Shane Cameron leads by example

[Beltane]

The mooted Hoppa versus Shane bout is expected to be on around the same time as a Wallabies versus All Blacks battle in an attempt to feed off the rugby crowd.

Hoppa will have his work cut out for him unless he picks up his ring mobility big time1

[N2 Shape]

Theres many angles which this can be promoted using the AB's VS Wallabies is one way. Australian Heavyweight Champ VS New Zealand Heavyweight Champ is obviously another. The whole trans-tasman thing. Only thing is they'l just be fooling the foolish. Anyone with any sense will see Cameron winning this easily. I do think however Hoppa has the power to keep Shane honest, he's agressive but that plays into Shanes hands. Shane is far more experienced and has fought against more seasonsed expeirenced fighters. Hoppa has one ok win over a well in truly past it Mirovic. Shane has wins over Terry Smith, Jonathan Haggler, Kevin Montiy, Roger Izonritei, Osbourne Machimana.

[Hounddawg]

I agree N2 shape, Hopoate will get schooled.

[Hounddawg]

here let me help you get 4000 posts.

No one on here said Australia was the best boxing country in the world, now your putting words in people' mouth.

I'm glad you Brits are passionate about boxing, because your no good at any other sport ;;-)

Fair point!

Seriously, though, I've got nothing against Australia or Australian boxers. In fact, they're often among the most entertaining to watch.

I do happen to think the Aussie fans overrate their guys, but that's fair enough. It's just that you lot do get very over-protective when somebody doesn't share the view, and that just tempts me to chuck bait.

And I think it's a fair comment for me to point out that "best heavyweight in the South Pacific" is not the world's most glamorous boast, even if my sarcasm rubbed the wrong way!

Congratulations on 4000 posts!
It's good to see you have reason, and your not just here for a shit stir, your comment about the best heavy in the south pacific are correct, no one believe'(well at least i hope so) that we have the best Heavy in the world, but we are proud of what we produce,and we do produce our fair share of world titlists in other divisions so i don't think we overrate our fighters.

[Darkshark]

Theres many angles which this can be promoted using the AB's VS Wallabies is one way. Australian Heavyweight Champ VS New Zealand Heavyweight Champ is obviously another. The whole trans-tasman thing. Only thing is they'l just be fooling the foolish. Anyone with any sense will see Cameron winning this easily. I do think however Hoppa has the power to keep Shane honest, he's agressive but that plays into Shanes hands. Shane is far more experienced and has fought against more seasonsed expeirenced fighters. Hoppa has one ok win over a well in truly past it Mirovic. Shane has wins over Terry Smith, Jonathan Haggler, Kevin Montiy, Roger Izonritei, Osbourne Machimana.

Totally agree that Shane will take Hoppa to school, and they'll get a good number of people watching if it's set up as a lead up to the rugby - Camerons last fight was over minutes before the Warriors last game, and they got over 400k watching in NZ.
Chauncy Welliver is NZ's heavyweight Champ at the moment, how do you guys see him going against Hoppa?

[N2 Shape]

It's smart promoting gotta give them that. Should make alot of money if its done right. Welliver schools Hoppa just as easily, would probably be the better fight because Chauncy aint a big puncher whereas Shane could stop hoppa at any second and with one punch. Welliver VS Hoppa would be a old fashioned brawl but Chauncy has far to much for Hoppa, maybe even a late rounds stoppage.

[Marlin]

Hoppa would have to hope that he can open up a big cut on Shane in the first round...

[Darkshark]

Hoppa would have to hope that he can open up a big cut on Shane in the first round...

It's not of the question that exactly that could happen given Camerons past - but I think it's been alot better since that surgery, it took Smith most of the fight and he was hitting Shane fairly regularly, but if Hoppa did open him up I think Cameron would pour on the pressure for a stoppage - he wouldn't want a repeat of Ahunanya where the cuts got worse and worse.

I'd have to give Chauncy the UD vs. Hoppa, dont think that Chauncy punches as hard as Big Bob (even at this stage in his career) and Bob couldn't put Hoppa away

[N2 Shape]

I think Shane will have to try get Hoppa out of there ASAP. Hoppa is not in his class, but in saying that Shane wont wanna hold Hoppa up to get in some rounds or anything of that nature, given Hoppa can punch it would be too risky as you say a nasty cut or a "lucky" shot from Hoppa could turn things! But i doubt it.

Chauncy wins a UD12 easy, however I threw the late stoppage in as I hear Chauncy has been sitting down on his punches more of late and he's also a busy fighter he'll make Hoppa work hard every round a gassed Hoppa eating clean shots late in a fight.........?

[Marlin]

Lets not forget that Hoppa has only had 12 fights and has never gone 12 rounds, heck, he has never even been scheduled for 12 rounds... Shane Cameron has had 23 fights and had his first 12 rounder scheduled in 2004.

[razor7]

Hoppa's got guts- you've got to give him that.Idon't see any of our other heavyweights lining up to fight Cameron.Cameron will be way too good- mid rounds stoppage.Hoppa's got more chance against Chauncey but would lose on points.

[Brute]

I think Cameron would be too good for Hopoate. He would find Meehan a hard fight.

[buster007]

whether people like hopoate or not he has a punchers chance whether he fights cameron or king kong. he simply has too much power to underestimate.

of course he will lack in the skills department but at least he is one heavyweight who has testicals to match his frame.

it will certainly create plenty of questions should hoppa pull off an upset.

[convict]

Tye Fields anyone?

[jonjon13]

The only reason Hoppa is fighting Shane is for the money and then it will be the end of his career, he is used to a regular contract with football an has found the fight game very tough supporting his huge family, this is the only fight that makes sense because the $ makes sense.
But as far as Shane goes whats happening brother, why are you not going back to America to try and impress again (unlike last time).
Is the money in Nz to good ala Mundine?
Do you think you can be World Champ or is it about the Money?

[funso banjo baby]

nothing has made me laugh like that for a while. Thanks Marlin, thanks 'Geto.

I will be chuckling all through lunch now.

[toppity]

nothing has made me laugh like that for a while. Thanks Marlin, thanks 'Geto.

I will be chuckling all through lunch now.

buggar, now i feel extemely dejected. I've been dissed by a nutbag pom. :P

[Marlin]

I think Cameron would be too good for Hopoate. He would find Meehan a hard fight.

Meehan > Cameron > Hoppa

[oliverfennell]

here let me help you get 4000 posts.

No one on here said Australia was the best boxing country in the world, now your putting words in people' mouth.

I'm glad you Brits are passionate about boxing, because your no good at any other sport ;;-)

Fair point!

Seriously, though, I've got nothing against Australia or Australian boxers. In fact, they're often among the most entertaining to watch.

I do happen to think the Aussie fans overrate their guys, but that's fair enough. It's just that you lot do get very over-protective when somebody doesn't share the view, and that just tempts me to chuck bait.

And I think it's a fair comment for me to point out that "best heavyweight in the South Pacific" is not the world's most glamorous boast, even if my sarcasm rubbed the wrong way!

I think a quote from geto will fit nicely here:

You are correct, I'm thinking about rooting for top UK fighters that aren't hype jobs. You know, people like Khan, Witter, Maccarinelli, Anthony Small, and A-Force. Those guys are all legit prospects and champs. None of them ever lost, and not one of them was hyped up to be better than what they were.................................






:P

Of course us poms are guilty of overhyping our boys too, which is why I said it's fair enough that you lot do too. It's only natural when you're a fan of something. But the mood on the UK board is much different to here i.e. if a foreigner disagrees with us, we don't all pounce on him and say he's a bigot for disagreeing.

And anyway, as for the use of Armageto's quote...

When Australia produces as many Commonwealth (Khan), WBC (Witter), WBO (Maccarinelli) and Olympic (Harrison) champs as the UK, then it will be a valid comparison.

I don't mean to come across as childish by making a "mine is better than yours" argument, but those are the facts, gentlemen.

But then you can take consolation from the fact you guys pummel us at almost every sport...

[Brute]

Only we do? Your Rugby league team needed some inconsistent rulings by the linesmen to get up against New Guinea in the rugby league last night!

[JSA]

well hate to get drawn in to a tit for tat discussion but i will. all i have to suggest to those who suggest the lads on this forum continually overhype etc our fighters i think its a simple case of support for the local lads rather than hyping. and as always the opinion of one will often differ to another. from my reading of the posts i find the kneejerk responses some may attract are due to their seemingly arrogant and dismissive attitudes eg funso. now that may be harsh as it is often difficult to determine the exact tone of someones post due to the nature of the medium being used. BUT it does seem on occasion that basically if you are an Australian fighter you are shit simply because you are an aussie fighter.

as for the whose better than who at boxing. U brits should be a SHITLOAD better-look at the number of amateur and pro fighters u have compared to us. Boxing is far more popular i believe in the UK and i hate to say seemingly more professional. to rate the "boxing industry" of country v country it would be fair i think to say that usa better than uk better than aus.all comes down to numbers and organisation.

BUT i will say nearly all our fighters(mundine excluded) nearly always come to fight and go hard.they might lose but give it their all. Hussein Hussein,Katsidis,Green are examples. You want a good honest fighter-get an Aussie. May not all be world beaters but they come to fight and give value for money. Its a shame that one particualr fighter we have that has soooo much talent and potential chooses to fight scrubs and make lots of money doing it-quite Mundane and unaussie if u ask me.

and finally there is that great hope factor. because we have so few fighters i think many here often get behind the aussie fighters quite feverishly because when one does get to the top echelon its not that often so perhaps that fever can be misinterpreted as bias etc. however if the posts that are made are actually fully read then i think most aussie posters are quite balanced in what they say.and i find the posters here would rate a great/give it their all losing performance than a pissweak victory over some totally overmatched scrub(even if it is for a title.)

[N2 Shape]

Looks like Cameron VS Tua is on after Camero takes care of Hoppa in Feb. Date looks like it could be set for April

[oliverfennell]

well hate to get drawn in to a tit for tat discussion but i will. all i have to suggest to those who suggest the lads on this forum continually overhype etc our fighters i think its a simple case of support for the local lads rather than hyping. and as always the opinion of one will often differ to another. from my reading of the posts i find the kneejerk responses some may attract are due to their seemingly arrogant and dismissive attitudes eg funso. now that may be harsh as it is often difficult to determine the exact tone of someones post due to the nature of the medium being used. BUT it does seem on occasion that basically if you are an Australian fighter you are shit simply because you are an aussie fighter.

as for the whose better than who at boxing. U brits should be a SHITLOAD better-look at the number of amateur and pro fighters u have compared to us. Boxing is far more popular i believe in the UK and i hate to say seemingly more professional. to rate the "boxing industry" of country v country it would be fair i think to say that usa better than uk better than aus.all comes down to numbers and organisation.

BUT i will say nearly all our fighters(mundine excluded) nearly always come to fight and go hard.they might lose but give it their all. Hussein Hussein,Katsidis,Green are examples. You want a good honest fighter-get an Aussie. May not all be world beaters but they come to fight and give value for money. Its a shame that one particualr fighter we have that has soooo much talent and potential chooses to fight scrubs and make lots of money doing it-quite Mundane and unaussie if u ask me.

and finally there is that great hope factor. because we have so few fighters i think many here often get behind the aussie fighters quite feverishly because when one does get to the top echelon its not that often so perhaps that fever can be misinterpreted as bias etc. however if the posts that are made are actually fully read then i think most aussie posters are quite balanced in what they say.and i find the posters here would rate a great/give it their all losing performance than a pissweak victory over some totally overmatched scrub(even if it is for a title.)

Excellent post, JSA.

I actually sympathise with the plight of the Aussie boxer/boxing fan. A developed country with a first-class sporting tradition but with negligible investment in boxing... and that's what it's down to: INVESTMENT. With the infrastructure, facilities and ethnic mix available in Australia, there's no good reason why the country shouldn't turn out more world class boxers. It's just that boxing is not seen to be a popular sport, so nobody wants to invest seriously in it. And yet, it is only unpopular BECAUSE of the lack of investment. The likes of Mundine and Green prove boxing IS popular when marketed right, but nobody seems to "get it". How Mike Katsidis isn't a superstar is just beyond me...

As for the support/bias... of course I understand all that. You've had Billy "the next Naz" Dib, we've had Amir "the next Naz" Khan! If you lot simply rooted for your guys, even if you wildly overrated them, then there would be no gripe. It's just that it seems the guys here have no time for an alternative opinion.

When you've got people picking Meehan (who's NEVER beaten a world class opponent) comfortably over the undisputed world cruiserweight champ, and then shouting down anyone who disagrees, it does sour the mood and invite us "visitors" to take pops of their own.

So, in conclusion, once again I will say I've got nothing against Australia and Australian fighters. I LIKE Meehan and Katsidis, for example, and root for them, but I can look at them with impartiality and say they're not world class. So shoot me.

[toppity]

^^ fair enough oliver. However i don't think any opinion here is not listened to. As JSA put it so well, it's not what's being said, it's how it's being said. The more the merrier here for mine, and for the few that know my posting style, i like diverse opinion. But the tone of some posts suggest arrogance. Perhaps i misconstrue the intent, but i am interested to note Banjo's comment on another thread about FBB. I rate Banjo as a poster so his take is interesting. Perhaps we can move on now?

[JSA]

Hey Oliver.good reply and certainly no suggestion of arrogance at you. a bit of pot stirring no doubt but alls good.Funso been my main target withh regards to arrogance.
your point with regards to investment is utterly correct. for a while when the mundine/green thing was on it was like BOXING IS BACK.huuge media interest etc. that has sadly dropped off significantly and with Mundine continually doing his best to make boxing look crap then it is a sad state indeed. and when we do get a sniff of more exposure-like the free to air tellie thing that was gonna happen the bloke involved with it then gets done for drug importation and thhe whole lot is shotgunned.

It is very sad Katsidis,despite his limitations is not more of a star. For that matter Vic Darch as well.the list goes on. disgusting really. On the subject of Katsidis-dont think he is gonna get to number 1 and stay there but geez i think he would do so much better with a new corner-thhink those guys just prove the point of there being a big gulf in the general level of the sport here. not bagging them just saying they are not at the elite level.they have taken Katsidis so far but are not the ones to milk the last 5-10% of talent he has or teach him that extra little bit so that he could ,just possibly,go up a level.

as for meehan-i just like the guy.certainly wouldnt dismiss him totally vs Haye duue to Hhayes chhin and.BUT can certainly see where you are coming from. Think Haye is good for boxing.

so no,wont be any gunfire Oliver. christ the ashes arent that far away.gotta have someone to heckle when that times comes(oh dear how i could regret those words.)thinking positively though could a moderator please provide a smilie with a chap in union jack boxer shhorts and cricket pads getting whacked on the head with a cricket bat,

Toppitys right -lets move on.