FROCH-PASCAL RBR

[Asterix]

As someone said...

Calzaghe has never faced a fighter like Pascal.

Pascal is a very good fighter!!!!!

Pascal would beat the current Calzaghe.

Froch did well!!

Excellent fight - one of the best I have EVER seen innthe UK!!

Gwann,Froch!!!!

Do you seriously believe that? Kessler would definitely beat Pascal, and, on today's showing, would beat Froch as well. Never mind what Calzaghe would do.

[E]

Pascal a very sporting chap indeed

Yeah It was really refreshing to see a fighter who had given everything and been in a close fight being so philosophical and objective.

[Carbo]

Look i made a mistake when i said that, calzaghe has fought someone as fresh and hungry as Pascal, Kessler. But Froch can beat both of them. Calzaghe is way way over rated. Kessler is a better fighter than Calzaghe.

What a peanut brain.

Froch gets hit with everything, and if you think Pascal is better than Kessler, you will be in for a little bit of a shock.

I would be worried for Froch's health if he fought Kessler or Abraham or Dawson.

[bobcat]

Look i made a mistake when i said that, calzaghe has fought someone as fresh and hungry as Pascal, Kessler. But Froch can beat both of them. Calzaghe is way way over rated. Kessler is a better fighter than Calzaghe.

What a peanut brain.

Froch gets hit with everything, and if you think Pascal is better than Kessler, you will be in for a little bit of a shock.

I would be worried for Froch's health if he fought Kessler or Abraham or Dawson.

he also seems somewhat oblivious to the result of the previously mentionned J.C- Kessler meeting.maybe he didnt have time to watch the whole fight.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Froch has a chance against anyone with chin and heart issues, eg Taylor. Against guys like Kessler he has little chance IMO.

[Max Molyneux]

As someone said...

Calzaghe has never faced a fighter like Pascal.

Pascal is a very good fighter!!!!!

Pascal would beat the current Calzaghe.

Froch did well!!

Excellent fight - one of the best I have EVER seen innthe UK!!

Gwann,Froch!!!!

Calzaghe's workrate would end Froch and Pascal.

Froch got away with too much dirty tatics although he still won In a close fight.

Kessler Is the No 1 at Supermiddle.

[Autobarn]

Kessler is brilliant at what he does - jab, hold the middle of the ring, etc. But can he handle anything out of the ordinary? Bute is a smoother boxer than Froch, but can his chin hold up?

Froch made some mistakes, but the world is not static, and improvements can be made. Let's get one thing straihgt, he beat an opponent of talent, ambition who had a proper preparation, and who had some upside....I know Calzaghe is at the very top nowadays, but do we all forget the right hands that were bounced off his noggin circa 1997-2005?

I'd like to see Froch develop that jab and he won't take so many rights. His reach seems formidable - when he applies it. He won't have a long career if he doesn't change, but a stiff learning curve v good WBC challengers could be just what the Dr ordered.

It's a bit idiotic to say he won't beat x and has no chance of bearing y at super middle. Froch's career seems to have been arrested at every turn - injury, constant pullouts and delays due to opponents (going back to Brit/Euro level) - so he's done well to arrive at this point. He just needs to box a bit more sensibly and who knows what he can do.

[Autobarn]

Winning a fight like that on ITV can't hurt Froch's popularity.

[jamesmcdonnell]

My god, what a fight! It was reminiscent of Benn Eubank at times, I know that might seem a trite comparison, but that was probably the best fight I've seen since those days at 168 or nearby.

Pascal can come again, he showed a tonne of heart, and he really had Carl rocking, just couldn't cope with Carl's strength and tenacity in the end, but it was always competitive.

Carl I think wanted a tear up, he wanted to make a statement, and made it hard on himself, but that is also the mark of the man, he loves to fight, and that is a real asset if you want to sell yourself.

Bring on Froch v Kessler - that is a great fight, Kessler the slight favourite, but not sure if he will handle the power as well as pascal who seemed to have an anvil chin, will be close either way, but neither man needs to worry if he loses, as they will not be diminished by the loss.

[Bakunin]

Wow that was a great fight, all i saw of froch before was on youtube but tonight he showed he was an excellent fighter and he enter my top 4 of the division... some people said both fighter were hype jobs.. well tonight they showed they werent... They are for real, they can both go toe to toe and give a show... I must say, im very surprised, i underestimated Froch jab, boxing ability and stamina. I was nervous about Froch power and im happy Pascal got the UD, he's still young and he will have to work on his style a bit but i think we can say he can return in canada with his head up. It was a big step up for him and he will be back, he will have another shot at one of the belt for sure.

[stujones]

I think people could be going a little OTT here - it was a great fight and well done to Froch. However, Pascal has been hurt against other fighters, maybe Froch isn't the puncher we all think he is. Plus, light puncher Pascal did hurt (not stagger) Froch at times.

Kessler, hits harder than Pascal, has as good a chin as Pascal (when has Kessler been visibly hurt in his career), and is quicker and technically MUCH better than Froch.

Kessler beats Froch, easy. Froch is tailor made for him.

[Cannibal]

He might bypass Kessler altogether. Didn't Calzaghe drop Froch's name as a potential homecoming fight?

If Calzaghe is willing then that beats any payday Froch will ever receive in his entire career, and he will be an instant superstar if he wins, and would be able to get more pay days in the states afterwards.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Pascal Stu, to be fair, is also quicker and more mobile than Kessler, who tends to come in straight in and straight out.

Froch barely used the uppercut all night, he missed a great opportunity by doing so, think he got a bit overwrought. Every time Pascal dipped under the hook, he was wide open for the uppercut, Froch should have capitalised.

I think it is more a case of Froch overreaching with his shots, and poor shot selection rather than a lack of power per se.

Kessler has the better orthodox boxing skills, but he is not very versatile, he is similar in stature and strength to Froch, but he doesn't have the range of shots.

kessler looked good at time against Calzaghe, because joe is a 'short' puncher who relies on a short jab and hooks. Froch has a reach like a preying mantis, and when he chooses to an expansive jab and a great long right too.

Close fight, make nobody the favourite as such, but fancy froch to find a way to win.

[Bakunin]

Id say, just give Pascal what he deserve, he was slick, did a good job on the inside and made sure to avoid that uppercut. The only thing he couldn't handle was the jab and it made the difference.

[Carbo]

Pascal Stu, to be fair, is also quicker and more mobile than Kessler, who tends to come in straight in and straight out.

Froch barely used the uppercut all night, he missed a great opportunity by doing so, think he got a bit overwrought. Every time Pascal dipped under the hook, he was wide open for the uppercut, Froch should have capitalised.

I think it is more a case of Froch overreaching with his shots, and poor shot selection rather than a lack of power per se.

Kessler has the better orthodox boxing skills, but he is not very versatile, he is similar in stature and strength to Froch, but he doesn't have the range of shots.

kessler looked good at time against Calzaghe, because joe is a 'short' puncher who relies on a short jab and hooks. Froch has a reach like a preying mantis, and when he chooses to an expansive jab and a great long right too.

Close fight, make nobody the favourite as such, but fancy froch to find a way to win.

I just don't get this. I agree that Froch has attacking potential, but I think that we forget that Froch gets hit with virtually everything. I am sure that Kessler's right is a notch or two up in the power levels than anything PAscal had, and it is delivered with accuracy and regularity.

I see Froch having a moment or two, but being kept off balance for the most part by the jab and right. As the fight goes on, he'll be slowly broken down.

I just cannot see Froch beating any of the elite with that defence.

[Bakunin]

Pascal Stu, to be fair, is also quicker and more mobile than Kessler, who tends to come in straight in and straight out.

Froch barely used the uppercut all night, he missed a great opportunity by doing so, think he got a bit overwrought. Every time Pascal dipped under the hook, he was wide open for the uppercut, Froch should have capitalised.

I think it is more a case of Froch overreaching with his shots, and poor shot selection rather than a lack of power per se.

Kessler has the better orthodox boxing skills, but he is not very versatile, he is similar in stature and strength to Froch, but he doesn't have the range of shots.

kessler looked good at time against Calzaghe, because joe is a 'short' puncher who relies on a short jab and hooks. Froch has a reach like a preying mantis, and when he chooses to an expansive jab and a great long right too.

Close fight, make nobody the favourite as such, but fancy froch to find a way to win.

I just don't get this. I agree that Froch has attacking potential, but I think that we forget that Froch gets hit with virtually everything. I am sure that Kessler's right is a notch or two up in the power levels than anything PAscal had, and it is delivered with accuracy and regularity.

I see Froch having a moment or two, but being kept off balance for the most part by the jab and right. As the fight goes on, he'll be slowly broken down.

I just cannot see Froch beating any of the elite with that defence.

His defence is fear and he use his brain in the ring, however, Kessler i think i see him favorite against anyone except Calzaghe, Hopkins, Dawson, his jab is just way too good and if you can't neutralize it, your going to lose.

[lvlarc]

Great fight but lets not get ahead of ourselves. Pascal didn't look too good last time out when trying to hype up a possible fight against Miranda, infact he almost got stopped by Pittman....saved by the bell. This result hasn't changed much, still think Kessler takes Froch to school.

[Bakunin]

Great fight but lets not get ahead of ourselves. Pascal didn't look too good last time out when trying to hype up a possible fight against Miranda, infact he almost got stopped by Pittman....saved by the bell. This result hasn't changed much, still think Kessler takes Froch to school.

He did not almost get stopped by pittman, he got caught, he was stunned and had blurry vision, he did panic and did not get saved by the bell, he clinched for a while. I think we saw tonight that he grew from that experience, he slugged with the strongest puncher of the division and made the distance so enough with the paper chin story please... With that performance, i wouldn't be surprise to see him fight Miranda on HBO next year.

[Bard of Boxrec]

call me crazy, but i think froch would have more chance against Calzaghe than Kessler. Kessler is rock hard and is an all round beast. Calzaghe's chin has eroded recently and defensively is still open. If Hopkins can drop Joe, Froch can. but kessler would beat froch the same way he beat Andrade.

[Autobarn]

I don't think Froch is ready for a big fight just yet, but his title defences can get him ready.

All this talk about Taylor and Kessler being "too good" is a bit annoying. They both have great jabs, but both are one paced. They both use the left very well, but throw right hands that you can see a mile off. There's no clear top man at 168-pounds. Let's see who is willing.

If Taylor can hurt Froch, Taylor doesn't have the pace or aggression to press the issue! Does Taylor have the stamina to box well after the first 6 rds?

He deserves the belt, and Pascal proved he was worthy by playing his part in a bruising battle. No one else fancied it, no one else had any competitive spirit. Take the easy money is the motto in boxing. It's great we've got competitors like Froch.

Froch-Bute next year would be a great idea.

[Deserter]

All this talk about Taylor and Kessler being "too good" is a bit annoying. They both have great jabs, but both are one paced. They both use the left very well, but throw right hands that you can see a mile off.

The problem is that Froch still eats the right hands you can see a mile off. Kessler's far more technically sound than Froch and it's that which gives him a significant competitive advantage, as he can match Carl for strength and power.
As for Bute, after the Andrade scare there's no way in a million years his handlers will let him near Froch.

[Deserter]

Pascal a very sporting chap indeed

Yeah It was really refreshing to see a fighter who had given everything and been in a close fight being so philosophical and objective.

Guys, can someone elaborate on this - watched it live and although I Sky Plus-ed it the recording stopped after the Froch interview. I was worried Pascal would claim he was robbed as he genuinely seemed to think he'd won it in the immediate aftermah, so would love to hear what he had to say.

[Deserter]

Froch barely used the uppercut all night, he missed a great opportunity by doing so, think he got a bit overwrought. Every time Pascal dipped under the hook, he was wide open for the uppercut, Froch should have capitalised.

Froch's uppercut has always been one of his most potent weapons (the one he finished Magee off with nearly decapitated him) and so it was perplexing that he didn't throw it more given Pascal's tactics.
I think one of the issues is that Froch throws what I'd call a 'long' uppercut in that he really shifts his whole body weight behind it and extends it fully in a bid for the KO and while still at range rather than in tight, and on the few occasions he went for it Pascal made him miss big with it, so that might have dissuaded him from pursuing it. If he'd tightened it up and threw a more compact shot I think he'd have had more success.

[Autobarn]

All this talk about Taylor and Kessler being "too good" is a bit annoying. They both have great jabs, but both are one paced. They both use the left very well, but throw right hands that you can see a mile off.

The problem is that Froch still eats the right hands you can see a mile off. Kessler's far more technically sound than Froch and it's that which gives him a significant competitive advantage, as he can match Carl for strength and power.
As for Bute, after the Andrade scare there's no way in a million years his handlers will let him near Froch.

Let's not forget Taylor's fights with Pavlik, though. He doesn't like power and aggression. Froch appears to be a lot more talented (and unorthodox, which can throw ppl off) than Pavlik though both men take shots they don't have to take.

I don't think Froch is ready for anything really big yet like Calzaghe. However, let's not forget Calzaghe wasn't ready for the big fights after winning his vacant title, and Showtime boss Larkin said that Joe wasn't ready for big fights based on Reid and Starie performances.

My prediction is that Froch will gorw technically into his title, in technical terms.

[Deserter]

Let's not forget Taylor's fights with Pavlik, though. He doesn't like power and aggression. Froch appears to be a lot more talented (and unorthodox, which can throw ppl off) than Pavlik though both men take shots they don't have to take.

I don't think Froch is ready for anything really big yet like Calzaghe. However, let's not forget Calzaghe wasn't ready for the big fights after winning his vacant title, and Showtime boss Larkin said that Joe wasn't ready for big fights based on Reid and Starie performances.

My prediction is that Froch will gorw technically into his title, in technical terms.

I specifically referenced Kessler rather than Taylor though, as I believe Froch would beat Taylor. As for growing, my concern is that he's 31!