Can I ask for my money back?

[Abbo]

So what's the crack if I want my money back for the disintegrating Excel show? Any chances?

Or is it sold as a show, no matter what's on it come fight night??

[Lightsoot]

Much will hinge on whether Warren can find a world title co-challenger for Maccarinelli. If he does, he is managing to deliver "an evening of world championship boxing" which is what will be written on your ticket. I'm also guessing that it states "the promoter reserves the right to change the bill without warning etc etc".

I wouldn't rate your chances very highly, I'm afraid.

[Poncey]

....especially if it's ticketmaster.

[dondada]

Go to Trading Standards. If you need someone to vouch that it's shite, I'll back you. 8)

[Abbo]

Go to Trading Standards. If you need someone to vouch that it's shite, I'll back you. 8)

LOL, I will insist it goes to court..

[jamesmcdonnell]

There must be some statutory rights which are affected here. I mean, just because a promoter writes on the back of his tickets 'the promoter reserves the right to change the bill' doesn't mean it is a point of law. It's like if someone gets you to sign a contract saying they have the right to punch you every hour on the hour with a knuckleduster, it doesn't make their actions legal.

By purchasing a ticket, some sort of contractual situation is surely being entered into, the promoter agrees to abide at least loosely by the terms of the purchase. For example 'world championship boxing' would have to contain a sanctioned world title fight would it not?

Now I'm sure Warren's legal Beagle Mr Heath knows what he is doing, but I wouldn't assume you have no rights in this situation.

Perhaps you could phone watchdog.....

This situation arises far too often in boxing - not pointing any fingers, but would people be expected to tolerate it if they went to see Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, and instead treated to 'two brides for three brothers, because some of the dancers were ill?'

[DavidPayne]

I think if the fighters names are on the ticket - you've got some scope for a case.

I think if it says World Championship Boxing that wrecks your analogy James.

Because it wouldn't say Seven Brides for Seven Brothers would it?

It would say "A show with songs in it".

[Coco]

To be honest I don't think the law has ever been tested in this way, I doubt any promoter has pushed the boundaries so much!
It would be interesting to see a test case, it could have far reaching implications

[leforge]

This what makes boxing turn into farce. I will never go to one of his bills again. I go to Maloney shows but he shows are always like this. You dont get many fighters pulling out of prizefighter events.

[REAL_DEAL]

A lot of people i know don't buy their tickets till the week of the fight shows don't sell out like they used to.

[leforge]

I agree bad luck, but surely a promotor should have subsitiute fighters on standby, eg someone standing in instead of Banks they could have fought on bill as well. Its just an idea.

[DavidPayne]

A lot of people i know don't buy their tickets till the week of the fight shows don't sell out like they used to.

Which makes for a vicious circle. The shows not selling, the promoter is looking at a loss and suddenly pull-outs begin to occur. An alleged, unfounded and entirely scurrilous conclusion I hasten to add but its hard to avoid the assumption.

[stujones]

I got a refund for the Williams vs Skelton II bill in Cardiff.... Joe was supposed to be topping the bill.

[Coco]

I got a refund for the Williams vs Skelton II bill in Cardiff.... Joe was supposed to be topping the bill.

Was that because it wasn't a world title?

[Mario]

I'd guess a lot of tickets are sold by the individual fighters to people who aren't necessarily boxing fans, but just want to see their mate fight.

What happens in situations where they have to pull out and you have possibly hundreds of people who arent interested in any other fights, do they get refunds?

[TerribleTerry]

I'd guess a lot of tickets are sold by the individual fighters to people who aren't necessarily boxing fans, but just want to see their mate fight.

What happens in situations where they have to pull out and you have possibly hundreds of people who arent interested in any other fights, do they get refunds?

No.

I remember a load of Elcock fans (a good few hundred) got caught out like this on a show in Cardiff where Elcock withdrew with a legit injury. The a r s e hole promoter wouldn't refund tickets though - genuinely cant remember who promoted it.

[whicker]

This situation arises far too often in boxing - not pointing any fingers, but would people be expected to tolerate it if they went to see Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, and instead treated to 'two brides for three brothers, because some of the dancers were ill?'

I think its more like if you book panto tickets for the family for a show advertised as containing , say, some bird from Hollyoaks and someone from a well know American boyband, and then they dropped out to be replaced by a celeb from local radio you would have every right to claim a refund.

[stujones]

I got a refund for the Williams vs Skelton II bill in Cardiff.... Joe was supposed to be topping the bill.

Was that because it wasn't a world title?

SN made a press release saying anyone was entitled to a refund... took a while mind, loads of posts on here about it.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Its a small claims court case - so basically - write to SN and demand your money
back - if they refuse go to the small claims court and file papers (about 40 quid and simple to do)to SN network in Herfordshire - anyone can take anyone else to a small claims court so Warren
(or one of his lackeys) will HAVE TO turn up to the hearing.

If enough of you who bought tickets take SN to the small claims court - he is going to give you a refund than try and fight it.

[coneye]

Its a small claims court case - so basically - write to SN and demand your money
back - if they refuse go to the small claims court and file papers (about 40 quid and simple to do)to SN network in Herfordshire - anyone can take anyone else to a small claims court so Warren
(or one of his lackeys) will HAVE TO turn up to the hearing.

If enough of you who bought tickets take SN to the small claims court - he is going to give you a refund than try and fight it.

Correct and the best thing about small claims crt , is he cannot scare you off with threats from high powered lawyers and the threat off legal expenses of you win lose , because its excatly that small claims crt , there not allowed.,,,,go for it you feel you.ve been ripped off bite back .
Small amount to set it up but a real pain in the arse for high powered buisness men who light cigars with tenners cos they have to waste time showing up or pay someone too show for them .

Bit off luck they don't show and it can start getting serious for them if a magistrate feels he or she is being snubbed.
Mmmmm wonder what would happen if thousands wanted money back and went down that track , pretty much tie up a buisnessman for quite a while i suppose. be a real pain for him would'nt it

[whicker]

Do be aware that when you bought tickets online you might have agreed to terms and conditions that have been designed for exactly this situation.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Do be aware that when you bought tickets online you might have agreed to terms and conditions that have been designed for exactly this situation.

As I said previously, those terms and conditions still have to be backed by law. You cannot impose unreasonable terms and conditions on the purchase of a ticket for an event - as a consumer you still have statutory rights which remain unaffected.

Small claims courts are still risky, because you incur the costs of the court if you lose I believe - I had a dispute with someone who provided a PC which didn't work for 4 months after I bought it - in the end I was advised not to take it to court by local legal services, as they said that if I lost I could incur hefty costs.

[dondada]

Its a small claims court case - so basically - write to SN and demand your money
back - if they refuse go to the small claims court and file papers (about 40 quid and simple to do)to SN network in Herfordshire - anyone can take anyone else to a small claims court so Warren
(or one of his lackeys) will HAVE TO turn up to the hearing.

If enough of you who bought tickets take SN to the small claims court - he is going to give you a refund than try and fight it.

I went there once and my opponent didn't turn up so things were found for me in full. Sweet.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Sounds ironically much like certain boxing bills we have been discussing.

[whicker]

Do be aware that when you bought tickets online you might have agreed to terms and conditions that have been designed for exactly this situation.

As I said previously, those terms and conditions still have to be backed by law. You cannot impose unreasonable terms and conditions on the purchase of a ticket for an event - as a consumer you still have statutory rights which remain unaffected.

I know what you are saying, yeah, but in this case I think the defence would simply be that the consumer bought the ticket having been made fully aware that "The Bill can change without notice."

Specifically the See tickets terms are " Once purchased, tickets cannot be transferred, exchanged, refunded or returned unless the event is cancelled, moved to another date, or if details of the event are significantly changed after an order is placed (significant changes being a change of headline act (concerts only), venue or show time). "

So, if it were a CONCERT you could claim a refund, but not a boxing match.

However, it could be possible to argue that the main events both dropping out are a significant change.