Do you think we will be any closer to finding out who will be the #1 Light Middle in the country by the end of the year. If so, who do you think it will be.
Do you think Richard Williams will comeback and demonstrate that Martinez is simply too good for every domestic fight. What about Jamie Moore? Michael Jones? Takaloo? McDonough? What about the former European champion Alexander now languishing near the bottom of the top ten.
Or will one of the more fringe condentors come through - Eastman?, Facey? etc.
Any thoughts.
Personally I don't think we will be any closer, I still think Jamie Moore will remain undefeated but wouldn't have fought Richard Williams.
Light Middles.
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DG.
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Re: Light Middles.
stujones wrote:Do you think we will be any closer to finding out who will be the #1 Light Middle in the country by the end of the year. If so, who do you think it will be.
Do you think Richard Williams will comeback and demonstrate that Martinez is simply too good for every domestic fight. What about Jamie Moore? Michael Jones? Takaloo? McDonough? What about the former European champion Alexander now languishing near the bottom of the top ten.
Or will one of the more fringe condentors come through - Eastman?, Facey? etc.
Any thoughts.
Personally I don't think we will be any closer, I still think Jamie Moore will remain undefeated but wouldn't have fought Richard Williams.
Martinez is a top class fighter and RW will be able to compete wih anyone imo.
RW is the best we got - JM has question marks over him imo.
Lets see our top 2 go toward the European title and then get one of the many real world belts out there !
Still good fights out there... Takis mediocre but can fight against less skilful fighters.. I hope WA comes back on good form..
Really it is ( despite recent results ).
1) RW
2) JM
3) TAK
4) WA
5) G.Eastman
the rest ?..
Re: Light Middles.
I think you are really riding on the Eastman name with that list, Eastman has come unstuck twice in his comeback.DG. wrote:stujones wrote:Do you think we will be any closer to finding out who will be the #1 Light Middle in the country by the end of the year. If so, who do you think it will be.
Do you think Richard Williams will comeback and demonstrate that Martinez is simply too good for every domestic fight. What about Jamie Moore? Michael Jones? Takaloo? McDonough? What about the former European champion Alexander now languishing near the bottom of the top ten.
Or will one of the more fringe condentors come through - Eastman?, Facey? etc.
Any thoughts.
Personally I don't think we will be any closer, I still think Jamie Moore will remain undefeated but wouldn't have fought Richard Williams.
Martinez is a top class fighter and RW will be able to compete wih anyone imo.
RW is the best we got - JM has question marks over him imo.
Lets see our top 2 go toward the European title and then get one of the many real world belts out there !
Still good fights out there... Takis mediocre but can fight against less skilful fighters.. I hope WA comes back on good form..
Really it is ( despite recent results ).
1) RW
2) JM
3) TAK
4) WA
5) G.Eastman
the rest ?..
I would say Andrew Facey, Michael Jones and maybe Darren Rhodes beats him every time.
Its a shame because he certainly was the more talented brother early in their career, his heart is not quite in it anymore.
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jamesmcdonnell
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They are still the same, but I just think its the case of Sky hyping them up. They were never fringe world class opperators. Tak lost comfortably vs Santos, almost getting stopped (by a builked up light punching Welter) in the last.jamesmcdonnell wrote:The light middleweight division has proved to be such a dissapointment.
A couple of years ago we had some fringe world class operators, almost all have gone by the wayside.
They were never tested at true world class, and sky over hyped them - it was apparent that they were not world class.
However, I think Sky were correct in the hyping of Hatton, Magee and Witter (these are world class). Also, the Super Bantams (Brodie, Oliver and Mullings). If it wasn't for bad luck (or a loss of form) these 6 fighters wouldn't have looked silly at all in world title fights, and it would have been nice to have seen all British geniune world title matches (and 50:50 ones at that).
The Light Middles should have fought each other years ago, cause none of them were going to make the final grade.
agree mostly there Stu thouhi do think Williams was fringe world class certainly the best of the bunch, I also think Martinez is vastly underated and would beat Santos comfortably.
Winky is a bit of a different proposition but if Martinez beat Santos then why not, be a good fight I reckon, (Winky UD)
Winky is a bit of a different proposition but if Martinez beat Santos then why not, be a good fight I reckon, (Winky UD)
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jamesmcdonnell
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Well, I think there is a lesson to be learned by the British promoters here.
2 years ago, these fighters were hyped up and their names on everyone's lips. At that time, you could have added Lockett and Farnell to that list too.
There was a massive opportunity to put together big domestic fights. The demand was there. They would have been huge fights.
But no, the fighters were "protected". So, they all end up losing to other fighters. The stock of Lockett, Alexander, Tak, Williams and Farnell(even though his stock was PURELY SN hype) have all gone down since. (with Locket + Farnell moving up division to save their careers).
So by not making the big matches when they had the chance, who wins?
The fighters lose out on the pay day.
The promotors lose out on the pay day.
The TV channels lose out on the viewing figures.
The British Fans lose out on the quality/popular fights.
Everyone's a loser. No one has gained anything. The fighters have all lost unexpectedly anyway so the "protection" came to nothing.
Moral of this story: Make the big fights when you can because if you wait 18 months, the big fights may simply not be there.
2 years ago, these fighters were hyped up and their names on everyone's lips. At that time, you could have added Lockett and Farnell to that list too.
There was a massive opportunity to put together big domestic fights. The demand was there. They would have been huge fights.
But no, the fighters were "protected". So, they all end up losing to other fighters. The stock of Lockett, Alexander, Tak, Williams and Farnell(even though his stock was PURELY SN hype) have all gone down since. (with Locket + Farnell moving up division to save their careers).
So by not making the big matches when they had the chance, who wins?
The fighters lose out on the pay day.
The promotors lose out on the pay day.
The TV channels lose out on the viewing figures.
The British Fans lose out on the quality/popular fights.
Everyone's a loser. No one has gained anything. The fighters have all lost unexpectedly anyway so the "protection" came to nothing.
Moral of this story: Make the big fights when you can because if you wait 18 months, the big fights may simply not be there.
I still think Ryan is probably better of at Middle now, I know he intends to fight at Light Middle, but I can't remember seeing him at the weight recently.Kieran wrote:Ryan Rhodes should feature on this list.
I suspect Patrick Maxwell would also have something to say, if you include the likes of Facey and Darren Rhodes.
Similarly, I don't think (although I could be mistaken) that Patrick Maxwell has a British passport, could little fighter but should he be included?
The sad thing is that I think it's possible that had the top domestic guys squared off against each other 24 months ago the last man standing could have been a genuine force on the world scene having come through some tough fights and being the better for it.
Like our Middleweights of the late seventies/early eighties, or even Honeygan after overcoming Mittee and Gilpin, emerging as the victor from a series of domestic scraps could have given the top man a real competative harder edge and they possibly could have caused some waves.
But oh no, they stagnated, fights never got made and we are left with mainly a bunch of shot(ish) fighters with little confidence.
And I lay the blame squarely at the doorstep of Fwankie Wanker. In his greed he is remarkably short-sighted rarely thinking of laying down foundations to ensure his income for the next 20 years, always seeming to be thinking about the next few quid.
Like our Middleweights of the late seventies/early eighties, or even Honeygan after overcoming Mittee and Gilpin, emerging as the victor from a series of domestic scraps could have given the top man a real competative harder edge and they possibly could have caused some waves.
But oh no, they stagnated, fights never got made and we are left with mainly a bunch of shot(ish) fighters with little confidence.
And I lay the blame squarely at the doorstep of Fwankie Wanker. In his greed he is remarkably short-sighted rarely thinking of laying down foundations to ensure his income for the next 20 years, always seeming to be thinking about the next few quid.
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The REAL McCoy
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Re: Light Middles.
McCoy doesnt think that we are any closer to seeing these fights, but hopes to be proven wrongstujones wrote:Do you think we will be any closer to finding out who will be the #1 Light Middle in the country by the end of the year. If so, who do you think it will be.
Do you think Richard Williams will comeback and demonstrate that Martinez is simply too good for every domestic fight. What about Jamie Moore? Michael Jones? Takaloo? McDonough? What about the former European champion Alexander now languishing near the bottom of the top ten.
Or will one of the more fringe condentors come through - Eastman?, Facey? etc.
Any thoughts.
Personally I don't think we will be any closer, I still think Jamie Moore will remain undefeated but wouldn't have fought Richard Williams.
Takaloo is the best in McCoys big humble opinion, & although he lost recently he put on a decent performance against Daniel Santos
None of the other british light-middles have fought anyone ranked as highly as the aforementioned Daniel Santos
If Takaloo could Takalook at himself & analyze whats went wrong in his career so far, he could still win a european title
many thought Richard Williams was world class, but the secrets out, he aint. McCoy wonder just how much those martinez beatings have taken out of Richard?
Jamie Moore looked very good for most of his career, but the Scott Dixon fight always makes you wonder, & Jamie was Moore or less pretty poor in his last outing
Wayne Alexander would always have a chance of beating all of the brit light-middles because of his undoubted power, but you always worry about his chinny chin chin
So, if they all fought each other McCoy predicts Takaloo to come out on top but wouldnt bet on it as there is not a great deal between them
Who knows, maybe some of the other guys you mentioned will go on to dominate domestically at light middleweight Stu
I don't think anyone does. The boys have missed the boat.Goz wrote:The other point I meant to make is that regarding Takaloo-Alexander-Williams-Roberts whoever facing each other, I don't care anymore.
These could have been big fights had the opportunity been seized.
Short-sightedness in the extreme by the usual suspect
