Classic American West Coast Boxing

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My father talking to my mother sometime in the 1940's, in East Los Angeles, my uncle Gilbert to the right.


My father (second from right) with some old pals, mid 1950's in Los Angeles.

[Randyman]

When fighters were fighters

Larry Cisneros

Alias The Rock of New Mexico
Country USA
Global Id 10235
Birthplace Questa, NM
Division Welterweight
Born 1917-09-17
Stance Orthodox
Height 166cm


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1948-09-02 Johnny Greco Montreal, Canada NC NC 4
1948-05-25 Tony Martinez Taos, USA W KO 5
1948-02-04 Jesse Flores Oakland, USA L MD 10
1947-10-09 Frankie Fernandez Honolulu, USA L KO 4
1947-08-19 Gene Burton Los Angeles, USA L UD 10
1947-06-24 Chalky Wright Albuquerque, USA W PTS 10
1947-05-27 Eddie Prince Los Angeles, USA W MD 10
1947-04-25 Roman Alvarez Hollywood, USA W MD 10
1947-04-03 Johnny Suarez Hollywood, USA W KO 3
1947-01-15 Frankie Moore Oakland, USA W SD 10
1946-12-20 Vic Grupico Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1946-10-28 Johnny Williams New York City, USA W SD 10
1946-10-22 Joey Varoff Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1946-08-30 Norman Rubio New York City, USA W PTS 10
1946-08-24 Victor Moreno Staten Island, USA W PTS 8
1946-06-07 Matt Oglesby Albuquerque, USA W KO 4
1946-05-22 Frankie Moore Oakland, USA W PTS 10
1946-05-10 Memo Llanes Hollywood, USA W TKO 9
1946-04-05 Leon Spencer Hollywood, USA W UD 10
1946-02-05 John Thomas Los Angeles, USA L SD 10
1945-12-14 Eddie Hudson Hollywood, USA W UD 10
1945-10-12 Matt Oglesby Hollywood, USA W UD 10
1943-12-29 Marcel Cerdan Algiers, Algeria L KO 2
1943-10-13 Marcel Cerdan Oran, Algeria L KO 6
1943-09-29 Jerry Blackwell Algiers, Algeria W KO 2
1943-06-27 Dixie Fleming Casablanca, Morocco W PTS 10
1942-03-23 George Costner Louisville, USA W PTS 10
1942-03-02 Bobby Simmons Louisville, USA W PTS 10
1941-10-15 California Jackie Wilson Oakland, USA L PTS 10
1941-09-26 Johnny Hutchinson Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1941-08-15 Richard Polite Hollywood, USA D TD 8
1941-08-01 California Jackie Wilson Hollywood, USA L PTS 10
1941-07-02 Sheik Rangel Oakland, USA W PTS 10
1941-06-13 Johnny Hutchinson Hollywood, USA L PTS 10
1941-05-27 Johnny Hutchinson Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1941-05-21 Sammy Brown Oakland, USA W KO 7
1941-04-10 Ray Price Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1941-02-28 Cecil Hudson Hollywood, USA L PTS 10
1941-02-21 Andy Scrivani Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1941-02-07 Andy Scrivani Hollywood, USA W PTS 6
1941-01-07 Ray Price Los Angeles, USA D PTS 6
1940-12-06 Cecil Hudson Hollywood, USA L PTS 6
1940-11-06 Dub Bowen Wilmington, USA W KO 3
1940-10-11 Ray Price Hollywood, USA W PTS 6
1940-09-11 Dencio Cabanela Wilmington, USA D TD 6
1940-08-23 Chief Evening Thunder Hollywood, USA W PTS 6
1940-08-12 Eddie Bello San Francisco, USA W PTS 6
1940-08-05 Jimmy Liggett San Francisco, USA W TKO 2
1940-07-19 Henry Majcher Hollywood, USA W PTS 4
1940-06-14 Chief Evening Thunder Hollywood, USA W PTS 6
1940-05-03 Willie Fields Hollywood, USA W PTS 4
1940-04-19 Eddie Stanley Hollywood, USA W PTS 4
1940-04-09 Chief Crazy Horse Los Angeles, USA W PTS 6
1940-04-05 Zeke Castro Hollywood, USA W PTS 4
1939-12-01 Ted Garcia San Luis, USA W PTS 10
1939-10-16 Davie Manzanares San Luis, USA W KO 1
1939-09-18 Willie Russell Columbus, USA W PTS 10
1939-08-29 Stanley Poreda Detroit, USA W PTS 10
1939-07-31 Willie Russell Columbus, USA L PTS 10
1939-07-28 Joe Doty Sault Sainte Marie, USA W PTS 10
1939-07-18 Willie Russell Columbus, USA W PTS 10
1939-07-10 Mansfield Driskill Detroit, USA W PTS 8
1939-05-26 Young Kid McCoy Detroit, USA L PTS 8
1939-05-12 Johnny Kid Crismas Detroit, USA W PTS 8
1939-05-02 Lloyd Pine Detroit, USA W PTS 8
1939-04-19 Jackie Simmons Milwaukee, USA W PTS 6
1939-04-17 Johnny Green Detroit, USA W KO 2
1939-04-03 Ralph Barnett Detroit, USA W KO 4
1939-03-24 Eddie Scott Detroit, USA W PTS 6
1939-03-21 Nick Basil Detroit, USA W KO 2
1939-03-13 Young Armando Santiago Chicago, USA W PTS 6
1939-03-01 Lee Sheppard Cleveland, USA L KO 2
1938-02-10 Buster Johnson W KO 3
1938-01-25 Tiny Garcia W PTS 10
1938-01-20 Pete Regal W KO 4
1938-01-15 Tiny Garcia W PTS 10
1938-01-05 Moose Maxwell W KO 2
1938-01-01 Joe Gardini W KO 3
1937-08-05 Chato Gonzalez W KO 2
1937-07-30 Teles Vigil San Luis, USA W KO 2
1937-02-05 Johnny Martin W PTS 8
1937-02-01 Jimmy Carter W PTS 10
1937-01-25 Bobby Valdez W PTS 8
1937-01-20 Smokie Kansas W KO 3
1937-01-15 Encinio Romero W KO 3
1937-01-01 Perry Cruz W PTS 6

Record to Date
Won 68 (KOs 20) Lost 14 Drawn 3 Total 86

Admittedly, I don't know too much about Larry Cisneros but I do know that the great state of New Mexico has consistently turned out good, if not always great, fighters, including Bob Foster, Ted "Mustang" Garcia, Johnny Tapia, Danny Romero, Los Angeles' own "Adopted" New Mexican fighter, Art Aragon and my own cousin Louie Burke. I will always be partial to New Mexico, since that is where my family is from. Lots of history there.

Randy

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Camacho backing out
By Edgar Gonzalez


Junior middleweight contender and son of legend Hector Camacho,
Jr has denied that he backed out of a November 8 match up with
former world champion Luis Ramon “Yory Boy” Campas in Tijuana,
MX because of weight issues as claimed by the event’s promoter.

Camacho not only vehemently denies that he is out of shape; he
also says he was never given a contract for the November 8 contest.
“I didn’t know anything about the bout,” Camacho said. “I would have
loved the match up (with Campas) but I never got a contract for it.
I don’t know where this rumor came from.” Camacho (46-3-1, 26 KO’s)
says he’s been training for a November 20 scheduled 10-round bout
with Dave Saunders in Altoona, IA. As to the question of Camacho’s
physical condition, the Orlando, FL resident says he is currently near
the junior middleweight limit of 154 pounds. “I’m at 155 now so I am in
great shape,” Camacho said. “So why would I back out of a fight?”

In Camacho last fight in May of 2008 against Roel Salinas at the Plaza
De Toros El Paseo, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. The Puerto Rican looked
fat and weight 168. What are your thoughts about Camacho Jr.?

[bennie]

Camacho backing out
By Edgar Gonzalez


Junior middleweight contender and son of legend Hector Camacho,
Jr has denied that he backed out of a November 8 match up with
former world champion Luis Ramon “Yory Boy” Campas in Tijuana,
MX because of weight issues as claimed by the event’s promoter.

Camacho not only vehemently denies that he is out of shape; he
also says he was never given a contract for the November 8 contest.
“I didn’t know anything about the bout,” Camacho said. “I would have
loved the match up (with Campas) but I never got a contract for it.
I don’t know where this rumor came from.” Camacho (46-3-1, 26 KO’s)
says he’s been training for a November 20 scheduled 10-round bout
with Dave Saunders in Altoona, IA. As to the question of Camacho’s
physical condition, the Orlando, FL resident says he is currently near
the junior middleweight limit of 154 pounds. “I’m at 155 now so I am in
great shape,” Camacho said. “So why would I back out of a fight?”

In Camacho last fight in May of 2008 against Roel Salinas at the Plaza
De Toros El Paseo, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. The Puerto Rican looked
fat and weight 168. What are your thoughts about Camacho Jr.?

I would not believe a word either Camacho utters. Senior is currently in jail for breaking into a computer shop to steal his OWN computer, uriunating in the shop while he was in there. He is America's dumbest criminal, surely. His son once blatantly punked out of a fight with Jesse James Leija...
Frankie, what are your thoughts on Senior?

[bennie]

More L.A. Noir


My father talking to my mother sometime in the 1940's, in East Los Angeles, my uncle Gilbert to the right.


My father (second from right) with some old pals, mid 1950's in Los Angeles.

Your dad has a 'good' face, Randy.

[Randyman]

Camacho backing out
By Edgar Gonzalez


Junior middleweight contender and son of legend Hector Camacho,
Jr has denied that he backed out of a November 8 match up with
former world champion Luis Ramon “Yory Boy” Campas in Tijuana,
MX because of weight issues as claimed by the event’s promoter.

Camacho not only vehemently denies that he is out of shape; he
also says he was never given a contract for the November 8 contest.
“I didn’t know anything about the bout,” Camacho said. “I would have
loved the match up (with Campas) but I never got a contract for it.
I don’t know where this rumor came from.” Camacho (46-3-1, 26 KO’s)
says he’s been training for a November 20 scheduled 10-round bout
with Dave Saunders in Altoona, IA. As to the question of Camacho’s
physical condition, the Orlando, FL resident says he is currently near
the junior middleweight limit of 154 pounds. “I’m at 155 now so I am in
great shape,” Camacho said. “So why would I back out of a fight?”

In Camacho last fight in May of 2008 against Roel Salinas at the Plaza
De Toros El Paseo, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. The Puerto Rican looked
fat and weight 168. What are your thoughts about Camacho Jr.?

I would not believe a word either Camacho utters. Senior is currently in jail for breaking into a computer shop to steal his OWN computer, uriunating in the shop while he was in there. He is America's dumbest criminal, surely. His son once blatantly punked out of a fight with Jesse James Leija...
Frankie, what are your thoughts on Senior?

Hector Camacho Sr is a legend? Bennie, about Camacho vs Jesse James Leija, you took the words right out of my mouth. From a purely technical standpoint, Camacho Sr. had the potential to be great. He had talent to spare. It was his behavior, inside and outside the ring, and his inconsistencies that kept him from reaching true greatness. He had his moments but they were few and far between. If Camacho is a legend, what does that make Rocky Marciano and Sugar Ray Robinson?

As for junior, he's a far cry from his father, you can make of that what you will.

Randy

[Randyman]

More L.A. Noir


My father talking to my mother sometime in the 1940's, in East Los Angeles, my uncle Gilbert to the right.


My father (second from right) with some old pals, mid 1950's in Los Angeles.

Your dad has a 'good' face, Randy.

Thanks Bennie, I agree, if I may so say so. The picture below really shows it.

[raylawpc]

[quote="Randyman"]If Camacho is a legend, what does that make Rocky Marciano and Sugar Ray Robinson?[quote]

Gods now residing in the fistic patheon of Mount Olympus with Sullivan, Dempsey, Jeffries, Gans, Leonard . . .

[Randyman]

If Camacho is a legend, what does that make Rocky Marciano and Sugar Ray Robinson?

Gods now residing in the fistic patheon of Mount Olympus with Sullivan, Dempsey, Jeffries, Gans, Leonard . . .

Well said Tom, and put that way, beyond dispute!!

Randy

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From Yahoo Sports

Hopkins a racist and coward according to Calzaghe
By Steve Cofield



Joe Calzaghe just wanted a few days to rest and mull over his future but the British media is all over the guy and it appears that he's tired of being asked the question. In a recent interview with The Mirror, Calzaghe mentions that he has little passion left for the sport and that the most lucrative fight out there, a rematch with Bernard Hopkins, won't happen because he can't stand the man.

Calzaghe has been outspoken in response to Hopkins' claims that he and fellow causasian Kelly Pavlik didn't have the game to beat elite black fighters:

"Screw Hopkins, man. He got his (expletive) kicked by a white boy. He's got to accept that. He's an idiot. A complete (expletive). I don't want to give him a rematch. It wouldn't be a good fight. The guy's a racist. He was never going to give me any credit."

The Welshman made similar comments to Yahoo! Sports last week when asked about Hopkins' racial boxing theories:

"It was a stupid comment. It's like the same comment he made towards me. And he did lose to a white guy so I don't know what he's trying to get to. I just think it's ignorant. All of our heavyweights before were predominately black. Now the Klitschkos and all that are white. Is that saying black heavyweights should fight like white heavyweights?"

'Super Joe also said he has no respect for Hopkins' fighting style:

"The way he fought against me in Las Vegas was cowardly because he held on all night and feigned being hit by low blows. He tried to steal the fight."

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Sugar Ray Robinson with Ray Famechon

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Lulu Costantino

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Don Cockell vs the Rock

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Al "Big Boy" Bray

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Don Cockell meets the press as he concludes
training for his title fight with Rocky Marciano

May 12, 1955-San Francisco

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San Francisco shipyards 1944. Former Middleweight champ Fred Apostoli
boxes an exhibition with Vic Grupico before workmen, Frank Carter is the referee.
Bobbin & Weavin

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Jimmy Braddock

By Diego

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Arthur King

[dagosd2000]

VETERAN'S DAY

Not many kids are interested in History in school. Not many outside the classroom either. Especially girls. Take war out of History and there's not much left. Maybe that's why women are bored with it. Ask a gal to the fights. Not many takers. Men beating on each other. And then there's war. Men killing each other.

Men see it different than women. Men are always wanting to test their manhood,or thinking about it. Boxing is about as close as you get to war,but it's not that close. Funny,the guys I know who laced them up and the men I've known who lived on the front lines,don't discuss it much unless they happen upon a fellow "pug" or another "grunt."

Women are pretty far removed from violence in their nature. They're soft and full of compassion. Times are changing though. I watch TV once in a while and I see these new programs. They send these dudes in after they've been castrated. And the women? Strap on the leather baby.

Maybe if they reinstate the draft,they could find some real dominant females on the television. They'd know how to cut those terrorists' balls off.

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Chalky Wright

[Randyman]

San Francisco shipyards 1944. Former Middleweight champ Fred Apostoli
boxes an exhibition with Vic Grupico before workmen, Frank Carter is the referee.
Bobbin & Weavin

The infamous round ring. It looks like something out of a futuristic sci-fi movie.

[Randyman]

Jeri and I stopped at PoFolks, in Buena Park, this morning for breakfast. I'm not sure wha's going on lately but we have been having a streak of bad luck. The bad luck streak was still in effect this morning. Breakfast is served til 11:00 and we just made it, getting there at 11:00am. There weren't too many people in there today but for some reason it took about 15 minutes to get us seated.

PoFolks is known for it's southern style cooking, at least in theory, Once upon a time they were a top of the line restaurant, attracting hungry diners leaving Knott's Berry Farm looking for some good eats. It's become a tourist trap. I take some resposibility. I should have known better.

I ordered a country fried pork chop with two sunny side up eggs, home fried potatoes and biscuits and gravy. Jeri had two eggs over easy, hash browns and bacon, with toast. Did I mention that it took 30 minutes before we were asked if we wanted coffee? 10 minutes before we got our coffee and another few minutes before we ordered. I can't explain why we didn't walk out. As the waitress, Christine, was taking our order, she leaned on our table, just a little too comfortable and tells my wife and I, "I am just so tired you know, I'll do a better job for you when you come back next time". My wife and I just looked at each other. I asked for an orange juice with my breakfast and her response was "Okay but you'll have to keep reminding me, I'm bad with drinks". Again, my wife and I just looked at each other.

I should mentioned that none of the waitress' looked very sanitary and hygenic. To a girl, they were sloppy with messy hair that looked like it might end up in our food. You can bet your bottom dollar I checked before I ate.

Sometime later, and by now, sporting a five o'clock shadow, our waitress brought our food to the table. She reached in front of me to lay the plate down, and just as the plate was within an inch of the table, another customer called my waitress. Instead of putting my plate down, she hangs onto it as she goes to see what the customer wants, She's holding my plate in front of her as she talks. I'm worried, not knowing if she was a spitter or not. She comes back puts the plate down and again tells us how tired she is, and how much better the service will be when we come back next time. my wife and I continue to exchange glances.

My wife looks at my plate and then at me and says in her most sympathetic tone "those home fries look horrible, would you like some of my hash browns?" They were every bit as bad as theylooked. The pork chop was dried but the crust was greasy. In a word, the food was lousy.

Anyway, to make a short story long, as she brought us our bill, she apologized continously for her sloppy service. Now niether my wife nor I complained the whole time we were there. Though it might have showed on our faces. She aplogized because she knew, instictively that she was doing a lousy job, at our expense. As she was talking, I was writing my review.

Then I said to her as she was complaining, "You know, I write reviews for a ratings website and I'll be doing a review of the restaurant,...and your service. Suddenly, she snapped to attention, and I mean that literally, she staightened up and asked me, suddenly in a concerned and compassionate voice "How was your food? My response was "At best? Barely adequate" "And the service? she asked. "You tell me." I said. There was a shift in power now. She looked at me and said in a small pitiful voice "it sucks?" "Well. there you go, it sucks. Your words not mine" but what did I do? "Well for starters you brought me apple juice. I ordered orange juice to which she responded "Oh yeah, that's right, I'll go get" "Never mind were going".

She ran and told the manager that I was writing a review on the restaurant. Suddenly I was getting the full treatment, but it was too late, we were leaving.

[bennie]

Don Cockell vs the Rock

Now, that is what you call 'walking the walk'. Fantastic shot. Marciano, it has to be said, was right out of order that night, fouling a brave but outclassed opponent repeatedly and coming across as a bully.
The Rock lost a lot of fans on these shores.

[bennie]

From Yahoo Sports

Hopkins a racist and coward according to Calzaghe
By Steve Cofield



Joe Calzaghe just wanted a few days to rest and mull over his future but the British media is all over the guy and it appears that he's tired of being asked the question. In a recent interview with The Mirror, Calzaghe mentions that he has little passion left for the sport and that the most lucrative fight out there, a rematch with Bernard Hopkins, won't happen because he can't stand the man.

Calzaghe has been outspoken in response to Hopkins' claims that he and fellow causasian Kelly Pavlik didn't have the game to beat elite black fighters:

"Screw Hopkins, man. He got his (expletive) kicked by a white boy. He's got to accept that. He's an idiot. A complete (expletive). I don't want to give him a rematch. It wouldn't be a good fight. The guy's a racist. He was never going to give me any credit."

The Welshman made similar comments to Yahoo! Sports last week when asked about Hopkins' racial boxing theories:

"It was a stupid comment. It's like the same comment he made towards me. And he did lose to a white guy so I don't know what he's trying to get to. I just think it's ignorant. All of our heavyweights before were predominately black. Now the Klitschkos and all that are white. Is that saying black heavyweights should fight like white heavyweights?"

'Super Joe also said he has no respect for Hopkins' fighting style:

"The way he fought against me in Las Vegas was cowardly because he held on all night and feigned being hit by low blows. He tried to steal the fight."

Stallone looks a bit like Uncle John.