Did Barrett knock down Haye in the 5th?

[Loynesy]

it wasnt a knockdown.

simple.

[observer1]

Gotta respect Haye though, some marbles.

Indeed.

He seems very UN-British. Not going for the Ancient British Tradition of padding the record up like nobodies buisness, and fighting nobodies or passed it guys once getting the shabby version of the World Title.

Going straight for the titles and challenging BOTH Klitchko's.

[twenty six]

Well if the man himself says it was a knockdown, that should be good enough for us all.
David has confirmed it.

[Autobarn]

Yep I can see Haye being demolished against Wlad should he get past Vitali. It's going to be one of those brutal highlight KO's, straight down the pipe. Gotta respect Haye though, some marbles.

You think Haye would get past Vitali but lose to Wlad?

I think Vitali is vastly superior to Wlad. Vitali is the only "elite" heavyweight post Lewis, as I see it.

[Autobarn]

Don't think it was a knockdown. The feet were square and anything would have put him on his backside. It looked like a grazing punch, but just because the punch sent him down doesn't necessarily make it a knockdown. If the ref feels that the fighter was too off balance.

[twenty six]

If David says it was knockdown - end of.

[Tykemania]

Over on Second's Out and the BBC they are saying it was a slip........... i'm still not convinced though, would like to see a replay for my own eye's.

Setanta done a poor job with the replay's tonight, to slow in comming and not enough of them!

I thought the same. It looked like a legit knockdown - Haye went down square on and possibly off balance. A replay would have shown whether a shot was delivered. It appeared to get cancelled out by Barrett's follow up on Haye. All that said Haye got up and looked completely clear headed and not in any trouble at all.

To me (eight rows back) it looked like there was a decentish left hook in there, but that Haye may already have been on his way down due to the slip that it was eventually ruled as. A borderline one at worst.

[banjo]

He seems very UN-British.

You never fail to amuse me with your cynical view on life.

True there is fighters out there with padded records but it's ALL OVER THE WORLD not just Britain, look at some of the deadwood Tyson knocked over in his career but it doesn't affect his "legendary status"( ) however if it was a Brit with that record he'd be derided as an overhyped fighter or whatever.

Every fighter in the world throughout history has been involved in mismatches(some more so than others) so it's not "just a British thing" as you'd probably say.

[stujones]

Should have been called a knockdown, Haye was clipped with a left hook and went down - think it shook him, but he wasn't badly hurt.

I was sitting quite a ways back though, so not the clearest view.

Nothing wrong with the stoppage for me, Barrett had been down five times and was hurt every time Haye landed a solid shot, the fight was only going one way at that stage.

Thought Haye was struggling before he got that first knockdown - but his power is a massive leveller. I think he will find it hard against Wlad though to land those shots, but if he manages to put a big one on Wlad, I think he will put him over.

I thought Haye made Barrett looked silly for the most of it.... Klitchsko's an all together different proposition. I thought Barrett did earn Haye's respect with his punching early and should have been credited with a KD - and it did hurt Haye. He got up and went back down, obviously not alot.

[Autobarn]

Yeah but we have sort of come to have low expectations, for boxing-as-spectacle, over here. With the odd big fight thrown in, the odd unexpected star emerging.

Obviously Haye HAS TO take the risks, as a fledgeling promoter. I don't think anyone would be interested in seeing him put on safe fights, and feature in safe fights. But you'd think it was part of his personality anyway. Haye had a lot of control as to who he was fighting during the European title reign, and we saw him tested enough to be world rated and ready to take the titles. You don't always see that over here, so it makes Haye look like a bit of a maverick.

[black panther]

I'd like to see Haye in with a big heavy before he takes the plunge with either if the Klitschko's. Kali Meehan, Jameel McCline, Dmitrenko or Boystov - that kind of size. I thought was loading up too much and looked a bit wild at times. I think either Klitschko would make him pay for those misses but with Wladimirs chin anyone with a punch and some speed has a chance. But it would be a mistake if he jumped straight in with a Klitschko after this fight I think from a promotional stand-point. If he loses badly it would be hard to recover from.

[rhino222]

i would have liked haye to use the jab a bit more, he was loading up too much with big circular hooks..

[ALI]

Watching that You Tube clip, i'd say it was a legit knock down. The punch definitly seemed to connect, but not sure how cleanly. Had Barrett not thrown the shot, Haye would most likely have stayed upright.

Haye, i think, will be one of those fighters that gets clocked and his auto instinct tells him to go down. I think Vitali would embarress Haye to be honest, likely knocking him down several times each round (probably not even all from clean shots) before stopping him in the third or fourth! His only chance would be against Wladimir, and he would need to land big early on IMO or would be dominated and KO'd from Klit #2 also!

[Bard of Boxrec]

I think, watching it again, it was a mixture of Barrett's left hook and Haye stumbling. Haye took a long time on a knee by the ropes to recover though... was he hurt ?

I really do think that Haye would KO Wlad simply because Wlad would come out cautious, sitting back and not wanting to commit - perfect for Haye to get the psychological advantage and get his shots off first. Coming in against Wlad's power Haye would be less reckless and pick his shots more. Even if Haye were to get decked against Wlad I think he would go all out for the stoppage and due to Wlad's upright style would be favoured to get it.

Against Vitali it would be a totally different story, I don't see how Haye can win that one when not even Lennox could drop Vitali.

[telboy66]

Could not see where the shot from Monte landed as Haye had his back to my side if the ring but when he got up he was acting as if it had been a low blow & I'm sure the ref took a point off barrett

[CheckHook]

Haye and Davies both said it was a knockdown, but the punch on the floor meant he stopped the count.

Well if the man himself says it was a knockdown, that should be good enough for us all.
David has confirmed it.

Ive watched it a few times now and it looked like he ducked the punch and lost his balance. If Haye said it was a knockdown though I'm not gonna disagree... Anyone point me in the right direction for where he said it was a knockdown, I can't find it?

[twenty six]

Straight after the fight mate.
I understand he has also said so in an interview on Radio 5 this morning but I didn't hear it as I was on the road home.

[stujones]

I think, watching it again, it was a mixture of Barrett's left hook and Haye stumbling. Haye took a long time on a knee by the ropes to recover though... was he hurt ?

I really do think that Haye would KO Wlad simply because Wlad would come out cautious, sitting back and not wanting to commit - perfect for Haye to get the psychological advantage and get his shots off first. Coming in against Wlad's power Haye would be less reckless and pick his shots more. Even if Haye were to get decked against Wlad I think he would go all out for the stoppage and due to Wlad's upright style would be favoured to get it.

Against Vitali it would be a totally different story, I don't see how Haye can win that one when not even Lennox could drop Vitali.

I think him being hurt fuelled the KO - my old man has just seen the fight and is convinced that had punch been counted and Haye only had 10 seconds to recover - might have been different end.

I think he was clearly hurt, not in queer street like he was vs Mormeck, but stunned he didn't right when he got up and went back down.

[Max Molyneux]

where did you hear that mate?

He said it on A Question of Sport; I think he said he wants to fight Peter in a WBC Heavyweight Title Eliminator (probably because of Gomez & Povetkin).

Peter!

The Klitschko's exposed him.

[Dioufy]

I am a massive Haye fan so no one can call me biased here but looking at the video Barrett did seem to land a left onto David's napper - I think it should've and easily could've been called a knock down. The good thing is that he didn't seem troubled by it, and only got countered because he was trying to get Barrett out of there. His legs looked good when he got it by that one shot so to me it doesn't really matter too much. Time to move on from what was ultimately a sensational performance by the HayMaker.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think, watching it again, it was a mixture of Barrett's left hook and Haye stumbling. Haye took a long time on a knee by the ropes to recover though... was he hurt ?

I really do think that Haye would KO Wlad simply because Wlad would come out cautious, sitting back and not wanting to commit - perfect for Haye to get the psychological advantage and get his shots off first. Coming in against Wlad's power Haye would be less reckless and pick his shots more. Even if Haye were to get decked against Wlad I think he would go all out for the stoppage and due to Wlad's upright style would be favoured to get it.

Against Vitali it would be a totally different story, I don't see how Haye can win that one when not even Lennox could drop Vitali.

I think him being hurt fuelled the KO - my old man has just seen the fight and is convinced that had punch been counted and Haye only had 10 seconds to recover - might have been different end.

I think he was clearly hurt, not in queer street like he was vs Mormeck, but stunned he didn't right when he got up and went back down.

Yes that's what I thought, he spent a long time recovering in that corner, must have been hurt.

Either way, Haye was bossing the fight, but I don't like to gloss over these incidentals - as moments like that can change a fight completely.

We know now that Haye's power is for real at heavyweight, but as we knew before, his frailty is always going to be a factor.

Haye may struggle with Klit for one reason - he likes to draw a lead from his opponent, but Wlad is a long range puncher who likes to nullify his opponents offence with his straight punches. Haye will have to get close if he wants to land his left hook, and he surely will be at a reach disadvantage over Wlad for the jab.

Haye will need to develop his inside game in order to get to Wlad, as at some point he will need to get close to Wlad and Wlad is going to be holding and mauling.

[Autobarn]

Well, it was the punch that Barrett landed when Haye was on the floor that seemed to hurt Haye. Hence why he was given time to recover. It was a clean shot.

[Loftgroov]

Haye slipped. His centre of balance looked off.

He had slightly wobbly legs when he got up, but that was on account of being smacked while sat on the canvas, not the initial shot.

[Hagler2002]

Haye slipped. His centre of balance looked off.

He had slightly wobbly legs when he got up, but that was on account of being smacked while sat on the canvas, not the initial shot.

He went down from a punch.

[punchers chance]

Haye slipped. His centre of balance looked off.

He had slightly wobbly legs when he got up, but that was on account of being smacked while sat on the canvas, not the initial shot.

He went down from a punch.

Hagler - do you know what the bookies have ruled?
I know there were markets on whether Haye would hit the deck, and another on him winning after getting knocked down.