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Expug wrote:Rick, I love it that you asked Eva Longoria if she was related to the fighter Tony Longoria.
See, as you know , thats the way boxing people think.
Every damn thing somehow relates to boxing.Its a great thing and its a great way to look at the world.
Let the "citizens" worry about typical trivial nonsense. Boxing people got it figured out.

I remember recently asking my sons friends Mom who's maiden name is Stanton, if she was related to "Irish" Larry Stanton.
She said no and looked at me like I was a lunatic.
So naturally every time I see her now, I call her "Irish" Larry.
You're so right, Brian. Recently I was working with a make-up artist named Jose Zamora. Jose was no fighter but I told him of the great bantamweight champ, Alphonso Zamora, how he was one of the hardest hitters of his era. Jose knew nothing of boxing, but when he mentioned the boxer's name to his father he said his dad was elated. Pop knew who the champ was and appreciated my relating him to the family.

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THE CHRISTMAS TREE

When me and the wife finally tied the knot we were living in a shack in Tijuana in a dark cold canyon. My livelyhood was managing the Garden Department for Whitefront Department Store located across from the defense plants on Pacific Highway. I was clearing a mighty 72 dollars a week. I knew people livin' in that canyon in Tijuana that were making more money than me.

Whitefront wasn't doin' so well at the time. The building was old and need of repairs,but because the store was on the brink of going under the company wasn't going to send someone out there to fix the leaky pipes. However around Christmas time things perked up a little. Especially where I was at in the Garden Department. Don't get me wrong. When I started I didn't know the difference between a rose and a weed. Finally I learned that a weed is a flower that doesn't belong in someone's garden. So if you have a rose growin' where it doesn't belong,it's a weed. If you're growin' a bed of dandelions, then they're flowers.

Around Christmas time the Christmas Tree lot always did good business. In fact I always had to re order because we'd sell the trees real fast. I remember one Christmas Eve. All the trees had been sold except one. This tree came in with the last shipment. It must have been crushed under the pile because its branches were all busted and the pine needles,most of them,had fallen off. It was a runt of a tree anyway ,so as a joke I tied it to a post in front of the store.

Like I said it was Christmas Eve,very late.I sent everyone home early. Business was nil. Besides all the trees were gone except the little lonesome pine that was tied up. Well I'm counting my drawer when this Mexican guy comes up from behind . He's holding a little boy's hand.
"Sir,"he proceeds. "I see you have one more tree. Can I buy?"
"I'm sorry we're sold out."
"No you have one more."
He then points to the banged up little tree tied to the post. I looked at the guy. He was shivering as was his son. The kid couldn't have been more than eight or nine. Dark skin,full head of hair,and black saucer eyes.
"Go ahead take it,"I said. "It has your name on it."
The father and son then quickly went over and untied the tree.They were speaking fast in Spanish. I couldn't make out what they were saying.
"Thank you."said the man. His son was holding the tree.
I finished counting my drawer and turned off the lights. As I brought the drawer inside the store,I heard the man say something to his son in Spanish. It sounded like "Vaya con Dios."
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Randyman wrote:
bennie wrote:F uck me, Holyfield nearly beat Valuev. Well done, Valuev. He held back.
I didn't see the fight but according to at least one article that I read Holyfield was robbed.
I haven't seen it yet either, but I read the same thing. If "they" (whoever they are) think they can keep these drowning oaf's heads above the water with bad decisions, they are wrong. None of the big Eastern European's can fight. They have no ability, no courage, no nothing. I predict David Haye will send big brother Lurch Klitschko back into retirement, then, if the powers to be will allow him into the same ring with the younger Lurch, and then Nicolai "No Value" Valuev, maybe we can move beyond the hapless Russian brigade and focus on those who might posess the two most important things a boxer must have- BALLS!

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bennie wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:A CLASSIC CHRISTMAS

A gift of promise for the Boxrec boys
For our childrens' children a lot of toys
Randy, Rick and Scar keep writin' about pugs
Pug,big Irish, you deserve all the hugs

Tom ,will be defend, he's a counseling pro
As long as his clients have enough dough
Across the sea Bennie will write
About the Continent's next big fight

Then there's our mentors, Frank and Hap
They tell us of the time and then take their nap
We're the BoxRec boys our friendship will last
The stockings filled with memories of boxing of the past
Rog is Dickens. :TU:
Our Roger is BRILLIANT! :TU:
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Bobbin & Weavin wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
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Rick & Monica Farris . . . Today, in the snow along Angeles Crest Hwy.[/quot

I hope Rick is getting her in before her curfew! :DD
Bobbin & Weavin
Bruce, she's going to love that one :TU:
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Photo Courtesy of John Bardelli . . .

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Boxing and the film industry have been holding hands for more than a century. Many former boxers, including myself, found work in the motion picture world after leaving boxing. Many appear on film, and many work behind the camera. I want to tell you about studio laborer, a former featherweight contender from the 30's, Lew Feldman. Lew fought Henry Armstrong for the welter title, Kid Chocolate for the Jr. Lightweight crown and five other world champs. He fought out of the "Brownsville" part of Brooklyn, was handled for a time by Ray Arcel. His son and I became friends on a Michael Landon production, and from there I'd learn of his father. I'll get back to Lew Feldman in a later post. He was a helluva fighter in a tough era.

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dagosd2000 wrote:THE CHRISTMAS TREE

When me and the wife finally tied the knot we were living in a shack in Tijuana in a dark cold canyon. My livelyhood was managing the Garden Department for Whitefront Department Store located across from the defense plants on Pacific Highway. I was clearing a mighty 72 dollars a week. I knew people livin' in that canyon in Tijuana that were making more money than me.

Whitefront wasn't doin' so well at the time. The building was old and need of repairs,but because the store was on the brink of going under the company wasn't going to send someone out there to fix the leaky pipes. However around Christmas time things perked up a little. Especially where I was at in the Garden Department. Don't get me wrong. When I started I didn't know the difference between a rose and a weed. Finally I learned that a weed is a flower that doesn't belong in someone's garden. So if you have a rose growin' where it doesn't belong,it's a weed. If you're growin' a bed of dandelions, then they're flowers.

Around Christmas time the Christmas Tree lot always did good business. In fact I always had to re order because we'd sell the trees real fast. I remember one Christmas Eve. All the trees had been sold except one. This tree came in with the last shipment. It must have been crushed under the pile because its branches were all busted and the pine needles,most of them,had fallen off. It was a runt of a tree anyway ,so as a joke I tied it to a post in front of the store.

Like I said it was Christmas Eve,very late.I sent everyone home early. Business was nil. Besides all the trees were gone except the little lonesome pine that was tied up. Well I'm counting my drawer when this Mexican guy comes up from behind . He's holding a little boy's hand.
"Sir,"he proceeds. "I see you have one more tree. Can I buy?"
"I'm sorry we're sold out."
"No you have one more."
He then points to the banged up little tree tied to the post. I looked at the guy. He was shivering as was his son. The kid couldn't have been more than eight or nine. Dark skin,full head of hair,and black saucer eyes.
"Go ahead take it,"I said. "It has your name on it."
The father and son then quickly went over and untied the tree.They were speaking fast in Spanish. I couldn't make out what they were saying.
"Thank you."said the man. His son was holding the tree.
I finished counting my drawer and turned off the lights. As I brought the drawer inside the store,I heard the man say something to his son in Spanish. It sounded like "Vaya con Dios."
Rog, you did it again.... :TU: :bow: :bow:
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Another great story teller


A rainy day makes movie critic of columnist
By Al Martinez

There is snow on the palm trees in old L.A.

Even as I write, it is falling in places where it has rarely fallen before, dusting the city of endless summers with a powdery substance that has the natives puzzled.

In West Hollywood, a screenwriter at a Christmas party suffered a severe case of nose frostbite trying to snort it.

In Malibu, they considered it God's frothy ice and scooped it up by the golden buckets full to mix into their margaritas.

Blizzard conditions have closed I-5 over the Grapevine and Highway 15 to Las Vegas, creating a brotherhood of survivors. Trapped by the weather, real people are leaving their cars and their semis to look around and wonder.

The effete owners of BMWs are talking to hairy-chested truckers. Women whose hands have never touched dishwater are chatting with women who clean houses for a living. We huddle together in bad times. The spirits snuggle.

I am not in all of that snowy, sleety, rainy, windy weather on this particular night of what appears to many in L.A. as apocalyptic weather. I am tucked into a warm room of my house, like a bear in its winter lair, watching free movies.

Each year, studios with hope in their hearts mail out what they consider to be films worthy of one of many awards coming up, including those for the best screenwriting of 2008.

Because I am a Writers Guild member, I receive and have viewed many in the pile. It is better to be inside doing this than outside doing anything. Although I love rain, I am not one to prance about in a blizzard for either ritualistic or entertainment purposes.

What I offer today are brief rundowns on a few of the more notable films in the pot. Do not consider these as reviews. Reviews are written by people like Kenneth Turan who truly know what they're talking about. These are, well, utterances, that rate the movies on a Dorothy Parker scale of one to five martinis:

The movies:

"Changeling" -- This stars Angelina Jolie and her lips, with a screenplay by J. Michael Straczynski. Overcoming Jolie's insistence that he write roles for her 70 or 80 adopted children, he instead turned out the story of a kidnapped kid, a bad substitution, lying L.A. cops . . . the usual. Jolie plays Jolie playing Jolie, and everyone loves her. Charlize Theron could have done it better, but her lips are too thin. One martini and an olive.

"The Visitor" -- Real critics have called this film about a lonely college professor whose life is reanimated by a pair of illegal immigrants "life affirming" and "brilliant" with "nuanced performances," and many other stock phrases that can be purchased on the Internet. Starring Richard Jenkins, who learns to play bebop on African drums, and written and directed by Thomas McCarthy, who could wring laughter from a rhino. Not bad. Two martinis, straight up, hold the fruit.

"Milk" -- I missed portions of this because I turned away during scenes of men kissing. I am not homophobic and I voted no on Proposition 8, but I just don't like to see men kissing. I personally do not kiss men, and when they seem to want to, as many affectionate liberals do, I back away. The movie starring Sean Penn (and a lot of cute guys) with a screenplay by Dustin Lance Black is about the 1978 murder of gay San Francisco County Supervisor Harvey Milk and straight Mayor George Moscone. Warning: Certain scenes may not be suitable for kindergartners or men from the Midwest. Three cosmopolitans.

"Burn After Reading" -- This is so crazy that I love it. I left it twice to fix a martini and then to fix another martini, this time without olives, and don't believe that I missed anything. You could start watching it in the middle and go either way and it would still work. Written and directed by the Coen brothers, who were temporarily off their medication, it's about spies, bumbling conspirators, illicit love and everyone falling down and going boom at the end. Four martinis and a cold shower. "Burn" is not recommended for those with serious emotional disorders. They might be able to figure out the story line and ruin the fun.

"Frost/Nixon" -- This is a love story between a disgraced former American president and an unemployed British television version of Regis Philbin. Peter Morgan wrote the screenplay based on his stage play based on the 1977 televised interviews in which Richard Nixon (Frank Langella) and David Frost (Michael Sheen) go at it. There is no sex in this movie and no pounding score, which means it will probably not appeal to anyone under 25. An animated remake with Brad Pitt as Nixon's voice and a sober Paris Hilton as a female David Frost voice would probably make it more palatable for those who prefer amusement over history. As is, two straight shots and a joint.

Th-th-th-that's all, f-f-f-folks!
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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:THE CHRISTMAS TREE

When me and the wife finally tied the knot we were living in a shack in Tijuana in a dark cold canyon. My livelyhood was managing the Garden Department for Whitefront Department Store located across from the defense plants on Pacific Highway. I was clearing a mighty 72 dollars a week. I knew people livin' in that canyon in Tijuana that were making more money than me.

Whitefront wasn't doin' so well at the time. The building was old and need of repairs,but because the store was on the brink of going under the company wasn't going to send someone out there to fix the leaky pipes. However around Christmas time things perked up a little. Especially where I was at in the Garden Department. Don't get me wrong. When I started I didn't know the difference between a rose and a weed. Finally I learned that a weed is a flower that doesn't belong in someone's garden. So if you have a rose growin' where it doesn't belong,it's a weed. If you're growin' a bed of dandelions, then they're flowers.

Around Christmas time the Christmas Tree lot always did good business. In fact I always had to re order because we'd sell the trees real fast. I remember one Christmas Eve. All the trees had been sold except one. This tree came in with the last shipment. It must have been crushed under the pile because its branches were all busted and the pine needles,most of them,had fallen off. It was a runt of a tree anyway ,so as a joke I tied it to a post in front of the store.

Like I said it was Christmas Eve,very late.I sent everyone home early. Business was nil. Besides all the trees were gone except the little lonesome pine that was tied up. Well I'm counting my drawer when this Mexican guy comes up from behind . He's holding a little boy's hand.
"Sir,"he proceeds. "I see you have one more tree. Can I buy?"
"I'm sorry we're sold out."
"No you have one more."
He then points to the banged up little tree tied to the post. I looked at the guy. He was shivering as was his son. The kid couldn't have been more than eight or nine. Dark skin,full head of hair,and black saucer eyes.
"Go ahead take it,"I said. "It has your name on it."
The father and son then quickly went over and untied the tree.They were speaking fast in Spanish. I couldn't make out what they were saying.
"Thank you."said the man. His son was holding the tree.
I finished counting my drawer and turned off the lights. As I brought the drawer inside the store,I heard the man say something to his son in Spanish. It sounded like "Vaya con Dios."
Rog, you did it again.... :TU: :bow: :bow:
Is "Vaya con Dios" Happy Christmas?
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BoxBuzz wrote:Can anyone here help identify any of these folks? Image


See hyperlink for more info.......with a name like CaliforniaJed doing the requesting, I'm thinking it may be a west coast connection somehow.

http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=94025
This picture has been bothering me. I can't say I recognise anyone but the dude at the far left has been nagging at me. It's his ex-pug's nose that finally clicked. Isn't that a young or younger Freddie Brown? Rick, you met Brown when you sparred with Duran, what do you think?

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bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:THE CHRISTMAS TREE

When me and the wife finally tied the knot we were living in a shack in Tijuana in a dark cold canyon. My livelyhood was managing the Garden Department for Whitefront Department Store located across from the defense plants on Pacific Highway. I was clearing a mighty 72 dollars a week. I knew people livin' in that canyon in Tijuana that were making more money than me.

Whitefront wasn't doin' so well at the time. The building was old and need of repairs,but because the store was on the brink of going under the company wasn't going to send someone out there to fix the leaky pipes. However around Christmas time things perked up a little. Especially where I was at in the Garden Department. Don't get me wrong. When I started I didn't know the difference between a rose and a weed. Finally I learned that a weed is a flower that doesn't belong in someone's garden. So if you have a rose growin' where it doesn't belong,it's a weed. If you're growin' a bed of dandelions, then they're flowers.

Around Christmas time the Christmas Tree lot always did good business. In fact I always had to re order because we'd sell the trees real fast. I remember one Christmas Eve. All the trees had been sold except one. This tree came in with the last shipment. It must have been crushed under the pile because its branches were all busted and the pine needles,most of them,had fallen off. It was a runt of a tree anyway ,so as a joke I tied it to a post in front of the store.

Like I said it was Christmas Eve,very late.I sent everyone home early. Business was nil. Besides all the trees were gone except the little lonesome pine that was tied up. Well I'm counting my drawer when this Mexican guy comes up from behind . He's holding a little boy's hand.
"Sir,"he proceeds. "I see you have one more tree. Can I buy?"
"I'm sorry we're sold out."
"No you have one more."
He then points to the banged up little tree tied to the post. I looked at the guy. He was shivering as was his son. The kid couldn't have been more than eight or nine. Dark skin,full head of hair,and black saucer eyes.
"Go ahead take it,"I said. "It has your name on it."
The father and son then quickly went over and untied the tree.They were speaking fast in Spanish. I couldn't make out what they were saying.
"Thank you."said the man. His son was holding the tree.
I finished counting my drawer and turned off the lights. As I brought the drawer inside the store,I heard the man say something to his son in Spanish. It sounded like "Vaya con Dios."
Rog, you did it again.... :TU: :bow: :bow:
Is "Vaya con Dios" Happy Christmas?
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt
Bennie..here is a link that might be helpful in tranlating.
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Cheers, Frankie. :TU:
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Aussie sensation Vic Darchinyan defends his unified world super-flyweight title against brash Mexican Jorge Arce in a sizzler in California on February 7
Southpaw Darchinyan, quick, rangy, unorthodox and dangerous, secured his rare undisputed status with a dazzling nine-round knockout of Cristian Mijares just last month in California - a man who had licked Arce. Styles make fights, of course, and the strong, all-action, heavy handed Arce is one of those perennial threats after 56 fights as a pro (51 wins). Still only 29, three years younger than Darchinyan, Arce has come back well from the Mijares pasting last year with five solid wins and holds two stoppages of Hussein Hussein, another good Aussie.
He certainly enjoys a battle.
Darchinyan, 31-1-1 (25), came through a sticky patch himself recently when he was poleaxed by a Filipino and held to a draw by another. He then overwhelmed Russia's Dimitri Kirilov in five rounds to capture the IBF super-flyweight belt earlier this year in the States and dominated Mijares for the latter's WBC and WBA belts. It made Vic the first undisputed champ in the 30-year history of the super-flyweight division.
This one cannot fail to provide excitement as both men go at it hard, head and body, whipped up by a big crowd. Arce, a pro at 16, looks a bit battle-weary and might be ready to go, but then again, Darchinyan looks a bit chinny and might be a tad vulnerable, mentally, after all the Mijares plaudits. Fighters can be caught 'flat' in the wake of a huge win. Plus, two big fights back-to-back are no easy task for anyone.
Ultimately, the Mijares comparison splits the two. The relentless Darchinyan must be favoured to bust up tough Jorge and to break him up in nine or 10 rounds.
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scartissue wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Can anyone here help identify any of these folks? Image


See hyperlink for more info.......with a name like CaliforniaJed doing the requesting, I'm thinking it may be a west coast connection somehow.

http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=94025
This picture has been bothering me. I can't say I recognise anyone but the dude at the far left has been nagging at me. It's his ex-pug's nose that finally clicked. Isn't that a young or younger Freddie Brown? Rick, you met Brown when you sparred with Duran, what do you think?

Scartissue
That looks like a great call, Dan.
You know, in the most recent edition of Boxing Monthly they showed a pic of Freddie Brown with a young Duran - and labelled Freddie "Ray Arcel".
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THE GIFT GIVER

I told you about the orphanages in Tijuana. Maybe you'd think they're in need. In a practical way ,they're not. I go to a few of them. They're off the old road going to Rosarito. The kids go to the local school. A bus picks them up and brings them back. The milk man delivers milk for free every morning. There's a big stainless steel kitchen. Lots of clothes and toys. The local business organizations like Rotary and Lions make sure everything is in order.

The thing that's not provided is parents. The orphens always approach every visitor as someone who's going to take them home and be their new Mommy or Daddy. That's why I don't go to the orphanages much anymore. I'd go back to my van and there's 20 kids piled inside. Telling them I couldn't take them with me was awful . I'd cry all the way back.

What I do now is load up the van with gift donations and drive to TJ and go to a poor barrio. I pick out a house with a lot of little kids outside. That's where I deliver the gifts. It usually goes like this.

I'll see someone near by. I'll ask if the family inside has a lot of kids. When I get the nod,I go to the door. A mother or grandmother in tatters will open the door. I point to my van. Its doors open.
"Los regalos. Para ti."
I'll get a pause. A look. I wave them on. Then everyone inside emerges and takes the the lawn bags full of clothes and toys inside the house.

Not a word is spoken . They're trying,probably, to understand what this meant. As I watch the last of the bags go inside,I only say one thing.
"Vaya con Dios."
I then get in the van and cry all the way back.
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dagosd2000 wrote:THE GIFT GIVER

I told you about the orphanages in Tijuana. Maybe you'd think they're in need. In a practical way ,they're not. I go to a few of them. They're off the old road going to Rosarito. The kids go to the local school. A bus picks them up and brings them back. The milk man delivers milk for free every morning. There's a big stainless steel kitchen. Lots of clothes and toys. The local business organizations like Rotary and Lions make sure everything is in order.

The thing that's not provided is parents. The orphens always approach every visitor as someone who's going to take them home and be their new Mommy or Daddy. That's why I don't go to the orphanages much anymore. I'd go back to my van and there's 20 kids piled inside. Telling them I couldn't take them with me was awful . I'd cry all the way back.

What I do now is load up the van with gift donations and drive to TJ and go to a poor barrio. I pick out a house with a lot of little kids outside. That's where I deliver the gifts. It usually goes like this.

I'll see someone near by. I'll ask if the family inside has a lot of kids. When I get the nod,I go to the door. A mother or grandmother in tatters will open the door. I point to my van. Its doors open.
"Los regalos. Para ti."
I'll get a pause. A look. I wave them on. Then everyone inside emerges and takes the the lawn bags full of clothes and toys inside the house.

Not a word is spoken . They're trying,probably, to understand what this meant. As I watch the last of the bags go inside,I only say one thing.
"Vaya con Dios."
I then get in the van and cry all the way back.

Rog...you've a hell of a good heart, I..... :bow: :bow: :bow: to you.
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scartissue wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Can anyone here help identify any of these folks? Image


See hyperlink for more info.......with a name like CaliforniaJed doing the requesting, I'm thinking it may be a west coast connection somehow.

http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=94025
This picture has been bothering me. I can't say I recognise anyone but the dude at the far left has been nagging at me. It's his ex-pug's nose that finally clicked. Isn't that a young or younger Freddie Brown? Rick, you met Brown when you sparred with Duran, what do you think?

Scartissue
Well Scar, could be? I do recall Brown had a smashed up nose and from the side I guess it could be him. To be honest, I don't recognize any of those in the above photo. Wish I could be more helpful. Maybe if Hap drops in he'll recognize the guys above.

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Sorry, Rick, but your old standby is at a loss to recognize those fellows, all of whom look like they had a few rough encounters in the ring. That is a fine shot of what looks like a group of pros from the days when men wore hats, suits and ties. It would be interesting to find out just who they were.
The photo of Pop Foster posted a bit earlier reminded me of the day I first met the man. He popped into the matchmaker's office at Hollywood wearing that same sweater he has on in the photo posted here. Jimmy was always dressed to the nines.......Pop had that sweater on every time I saw him.

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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Mel Epstein told me that Dave Shade had an "educated left hand".
He could jab in a variety of ways that would keep opponents off-
balance, breaking their timing. Many years later, Mike Tyson would
tell me that Shade was one of Cus D'Amato's all-time favorites.
A master boxer. (Image courtesy of John Bardelli)

-Rick Farris
A few pages back I asked Frank if he could access any of the stories from the boxing writers that were on that poster. Tad,Damon Runyan,Dan Parker,et al. Those guys wrote about the Dave Shades,Jack Brittons,Johnny Dundees,and the Bennie Leonards. The pugs who had 250 fights. The dawn of the scientific fighter. I have some old newspapers with reporting on the fights done by these writers. Sometimes I go to the newspaper archives on line to read about the fight the day after.

The last one I read was a New York Times review of the Leonard/Britton fight for Jack's Welter Title. Benny lost on a foul. Now there have been a lot of Jewish fight historians that have proclaimed that Benny didn't want Jack's title so he fouled the Irishman. That never settled right with me so I looked up the story from back when the fight happened 80 years ago. There was a round by round analysis. Britton was outpointing Leonard. Jack was ahead on the cards. It sounded like Benny's added weight had slowed him down.

Hap and Frank go back,but to go back further, going on line to the archives can give us some good obsrevations from the guys who were there.
Another theory is that Leonard went into the tank. Billy Gibson, his manager, was known to have mob connections. An old-timer (I don't remember who) told me years ago that Gibson approached Leonard in the dressing room, and told him that the fix was in. Benny had too much pride to lay down or lose a decision, so he fouled Britton when the opportunity presented itself.

That scenario doesn't quite wash with me. I've always thought that, in those days, if a fight ended on a foul it was "all bets off." Maybe somebody who knows more about that era can correct me if I'm wrong.

I also can't imagine that Benny deliberately lost because he was uninterested in holding the welterweight crown. If he didn't want it, why challenge for it? Why go to the time and expense of training for a fight if he didn't want the title? And, why did he sign to challenge Mickey Walker for the welterweight title in 1924 if he wasn't interested in being welterweight champion? That Walker fight would have come off if only Benny hadn't broke his thumb in a tune-up match against Pal Moran.

The truth may be what Benny said immediately after the fight. He was frustrated with his performance and just momentarily lost his head.
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dagosd2000 wrote:THE GIFT GIVER

I told you about the orphanages in Tijuana. Maybe you'd think they're in need. In a practical way ,they're not. I go to a few of them. They're off the old road going to Rosarito. The kids go to the local school. A bus picks them up and brings them back. The milk man delivers milk for free every morning. There's a big stainless steel kitchen. Lots of clothes and toys. The local business organizations like Rotary and Lions make sure everything is in order.

The thing that's not provided is parents. The orphens always approach every visitor as someone who's going to take them home and be their new Mommy or Daddy. That's why I don't go to the orphanages much anymore. I'd go back to my van and there's 20 kids piled inside. Telling them I couldn't take them with me was awful . I'd cry all the way back.

What I do now is load up the van with gift donations and drive to TJ and go to a poor barrio. I pick out a house with a lot of little kids outside. That's where I deliver the gifts. It usually goes like this.

I'll see someone near by. I'll ask if the family inside has a lot of kids. When I get the nod,I go to the door. A mother or grandmother in tatters will open the door. I point to my van. Its doors open.
"Los regalos. Para ti."
I'll get a pause. A look. I wave them on. Then everyone inside emerges and takes the the lawn bags full of clothes and toys inside the house.

Not a word is spoken . They're trying,probably, to understand what this meant. As I watch the last of the bags go inside,I only say one thing.
"Vaya con Dios."
I then get in the van and cry all the way back.

Roger, this message is from my wife Monica, who is most touched by what you write. Often, she is in tears, as she is now, after reading your words. As I sit at the comptor I'll often ask if she wants to hear Roger's latest story and she always drops what she's doing for a moment to read what you have written. Here is what she wanted me to write to you:

I often read your stories, Roger. They are very touching and beautiful. Often I am reminded of my life in Brazil. I would one day love to go to Tijuana with you and Maria and join in when you give gifts. In Brazil, I was a cosmetologist, and would often donate my time and services cutting hair for those who could not afford it. Ricky and I collect clothing during the year from friends who have beautiful wardrobes that they no longer use. We send it to Brazil, where my family distributes it to those in need. My father was the mayor of a small town in Bahia called Terra Nova, my mother was a school principal. My two older brothers are a dentist, and chemical engineer and I have a sister who is an architect. We were lucky to receieve a good education, but even so, things were tough. We moved to Salvador (the capitol of the state of Bahia) when I was young. Salvador, unlike Terra Nova, is a big city and despite it's beachside beauty, things are very challenging. Life can be dangerous, there is a great deal of desperation. Intelligent tourists do not wear fancy watches, etc. on the streets. As I reached my teens, my mother passed away and my new step mother put us all out on the street. I learned to survive but I did not follow the path of others put in such a situation. I was able to get by without stealing or selling myself. Eventually I found my way to Portugal where I found work, then Europe and then here. People in this country take so much for granted. I know what it is like to be hungry, not to have a doll to play with, to be bullied. The police in Brazil are corrupt, as in most third world countries. However, I love people and I love life. Like Maria, I've worked cleaning houses, taking care of children as a nanny, I worked as an interpreter, a hair stylist/make-up artist, I've built and reconditioned furniture, as a kid would make popsicles and sell them on the beach to tourists, whatever it took to survive. I always had a passion for dancing and did so in stage plays and also in shows during Carnival season. In Brazil, we do the Samba and I was dancing from the time I could walk, later being paid for it while involved with a Brazilian dance company. Despite the poverty and danger of Brazil, the culture of those in the North east is very relaxed and mellow. In Rio and Sao Paulo things are a lot more hectic. By the way, Sao Paolo's mayor is a former boxer, Eder Jofre, Ricky tells me. When we go to Brazil this year, Ricky will interview Jofre and, if necessary, I will translate. Ricky is learning to speak Portugese, but wants me to help him.

Reading your stories reveals a tremendous heart, a very special person. Please excuse me for interfering here, I know this forum is not my place, it's for you, Ricky and rest of your friends. However, your words and actions bring tears of happiness to my eyes. You have heart. God Bless you!

-Monica Farris
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"The Prayer"

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[quote="Dongee"]Sorry, Rick, but your old standby is at a loss to recognize those fellows, all of whom look like they had a few rough encounters in the ring. That is a fine shot of what looks like a group of pros from the days when men wore hats, suits and ties. It would be interesting to find out just who they were.
The photo of Pop Foster posted a bit earlier reminded me of the day I first met the man. He popped into the matchmaker's office at Hollywood wearing that same sweater he has on in the photo posted here. Jimmy was always dressed to the nines.......Pop had that sweater on every time I saw him.

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Hap . . . Thanks for the memory of Pop Foster and Jimmy MacLarnin. Several years ago I was given a great photo of a very young Jimmy MacLarnin, early in his pro career. In the photo, the young fighter is dressed to the nines, as you said, and kneeling down tossing dice. Sharp dresser, sharp look out of his eye. He looked every bit the champ he would become. I'm going thru a lot of stuff that I've removed from storage and eventually will come across that photo and I'll have Frank post it here for the guys to see.

By the way, Hap. I want to wish you and your family a blessed Xmas. I thoroughly enjoyed speaking with your son Dan a few years back, and I hope you will tell him I said hello and send him my best. Thank you for taking the time to drop into this thread and share your brilliant history with us. We value and respect you.

-Rick
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Little Pancho

"Little Pancho" (real name Eulogio Tingsun) was the younger half-brother of the great Pancho Villa. He started his boxing career in Manila and made his way to the U.S. via Hawaii, fighting all over California including L.A.'s Olympic Auditorium and the Hollywood Legion Stadium, where in 1942, he was KOed by Manuel Ortiz in seven rounds. Young Pancho died in 1969 at age 57.

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