Prospects that aren't going to the Olympics

rottboxing · Post by **rottboxing** » 01 Apr 2004, 11:03

Who are the guys that aren't going to the Olympics, but are true prospects as well. I know that many times decisions are politically biased in Olympic Development programs, so after the games, what cream will rise to the top?
Any thoughts?

GOLJAT WARRIOR · Post by **GOLJAT WARRIOR** » 07 Apr 2004, 15:16

rottboxing wrote:Who are the guys that aren't going to the Olympics, but are true prospects as well. I know that many times decisions are politically biased in Olympic Development programs, so after the games, what cream will rise to the top?
Any thoughts?

Super heavyweight Robert Helenius from Finland:

Here is a lot of info abaut him:

http://www.boxing.fi/sa.php?lid=69&lan=1

Onekrazyrican · Post by **Onekrazyrican** » 21 Apr 2004, 22:12

check this case
Carlos Valcarcel from Puerto Rico he went to sidney when he was 18 lost to current WBO champ Omar Narvaez. When Cotto and the rest of the olimpians signed he decided to wait 4 more years and go to athens being fully mature for the ocasion. Ok in the process he won several medals in intl competitions.

Well theres this other kid Joseph Serrano (18) who was fighting at 106 in all those competitions and winning hes a sparring partner of Ivan Calderon
but decided to move up to 112 getting beat by Valcarcel in the local competitons for the title. So Valcarcel feels hes set to bring a medal to puerto rico now that hes 22 and a true veteran.

Well just weeks before the mexico tournament he falls ata home accident and gets cut on his forehead. Doctor sez he cant go to mexico but hell be ready for the Brazil tournament so he asks the comitee not to send anyone to mexico so he can try and qualify in Brazil. BUT they sent
joseph serrano who cualified in mexico for the 112 pounds spot!!

Now hes asking to fight Serrano for the olimpic slot and theres a controversy. So heres a question about it. Does the olimpic spot belong to the country or the fighter? The local comitee sez its the fighter who qualified who has to go to the olimpics while Valcarcel is trying to prove its the country's spot and the fighter can be challenged for the right to
represent his country. Valcarcel has been crying his ass out he sez its not about money he couldof turn pro when Narvaez did but he wanted an olimpic medal and now its been taken away from him.

mapp35 · Post by **mapp35** » 22 Apr 2004, 16:42

Karl Dargan

KO123 · Post by **KO123** » 23 Apr 2004, 20:45

Not going but GOOD Prospects...

Matt Godfrey
Marcus Johnson (if he discides to turn pro instead on sticking around)
Juan McPhearson
Devon Alexander
Keith Mason
Lamont Peterson
Anthony Peterson
Aaron Garcia
Torrence Daniels
Raberto Benetez (didn't win the qualifiers to go to the Olympics) look for him at 115

This is the cream of the crop of the us prospects. Most of them if not all of them should win a world title in the pro ranks.

Petu v.d. Pajm · Post by **Petu v.d. Pajm** » 27 Apr 2004, 02:22

As far as I know (and it definitely WAS this way), spots are personal so Puerto Rico can do NOTHING to replace Serrano with Valcarcel. Even if Serrano would withdraw from games, his spot could not be fulfilled by someone else from Puerto Rico. It would likely either go to the fighter who was the last one to be eliminated from games in Qualification Tournament or just be left empty.

Jdahl · Post by **Jdahl** » 29 Apr 2004, 15:27

I was in the Army with Torrence Daniels on the World Class Athlete team, he has really fast hands, but not a lot of power, I know because we sparred with each other for awhile. Also I fought Roberto Benitez at the US Championships in 1997 he is a good stand up boxer, being left handed always gave him and advantage in the amateurs.

Onekrazyrican · Post by **Onekrazyrican** » 24 May 2004, 12:44

Petu v.d. Pajm wrote:As far as I know (and it definitely WAS this way), spots are personal so Puerto Rico can do NOTHING to replace Serrano with Valcarcel. Even if Serrano would withdraw from games, his spot could not be fulfilled by someone else from Puerto Rico. It would likely either go to the fighter who was the last one to be eliminated from games in Qualification Tournament or just be left empty.

well just an update on the case i had posted before and petu youre right. Valcarcel did all he could to try and claim back his olipic spot to no avail

His first pro fight will be this tuesday in Miami against mexican Rafael Solis who will also be making his first fight. Keep an eye on Valcarcel this guy can be one solid champ some day. Unfortunatelly he couldnt get the kind of deal he wouldof make 4 years ago right off the olimpics and might have a hard time to get himself noticed in the near future :(

Onekrazyrican · Post by **Onekrazyrican** » 27 May 2004, 12:56

well he started with a good step winning a 2nd round tk over Roberto Solis who was also making his pro debuthttp://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=255621

Onekrazyrican · Post by **Onekrazyrican** » 27 May 2004, 12:57

well he started with a good step winning a 2nd round tk over Roberto Solis who was also making his pro debut

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=255621

Justin · Post by **Justin** » 12 Jun 2004, 01:48

It's an outrage that Juan McPherson isn't in the olympics to begin with, but that's a long story... he's going to not only be damn good, he's the next great Welter or Middleweight. Mark my words, print out this post, laminate it, frame it, do whatever you have to to remember that "Justin said Juan McPherson is going to be a great". I'm talking All-time P4P stuff here, folks. Just a prediciton, though.

Reeso · Post by **Reeso** » 22 Jun 2004, 12:20

Darren Morgan

ivstova · Post by **ivstova** » 08 Jul 2004, 08:30

ivstova · Post by **ivstova** » 08 Jul 2004, 08:47

You forgot me, Ivan Stovall ranked #3 2004-light- heavyweight

I fought Andre Ward Twice, The first one at 2003 US Championships, when he won a decision 14-0. But don't be fooled by that computer scoring
because we fought like 2 months later in Inglewood, CA when the score was
3-2. I beat his butt, and even his own family , and his friends came up to me and said I won that fight. He made the 2004 Olympic Team and to get
there he beat 2 guys that I already crushed. One was Yukeince Andio who I beat 4 times in Cali, and the other Jacob Garrettson who I beat 2 times also( in the US Championships & Olympic trials. And to top it all off, I fought all these so call prospects with a Hernia on my left side.
You must have not seen my fight with Marcus Johnson either have you.
I had that boy on the ropes for 4 rounds straight in the finals of US Championships.

ivstova · Post by **ivstova** » 08 Jul 2004, 09:04

It's not an outrage that Juan Mcpherson isn't in the Olympics. If you saw what happen, you would have a different opinon believe me. Juan was getting his ass handed to him on a plater. Andre Berto was all over him and was winning the fight easily. But your boy Juan was holding Berto so much that if Berto had money on him, Juan would have stole it.
Juan is a very good fighter, very tall for his weight, but I've seen him get rock in almost every fight. So if you think he is going to be Pound 4 Pound, you better call him right now and tell him not to go to Middleweight.

BigTex · Post by **BigTex** » 08 Jul 2004, 18:36

Marcus Johnson out of killeen, dude is super fast for a lightheavy..He got robbed he should have made the trip to athens.

ivstova · Post by **ivstova** » 09 Jul 2004, 02:41

First of all, Marcus is not super fast. He is really strong for his age, but he was just to slow for Andre Ward. Andre made him look silly in the Olympic Trials

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 09 Jul 2004, 14:05

I understand McPherson will be boxing for Haiti in Athens due to his parentage. Am I wrong to think this?

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 09 Jul 2004, 14:10

It's Andre Berto who's boxing for Haiti!

ivstova · Post by **ivstova** » 12 Jul 2004, 02:53

I also heard that Vanes Martiorsyan 152pds from USA beat Andre Berto in the Americas Olympic Quailfing Tournment 25-21.
But Berto already beat Vanes at the Olympic Trials. And was still disqualified.

babyhuey · Post by **babyhuey** » 22 Jul 2004, 21:21

ivstova wrote:You forgot me, Ivan Stovall ranked #3 2004-light- heavyweight

I fought Andre Ward Twice, The first one at 2003 US Championships, when he won a decision 14-0. But don't be fooled by that computer scoring
because we fought like 2 months later in Inglewood, CA when the score was
3-2. I beat his butt, and even his own family , and his friends came up to me and said I won that fight. He made the 2004 Olympic Team and to get
there he beat 2 guys that I already crushed. One was Yukeince Andio who I beat 4 times in Cali, and the other Jacob Garrettson who I beat 2 times also( in the US Championships & Olympic trials. And to top it all off, I fought all these so call prospects with a Hernia on my left side.
You must have not seen my fight with Marcus Johnson either have you.
I had that boy on the ropes for 4 rounds straight in the finals of US Championships.

did you ever fight marcus pernell?????

ivstova · Post by **ivstova** » 23 Jul 2004, 03:04

did you ever fight marcus pernell?????[/quote]

Yes, he's a really nice guy. We fought at the 2004 US Championships.
Man..... that guy is one tuff mother. I won the fight. The score was 16-1.
But Like I said before don't just look at a score. Listen to what the fighter has to say about it all!! Answer this Question?????
Through the whole fight, Do You Think he hit me only Once, and I hit him only 16 times...... Well I'm telling you the point system fucken Sucks.
He hit more than 1 time. And I hit that Guy about 2 dozen punches. It was
a tuff fight, but the judges made it look easy as cake.
Here I am telling you all of this , and I wanted to let you and every body know that .... Fighting Marcus Pernell was way harder than with Andre Ward. In fact that fight with the Olympian was easy compared to Marcus.

Rage · Post by **Rage** » 23 Jul 2004, 03:52

Nicky Macdonald.

Superb Boxer... not as good as me but he's good!

babyhuey · Post by **babyhuey** » 23 Jul 2004, 19:11

ivstova wrote:did you ever fight marcus pernell?????

Yes, he's a really nice guy. We fought at the 2004 US Championships.
Man..... that guy is one tuff mother. I won the fight. The score was 16-1.
But Like I said before don't just look at a score. Listen to what the fighter has to say about it all!! Answer this Question?????
Through the whole fight, Do You Think he hit me only Once, and I hit him only 16 times...... Well I'm telling you the point system fucken Sucks.
He hit more than 1 time. And I hit that Guy about 2 dozen punches. It was
a tuff fight, but the judges made it look easy as cake.
Here I am telling you all of this , and I wanted to let you and every body know that .... Fighting Marcus Pernell was way harder than with Andre Ward. In fact that fight with the Olympian was easy compared to Marcus.

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marcus is a cool dude, hes 2-0 as a pro now, i think he will do good for himself, i agree with you on the points system, i watched many of my boxers get robbed, so i sat behind one of the judges table to see how many clicks thet score, and i found that kids who throw alot of punch combos rarely get credit for more than 2 punches scored, boxers who pick one or two clean punches get more credit, even though they throw less punches, the saying- he who throws the most punches wins, dosent really apply anymore, its not a good system
as for marcus he has quick hands, are you pro or going pro anytime soon???

ivstova · Post by **ivstova** » 26 Jul 2004, 03:24

are you pro or going pro anytime soon???[/quote]
No, I'm not pro yet, I just had a Hernia sergery, I was out of training for
8 weeks, so you can imagine how disapointed I have been seening and hearing all my boys turning pro. I will have my debut on Oct 13th. Do you know if Marcus Pernal turned pro at Light-Heavy weight? Because I been thinking to move down to Middle weight.
Watch out for me , ok The name I mean.....
Ivan " Sitting Bull " Stovall, because I will be the next Champion.
Have you seen Jermain Taylor, he's good but he hasn't fought nobody with any skills whatso ever, He's fast but only when he's in there with a snail. You just watch in the future, they say he's the next bernard Hopkins, I don't think so!!! The Middle weight divison will be wide open with great talent like , Anre Dirrell, Anthony Dirrel, Andre Ward, Juan Mcpherson, Andre Berto, and of course me.

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Daniels & Benitez

Your forgetting another Guy , Me Ivan Stovall

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Juan Mcpherson

Marcus was like a turtle compared to Andre Ward

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