Conn vs Dempsey Fantasy fight

7rounds · Post by **7rounds** » 25 May 2004, 18:45

Billy Conn by 15th round decision.

dan1030 · Post by **dan1030** » 26 May 2004, 01:54

my guess is Conn-Dempsey would look quite a bit like Tunney-Demspey, but with Conn showing quite a bit less power, but more speed and movement than Tunney (which is saying something!). Conn by decision--without ever getting serioulsly hurt or coming close to hurting Dempsey, unless Dempsey got lucky in landing a big one.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 26 May 2004, 10:53

dan1030 wrote:my guess is Conn-Dempsey would look quite a bit like Tunney-Demspey, but with Conn showing quite a bit less power, but more speed and movement than Tunney (which is saying something!). Conn by decision--without ever getting serioulsly hurt or coming close to hurting Dempsey, unless Dempsey got lucky in landing a big one.

...got lucky in landing a big one...kinda like Joe Louis, then? ;)

Conn was on his way to an easy points win vs. Louis, but then he got brave. Who's to say he wouldn't have done the same thing vs. Dempsey? (Without having fought the Louis fight and already learned that lesson the hard way, that is.)

A more recent fight that has a similar theme is Foreman/Moorer. Moorer was boxing Big George's 45-year-old ears off, but then he got brave, and you don't want to ever get brave against a big puncher, unless it's your only chance to win.

7rounds · Post by **7rounds** » 26 May 2004, 12:26

Eric the Viking wrote:
dan1030 wrote:my guess is Conn-Dempsey would look quite a bit like Tunney-Demspey, but with Conn showing quite a bit less power, but more speed and movement than Tunney (which is saying something!). Conn by decision--without ever getting serioulsly hurt or coming close to hurting Dempsey, unless Dempsey got lucky in landing a big one.
...got lucky in landing a big one...kinda like Joe Louis, then? ;)

Conn was on his way to an easy points win vs. Louis, but then he got brave. Who's to say he wouldn't have done the same thing vs. Dempsey? (Without having fought the Louis fight and already learned that lesson the hard way, that is.)

A more recent fight that has a similar theme is Foreman/Moorer. Moorer was boxing Big George's 45-year-old ears off, but then he got brave, and you don't want to ever get brave against a big puncher, unless it's your only chance to win.

Styles make fights. Louis was a boxer puncher and Jack Dempsey was a puncher. Conn would had been more careful with Dempsey. And Jack's stamina was not as good as Loui's. He got tired in the later rounds even though he went the distance with Gibbons for the 15th rounds. And knock out another challenger in the 12th. If he would had choice to fight Conn for ten or fiftenn rounds he would had lose anyway.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 26 May 2004, 23:22

The Louis-Conn story is myth blown way out of proportion. Yes Conn was leading on the scorecards (but only by a couple of rds) but I think Conn was tired from the pressure of Louis and was gonna fall regardless of his flurry in the 13th-the man was dead tired, as that last flurry took whatever energy he had left out of him. Everyone makes it out like a Conn victory was "a sure bet" but Conn just got stupid. That's dis-crediting Louis and is plain hogwash.
If we're talking about prime for prime watch Dempsey-Carpantier for comparison rather than Tunney-Dempsey. Not only was Dempsey past his best when he fought Gene, but Tunnye was much more scientific than Conn. Conn would last longer than Georges but the pressure and body punching of Dempsey would ensure Conn loses somewhere in the middle rds by KO. Dempsey was too strong and too good of a pressure fighter for Conn. And Dempsey was much more scinetific then many think-he was not simply a 'puncher' but a master at picking shots, rolling punches, and bobbing and weaving.

dan1030 · Post by **dan1030** » 28 May 2004, 00:44

I agree that Demspey was a better boxer than he's generally given credit for, and I agree that he was past his prime for the Tunney fight, so your right that it may not be the best comparison. But i would disagree that Tunney was a much more scientfic fighter than Conn--I really don't se how you get much slicker than either of them. From what I've seen, I don't believe Carpantier could have dealt with either of them--but them I've only seen his fight with Demspey plus a few highlights of his other fights.