Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

Ernie Terrell by Diego(Computer Geek) Esty

You got it!...

[dagosd2000]

Beau Jack

[Rick Farris]

The Lodge . . .

I'll miss the place. I'll miss the people, and the atmosphere. It was not a dark, creepy bar. You looked out to ponds and tropical, rustic beauty. Joe was usually there when I showed up, and he knew boxing like we do. Boxing was never a boring conversation with Joe, or Tino, a retired Mexican politician now living in the Valley. Talking with Tino took me below the border and back to the days of Saldivar, Medel, Napoles, even Beccera.

I'll also miss the girls . . . Cristina, a 26-year-old aspiring singer with a college degree in pre-med. Cris gave up a career in medicine, leaving her home in Maryland with a band and headed west. After a few gigs in L.A. the band broke up and Crissy V (her stage name) took a job waiting tables and eventually behind the bar at the Lodge. Cristina was born in Panama and came to America when she was five. She was a jock thruout her youth and had a love of boxing and kick boxing, which she was involved with when we met. Of course, I had to show her to box properly and I did. That girl can fight and she will be my ace-in-the-hole when the day comes I interview Roberto Duran, or any of the Panamanians. She knows about all of them, and I believe with her camera friendly looks, understanding of the Panamanian culture, knowledge of the fighters and great voice, she might enhance an interview? We'll see? She's recently taped her first music video. Gwen Adair met and loved her. We'll see what the future brings. Cristina well have a bright one, her energy is right.

Kittiya is from Thailand, late 20's, has a 13-year-old daughter. Like Cristina, she's a drop dead knockout, "Kitty" as she's called by those not willing to take the time to learn how a persons name is pronounced, spends everyday working. When not at the Lodge Kittiya was either attending beauty school, which she recently graduated from, or watching over her own hair and beauty salon on Sunset Blvd. in the Silverlake area. She works 7 days a week, takes care of her daughter who is in middle school. Kittiya's face often shows the fatigue of a mother packing ten days into a seven day week. She's positive, focused and driven. Sometimes she'd just like to lay down and sleep for a week. She must now find something else to supplement her income. She will survive. Kittiya is more than a surviver, she knows how to work and what to do. I wish her happiness.

I'd go the Sportsman's Lodge for the talk, the girls, the beer, the girls, watch a game, the girls . . . a place to breath. When I married, I had less time to go and less reason. Monica knows my friends, she knows me, she knows what I need, and who I am. I'd drop in every week or two, visit with my amigos. For me, the Sportsman's Lodge was the right place at the right time. Just as my life has moved on, so has the Lodge.

-Rick

[Rick Farris]

Ernie Terrell by Diego(Computer Geek) Esty

You got it!...

You've captured another one, Rog. That's Ernie Terrell. Ernie is almost always at the WBHOF event, last year I didn't see him. Maybe this year? When the WBHOF altered it's banquet date to accomodate Lennox Lewis, many regulars were unable to attend. Shouldn't be a problem this year.

-Rick

[raylawpc]

(Frank, There was a short biography about Henry Clark a few pages back and then some discussion as to if the picture of him against Norton was actually him so here is a couple of pictures of Henry from the 70's)





Henry was one of the nicest guys in San Francisco boxing, always dressed like he was going to a ball and carried a swagger stick. He worked as a carpenter during the day at the American Can Company, very talkative and always had a handshake and one liner for you. He really like the bit of notoriety that came with his boxing status. He was a very elusive boxer which often led to a boring fight and he could make a good fighter look bad.
Bobbin & Weavin

According to another poster on this board (but not this Forum), Henry Clark was a tomato can . . .

Rick, so was Big Train Lincoln . . .

[raylawpc]

Guys, today, January 2, 2009 marks my 30th year with Boeing Aircraft. When I started on January 2 of 1979 it was still McDonnell Douglas. In 1996 Boeing bought us out and it has been a downhill run for us ever since. I started as an aircraft mechanic but over the years I have been a lead man, Manager/Supervisor, Quality Coordinator and a Project Manager for specific one time tasks, such as the FAA and Qasar Audits. I have worked on the DC-9/Md-80's, DC-10/Md-11's, the U.S. Air Force's Kc-10 and Boeing's 737. For the last ten years I have been working on the Air Force's Globemaster C-17, the finest aircraft I have ever had the privilege of working on. I still take a certain pride when I see one of our aircraft in the news or flying overhead. Prior to coming to McDonnell Douglas, I worked on the A-10 and F-15 fighter aircraft at Sargent Fletcher Co.

It's been a good career and I have met and made life long friends. A moment that will always stand out for me is the May 25, 1979 DC-10 crash at Chicago's O'Hare Airport. I had been working here about seven months. When the news broke about the crash, women were literally crying and the men were stunned. It was a sobering and somber moment. It was the sense of responsibility that hit me. It never left me. I learned to take the quality of my work seriously.

Though it was not the career I had planned for myself, I have no compaints. I bought my home, raised my family and have had a good life, courtesy of McDonnell Douglas and Boeing Companies. It has been a good living.

Below are few photos of myself, the job and the Air Force C-17 and KC-10 Extender.



This photo is from 1979. I was 24 at the time and working on the DC-10. The aircraft in the background in an MD-80.


This photo is from 1987, I was 33 when this photo was taken I was the lead man for this crew. You might not recognize me. I'm front and center wearing the Rick's shirt. We were working on the MD-80. The man standing second from the far left with the white shirt and beard is Bobby DeWitt, the best boss I have ever worked for. He was a former professional auto racer of some type.


A typical day on the MD-11, in Long Beach.


The KC-10 Extender


The C-17 Globemaster III

Randy, as you know, MD's headquarters was in St. Louis. MD designed and manufactured the Mercury and Gemini space capsules. Several of my clients worked in those projects and got to know the early astronauts. Great stories about Cooper, Glenn, Sheppard et al. Someday, when we meet, I'll tell you some of those stories.

[Rick Farris]

(Frank, There was a short biography about Henry Clark a few pages back and then some discussion as to if the picture of him against Norton was actually him so here is a couple of pictures of Henry from the 70's)





Henry was one of the nicest guys in San Francisco boxing, always dressed like he was going to a ball and carried a swagger stick. He worked as a carpenter during the day at the American Can Company, very talkative and always had a handshake and one liner for you. He really like the bit of notoriety that came with his boxing status. He was a very elusive boxer which often led to a boring fight and he could make a good fighter look bad.
Bobbin & Weavin

According to another poster on this board (but not this Forum), Henry Clark was a tomato can . . .

Rick, so was Big Train Lincoln . . .

In relation to who? . . . Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Ali, a young Tyson??? Great heavyweight? No. Tomato can? Maybe this guy's opinion is based on the fact Lincoln lost 12 of his last 13 fights, many by KO. It started with the fight I referred to in my post, the one in '67 to Jimmy "King" Fletcher, who could hit. Amos went down three times in that one, probably took all his body had to give.

After that, a guy still has to make a buck. Lincoln had a few legal issues, domestic, a drunk driving rap, etc. He had to make ends meet, like all fighters. He whipped Thad Spencer and could hold his own when he was prime. A tomato can? Not in my eyes. A very talented, hard-hitting veteran heavy, just short of top ten, which means he was beyond the borders contention in his era.

Today, "tomato cans" hold world heavyweight titles. So what's the big deal?

-Rick Farris

[raylawpc]

(Frank, There was a short biography about Henry Clark a few pages back and then some discussion as to if the picture of him against Norton was actually him so here is a couple of pictures of Henry from the 70's)





Henry was one of the nicest guys in San Francisco boxing, always dressed like he was going to a ball and carried a swagger stick. He worked as a carpenter during the day at the American Can Company, very talkative and always had a handshake and one liner for you. He really like the bit of notoriety that came with his boxing status. He was a very elusive boxer which often led to a boring fight and he could make a good fighter look bad.
Bobbin & Weavin

According to another poster on this board (but not this Forum), Henry Clark was a tomato can . . .

Rick, so was Big Train Lincoln . . .

In relation to who? . . . Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Ali, a young Tyson??? Great heavyweight? No. Tomato can? Maybe this guy's opinion is based on the fact Lincoln lost 12 of his last 13 fights, many by KO. It started with the fight I referred to in my post, the one in '67 to Jimmy "King" Fletcher, who could hit. Amos went down three times in that one, probably took all his body had to give.

After that, a guy still has to make a buck. Lincoln had a few legal issues, domestic, a drunk driving rap, etc. He had to make ends meet, like all fighters. He whipped Thad Spencer and could hold his own when he was prime. A tomato can? Not in my eyes. A very talented, hard-hitting veteran heavy, just short of top ten, which means he was beyond the borders contention in his era.

Today, "tomato cans" hold world heavyweight titles. So what's the big deal?

-Rick Farris

You're preaching to the choir, buddy! I couldn't believe my eyes when he referred to Lincoln and Clark as tomato cans.

[kikibalt]

Going back in time

[dagosd2000]

A MISSED OPPORTUNITY

Watched The Mongoose win the title from Joey Maxim on ESPN CLASSIC. Prior to that,Joey had decisioned Irish Bob Murphy pretty easily in The Garden in New York even though the betting was against him.Murphy's good friend and sparring partner,Earl Anderson, told me that when he went to visit the Irishman in his dressing room before the fight, he was breaking chairs and yelling at Travia Hatfield his manager. After seeing the replay of that one,it didn't seem like Murphy won a round. Murphy had trouble with boxers and I guess Joey was too good a boxer. Then why was he breaking chairs in his dressing room before the fight?

Moore controlled Maxim pretty good in St. Louis. Couldn't figure Maxim's strategy. Instead of boxing Archie,Joey made most of the clinches. There didn't seem to be any desperation in Joey's corner. Jack Kearns was in that coener. After that fight,Doc was in Moore's corner along with Arch's manager Charley Johnston. Doc and Charley went back together to the days of The Manassa Mauler.

Archie certainly was happy after winning a title after 36 years. So was Doc and so was Charley. Archie settled in San Diego after winning the belt. Doc followed him out there.Charley was already in San Diego with his brother Bob,who ran the burlesque house,The Hollywood Theater.

When I was a kid,I told ya' this. My dad drug me into Bob's bar that was next door to the Hollywood . It was called the Sport Palace. Lower Market Street was showing wear and tear as were the old timers who still had enough of their livers functioning to make it in the door.

Yep,there was Doc,Bob and Charley and my dad having a drink in the back room.I think of it now as being in a Damon Runyon story,but I wan't reading it. Me?I wanted to leave. The place was filled with cigar smoke and I could smell all the spilt booze. It made me feel uncomfortable.

Looking back,I should have paid a little more attention to what was being discussed. Missed ,for sure,a good story.

[dagosd2000]

Don Fraser and Howie Steindler

[bennie]

The caption is wrong. It might be Greg Coverson or Scotty Foreman.

When I posted the image I didn't think it was Floyd Mayweather myself. In the article it mentions the prospects in Groom's stable as Len Hutchins, Vonzell Johnson, Greg Coverson, Al Fracker, Richard Rozelle, Milton Seward and Forrest Winchester.

Cheers, Rob. I am old enough to remember the original article. :(

[bennie]

By Marc Abrams

JOEY GILBERT OPENS CAMP IN SAN DIEGO PREPARES FOR RENO SHOWDOWN WITH JESSE BRINKLEY

SAN DIEGO, CA (January 2, 2009) Super middleweight contender Joey Gilbert has opened camp in San Diego in preparation for his “CIVIL WAR” showdown with Jesse Brinkley on Saturday, February 14th at the Reno Events Center.

“I’ve trained here numerous times, the weather and the facilities are very conducive to a great camp,” said the confident Gilbert.

Working with trainer Richie Ortiz and strength and conditioning coach Matt Pendola, Gilbert has been in serious training mode since September.

“I knew this fight was on the horizon back then and have been training in San Diego and Big Bear with Coach Ortiz on a continuous basis. Now we’ll focus more on Brinkley and preparing for what we need to do to be successful on February 14th.

I’ll also be working in San Diego with (UFC star) Diego Sanchez. He’s got a big fight coming up at the same time and we work very well together. He’s a world class athlete and training with him always pushes me.”

Although he will be training in the scenic, beautiful city of San Diego , Gilbert was quick to point out what the task at hand was, “Yep, it’s nice down here on the ocean, but this fight was appropriately titled “CIVIL WAR” and that’s what the fans in Reno should expect.”

Tickets for “CIVIL WAR”, headlined by the 12 round super middleweight showdown between Jesse Brinkley and Joey Gilbert, are priced at $253.25, $153.25, $78.25 and 43.25 and are on sale now at the Reno Events Center box office and through Ticketmaster. A five dollar discount is available on tickets priced at $43.25 for students, active military, and police and fire department personnel with valid ID. Doors at the Reno Events Center will open the night of the event at 6pm, with the first bell at 7pm.

“CIVIL WAR” is presented by Las Vegas based TKO BOXING Promotions and Reno’s “Let’s Get It On” Promotions.

Formed in early 2008, Chet Koerner’s Las Vegas based TKO BOXING Promotions stable includes; super middleweight Joey Gilbert, middleweights Bastie “THE BEAST” Samir and James Countryman, junior middleweight Anthony Thompson, lightweights Rolando Reyes, Raul Tovar and Terrance Crawford, the sister team of Katy and Emily Klinefelter, featherweight Carney Bowman and super bantamweight Rafael Valenzuela.

Further information on TKO Boxing Promotions can be viewed at http://www.tkoboxingpromotions.com

Reno, Nevada based “Let’s Get It On” Promotions was founded in 2000 by legendary boxing referee Mills Lane . In early 2005 he was joined by sons Terry and Tommy in the operations of the company. Along with Jesse Brinkley, “Let’s Get It On” Promotions also promotes undefeated lightweight Bayan Jargal as well as highly regarded brothers Tyler and Derek Hinkey. They have consistently promoted world class boxing events in northern Nevada .

Further information on “Let’s Get It On” Promotions can be viewed at http://www.letsgetitonboxing.com

I watched Brinkley lose to rusty old Robin Reid in Newcastle in 2007. I drove all the way up there and back in one night, and picked up some sorely lungs because I had the window down on the way back in case I fell asleep and the air was rushing in and cold.
Brinkley, like me that night, is pretty clueless.

[bennie]

If comebacking Clinton Woods performs like he did in his last fight, the career of the Sheffield man is probably over.
Woods slumped to a woeful points defeat against near 40-year-old Antonio Tarver last April in the States, a defeat which cost him the IBF light-heavyweight title after three heady years as champion. Styles make fights, of course. The clever, gritty, diehard Woods holds a win over Glen Johnson and two over tough American Julio Cesar Gonzalez. His stamina comes by the bucketload. His chin is almost impervious. His height and reach make him a handful for anyone. Nevertheless, he allowed himself to be outclassed over 12 rounds by the slick but unremarkable Tarver.
Frankly, Woods gave away his belt.
Maybe the trip, to Tarver's own Tampa, rattled the Yorkshireman who had endured a six-round pounding at the hands of a peak Roy Jones Junior on a previous trip to the States. Maybe it was Tarver himself, a giant of a light-heavyweight who had belted Jones twice. Maybe the 36-year-old Woods just got old. Maybe he is just a home boy, like fellow Sheffield man Naseem Hamed.
Back on home turf, relatively speaking, Woods hopes to put it all behind him in Jersey in February in an eliminator for his old title.
His opponent is Elvir Muriqi, a 29-year-old New Yorker of Kosovan descent who took on Tarver himself 10 months prior to Woods (June 2007 in Connecticut) and made life much more difficult for the southpaw Floridian and at the end of 12 hard and exciting rounds, the decision was only a majority one in Tarver's favour. Fans in attendance roundly booed it.
Muriqi is stocky, rugged, determined, a particularly strong body puncher and has turned his career around after he was blasted in the fourth round by unheralded Bronx man Danny Santiago on a big show in Madison Square Garden in 2004. He might be a bit 'chinny', and you wonder if the Tarver fight flattered him, given that Tarver had been out for over a year beforehand and was clearly rusty, but the fact remains Muriqi looked much, much better against Tarver than Woods and will make this trip with real ambition and belief with a major world title shot at stake.
For BOTH men, then, this is make or break, but I have a feeling Wood's craftiness and an obvious desire to make amends for the Tarver debacle (one would hope) will sway the balance his way.

[scartissue]

(Frank, There was a short biography about Henry Clark a few pages back and then some discussion as to if the picture of him against Norton was actually him so here is a couple of pictures of Henry from the 70's)





Henry was one of the nicest guys in San Francisco boxing, always dressed like he was going to a ball and carried a swagger stick. He worked as a carpenter during the day at the American Can Company, very talkative and always had a handshake and one liner for you. He really like the bit of notoriety that came with his boxing status. He was a very elusive boxer which often led to a boring fight and he could make a good fighter look bad.
Bobbin & Weavin

A little piece of trivia which gets lost in fistiana is, like George Chuvalo, Clark was never knocked off his feet. Not too shabby for a guy who fought bangers like Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Zora Folley, Eddie Machen, Earnie Shavers, Leotis Martin, Jeff Merritt and Mac Foster.

Scartissue

[Rick Farris]

A MISSED OPPORTUNITY

Watched The Mongoose win the title from Joey Maxim on ESPN CLASSIC. Prior to that,Joey had decisioned Irish Bob Murphy pretty easily in The Garden in New York even though the betting was against him.Murphy's good friend and sparring partner,Earl Anderson, told me that when he went to visit the Irishman in his dressing room before the fight, he was breaking chairs and yelling at Travia Hatfield his manager. After seeing the replay of that one,it didn't seem like Murphy won a round. Murphy had trouble with boxers and I guess Joey was too good a boxer. Then why was he breaking chairs in his dressing room before the fight?

Moore controlled Maxim pretty good in St. Louis. Couldn't figure Maxim's strategy. Instead of boxing Archie,Joey made most of the clinches. There didn't seem to be any desperation in Joey's corner. Jack Kearns was in that coener. After that fight,Doc was in Moore's corner along with Arch's manager Charley Johnston. Doc and Charley went back together to the days of The Manassa Mauler.

Archie certainly was happy after winning a title after 36 years. So was Doc and so was Charley. Archie settled in San Diego after winning the belt. Doc followed him out there.Charley was already in San Diego with his brother Bob,who ran the burlesque house,The Hollywood Theater.

When I was a kid,I told ya' this. My dad drug me into Bob's bar that was next door to the Hollywood . It was called the Sport Palace. Lower Market Street was showing wear and tear as were the old timers who still had enough of their livers functioning to make it in the door.

Yep,there was Doc,Bob and Charley and my dad having a drink in the back room.I think of it now as being in a Damon Runyon story,but I wan't reading it. Me?I wanted to leave. The place was filled with cigar smoke and I could smell all the spilt booze. It made me feel uncomfortable.

Looking back,I should have paid a little more attention to what was being discussed. Missed ,for sure,a good story.

I know what you mean, Roger. Those moments when you were young, unaware of how important the people were around you. By the time I started boxing, at 12, I was already well aware of who my legends were. It was then I'd learn about the men behind their careers. By the time I was in the company of these men daily, I had a bit more respect than a lot of young boxers, those with less knowledge or interst in the historical aspect of boxing. Still, I think of other opportunites, lost thru ignorance, things that would be ammunition for a good story today. Despite your lack of attention, you still came away with a story.

-Rick

[Rick Farris]

(Frank, There was a short biography about Henry Clark a few pages back and then some discussion as to if the picture of him against Norton was actually him so here is a couple of pictures of Henry from the 70's)





Henry was one of the nicest guys in San Francisco boxing, always dressed like he was going to a ball and carried a swagger stick. He worked as a carpenter during the day at the American Can Company, very talkative and always had a handshake and one liner for you. He really like the bit of notoriety that came with his boxing status. He was a very elusive boxer which often led to a boring fight and he could make a good fighter look bad.
Bobbin & Weavin

A little piece of trivia which gets lost in fistiana is, like George Chuvalo, Clark was never knocked off his feet. Not too shabby for a guy who fought bangers like Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Zora Folley, Eddie Machen, Earnie Shavers, Leotis Martin, Jeff Merritt and Mac Foster.

Scartissue

Good point, Scar! Not bad for a guy that some contemporary "fan" considers a "tomato can". Contemporary tomato cans can't make such a claim, however, many claim a portion of the World Heavyweight title. In today's world, a guy like Henry Clark would hold the UNDISPUTED heavyweight crown. Look at the names on Scar's list. If forced to face that level of power, the Lurch brothers and the other iron curtain neanderthol would fall unconcious before the ref's instructions.

-Rick

[dagosd2000]

A MISSED OPPORTUNITY

Watched The Mongoose win the title from Joey Maxim on ESPN CLASSIC. Prior to that,Joey had decisioned Irish Bob Murphy pretty easily in The Garden in New York even though the betting was against him.Murphy's good friend and sparring partner,Earl Anderson, told me that when he went to visit the Irishman in his dressing room before the fight, he was breaking chairs and yelling at Travia Hatfield his manager. After seeing the replay of that one,it didn't seem like Murphy won a round. Murphy had trouble with boxers and I guess Joey was too good a boxer. Then why was he breaking chairs in his dressing room before the fight?

Moore controlled Maxim pretty good in St. Louis. Couldn't figure Maxim's strategy. Instead of boxing Archie,Joey made most of the clinches. There didn't seem to be any desperation in Joey's corner. Jack Kearns was in that coener. After that fight,Doc was in Moore's corner along with Arch's manager Charley Johnston. Doc and Charley went back together to the days of The Manassa Mauler.

Archie certainly was happy after winning a title after 36 years. So was Doc and so was Charley. Archie settled in San Diego after winning the belt. Doc followed him out there.Charley was already in San Diego with his brother Bob,who ran the burlesque house,The Hollywood Theater.

When I was a kid,I told ya' this. My dad drug me into Bob's bar that was next door to the Hollywood . It was called the Sport Palace. Lower Market Street was showing wear and tear as were the old timers who still had enough of their livers functioning to make it in the door.

Yep,there was Doc,Bob and Charley and my dad having a drink in the back room.I think of it now as being in a Damon Runyon story,but I wan't reading it. Me?I wanted to leave. The place was filled with cigar smoke and I could smell all the spilt booze. It made me feel uncomfortable.

Looking back,I should have paid a little more attention to what was being discussed. Missed ,for sure,a good story.

I know what you mean, Roger. Those moments when you were young, unaware of how important the people were around you. By the time I started boxing, at 12, I was already well aware of who my legends were. It was then I'd learn about the men behind their careers. By the time I was in the company of these men daily, I had a bit more respect than a lot of young boxers, those with less knowledge or interst in the historical aspect of boxing. Still, I think of other opportunites, lost thru ignorance, things that would be ammunition for a good story today. Despite your lack of attention, you still came away with a story.

-Rick

Rick
I think I was around 10 years old on that day. Also I was unaware that my dad was connected with the Mob until I was 16. All those characters that came over to our house, or we went to visit them for spaghetti dinners on Sundays, were just a lot of loud mouth greaseballs.Nothing was never discussed in front of the women and children anyway.

[kikibalt]

I posted a few days ago that I bought a new computer "Vista Windows", well the damn thing won't acccept any of my printers, scanners, etc,, so, I said, the hell with you, put back my old XP computer, guess I'll give the the Vista to one of my kids, what a bitch!....

[dagosd2000]

(Frank, There was a short biography about Henry Clark a few pages back and then some discussion as to if the picture of him against Norton was actually him so here is a couple of pictures of Henry from the 70's)





Henry was one of the nicest guys in San Francisco boxing, always dressed like he was going to a ball and carried a swagger stick. He worked as a carpenter during the day at the American Can Company, very talkative and always had a handshake and one liner for you. He really like the bit of notoriety that came with his boxing status. He was a very elusive boxer which often led to a boring fight and he could make a good fighter look bad.
Bobbin & Weavin

A little piece of trivia which gets lost in fistiana is, like George Chuvalo, Clark was never knocked off his feet. Not too shabby for a guy who fought bangers like Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Zora Folley, Eddie Machen, Earnie Shavers, Leotis Martin, Jeff Merritt and Mac Foster.

Scartissue

Good point, Scar! Not bad for a guy that some contemporary "fan" considers a "tomato can". Contemporary tomato cans can't make such a claim, however, many claim a portion of the World Heavyweight title. In today's world, a guy like Henry Clark would hold the UNDISPUTED heavyweight crown. Look at the names on Scar's list. If forced to face that level of power, the Lurch brothers and the other iron curtain neanderthol would fall unconcious before the ref's instructions.

-Rick

Rick ,Scar,and Rob
You're right. Henry Clark was not a bad fighter. He could make a big puncher look bad. However Rob is correct about Henry not exactly bringing fans to theit feet. Guys like Toney and even Evander are getting a lot of mileage just because they have enough moxie in there to last with these slow moving heavyweights. If Clark were fighting today,he'd probably have a belt.

[dagosd2000]

I posted a few days ago that I bought a new computer "Vista Windows", well the damn thing won't except any of my printers, scanners, etc,, so, I said, the hell with you, put back my old XP computer, guess I'll give the the Vista to one of my kids, what a bitch!....

My Pal Frank
How many dads would demand their money back. So you give it to one of your kids. That was instinct. What a bitch? I don't think so.

[kikibalt]

I posted a few days ago that I bought a new computer "Vista Windows", well the damn thing won't except any of my printers, scanners, etc,, so, I said, the hell with you, put back my old XP computer, guess I'll give the the Vista to one of my kids, what a bitch!....

My Pal Frank
How many dads would demand their money back. So you give it to one of your kids. That was instinct. What a bitch? I don't think so.

I was just saying that its a bitch that it didn't except my printer, etc. I don't mind at all to see one of my kids have it, I'll see who needs one the most, and who ever that is, is going to have a new computer....

[dagosd2000]

Frank
I have a grandson,Anthony,that lives in Irvine. He's starting college next year at UC Santa Cruz. He wants to be a film maker. He's won awards for his short films he's made with his camcorder.Well the damn thing broke. I go out and buy him one for Christmas. The salesman points me to one that would serve my grandson's needs,I think.

Well Christmas comes around and Anthony says his dad bought him one for 1200 bucks. Got all the state of the art gizmos. The one I bought was $350. Hell,I gave it to my wife for a Christmas present. She's happy. Whoever you give the computer to will be happy too. Merry Christmas to you.

[raylawpc]

I posted a few days ago that I bought a new computer "Vista Windows", well the damn thing won't except any of my printers, scanners, etc,, so, I said, the hell with you, put back my old XP computer, guess I'll give the the Vista to one of my kids, what a bitch!....

This should be a lesson to everybody NOT to use Vista. It is full of bugs. Frank, you can get your printer to work, but you will probably need to hire a tech guy to help you. Maybe "Geek Squad." They are pretty good, and not too expensive. (That is, here in Missouri - no idea about California, of course)

The problem with Vista is so bad that Dell offers customers who buy a new computer the choice of Vista or XP. (You do have to pay $50 extra for XP but its worth it.)

[Boxingnut]

Apologies if this has been posted before.