no Anti brigade.Twinkle Toes wrote:I had Calzaghe a comfortable winner against Hopkins, not a stellar performance agreed, but it wasn't anything near a controversial decision in my book.
But no surprises to see the anti brigade carping on and on and on and on and on and on.
I thought it a very hard fight to score, I gave it to Calzaghe by 1 or 2 rounds, but I thought a draw would have been fair. Calzaghe was far from effective against Hopkins, and I do think Hopkins could quite possibly win a rematch.Twinkle Toes wrote:I had Calzaghe a comfortable winner against Hopkins, not a stellar performance agreed, but it wasn't anything near a controversial decision in my book.
But no surprises to see the anti brigade carping on and on and on and on and on and on.
Hopkins will go down in history as a greater fighter than Calzaghe. Just look at their records. Look at the guys they've beaten. Calzaghe has one of the most cynical career records of all-time. He's a great fighter, no doubt, but he didn't start proving anything - on an elite level - until he beat Jeff Lacy. Given Lacy's form since that fight, even that's debatable.fist wrote:Lol this type of of rubbish is laughable. Hopkins got beat, even though he said he would never lose to a white person. Hopkins did what he could to nullify the fight by holding, and holding and holding and cheating. He landed an absolute minority of good punches, which were no where near enough in quantity in order to vene gain a draw. Clazaghe threw and landed much much more. And towrads the end Calzaghe was opening up more and more and having more and more success, good job they do not do 15 rounds these days!Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Thirded, I had Hopkins winning 8-4 plus the KD, Calazage just wasn't landing those flurries, they were useless punches
A lot of bitterness on this forum. Hopkins has five losses on his record and will be remembered for being a limited and very very boring fighter.
Calzaghe will retire undefeated and remembered as someone who fights with their heart and who wants to fight! Unlike Hopkins.
I widely agree, however, I would have to say that prior to the Pavlik fight, Hopkins was fighting extremely boring plodding fights, with very little in the way of aggression, and was nicking fights with potshotting and negating his opponents.Eraserhead wrote:Hopkins will go down in history as a greater fighter than Calzaghe. Just look at their records. Look at the guys they've beaten. Calzaghe has one of the most cynical career records of all-time. He's a great fighter, no doubt, but he didn't start proving anything - on an elite level - until he beat Jeff Lacy. Given Lacy's form since that fight, even that's debatable.fist wrote:Lol this type of of rubbish is laughable. Hopkins got beat, even though he said he would never lose to a white person. Hopkins did what he could to nullify the fight by holding, and holding and holding and cheating. He landed an absolute minority of good punches, which were no where near enough in quantity in order to vene gain a draw. Clazaghe threw and landed much much more. And towrads the end Calzaghe was opening up more and more and having more and more success, good job they do not do 15 rounds these days!Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Thirded, I had Hopkins winning 8-4 plus the KD, Calazage just wasn't landing those flurries, they were useless punches
A lot of bitterness on this forum. Hopkins has five losses on his record and will be remembered for being a limited and very very boring fighter.
Calzaghe will retire undefeated and remembered as someone who fights with their heart and who wants to fight! Unlike Hopkins.
'Very limited and boring fighter'? Wow. Hopkins might be the most complete fighter in the game today. You need to watch more boxing.
I think Hopkins beat Calzaghe first time. I think he'll beat him again if they have a rematch. If the fight happened five years ago it wouldn't even be close.Wrists wrote:Bottom line Joe beat Hopkins on a bad night.
What do we all of a sudden think Hopkins in the space of 7 months turned it around and re-invented himself for Pavlik?
Listen, people go on about Hopkins stopping people from 'fighting their fight' - well for me Calzaghe did that to Hopkins. Pressure, pressure, pressure - yes not pretty but job done. its how Taylor beat Hopkins as well.
Its not rocket science - Calzaghe would beat Hopkins every day of the week just the same as Hopkins would beat Pavlik.
Career wise yes Hopkins has the better resume that there is no doubt.
However when all is said he done he lost to Calzaghe - end of story.
JamesMcdonnell - as much as I think you talk some of the most sense on here for once I think your wrong. Hopkins would never beat Calzaghe
Regards
Wrists
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Good lord there are some dreadfully brainless drones on this forum
The reason Hopkins - Calzaghe 2 wont happen isnt because Calzaghe is scared of losing his "0", or that he's scared of Hopkins amazing technical brillaince or whatever
Its because the 1st fight was an abomination of a spectacle, did horrible ratings on HBO and no one of sound mind has any desire to see it again.
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Good lord there are some dreadfully brainless drones on this forum
The reason Hopkins - Calzaghe 2 wont happen isnt because Calzaghe is scared of losing his "0", or that he's scared of Hopkins amazing technical brillaince or whatever
Its because the 1st fight was an abomination of a spectacle, did horrible ratings on HBO and no one of sound mind has any desire to see it again.
I think Bernard wouldn't need to do a lot more to make it more competitive. He has the handspeed and power, and certainly technical ability to give it a really good go next time around. He tried to pickpocket last time against Joe, but I think he finally realised the judges just weren't buying his shtick after the Taylor fights and then Calzaghe.mugabi wrote:autobarn u are so wrong. Hopkins has much faster hands than joe and in a rematch he would learn from the first time and win.
Unlike pavlik calzaghe also knows how to adapt. Calzaghe is a true champion i dont think he will but he should give bernard a rematch.
Ridiculous assesment. Joe in my book didnt win anything with Hopkins he landed perhaps 12 clean punches. Hopkins has beaten and fough the absolute top competition for 13 years. Joe has only been doing it 2 and a half years.fist wrote:Lol this type of of rubbish is laughable. Hopkins got beat, even though he said he would never lose to a white person. Hopkins did what he could to nullify the fight by holding, and holding and holding and cheating. He landed an absolute minority of good punches, which were no where near enough in quantity in order to vene gain a draw. Clazaghe threw and landed much much more. And towrads the end Calzaghe was opening up more and more and having more and more success, good job they do not do 15 rounds these days!Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Thirded, I had Hopkins winning 8-4 plus the KD, Calazage just wasn't landing those flurries, they were useless punches
A lot of bitterness on this forum. Hopkins has five losses on his record and will be remembered for being a limited and very very boring fighter.
Calzaghe will retire undefeated and remembered as someone who fights with their heart and who wants to fight! Unlike Hopkins.
mugabi wrote:Ridiculous assesment. Joe in my book didnt win anything with Hopkins he landed perhaps 12 clean punches. Hopkins has beaten and fough the absolute top competition for 13 years. Joe has only been doing it 2 and a half years.fist wrote:Lol this type of of rubbish is laughable. Hopkins got beat, even though he said he would never lose to a white person. Hopkins did what he could to nullify the fight by holding, and holding and holding and cheating. He landed an absolute minority of good punches, which were no where near enough in quantity in order to vene gain a draw. Clazaghe threw and landed much much more. And towrads the end Calzaghe was opening up more and more and having more and more success, good job they do not do 15 rounds these days!Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Thirded, I had Hopkins winning 8-4 plus the KD, Calazage just wasn't landing those flurries, they were useless punches
A lot of bitterness on this forum. Hopkins has five losses on his record and will be remembered for being a limited and very very boring fighter.
Calzaghe will retire undefeated and remembered as someone who fights with their heart and who wants to fight! Unlike Hopkins.
Tell me who Hopkins avoided? But I can tell u staright off Calzaghe avoided a reid rematch, glencoffe johnson, sven ottke, and others.
thepocketrocket wrote:Hopkins chose to fight Oscar De La Hoya instead, damn coward!!!
I think all the cancellations against Glen Johnson havnt really helped his argument, plus the fact he had to be led by the hand to fight Lacy who Omar Sheika had exposed as being a plodder..sicknote Calzaghe had zero respect!mark thompson wrote:thepocketrocket wrote:Hopkins chose to fight Oscar De La Hoya instead, damn coward!!!
Thats not the point though is it ? people are always saying Calzaghe didn't fight this guy or that guy in there prime we'll it just shows he wasn't always to blame !!!
which was the reason he wanted to keep those belts and avoid risks.thepocketrocket wrote:Hopkins chose to fight Oscar De La Hoya instead, damn coward!!!
hitman_hatton1 wrote:which was the reason he wanted to keep those belts and avoid risks.thepocketrocket wrote:Hopkins chose to fight Oscar De La Hoya instead, damn coward!!!
so he didn't blow the de la hoya payday.
it paid off for him.
he got millions for that fight didn't he.
Please don't but Sven and Calzaghe in the same bracket !!!!thepocketrocket wrote:Fair play to him..it made sense..on the world stage Calzaghe was a no-mark in the same was Svenny was..good fighters, very good fighters but when compared to names like Tito and Oscar who really cared about Joe?? Even if the date had been set would Joe have gone though with it? He didnt with Johnson, three times!
Thats why Joe should have hit the States, get out of the comfort zone, get the big boys to fight him, he didnt and he will suffer accordingly
Until Tito he hardly set the world alight, losing to Jones (a bloody awful affair) and then beating up on the likes of Daniels, Joppy etc. To be fair to him it's not his fault the division was pretty weak, but that must also be said when we talk about Calzaghe. The only threat in his division he didn't face was Ottke, possibly Beyer. He'd have beaten both of them, and when the time came to take on the two biggest super middle threats of this decade he took them on and beat them - Lacy and Kessler.mugabi wrote:Ridiculous assesment. Joe in my book didnt win anything with Hopkins he landed perhaps 12 clean punches. Hopkins has beaten and fough the absolute top competition for 13 years. Joe has only been doing it 2 and a half years.fist wrote:Lol this type of of rubbish is laughable. Hopkins got beat, even though he said he would never lose to a white person. Hopkins did what he could to nullify the fight by holding, and holding and holding and cheating. He landed an absolute minority of good punches, which were no where near enough in quantity in order to vene gain a draw. Clazaghe threw and landed much much more. And towrads the end Calzaghe was opening up more and more and having more and more success, good job they do not do 15 rounds these days!Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Thirded, I had Hopkins winning 8-4 plus the KD, Calazage just wasn't landing those flurries, they were useless punches
A lot of bitterness on this forum. Hopkins has five losses on his record and will be remembered for being a limited and very very boring fighter.
Calzaghe will retire undefeated and remembered as someone who fights with their heart and who wants to fight! Unlike Hopkins.
Tell me who Hopkins avoided? But I can tell u staright off Calzaghe avoided a reid rematch, glencoffe johnson, sven ottke, and others.
Possibly, but if we're talking prime Joe v prime RJJ I'd go for Jones by wide points victory. He was just sublime.mark thompson wrote:good post captain and RJJ most probably would have beaten JC 10 years ago thats coz RJJ was in his prime then, but Calzaghe wasn't 10 years ago, he has shone in the last 4 years or so, so it's an unfair comparison that people make saying prime for prime because when the likes of RJJ, Bhop and Trinidad and whoever else were in their prime Calzaghe was not, Calzaghe beat a prime Lacy, and Kessler and would have done the same to Pavlik easily had Bhop not done it already .