Classic American West Coast Boxing

Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

Dongee wrote:On Mario Trigo:

We were publicizing Art Aragon heavily at Hollywood Legion Stadium when he pulled away from us to accept Mario Trigo as an opponent at the Olympic Auditorium. We didn't like the match for him and told him so, but the bout went through.

The result was an upset win for Trigo who out pointed Art decisively in ten rounds. It was definitely a set-back for the "Golden Boy", who claimed he had been sickened by a faulty heater in his dressing room.

Mario Trigo was capable of baffling any opponent because of his unorthodox ring style, a switch hitter flicking punches from all angles.....an enigmatic sort that proved too much for our "Golden Boy".

The only man I ever saw that nailed Mario Trigo solidly to knock him out cold was Enrique Bolanos.

I hope this does it Rick.

Regards, Hap
Thank you, Hap. Your answer provided just what I was looking for, a little inside info relating to Art Aragon, what happened when he strayed from the Legion and, of course, a clearer picture of Mario Trigo. All I knew about the guy was that he was a tricky, unorthodox fighter, a southpaw who would switch up, as you mentioned. Guys like that are a nightmare. His record impresses me, especially if I dare compare it to that of today's protected boxers. I don't care about losses, look who he lost to. And look who he beat! The fact that it took a Bolanos to KO him says a lot.

I wasn't a part of that era, but came right afterward while many of the same personalities were around. If you recall Howie's Main Street Gym, in the locker room there would be small individual dressing rooms, usually belonging to a manager for his stable. Some of them would paint the names of the handlers and their fighters on the door. I recall the names on the doors when I was training. Manuel Dros, Johnny Villaflor, Lee Boren, Paddy Quaid, Johnny Indrasano, Duke Holloway, Mickey Davies, names like that. All had their own little rooms, with a couple lockers, a rubbing table, a couple chairs. There would be make-shift clothes lines stretched across the length of each room for boxers to hang there wet towels and gym wear, handwraps, etc. Maybe there was a scale?

This would be where I would hear the name Mario Trigo and many others. Trigo's photo hung on the wall above Howie's office. I was a curious kid, I was quiet, but not afraid to ask about fighters. In the gym, I found if I asked a few guys about somebody, most were happy to talk with me. They would be surprised I would know of these fighters. The truth is, I didn't, I just read the name on a door, or poster, and I'd ask who they were, how did they fight, what happened to them. I got the greatest education, and I recognize that some stories were filled with prejudice, or resentment, but different people would have a different story. Not everybody had the same opinion. Each story inspired questions, each taught me something, not just about the fighter but life in general.

Thanks for adding some color to my mind's picture of Mario Trigo. I think you know that anything you have to say about him, or any boxer, is appreciated here.

-Rick
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

Dongee wrote:A Bit More on Mario Trigo:

For a brief spell Trigo was under the management of lightweight boxer Joey Barnum. When they parted company one party challenged the other and what appeared to be a grudge match was made into a main event at Ocean Park Arena, where the more seasoned manager (Barnum) won a clear verdict over his former protege (Trigo). Strange, huh?

hap navarro
Hap . . . I saw Barnum was listed as one of his managers, and also saw that he fought Barnum. I know that Joey is kinda crazy. After he retired from boxing, well into his 70's, he attempted to get his boxing license again. He seriously hoped to fight a young boxers. The commission wisely refused his request, but promoter Ken Thompson, who admired Joey Barnum, allowed him to don his trunks and boxing gear and give a shadow boxing exhibition before the main event on one of his fight cards. This took place a few years ago. I know Joey was both a Bail Bondsman and a Bounty Hunter after retiring from the ring.

-Rick
Last edited by Rick Farris on 09 Dec 2008, 10:57, edited 1 time in total.
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

Randyman wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Interesting article on Castillo-Rose, Frank. Do you have page 5 so we can read the rest of it?

I thought the comment by Parnassus that he was through promoting at the Forum was interesting. The Forum's "retirement" from boxing lasted all of what? A month? :lol:
Goof to see you back Tom. I forgot to remind Rick, about the autograph from Muniz. Sorry :oops:
I'll see Mando Muniz this coming Saturday at a WBHOF Board meeting. I'll get his autograph for you, Tom. When I have it I'll let you know here and you can tell me where to send it.

-Rick
bennie
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 15244
Joined: 15 Nov 2002, 09:53

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by bennie »

raylawpc wrote:
bennie wrote:Keep an eye out for Martin Rogan, the big Belfast thumper who shocked Audley Harrison on a 10-round decision on the Khan-Fagan bill in London over the weekend. Unbeaten Rogan, 11-0 (5), has left it late to make an impact in the pro ranks at 37 but his win over Harrison might just snare him a big fight early next year, especially as he is backed by powerful British promoter F rank Warren.
You would like Rogan, an 'honest' heavyweight in the mould of former Belfast heavyweight star Danny McAlinden. Aggressive and iron-chinned, he was given no chance against the giant Harrison, a former Olympic champion with all the tools, but refused to allow better-boxing Audley to steal the rounds, as is Audley's mindset, and won the fight on 'will'.
A taxi driver by day, Rogan is totally, totally refreshing.


Image
Danny McAlinden - that's a name I haven't heard in a long-time.

Wasn't he the fighter who, as soon as the bell rang at the end of a fight, vaulted through the ropes and ran to the dressing room without waiting for the decision because he had to use the bathroom?

Iron-jaw - weak bladder.
I do seem to recall that story. I met Danny in 2006 in Belfast. A big, big guy and an absolute gentleman.
Despite my words, Danny was a bit 'chinny' but he was certainly exciting.
bennie
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 15244
Joined: 15 Nov 2002, 09:53

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by bennie »

Someone posted this on the British forum and it is an interesting read:

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?Ar ... egoryId=69
dagosd2000
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 8638
Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by dagosd2000 »

Expug wrote:
Randyman wrote:Rog, I'm glad to see you online. Jeri and I were worried about you and Maria, with that big plane crash in a San Diego neighborhood. Good to know you're okay!!

Randy :TU:
I thought the same thing Randy.
I'm glad that plane didnt get near Rog and Maria and family.
Thanks Guys
That jet did, however, crash less than a mile from the middle school that my grand daughter attends.
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Courtesy of Diego, of course... :TU:

The Italian Secret of
a Long Marriage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At Saint Mary's Catholic Church
they have a weekly husband's marriage seminar.

At the session
last week, the Priest asked Mario, who was approaching
his 50th wedding
anniversary, to take a few minutes and share some
insight
into how he had managed to stay married to the same woman
all these years.

Mario replied to the assembled husbands, 'Wella,
I've a-tried to
treat-a her nicea, spenda some quality time withe her,
buya her da nicey
gifts, but besta of alla is that I tooka her to Italy for
the
25th anniversary!'

The Priest responded,
'Mario, you are an amazing inspiration to all the
husbands here!
Please tell us what you are planning for your wife
for your
50th anniversary.'

Mario proudly replied, 'I'm
a-gonna let her come 'om
now.'
raylawpc
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4871
Joined: 21 Mar 2008, 17:21

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by raylawpc »

Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:E-mail from a friend

Boy! If this little girls voice doesn't bring a smile and a tear? Then you need rewound. PL

I'd seen the first one but not the second....and she just can't be only 6 years old...WOW is right....

PLEASE WATCH BOTH VIDEOS, THIS LITTLE GIRL IS INCREDIBLE...She is only six years old!

If you delete this without watching it, you are
missing one of the most amazing things ever. The
second video is even better than the first
one. Turn up your sound and enjoy:



Clip 1: http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/7383/1/ <http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/7383/1/>

Clip 2: http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/19214/1/ <http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/19214/1/>
I'm flabbergasted!! This little girl was given a gift from God. Unbelievable. :bow:
Randy, we have an identical show here in the USA called "America's Got Talent," which is broadcast over ten episodes late Summer right before the Fall Season begins. They always have cutesy kids like this girl on the show. This year, a four-year-old girl made it to the top ten finalists.

The show is actually very, very entertaining - my wife and I rearrange our Summer evenings to make sure we don't miss it. Seriously, its that good. I recommend that you watch it this coming Summer. I think its broadcast on NBC.
Last edited by raylawpc on 09 Dec 2008, 14:59, edited 1 time in total.
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Dongee
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 222
Joined: 29 Sep 2008, 19:19

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Dongee »

A bit of inside stuff from the dark ages:

When the Legion Stadium staff decided to get behind the promotion of Artie Aragon he quickly notched four wins, three of them admittedly over mediocre opposition. In those days (1949) only Chicago's Timmy Dalton could be regarded as a worthy opponent beaten by the heavy-hitting Golden Boy. But then Joe Louis chose Aragon for a spot on his opening show at Detroit, where classy Luther Rawlings decisioned Artie at the Olympia Stadium.

Back at his home base (the Legion) Aragon ran up a string of seven more wins before accepting the Mario Trigo bout at our cross town rival, the spacious Olympic Aud. And, sadlly, another setback. I was only an assistant matchmaker in those days but I remember well the discomfort the two losses caused Matchmaker Baron Von Stumme, who was really the first man to envision a bright future for Artie. Baron even arranged for Aragon to sign with Jimmy Roche as his manager, after being developed by Lee Boren, who was succeeded, although only briefly, by Barney Barnett.

It seems to me that there was a method in matchmaking in the old days. But it could only prove to be successful with the full co-operation of the fighter and his manager. One might even say that the Promoter/Matchmaker had a bit of control, charting the development and progress of a rising star attraction.

hap navarro
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Courtesy of Dan

Image
Frank, this is the write up on the 5th Art Aragon-Mario Trigo fight from Sept. 1st, 1954.

Dan
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image

Image
raylawpc
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4871
Joined: 21 Mar 2008, 17:21

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by raylawpc »

Dongee wrote:A bit of inside stuff from the dark ages:

When the Legion Stadium staff decided to get behind the promotion of Artie Aragon he quickly notched four wins, three of them admittedly over mediocre opposition. In those days (1949) only Chicago's Timmy Dalton could be regarded as a worthy opponent beaten by the heavy-hitting Golden Boy. But then Joe Louis chose Aragon for a spot on his opening show at Detroit, where classy Luther Rawlings decisioned Artie at the Olympia Stadium.

Back at his home base (the Legion) Aragon ran up a string of seven more wins before accepting the Mario Trigo bout at our cross town rival, the spacious Olympic Aud. And, sadlly, another setback. I was only an assistant matchmaker in those days but I remember well the discomfort the two losses caused Matchmaker Baron Von Stumme, who was really the first man to envision a bright future for Artie. Baron even arranged for Aragon to sign with Jimmy Roche as his manager, after being developed by Lee Boren, who was succeeded, although only briefly, by Barney Barnett.

It seems to me that there was a method in matchmaking in the old days. But it could only prove to be successful with the full co-operation of the fighter and his manager. One might even say that the Promoter/Matchmaker had a bit of control, charting the development and progress of a rising star attraction.

hap navarro
Hap,

Would you say that a classic example of that relationship existed in the development of Manuel Ortiz into bantamweight champion?

I recall that a number of Ortiz' important bouts were fought in Hollywood, and he fought for the bantamweight title at the Hollywood Stadium.
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Frank Bruno vs Lucien Rodrigeuz
April 1, 1985
Wembley, London
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Johnny Bratton
Dongee
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 222
Joined: 29 Sep 2008, 19:19

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Dongee »

Note for Tom:

It is quite possible that Manuel's manager, Tommy Farmer, had placed his trust in the Legion's Matchmaker Charley McDonald to move Ortiz into contention as a title challenger. The Olympic, always the larger venue, had been through a series of ups and downs in the years preceding Babe McCoy's tenure at the club. The Legion Stadium had a smell of success from the day the state-of-the-art arena rfeplaced the old wooden shack in 1938.

Additionally, Farmer and McDonald were practically neighbors, with Tommy residing on Afton Place, near the Legion Stadium and McDonald on Myrtle Avenue in the Hollywood hills. Chances are the two men visited often at the Matchmaker's office. Hymie Caplan, Champion Lou Salica's manager, had dealt with McDonald in the past.

hap navarro
Dongee
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 222
Joined: 29 Sep 2008, 19:19

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Dongee »

The Knockout ad that shows Chuey Figueroa entering the ring brings to mind the great promise that this youngster showed in his first 17 bouts, when he remained unbeaten. In a bit of strange matchmaking he faced a seasoned, hard-hitting veteran, Al Citrino, on the latter's ome turf and was sidetracked, losing by knockout after being dropped several times.

Citrino was on a comeback mission, appearing in his 100th fight and he would retire once more after just three more bouts. It seemed to those of us who followed Chuey's progress that he had little to gain from such a pairing.

hap navarro
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Frank Bruno with Slyvester Stallone Look a Like Richard Dennis
January 22, 1985
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Tony Zale and Jack Root
dagosd2000
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 8638
Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by dagosd2000 »

HELLO,GOOD BYE

I've been kicking this around for a while. Prior to the WBHOF Banquet,Rick had posted a couple of times that Gwen Adair wanted to meet me. OK,I never asked why. I knew I had posted something earlier how I thought Gwen looked like a good 'ol gal. A pal. A female who could hang with the guys and still keep her femininity. A gal you could have a good time with as long as you knew your boundaries. I think you get my point.

Well that weekend Dan pointed her out to me. OK,I know I'm with my wife,but that don't mean nothin'. Don't get me wrong. Everything was above board in my mind. (You can always dream though).I saw her as she checked in. I saw her at breakfast. Nothing. I thought really nothing of it. Then after the banquet,we're all sitting in the lounge having a cocktail when Rick brings Gwen over to our table.
"Gwen wants to know who Roger is".says Rick.
I give a little wave.
"Hi Gwen. Would you like to join us?"I posed the question.
"She looked at me with a smile.
"No thanks,I'm with friends."
With that,she turned and walked back to her friends' table.

OK,I'm all right with that.However, I'm still wondering why she wanted to know who I was?
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Interesting article on Castillo-Rose, Frank. Do you have page 5 so we can read the rest of it?

I thought the comment by Parnassus that he was through promoting at the Forum was interesting. The Forum's "retirement" from boxing lasted all of what? A month? :lol:
Welcome back, Tom, I knew you couldn't stay away from the good 'OL USA, no, I don't have page 5, sorry. Parnassus?, hell, he was just pissed off for the moment..... :lol:
Well, the Kiwi's wouldn't grant me politicial asylum. The fact that President Obama will probably tax the hell out of me wasn't considered sufficient grounds to grant asylum. Oh well . . .
Oh well, you can always join Bucky in his closet, I'm sure he'll grant you politicial asylum,.... :lol:

Image
Randyman
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3705
Joined: 20 Jul 2008, 20:19

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Randyman »

dagosd2000 wrote:HELLO,GOOD BYE

I've been kicking this around for a while. Prior to the WBHOF Banquet,Rick had posted a couple of times that Gwen Adair wanted to meet me. OK,I never asked why. I knew I had posted something earlier how I thought Gwen looked like a good 'ol gal. A pal. A female who could hang with the guys and still keep her femininity. A gal you could have a good time with as long as you knew your boundaries. I think you get my point.

Well that weekend Dan pointed her out to me. OK,I know I'm with my wife,but that don't mean nothin'. Don't get me wrong. Everything was above board in my mind. (You can always dream though).I saw her as she checked in. I saw her at breakfast. Nothing. I thought really nothing of it. Then after the banquet,we're all sitting in the lounge having a cocktail when Rick brings Gwen over to our table.
"Gwen wants to know who Roger is".says Rick.
I give a little wave.
"Hi Gwen. Would you like to join us?"I posed the question.
"She looked at me with a smile.
"No thanks,I'm with friends."
With that,she turned and walked back to her friends' table.

OK,I'm all right with that.However, I'm still wondering why she wanted to know who I was?
I recall the moment Rog. I was wondering what that was all about myself. She was friendly enough and she stayed with us for a couple of minutes. I thought it a bit odd that she would ask that and then leave without any explanation. Of course when all else fails we can always just rely on the old stand by "Wimmen"!. I mean who can figure'em. My old man couldn't so who the hell am I to try and figure them out. A strange but very necessary species. Maybe she wants to be painted.

Randy :DDD
Randyman
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3705
Joined: 20 Jul 2008, 20:19

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Randyman »

kikibalt wrote:Image
Frank Bruno with Slyvester Stallone Look a Like Richard Dennis
January 22, 1985
Bruno looks to be in good shape in this photo. Really lean. I remember him always being in good shape but never this lean. Bruno was a somewhat underrated heavyweight but all things considered he only lost 5 times and for the most part it was to good competition. Good photo. Richard Dennis does look like Stallone.

Randy :TU:
Post Reply