Who next for Haye?

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 13 May 2004, 06:54

Realistically, who next for David Haye?

Does he go for the British or Commonwealth titles? Does he go to America? What do you think would be in the best interests of David's ever improving career?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 May 2004, 07:00

Well, I don't think Haye should be moving on quite that quickly. Williams was expected to test, but Haye never allowed that to happen. However, Haye still needs to go through a good couple of hard rounds before moving up the ladder that much.

I think he should be looking at a Swaby or a Scott (maybe both) before stepping up to challenge Hobson maybe at the end of this year.

If successful he maybe he'd like to win the lonsdale for keeps (maybe against a Norton, Swaby/Scott (which ever one he hasn't fought) and then Thompson).

I think we should be looking at the earliest September 2005 for a world title.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 13 May 2004, 07:02

I just wanted to know what people thought.

I too think there is no need to rush. He can fight 'good' opponents without going for the big alphabet belts. Experience is what he needs. A few long and tough fights to condition him.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 May 2004, 07:04

jeej wrote:I just wanted to know what people thought.

I too think there is no need to rush. He can fight 'good' opponents without going for the big alphabet belts. Experience is what he needs. A few long and tough fights to condition him.

Would you think Swaby and Scott are Satisfactory opponents, jeej?

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 13 May 2004, 07:13

stujones wrote:Well, I don't think Haye should be moving on quite that quickly. Williams was expected to test, but Haye never allowed that to happen. However, Haye still needs to go through a good couple of hard rounds before moving up the ladder that much.

I think he should be looking at a Swaby or a Scott (maybe both) before stepping up to challenge Hobson maybe at the end of this year.

If successful he maybe he'd like to win the lonsdale for keeps (maybe against a Norton, Swaby/Scott (which ever one he hasn't fought) and then Thompson).

I think we should be looking at the earliest September 2005 for a world title.

I think you are spot on.

I think swaby would give him a tougher fight than Scott, who IMO is shot.

I think he beats Norton and providing he doesnt get careless, Thompson too.

I think he should also be looking at guys like Ezra Sellers by the end of this year.

I couldnt really tell much from the fight with Williams, who looked like he was walking through treacle.

I spoke to Vince Phillips before and after the fight, we both though Haye would get KO'd - How wrong we were.

After we agreed that Williams didnt put up any kind of a fight whatsoever.

Fair play to Haye for taking the fight, he didnt know Williams would turn out a damp squib.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 13 May 2004, 07:14

Enzo took Swaby out in 3 and Hobson beat him over 10 on points. But he's had plenty of experience, could be a good fight for Haye, another half decent British name on his list.

Enzo took Scott out in 4, but Scott has been in a few different title fights and been around longer then Swaby. He would be a good opponent for David Haye.

I'd think maybe Scott would be better for David then Swaby, but both would provide good experience.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 May 2004, 07:16

jeej wrote:Enzo took Swaby out in 3 and Hobson beat him over 10 on points. But he's had plenty of experience, could be a good fight for Haye, another half decent British name on his list.

Enzo took Scott out in 4, but Scott has been in a few different title fights and been around longer then Swaby. He would be a good opponent for David Haye.

I'd think maybe Scott would be better for David then Swaby, but both would provide good experience.

Swaby took Enzo out!!!!!!, not the other way around.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 13 May 2004, 07:18

stujones wrote:
jeej wrote:Enzo took Swaby out in 3 and Hobson beat him over 10 on points. But he's had plenty of experience, could be a good fight for Haye, another half decent British name on his list.

Enzo took Scott out in 4, but Scott has been in a few different title fights and been around longer then Swaby. He would be a good opponent for David Haye.

I'd think maybe Scott would be better for David then Swaby, but both would provide good experience.
Swaby took Enzo out!!!!!!, not the other way around.

Sorry mate, I'm trying to work in between posting on here, going mental!

Next time I'll proof read what I've typed before I hit 'submit'!

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 13 May 2004, 08:27

Scott, Hobson and Enzo all have suspect chins so whilst they are good opponents from a record padding point of view, Swaby holds a shot much better and is a lot harder to tag sso would be a much better learning fight for Haye

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 May 2004, 12:17

knockout wrote:Scott, Hobson and Enzo all have suspect chins so whilst they are good opponents from a record padding point of view, Swaby holds a shot much better and is a lot harder to tag sso would be a much better learning fight for Haye

I don't think Scott has a particularly suspect chin, he get caught by a beauty from Enzo (a shot that ANYBODY would gone down from). He went the distance with Nelson.

Hobson has a frail look about him, but he lasted well against a respectable puncher like Norton.

tea · Post by **tea** » 13 May 2004, 12:45

stujones wrote:
knockout wrote:Scott, Hobson and Enzo all have suspect chins so whilst they are good opponents from a record padding point of view, Swaby holds a shot much better and is a lot harder to tag sso would be a much better learning fight for Haye
I don't think Scott has a particularly suspect chin, he get caught by a beauty from Enzo (a shot that ANYBODY would gone down from). He went the distance with Nelson.

Hobson has a frail look about him, but he lasted well against a respectable puncher like Norton.

and Rothman,Swaby,Arslan.............Hobson looks very solid these days and fights Swaby in two weeks.
Swaby has only got the loss to Hobson in the last 38 months Don't forget Hobson was pulled out in the 10th round against Rothman with a closed and cut eye and was only 23 yrs old! Firat Arslan drew with Tokarev and Tokarev won every round against Arthur Williams in Williams last fight,Hobson was 7 rounds ahead against Arslan,then was stopped on a cut from a so called accidental clash of heads.
THAT'S GOOD FORM...................NOT FIGHTING DINOSAURS.

HOBSON v SWABY 27TH MAY 2004
Hobson TKO 8-10

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 13 May 2004, 14:47

I think most of Haye's opponents have been tentative and afraid of him. It must be pretty intimadating to fight someone who's as fast as Haye and you know can bang.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 15 May 2004, 05:12

I don't think a fight with Swaby is a forward step now, and the likes of Hobson, Scott, and Enzo would prove a nightmare to make, because of the promoters involved, although I wouldn't mind seeing him in with Scott, and have pimped this match up before now.

On a wider scale. I think Jorge Castro would be an ideal opponent. He doesn't get stretched very often, and has been in with some quality operaters.

Of course the British boxing board of control could put a spanner in the works for this match, because I am sure Maccarinelli was going to fight Castro, but the board blocked it.

But if it can be approved I would go for Castro, and then fight Thompson when he finishes his ban.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 15 May 2004, 05:31

I just feel Haye should head for the US now, and continue fighting US opposition.

Why waste his time here fighting domestic "rivals"? There is nobody here to challenge him. Swaby & Hobson? Don't be daft ... he'd KO them both inside of 4 rounds.

The guy is a rolls royce in comparison to the other domestic cruiserweights. Haye needs a trip across the pond.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 15 May 2004, 05:59

Loftgroov wrote:I just feel Haye should head for the US now, and continue fighting US opposition.

Why waste his time here fighting domestic "rivals"? There is nobody here to challenge him. Swaby & Hobson? Don't be daft ... he'd KO them both inside of 4 rounds.

The guy is a rolls royce in comparison to the other domestic cruiserweights. Haye needs a trip across the pond.

I couldn't agree more, though I do think he should fight Thompson at least.

It'd be cool if he could come on here (ahem, journos, hint hint), I know he used to post at Eastside sometimes until people started being arseholes; we're a more mature bunch overall.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 15 May 2004, 08:47

Twinkle Toes wrote:On a wider scale. I think Jorge Castro would be an ideal opponent. He doesn't get stretched very often, and has been in with some quality operaters.

lol, just about to suggest him myself. He would be ideal as you say. Probably still in the world's top 15 or so, and despite losing 10 times, has only been stopped once, late by world class Juan Carlos Gomez.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 15 May 2004, 08:54

adamiw wrote:
Twinkle Toes wrote:On a wider scale. I think Jorge Castro would be an ideal opponent. He doesn't get stretched very often, and has been in with some quality operaters.
lol, just about to suggest him myself. He would be ideal as you say. Probably still in the world's top 15 or so, and despite losing 10 times, has only been stopped once, late by world class Juan Carlos Gomez.

the board turned him down for enzo macc match, so i wounder if they will say yes for haye

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 15 May 2004, 08:56

REAL_DEAL wrote:
adamiw wrote:
Twinkle Toes wrote:On a wider scale. I think Jorge Castro would be an ideal opponent. He doesn't get stretched very often, and has been in with some quality operaters.
lol, just about to suggest him myself. He would be ideal as you say. Probably still in the world's top 15 or so, and despite losing 10 times, has only been stopped once, late by world class Juan Carlos Gomez.
the board turned him down for enzo macc match, so i wounder if they will say yes for haye

good point. What was the exact reason, surely not because he wasn't good enough? has he got a permanent injury or something?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 May 2004, 08:58

adamiw wrote:
REAL_DEAL wrote:
adamiw wrote: lol, just about to suggest him myself. He would be ideal as you say. Probably still in the world's top 15 or so, and despite losing 10 times, has only been stopped once, late by world class Juan Carlos Gomez.
the board turned him down for enzo macc match, so i wounder if they will say yes for haye
good point. What was the exact reason, surely not because he wasn't good enough? has he got a permanent injury or something?

I believe they cited his last world title fight as an indication that he wasn't competitive. Apparently, he was doing a lot of fooling around and surviving.

Note, it was a world title fight.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 15 May 2004, 09:02

stujones wrote:
adamiw wrote:
REAL_DEAL wrote: the board turned him down for enzo macc match, so i wounder if they will say yes for haye
good point. What was the exact reason, surely not because he wasn't good enough? has he got a permanent injury or something?
I believe they cited his last world title fight as an indication that he wasn't competitive. Apparently, he was doing a lot of fooling around and surviving.

Note, it was a world title fight.

Well he's had 4 straight wins so maybe they might think differently. But it makes me wonder how they dont allow someone of Castro's calibre to come over, but repeatedly let Kevin Mitchell fight guys who have never won.