May 2004, 12:18

glittermonkey wrote:Just got a couple more points on the fight after watching it again.

Did anyone notice the levels of support for the fighters. I can't recall ever seeing a vegas crowd so against a Mexican fighter. Usually they're the "home" fighters, but the crowd was so partisan in favour of Manny it was unbelievable.

The second thing is Pacquiao's suspect chin. Where was it? Marquez caught him with some really beautiful shots in the middle rounds and only once did Manny look hurt, and even then he didn't look anywhere near being stopped. I couldn't believe the way he kept his feet in the 6th. It just makes me wonder how hard the guys who've stopped him hit.

Pacman got stopped by a bodyshot in the fight were he struggled to make weight. The other time he was going in to finish the other guy off and got caught.

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 10 May 2004, 13:29

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:
glittermonkey wrote:Just got a couple more points on the fight after watching it again.

Did anyone notice the levels of support for the fighters. I can't recall ever seeing a vegas crowd so against a Mexican fighter. Usually they're the "home" fighters, but the crowd was so partisan in favour of Manny it was unbelievable.

The second thing is Pacquiao's suspect chin. Where was it? Marquez caught him with some really beautiful shots in the middle rounds and only once did Manny look hurt, and even then he didn't look anywhere near being stopped. I couldn't believe the way he kept his feet in the 6th. It just makes me wonder how hard the guys who've stopped him hit.

Pacman got stopped by a bodyshot in the fight were he struggled to make weight. The other time he was going in to finish the other guy off and got caught.

Cheers mate. I haven't seen either fight, so could you let me know if he was knocked cold or what. Were the guys who stopped him renowned punchers? Can't really tell by looking at their records, and i must confess my knowledge of flyweights is more than a little sketchy.
I'm starting to sound a little like Kovit, so that's it for the questions.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 10 May 2004, 15:24

mrbassie wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:Frpm Fighnews-

Sunday, May 9 2004

"I just screwed up!" says Clements...

Judge Burt Clements, who controversially scored Manny Pacquiao's three knockdown round 10-7 instead of 10-6, told the Las Vegas Review Journal after the fight that his scoring of the round was an error. "Clearly, it wasn't non-awareness that there were three knockdowns," said Clements. "I just screwed up. I feel badly because I dropped the ball, plainly and simply. You can make a lot of arguments that it was a very close fight, but that's immaterial. The fact is, I dropped the ball." Clements stated he was under the impression the Nevada Commission did not like 10-6 rounds. Had he scored the round 10-6, Manny Pacquiao would today be the WBA/IBF featherweight champion.
LAWSUIT TIME!

Interesting discussion about the 10-7 score in the Current Scene Forum:

http://www.boxrec.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17682

Apparently WBA rules expressly state that 10-7 is the most-lopsided allowable single-round score, unless the local commission's rules contradict this (in which the local rules trump the WBA rules), which is not the case here. In other words, Clements is wrong about being in error - he was actually the one who scored the round correctly. Since the fight result would not be changed if the other 2 judges' cards were changed to have 10-7 first rounds, the draw is correct.

Looking forward to the rematch!

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 10 May 2004, 18:38

Interesting stuff Eric, cheers for clearing that up.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 10 May 2004, 18:40

steve689 wrote:Interesting stuff Eric, cheers for clearing that up.

It was my pleasure, Steve789. ;)

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 10 May 2004, 18:41

Eric the Viking wrote:It was my pleasure, Steve789. ;)

Watch it! Bloody Swedes

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 10 May 2004, 18:45

Norwegian/Californians, if you please, o friend of the mighty Sir Rupert . (Where has SR been these past months, I wonder? Traveling up the mighty Zambezi by inner tube? Trekking across the Antarctic on a silver-plated mutton tray? I'm sure it's something dashingly exciting along those lines, but I do wish he'd let us know what he's been up to.)

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 10 May 2004, 18:48

Well i hear he has been layed up with a heart transplant, third one in fact, his great friend Wilfred donated it to him. With Wilfred being a great deal younger at 96 Rupert felt it was the right way to go. He sends his hello's by the way and says a tray of shortbread and a bottle of highland malt is on it's way to California

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 10 May 2004, 19:08

steve689 wrote:Well i hear he has been layed up with a heart transplant, third one in fact, his great friend Wilfred donated it to him. With Wilfred being a great deal younger at 96 Rupert felt it was the right way to go. He sends his hello's by the way and says a tray of shortbread and a bottle of highland malt is on it's way to California

Pass on my wishes for a speedy recovery, and many thanks in advance for the kind gifts!

p.s.: At the risk of appearing presumptuous, you might let LR know that I prfer single malts, but multiple bottles, rather than the other way 'round. ;)

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 11 May 2004, 02:49

Eric the Viking wrote:Interesting discussion about the 10-7 score in the Current Scene Forum:

http://www.boxrec.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17682

Apparently WBA rules expressly state that 10-7 is the most-lopsided allowable single-round score, unless the local commission's rules contradict this (in which the local rules trump the WBA rules), which is not the case here. In other words, Clements is wrong about being in error - he was actually the one who scored the round correctly. Since the fight result would not be changed if the other 2 judges' cards were changed to have 10-7 first rounds, the draw is correct.

Looking forward to the rematch!

ok but it was a 2 title fight so why would a wba rule take precedence over the ibf rule? whatever that is

J · Post by J » 11 May 2004, 04:33

Am I the only one here who thought when they announced the result, eff me another dodgy decsion to enable a money spinning rematch?

maybe Im just pissed off bout hatton.
Must admit right now Ive had a gutful but know by experience it passes.
Sarmiento was robbed too.