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bennie wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Anybody else on here a little worried about Frank? He's on here all the time (unless he's off fishing), but I don't think he's posted anything since yesterday morning. I hope he got his diabetes under control.
Frankie has been online much of the day. Funny, I didn't think anything of it, but you are right, Ray, it's not a great sign.
I agree. Frank, let us know if you are doing okay. We're praying you're feeling better.

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Bennie, this is a more current photo. It was taken exactly one year ago. Also in the photo are my daughters, mother and granddaughters.

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Randyman wrote:Bennie, this is a more current photo. It was taken exactly one year ago. Also in the photo are my daughters, mother and granddaughters.

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Beautiful pic, Randy. :TU:
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Junior Witter returns on the Williams-Sosnowski card tomorrow night at York Hall against Argentina's Victor Hugo Castro, scheduled for 10 rounds.
The Bradford switch-hitter was closely outscored in his last fight in May in Nottingham by Californian surprise package Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley, a defeat which cost him the coveted WBC light-welterweight title. Witter is now 34 (pushing 35) but still looked pretty good against the unbeaten Bradley. The quickness of the challenger cost Witter more than any obvious physical deterioration. Bradley dropped the Yorkshireman with a big overhand right in the sixth round and that proved the difference in the end. One judge had Witter winning by three rounds while the others gave it to Bradley by 114-113 and 115-113.
Since then, Witter has sparred Jon Thaxton for the latter's big European title win over Juan Carlos Diaz Melero - and certainly sharpened up the Thetford man. He needs to look sharp himself tomorrow, given promoter Mick Hennessy's new deal with ITV. His opponent is a bit of a mystery but Witter's style will prove just as mysterious - and more. The 33-year-old Castro, 29-4 (12), has been fighting at six-round level of late and unless he gets in and out before those heavy counterpunches of Witter's find their target (as Bradley got in and out, and thus solved the age-old mystery that is Witter's style), there can only be one winner.
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Hey, guys, I called Frank this morning to checkup on him. He's having problems with his diabetes, and just hasn't felt like posting anything. But he's still breathing air and taking nourishment, so that's good news. :TU:

We'll all keep him in our thoughts and prayers, I'm sure.
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Guys, I want to thank you for voicing your concern on my well-being and Tom, thanks for calling.

The photo and caption below explains how I been feeling lately

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It was a wonderful life for Rudy Lugo

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Rudy Lugo, a 1965 graduate of Canoga Park High, coached his son, Christopher, who is now an assistant coach with the team.

Canoga Park's Lugo, who died of lung cancer at age 60, touched many in the city during his decades at the high school.

By Bill Plaschke
LATimes

Poor Rudy Lugo.

For nearly 40 years he coached on a football team that never sent a player to the NFL, never brought him a national honor, never even gave him a parking space.

Rudy Lugo dies at 60; longtime football, wrestling coach at Canoga Park High
For nearly 40 years he worked in an office with bars over the windows, lived in a home where kids trampled the lawn, hung out at a church where he prayed in darkness.

Poor Rudy Lugo.

As the head coach at perennially modest Canoga Park High in a cluttered corner of the San Fernando Valley, he lived a life as regionally invisible as the greasy garages and doughnut shops that surrounded him.

He was on television once. He made the headlines never. He earned a $3,500 stipend for teaching kids to play a sport that most of them would never play again, in a city that would never make any of them famous.

Poor Rudy Lugo.

He died of cancer two weeks ago, and Canoga Park will never be the same.

"It wasn't like the town lost just another person," former player Ricardo Hernandez said. "It was like we lost a member of our family."

At his funeral, mourners spilled out of Our Lady of the Valley Church and huddled on the front lawn watching monitors.

After the service, when the hearse drove Lugo around the Canoga Park High football field for the last time, dozens of players and fans rushed back to salute him.

At the school, students randomly hung signs on hallways and doorways, teenage writings filled with honor and angst.

"Rudy was much more than a coach," one read. "He was a man who dedicated his life to us kids."

In the downtown streets of this 70,000-person suburb, folks stepped out of thrift shops and bakeries to remember him.

"Best coach and teacher ever," said Felisha Ibarra, who works at a wireless store adjacent to a sidewalk plaque dedicated to Lugo. "It's like everybody around here has been affected by him in some way."

For the two weeks since his death, "Mr. Canoga's" booming voice has not been silenced, but replaced by those who speak in his honor.

Listen to the sobbing middle-aged construction worker who, while spending one football season in a juvenile detention center, received an inspirational letter from Lugo that he still holds today.

"We knew our father touched a lot of people," said his daughter Melissa. "But to actually see all this . . . we had no idea."

Listen to the former player whose struggling family always managed to scrape together a last-second Thanksgiving dinner.

"Years later, my mother finally admitted to me that Coach Lugo gave us those dinners," Hernandez said. "When I say that many of us lost a family member, I meant that many of us lost another father."

Tonight, when the Canoga Park Hunters host Grant High, those voices will join together in unison when dozens of Lugo's former players -- Lugo's Legends, they are called -- will march on to a field that will be named in his honor.

Extra bleachers have been ordered. Boxes of tissues are being purchased. The coach who spent his life in Southland anonymity will be remembered by what is expected to be the largest crowd in Canoga Park High history.

Poor Rudy Lugo.

The richest man in town.

He never left

Who knew this was still possible?

Who knew a person could still change the landscape of this great sprawling city without ever leaving his neighborhood? Who knew that one could touch so many with such a humble reach?

Shortly before his death at age 60 after a two-year battle with lung cancer -- he never smoked -- Rudy Lugo learned of the plans to honor him. Somehow he knew he would never be alive to attend, so he called his son to his bedside.

"Who would have thought that when I first stepped on that field as an assistant coach in 1969, they would one day name it after me?" he told his son Christopher. "How does this happen?"

It happens with consistency.

From the time he enrolled as Canoga Park High as a spunky little lineman, through his 17 years as an assistant coach and 21 years as a head coach, Lugo was always there.

Coach, teacher, parent, friend, from his first Spanish class at 8 a.m. until his last adult English class at 10 p.m.

"He only went three places in his life," Christopher said. "School, home and church."

He wore coaching shorts, a collared coaching shirt, a Canoga cap tugged low on his shock of black hair, a whistle and keys forever around his neck, a fixture as solid and unwavering as those hills to the north.

"You always knew where to find him," said Lori Thomas, the school's athletic director who was once his student. "And you always knew he would listen."

It also happens with integrity.

Lugo never once recruited an athlete from a different school, even as many of his town's great athletes were being wooed away from his program by unscrupulous opponents.

"He always said he would play with the players God gave him," said Ivan Moreno, the school's current coach.

He also never went to bed without phoning and apologizing to any player he had earlier scolded on the football field.

Finally, it happens with strength.

Lugo did not need a spotlight to validate him, or a job offer to complete him, or even a raise to energize him. He

was strong enough to know that helping the weakest among us -- our children -- was enough.

Less than two years before his death, he lost his wife to pneumonia, he lost his father to a stroke, he lost his hair to chemotherapy, he eventually lost his job to the illness,

yet he still welcomed current and former students to his modest house for help and advice.

That house, incidentally, underwent an exterior makeover by those former students while Lugo was sick, a two-week volunteer effort filled with fresh paint and new grass and affection.

"I have been blessed to be so loved," Rudy Lugo said shortly before his death, the richest man in town.

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kikibalt wrote:Guys, I want to thank you for voicing your concern on my well-being and Tom, thanks for calling.

The photo and caption below explains how I been feeling lately

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Good to see you back on here today Frank. I was going to call you myself. That photo sums it up pretty good. Get your rest my friend. I'm not sure if I mentioned to you or not, but I'm diabetic as well, so I understand.

Randy :TU:
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Bennie, while we are on the subject of Great Britain, and please forgive my ignorance on the subject, maybe you can clear something up for me, and probably a few others. I am always confused about which term to use such as Britain, Great Britain, British, England, English and United Kingdom. Is being British exactly the same as being English? Are they completely synonymous and interchangeable? If not what is the difference? I'm sure this was taught at school at some point in my life but that was years ago. Again, please forgive my ignorance.

Randy
Yeah, it is confusing, Randy - I'm getting a tad confused just writing this post. England is a country, Wales is a country, Scotland is a country, Northern Ireland is a country. Together they are known as Britain (or Great Britain, or the United Kingdom). People can thus describe themselves as British (but not 'Great' British, and we never say, "I'm from the United Kingdom or from the UK or from GB") if they live in one of those four countries, and in today's PC world, where 'race' scares the life out of politicians, 'British' is an increasingly common term, if rather too collective for the man on the street. In my experience people still prefer to be regarded as English, Scottish, etc, depending on their home countries. The Scottish in particular are particularly proud of their origins, as are the Welsh. In fact the Irish are too.
This leads me on to my final par (promise). It is easier to describe someone living in England as 'British' as it is someone living in Wales. I would describe David Haye, for example, a Londoner and thus obviously English, "British heavyweight hope David Haye" as opposed to "English heavyweight hope David Haye". I would never describe a Welshman as "British heavyweight hope", however, but "Welsh heavyweight hope...". The same applies to a Scottish and Northern Irish heavyweight. English is much more British than the other three nationalities, if that makes sense.
I found the following on Wikipedia. It helps me to have a visual. Maybe it'll give someone else a better grasp as well.

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bennie wrote:F uck me, what a can of worms.
Worms? You guys must be talking about fishing again.
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raylawpc wrote:Anybody else on here a little worried about Frank? He's on here all the time (unless he's off fishing), but I don't think he's posted anything since yesterday morning. I hope he got his diabetes under control.

I spoke with Frank a couple days ago and his diabetes has flared up. He wanted to let me know that if it's still bad next week he may not make it to the WBHOF banquet. He's going to do is best to be there so let's keep our fingers crossed.

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Get well, Frankie. :TU: We can always keep the thread ticking over, although it is not the same without you, obviously.
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Randyman wrote:Bennie, this is a more current photo. It was taken exactly one year ago. Also in the photo are my daughters, mother and granddaughters.

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The girls are cute; the ladies are pretty; but who's the old coot in the back who spoiled the picture? :wink: :wink:

Just kidding Randy! You have a great looking family. :TU:
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Randyman wrote:
bennie wrote:
Randyman wrote:Image

Bennie, while we are on the subject of Great Britain, and please forgive my ignorance on the subject, maybe you can clear something up for me, and probably a few others. I am always confused about which term to use such as Britain, Great Britain, British, England, English and United Kingdom. Is being British exactly the same as being English? Are they completely synonymous and interchangeable? If not what is the difference? I'm sure this was taught at school at some point in my life but that was years ago. Again, please forgive my ignorance.

Randy
Yeah, it is confusing, Randy - I'm getting a tad confused just writing this post. England is a country, Wales is a country, Scotland is a country, Northern Ireland is a country. Together they are known as Britain (or Great Britain, or the United Kingdom). People can thus describe themselves as British (but not 'Great' British, and we never say, "I'm from the United Kingdom or from the UK or from GB") if they live in one of those four countries, and in today's PC world, where 'race' scares the life out of politicians, 'British' is an increasingly common term, if rather too collective for the man on the street. In my experience people still prefer to be regarded as English, Scottish, etc, depending on their home countries. The Scottish in particular are particularly proud of their origins, as are the Welsh. In fact the Irish are too.
This leads me on to my final par (promise). It is easier to describe someone living in England as 'British' as it is someone living in Wales. I would describe David Haye, for example, a Londoner and thus obviously English, "British heavyweight hope David Haye" as opposed to "English heavyweight hope David Haye". I would never describe a Welshman as "British heavyweight hope", however, but "Welsh heavyweight hope...". The same applies to a Scottish and Northern Irish heavyweight. English is much more British than the other three nationalities, if that makes sense.
I found the following on Wikipedia. It helps me to have a visual. Maybe it'll give someone else a better grasp as well.

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Dangerously close to France. :witzend:
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bennie wrote:
Randyman wrote:
bennie wrote:Image

Bennie, while we are on the subject of Great Britain, and please forgive my ignorance on the subject, maybe you can clear something up for me, and probably a few others. I am always confused about which term to use such as Britain, Great Britain, British, England, English and United Kingdom. Is being British exactly the same as being English? Are they completely synonymous and interchangeable? If not what is the difference? I'm sure this was taught at school at some point in my life but that was years ago. Again, please forgive my ignorance.

Randy

Yeah, it is confusing, Randy - I'm getting a tad confused just writing this post. England is a country, Wales is a country, Scotland is a country, Northern Ireland is a country. Together they are known as Britain (or Great Britain, or the United Kingdom). People can thus describe themselves as British (but not 'Great' British, and we never say, "I'm from the United Kingdom or from the UK or from GB") if they live in one of those four countries, and in today's PC world, where 'race' scares the life out of politicians, 'British' is an increasingly common term, if rather too collective for the man on the street. In my experience people still prefer to be regarded as English, Scottish, etc, depending on their home countries. The Scottish in particular are particularly proud of their origins, as are the Welsh. In fact the Irish are too.
This leads me on to my final par (promise). It is easier to describe someone living in England as 'British' as it is someone living in Wales. I would describe David Haye, for example, a Londoner and thus obviously English, "British heavyweight hope David Haye" as opposed to "English heavyweight hope David Haye". I would never describe a Welshman as "British heavyweight hope", however, but "Welsh heavyweight hope...". The same applies to a Scottish and Northern Irish heavyweight. English is much more British than the other three nationalities, if that makes sense.
I found the following on Wikipedia. It helps me to have a visual. Maybe it'll give someone else a better grasp as well.

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Dangerously close to France. :witzend:
But redeemed by being in the same continent as Sweden.
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Which one is Sweden, Ray? :oops:
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The one colored orange on the map:

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Courtesy, Bruce Smith

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Courtesy, Dan

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Frank
I'm gong to have Maria bring you up some Nopales estilo Michoacan.
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15 MINUTES

Mexico sometimes gets very possessive about their National Treasures. Around 20 years ago on Sunday afternoon the Tele Azteca would show famous bouts of Mexican fighters. I've never seen these bouts re telecast .On Sunday afternoon my butt was usually on a bar stool at the Perico. Tony the bartender would work up a song or two wearing that white apron of his. Mario and his dog would sit in a booth waiting for a customer wanting a shoe shine. Mario would be smoking one of his "Faro" cigarettes. His dog sleeping peacefully at his side.'Ol Rosie woud walk in and out. Someone would always buy her a beer. I never saw her leave though with many customers,but she would always flash her gold teeth when she laughed.

At noon the little black and white TV would be tuned to the replays of the old fights. Macias,Bolanos,Medel,Ortega,Napoles,Olivares. All the film was black and white, and of course, the commentary was in Spanish. The show was only 15 minutes. But during that time Tony wouldn't sing,Mario sat at the bar,and Rosie wouldn't leave. All you could hear, besides the commentary, was the whirr of the ceiling fan.
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Frank, did you know a fighter by the name of John or Johnny Fisher? He would be about your age give or take a year. He was a red headed Chicano, about 5'7' or so. He fought at lightweight. We worked together for over twenty years at McDonnell Douglas during the 70's, 80's and 90's. He passed away about seven years ago. According to him, if I remember correctly he had about 20+ fights. He fought at both the Olympic and the Hollywood Legion Stadium.

He was a incredible runner. When I knew him he ran every day. He was in fantastic shape. We sparred quite a few times and he was as tough as nails. He taught me a lot about running, as it pertains to boxing.

I found a record for a Johnny "Red Top" Fisher and the stats, more or less add up, though there are less fights than what he told me, unless I'm remembering wrong. I never thought to write anything down back then, and this was before the internet and Boxrec. I was just wondering if you, or maybe Hap, knew anything about him.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Randy :box:
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Randyman wrote:Frank, did you know a fighter by the name of John or Johnny Fisher? He would be about your age give or take a year. He was a red headed Chicano, about 5'7' or so. He fought at lightweight. We worked together for over twenty years at McDonnell Douglas during the 70's, 80's and 90's. He passed away about seven years ago. According to him, if I remember correctly he had about 20+ fights. He fought at both the Olympic and the Hollywood Legion Stadium.

He was a incredible runner. When I knew him he ran every day. He was in fantastic shape. We sparred quite a few times and he was as tough as nails. He taught me a lot about running, as it pertains to boxing.

I found a record for a Johnny "Red Top" Fisher and the stats, more or less add up, though there are less fights than what he told me, unless I'm remembering wrong. I never thought to write anything down back then, and this was before the internet and Boxrec. I was just wondering if you, or maybe Hap, knew anything about him.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Randy :box:
Randy, I did see Fisher fight back in the day, he just fought prelims that I can remember, other then that I don't remember much about him.
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