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raylawpc wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:A BLIND EYE

I'm blind in my right eye. Not a blackness,but a blur. Everything is a blur. If the left was like the right,I wouldn't be typing this. I wouldn't be driving my car. All I do all day is squint.
"Are you all right? Have you been to the eye doctor?"they say.
Yeh,I went. Have a big cataract in my right eye. They'll do surgery to get it removed and replace the lense. Makes me think I'm a camera.

I don't like seeing doctors,but living with one good eye is becoming a drag. Besides my "good" eye ain't that good 'cause I've always worn glasses.

Well I've got a Japanese surgeon and a Jewish corneologist. That makes me feel good. I may be considered somewhat artistic ,but I'll leave the paintin' and the writin' to the dreamers like myself. When it comes to eye surgery,I'll take a guy who thinks art is Elvis on black velvet.
Have the surgery Roger; you'll be glad you did. My step-mother and about a half-dozen of my clients have had it done, and every one of them was thrilled with the outcome.
Tom
I can't wait either. Doc said it will take ten minutes. I wish he could do it tomorrow. Here's squinting at you. :TU: Rog
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Rick Farris wrote:Hi Rick. I was brought in at the last minute to work in Memphis Al Jones’ corner against Kirkman. I never met him before that night. He showed up in Dallas without a cornerman and, when that happened, I generally had to work the corner. Al, of course, was just an opponent for Kirkman that night, and I remember Pat O’Grady telling me to do my best to get Al into the fifth round. Kirkman dropped Al twice in each of the first two rounds, as I recall, and when I sent Al out for the third, I thought it would be the last round. That turned out to be a correct prediction, but not in the way I imagined.

If memory serves, Kirkman decked Al early in the round. But as Kirkman moved in for the finish, Al landed the hardest punch I have ever seen in person – an absolutely devastating right hand. It was like the punch Bob Foster landed on Mike Quarry, except a right instead of a left. And the effect on Kirkman was the same as Foster’s punch on Mike – out cold for about 5 minutes and another 10 or 15 minutes before they could get him out of the ring. When he first went down, I thought the punch had literally killed him. I specifically remember thinking, “My God, I’ve actually seen a man killed in the ring.”

Not long ago, Kirkman gave an interview in which he stated that he was only knocked off balance against Al, and really knocked out when his head hit the canvas. With all due respect to Kirkman, that is just complete and total bull shit. I was there, sitting not 10 feet away in Jones’ corner. I saw what happened. Kirkman’s head did hit the canvas, but he was out before he ever got there.

Despite his record, Jones actually had some natural ability and a few skills. (In 1969, for example, he stopped a good young fighter named Tony Longoria in LA, but I don’t know the circumstances of that win. Maybe Frank remembers.) And, of course, Al had that right hand. But he was thrown to the wolves so often early in his career that he had absolutely no self-confidence. If he had gotten off to the right start, I think he could have been a pretty good fighter.

Oh, one more thing - Jones may have been listed somewhere at 6' 5" But he was really about 6' 3".
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Tom . . . Thanks for the info on Memphis Al Jones and I agree that he was much better than his record indicates. You really brought back a personal memory of Jones KOing Pat O'Grady's Texas heavyweight, Tony "Kid" Longoria. I was at the fight which took place at the Forum on a card that featured Ruben Olivares. Longoria was unbeaten and a KO hitter, favored to whip Jones, just like Kirkman had been. I'd been reading about Longoria for a couple of years and was wondered how he would fare against some of our L.A. heavyweights. However, after seeing him easily KOed by Jones, I realized that Longoria would have been killed if matched with the likes of Jerry Quarry and company. Never saw Longoria again.

The reason Yank Durham was so concerned over Frazier facing a very tall heavyweight was Joe's '64 Olympic Trials loss to Buster Mathis, who was about 6'3" and nearly 300 lbs. when he defeated Frazier in the Olympic trial finals. Mathis broke his thumb before the Tokyo games, thus putting team alternate Joe Frazier as our heavyweight rep and the rest is history. Thanks for the heads up on Al Jones incorrectly being listed at 6'5". I can understand Durham's concern, but Eddie Futch had Frazier primed to bomb Memphis Al's body before leveling him with a "cherry picker" left hook to the chin.

-Rick
Hi Rick: I can tell you a bit about Longoria, whom I heard a lot about through my association with the O’Gradys. Longoria was Pat O’Grady’s hope for a world champion, and Pat really believed Longoria would make it to the top. Longoria was like a son to O’Grady. Tony came from a bad family situation, and actually lived with the O’Gradys from the time Longoria was about 14 or 15-years-old until he lost to Jones. Pat was his legal guardian.

On one occasion, O’Grady set up the 8 mm film projector and showed me several films of Longoria in action. On film, he appeared to have a lot of potential. He was not a terribly big heavyweight, but he looked quick and appeared to have good power with both hands. He had very good fundaments. On film, it looked like he took a good punch. Frank, who saw him live, confirmed to me a year or so ago that Longoria appeared to be the real deal, and was a potentially good fighter. (I hope I'm quoting you correctly, Frank.) Pat thought so much of Tony’s chances that he moved the whole family to LA for the sole purpose of advancing Tony’s career.

Something happened before the Jones fight that soured Longoria on boxing; what it was I either don’t remember or O’Grady never told me. But Pat always said Longoria’s head wasn’t right for the fight, and he made a very poor effort. After the loss, Longoria quit boxing and moved back to Texas. He also severed all contact with the O’Grady’s, which deeply hurt both Pat and Jeannie on a personal level.

Over the first several years that I knew him, O’Grady kept track of where Longoria was and what he was doing. Remember, Longoria was only about 20-years-old when he lost to Jones, and Pat hoped Longoria would decide to get back into boxing but, of course, he never did.[/quote]
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Tom . . . I didn't see Longoria's earlier fights in L.A. and have to admit I forgot he had fought in L.A. prior to Jones. The Jones KO was the only fight I saw. I took some time to dig up a little on Tony Longoria and it's said that he fell in love before the Jones fight and was distracted? After one loss, he packed it in. It's not the first time I've seen big KO punchers get flattened and their careers suddenly go south. If it was a woman, I totally understand that they kill fighters.

Ironically, a few years ago when I was working on "Desperate Housewives", I asked Eva Longoria if she was related to, or had ever heard of, a heavyweight boxer named Tony Longoria. Eva was also from Texas so I thought there might be some connection. The actress just smiled and said, "No. There are a lot of Longoria's in Texas."

-Rick
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Rick, I love it that you asked Eva Longoria if she was related to the fighter Tony Longoria.
See, as you know , thats the way boxing people think.
Every damn thing somehow relates to boxing.Its a great thing and its a great way to look at the world.
Let the "citizens" worry about typical trivial nonsense. Boxing people got it figured out.

I remember recently asking my sons friends Mom who's maiden name is Stanton, if she was related to "Irish" Larry Stanton.
She said no and looked at me like I was a lunatic.
So naturally every time I see her now, I call her "Irish" Larry.
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A CLASSIC CHRISTMAS

A gift of promise for the Boxrec boys
For our childrens' children a lot of toys
Randy, Rick and Scar keep writin' about pugs
Pug,big Irish, you deserve all the hugs

Tom ,will be defend, he's a counseling pro
As long as his clients have enough dough
Across the sea Bennie will write
About the Continent's next big fight

Then there's our mentors, Frank and Hap
They tell us of the time and then take their nap
We're the BoxRec boys our friendship will last
The stockings filled with memories of boxing of the past
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dagosd2000 wrote:A CLASSIC CHRISTMAS

A gift of promise for the Boxrec boys
For our childrens' children a lot of toys
Randy, Rick and Scar keep writin' about pugs
Pug,big Irish, you deserve all the hugs

Tom ,will be defend, he's a counseling pro
As long as his clients have enough dough
Across the sea Bennie will write
About the Continent's next big fight

Then there's our mentors, Frank and Hap
They tell us of the time and then take their nap
We're the BoxRec boys our friendship will last
The stockings filled with memories of boxing of the past
Rog is Dickens. :TU:
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F uck me, Holyfield nearly beat Valuev. Well done, Valuev. He held back.
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Rick & Monica Farris . . . Today, in the snow along Angeles Crest Hwy.
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dagosd2000 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:A BLIND EYE

I'm blind in my right eye. Not a blackness,but a blur. Everything is a blur. If the left was like the right,I wouldn't be typing this. I wouldn't be driving my car. All I do all day is squint.
"Are you all right? Have you been to the eye doctor?"they say.
Yeh,I went. Have a big cataract in my right eye. They'll do surgery to get it removed and replace the lense. Makes me think I'm a camera.

I don't like seeing doctors,but living with one good eye is becoming a drag. Besides my "good" eye ain't that good 'cause I've always worn glasses.

Well I've got a Japanese surgeon and a Jewish corneologist. That makes me feel good. I may be considered somewhat artistic ,but I'll leave the paintin' and the writin' to the dreamers like myself. When it comes to eye surgery,I'll take a guy who thinks art is Elvis on black velvet.
Have the surgery Roger; you'll be glad you did. My step-mother and about a half-dozen of my clients have had it done, and every one of them was thrilled with the outcome.
Tom
I can't wait either. Doc said it will take ten minutes. I wish he could do it tomorrow. Here's squinting at you. :TU: Rog
Rog,

Frankie had it done on both eyes..... :oo
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bennie wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:A CLASSIC CHRISTMAS

A gift of promise for the Boxrec boys
For our childrens' children a lot of toys
Randy, Rick and Scar keep writin' about pugs
Pug,big Irish, you deserve all the hugs

Tom ,will be defend, he's a counseling pro
As long as his clients have enough dough
Across the sea Bennie will write
About the Continent's next big fight

Then there's our mentors, Frank and Hap
They tell us of the time and then take their nap
We're the BoxRec boys our friendship will last
The stockings filled with memories of boxing of the past
Rog is Dickens. :TU:
Classic..... :TU:
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Rick & Monica Farris . . . Today, in the snow along Angeles Crest Hwy.
Rick is COOL.
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raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: Tom . . . Thanks for the info on Memphis Al Jones and I agree that he was much better than his record indicates. You really brought back a personal memory of Jones KOing Pat O'Grady's Texas heavyweight, Tony "Kid" Longoria. I was at the fight which took place at the Forum on a card that featured Ruben Olivares. Longoria was unbeaten and a KO hitter, favored to whip Jones, just like Kirkman had been. I'd been reading about Longoria for a couple of years and was wondered how he would fare against some of our L.A. heavyweights. However, after seeing him easily KOed by Jones, I realized that Longoria would have been killed if matched with the likes of Jerry Quarry and company. Never saw Longoria again.

The reason Yank Durham was so concerned over Frazier facing a very tall heavyweight was Joe's '64 Olympic Trials loss to Buster Mathis, who was about 6'3" and nearly 300 lbs. when he defeated Frazier in the Olympic trial finals. Mathis broke his thumb before the Tokyo games, thus putting team alternate Joe Frazier as our heavyweight rep and the rest is history. Thanks for the heads up on Al Jones incorrectly being listed at 6'5". I can understand Durham's concern, but Eddie Futch had Frazier primed to bomb Memphis Al's body before leveling him with a "cherry picker" left hook to the chin.

-Rick
Hi Rick: I can tell you a bit about Longoria, whom I heard a lot about through my association with the O’Gradys. Longoria was Pat O’Grady’s hope for a world champion, and Pat really believed Longoria would make it to the top. Longoria was like a son to O’Grady. Tony came from a bad family situation, and actually lived with the O’Gradys from the time Longoria was about 14 or 15-years-old until he lost to Jones. Pat was his legal guardian.

On one occasion, O’Grady set up the 8 mm film projector and showed me several films of Longoria in action. On film, he appeared to have a lot of potential. He was not a terribly big heavyweight, but he looked quick and appeared to have good power with both hands. He had very good fundaments. On film, it looked like he took a good punch. Frank, who saw him live, confirmed to me a year or so ago that Longoria appeared to be the real deal, and was a potentially good fighter. (I hope I'm quoting you correctly, Frank.) Pat thought so much of Tony’s chances that he moved the whole family to LA for the sole purpose of advancing Tony’s career.

Something happened before the Jones fight that soured Longoria on boxing; what it was I either don’t remember or O’Grady never told me. But Pat always said Longoria’s head wasn’t right for the fight, and he made a very poor effort. After the loss, Longoria quit boxing and moved back to Texas. He also severed all contact with the O’Grady’s, which deeply hurt both Pat and Jeannie on a personal level.

Over the first several years that I knew him, O’Grady kept track of where Longoria was and what he was doing. Remember, Longoria was only about 20-years-old when he lost to Jones, and Pat hoped Longoria would decide to get back into boxing but, of course, he never did.
Tom....You're quoting me correctly, seeing Longoria fight before the Jones fight, I thought he had lots of potential, he had a good punch, good moves, the one thing I thought he had against him was that he was hooked-up with O'Grady.... :wink:
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bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Rick & Monica Farris . . . Today, in the snow along Angeles Crest Hwy.
Rick is COOL.
Rick is a cool cat... but Monica is cooler.... :bow:
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kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Rick & Monica Farris . . . Today, in the snow along Angeles Crest Hwy.
Rick is COOL.
Rick is a cool cat... but Monica is cooler.... :bow:
Oh yeah, but I'm English. We shake the man's hand first, then we think "she's a foxxxxx."
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Any of you guys remember this Philco Radios?
I do, as we had one when I was a kid, I'll bet
Hap had one also, did you Hap?
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Rick & Monica Farris . . . Today, in the snow along Angeles Crest Hwy.
Great photo, but if that shot was taken in Chicago this morning, you wouldn't even see Rick or Monica in the picture. Just parkas and wool and fur. 5 degrees below zero, my friends. Turned the key on my set of wheels at 6am, she whined, struggled and then took off. Made it to work by 7am, but there were alot of spin-outs on the way in. Thankfully, none of them were mine. Brrrrrr, hope you're coping Brian.

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Today is remarkably pleasant in Blighty, mild and fresh.
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scartissue wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Rick & Monica Farris . . . Today, in the snow along Angeles Crest Hwy.
Great photo, but if that shot was taken in Chicago this morning, you wouldn't even see Rick or Monica in the picture. Just parkas and wool and fur. 5 degrees below zero, my friends. Turned the key on my set of wheels at 6am, she whined, struggled and then took off. Made it to work by 7am, but there were alot of spin-outs on the way in. Thankfully, none of them were mine. Brrrrrr, hope you're coping Brian.

Scartissue
Rick and Monica are a great looking couple thats for sure.
These two walk into a room and it lights up. Ive seen it first hand.

Yeah Scar its brutal outside , and winter just started!
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Gifted Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez takes on dangerous Texan Juan Diaz in a world class lightweight 12-rounder in Houston on February 28.
Marquez is the man who has a fantastic 12-round draw with pound-for-pound champ Manny Pacquiao on his resume, back in May 2004. The legendary Filipino then made Marquez wait four years for a rematch and looked desperately lucky to scrape a split decision after 12 thrilling rounds earlier this year in Las Vegas. To me the smooth-boxing, aggressively inclined, sharp-hitting Marquez was robbed. Given that Pacquiao then battered Oscar De La Hoya in eight shockingly one-sided rounds, it shows you what a good fighter Marquez is. Juan Manuel came back from the whole disappointment - and moved up to lightweight - to hammer Cuban star Joel Casamayor in 11 impressive rounds in Las Vegas in September last to take his record to 49-4-1 (36).
"Baby Bull" Diaz, a whopping 10 years younger than Marquez at 25, and the home man, is a solid, strong-looking fighter at 34-1 (17). His only defeat came earlier this year in Mexico where Nate Campbell schooled and outpointed him over 12 rounds. It was a shock defeat, and a costly one. Diaz dropped three major world lightweight belts to the ageing Floridian, who showed all his experience to ride out Diaz's early attacks before busting him up and dominating the later rounds. Still, most fighters gain from defeat, especially a young fighter like Diaz, who had never really gone to the well before - and he went to the well to outscore Aussie warrior Michael Katsidis in a gut-wrenching thriller last time out in September to secure this one.
Diaz is a good fighter, an improved fighter; his raw strength and aggression should blend well with that of the more refined Marquez's, but even at home and much more accustomed to lightweight than Marquez, Diaz will still seriously struggle, one feels. Marquez boxes and punches his way to an exciting decision.
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bennie wrote:F uck me, Holyfield nearly beat Valuev. Well done, Valuev. He held back.
Bennie

I had the "privelage" of watching Valuev - Holyfield on the net. A truly dreadful, dreadful fight but for what's its worth, I thought Holyfield had easilly done enough to win. I am lucky enough to have met Earnie Shavers on a few occasions and even at his age now (approximately 60) he would clean out the heavyweight division.

Rob
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Boxingnut wrote:
bennie wrote:F uck me, Holyfield nearly beat Valuev. Well done, Valuev. He held back.
Bennie

I had the "privelage" of watching Valuev - Holyfield on the net. A truly dreadful, dreadful fight but for what's its worth, I thought Holyfield had easilly done enough to win. I am lucky enough to have met Earnie Shavers on a few occasions and even at his age now (approximately 60) he would clean out the heavyweight division.

Rob
I have to admit, Rob, I didn't watch it. I'm just glad it's over.
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Benitez was right at his peak in April 1982, three months after playing with Duran.
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bennie wrote:
Boxingnut wrote:
bennie wrote:F uck me, Holyfield nearly beat Valuev. Well done, Valuev. He held back.
Bennie

I had the "privelage" of watching Valuev - Holyfield on the net. A truly dreadful, dreadful fight but for what's its worth, I thought Holyfield had easilly done enough to win. I am lucky enough to have met Earnie Shavers on a few occasions and even at his age now (approximately 60) he would clean out the heavyweight division.

Rob
I have to admit, Rob, I didn't watch it. I'm just glad it's over.
I'm just glad I didn't watch it....:lol:
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Rick & Monica Farris . . . Today, in the snow along Angeles Crest Hwy.
Looks like Rick knows how to beat the cold :D
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