Marciano v. Tyson

[Robinson]

Marciano nailed Walcott good. No Phantom punch there.

[HomicideHenry]

Tyson, I think, would have been too much for Marciano. Too much a combination of power and quickness, would have cut him up to bits.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Tyson, I think, would have been too much for Marciano. Too much a combination of power and quickness, would have cut him up to bits.

Agreed. It would be a tough, tough fight for Marciano to win. I don't think it's as outrageously impossible as most of today's young up-start fans retrospectively, "re-decorating" their bedroom walls with old Tyson films (we've all seen these fourteen-year-olds with handles such as Tyson-Forever or Baddest Man On The Planet. etc.), however, he'd have to out-gut Tyson whilst absorbing traumatic punishment --- Tyson was a monster-hitter &, just as significantly here, so frighteningly fast with his hands.

Too much talent, IMO. Not impossible for Marciano, as I said, but unlikely. Dempsey, on the other hand...

[observer1]

Tyson, I think, would have been too much for Marciano. Too much a combination of power and quickness, would have cut him up to bits.

Agreed. It would be a tough, tough fight for Marciano to win. I don't think it's as outrageously impossible as most of today's young up-start fans retrospectively, "re-decorating" their bedroom walls with old Tyson films (we've all seen these fourteen-year-olds with handles such as Tyson-Forever or Baddest Man On The Planet. etc.), however, he'd have to out-gut Tyson whilst absorbing traumatic punishment --- Tyson was a monster-hitter &, just as significantly here, so frighteningly fast with his hands.

Too much talent, IMO. Not impossible for Marciano, as I said, but unlikely. Dempsey, on the other hand...

I agree. Marciano would hold his own, but we all know what Tyson did to his taller opponents. As for a short and lighter opponent, Tyson would able to work his jab effectivley and combo's as usual. Would be all wrong for Marciano.

When you say "Dempsey on the other hand". What do you mean by that. Do you mean He would beat Tyson, or beat Marciano?

Way i see it. Tyson beats Marciano beats Dempsey

[yiddo14]

Valuev is 48-1; is he second greatest?


Oh yeah, Tyson by destruction over Marciano in one. Tyson is much stronger, way way faster, has a better chin, is tougher, a better combination puncher, and wont have to try hard to find the Rock. The fight would be over long before Marciano's "heart" advantage could come into effect. Same goes for Dempsey.

Tyson didn't have a better chin and he was certainly never tougher than Marciano, that one is not even close.
Marciano would be too small to fight Tyson, but if it happened Mike would be a very warm favourite.
Still at this level you simply cannot discount anyone, least of all Marciano who always found a way to win.

One thing is for sure, Tyson would go down and stay down if in serious, serious trouble whereas Marciano would have to be dragged from the ring in a bag before he knew he was beat.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Marciano would have to be dragged from the ring in a bag before he knew he was beat.

--- Unfortunately, Rocky was dragged away in a bag a long time ago and Tyson is too corpulent to get up from his banquet, so this donnybrook will have to be waged by their fanatical supporters.

Figure the Tyson hip hoppers have youth advantage over Rocky fans who are couple of decades older. Mitigating factors are the hiphoppers haven't aged well and tend to be obese from their good life and prone to preening, grabbing their crotches, and brandishing firearms about.

Rocky fans less obese, more active in physical activities, and more to the point at hand. Figure on the collective Suzy Qs to arrive at the points of the chins as both the hands of the Tyson collective occupied with their crotch and reaching for their firearms, conveniently located in the same place so they won't forget.

"Down goes hiphop, down goes hiphop," as the great Cosell makes a final return sans his toupee for a final call. Ali at ringside pops up in his walker and gibbers his fans are prettier and faster and would whoop any fans in the world, and it's on!

[observer1]

Valuev is 48-1; is he second greatest?


Oh yeah, Tyson by destruction over Marciano in one. Tyson is much stronger, way way faster, has a better chin, is tougher, a better combination puncher, and wont have to try hard to find the Rock. The fight would be over long before Marciano's "heart" advantage could come into effect. Same goes for Dempsey.

Tyson didn't have a better chin and he was certainly never tougher than Marciano, that one is not even close.
Marciano would be too small to fight Tyson, but if it happened Mike would be a very warm favourite.
Still at this level you simply cannot discount anyone, least of all Marciano who always found a way to win.

One thing is for sure, Tyson would go down and stay down if in serious, serious trouble whereas Marciano would have to be dragged from the ring in a bag before he knew he was beat.

Which Tyson are we talking about though?

Tyson has a very under-rated chin. In his latter fights, many don't even look at those when thinking about Tyson's skill. He was notorious for just giving up in his last 2 bouts.

Marciano could take a beating, but Tyson could take a bigger one. Question comes to heart. Marciano had bigger heart.

But i agree Marciano would need a bigger heart to beat Tyson, on my opinion, Early stoppage

[Goodnight, Irene]

To answer Observer, I see Dempsey taking Tyson's heart. It's a swing-fight, but courage makes the difference. People have never appreciated Dempsey's skill-set. The precision & shortness of the punches, the bob on the way in --- I think he gets to Tyson --- however, there is a strong chance it doesn't work out that way, given Tyson's talent. I just suspect Dempsey would intimidate Tyson (who he himself said he wanted to be like) at the opening bell.

Dempsey-Marciano would be absolutely savage, but Dempsey holds the edge in nearly all departments (arguably, including power, & he definitely is a better two-handed hitter than Marciano), & has the class to take advantage of that.

Dempsey via KO over Tyson in four, with both men hitting the canvas. That happens again with Dempsey-Marciano, with Dempsey again getting off the deck to win, this time on cuts through seven scintillating rounds.

[Robinson]

you mean Tyson stops Dempsey in 4.

Marciano and Dempsey would make for an exciting
fight

[Goodnight, Irene]

"you mean Tyson stops Dempsey in 4..." - Robinson

Quite possible, also

However, I'm sure you see that as the likely (if not certain) outcome, whereas I see it as the slightly less credible of two scenarios (the other being Dempsey taking out Tyson).

Do we concur that Dempsey's chances (being quicker & more skilled than Marciano) against Tyson are better than Marciano's though, or not?

[witherspoon]

I really can't see the logic in trying to envisage a 215lb Tyson up against a 185-190lb Marciano. Logic says Marciano gets destroyed by a guy so much bigger with so much speed.
BUT, the little bit of doubt that lingers in the mind, even taking into account the size, power, speed advantage of Tyson...........well, advantage Marciano.

[Robinson]

I dont know....thats a tough one GI.

I think Marciano is a lot more durable and has better conditioning
than Dempsey.

Tough call. I see Marciano getting knocked down, but staying
on his feet come the end of the fight.

I really would like to see Dempsey and Marciano fight over
15 rounds.

[HomicideHenry]

Frazier-Tyson winner takes on Marciano-Dempsey winner....

end result after that "ATG HEAVYWEIGHT SWARMERS" tournament, nobody would live long enough to defend the damn title, would take 6 months to reccoperate after dealing with those four.

[Robinson]

Tyson meets Marciano in the finals....

and we have this thread :P

[Goodnight, Irene]

Would be an astonishingly brutal series. We think we know what to expect, but I'd bet even we'd be surprised at the savagery. IMO...

Dempsey TKO3 Frazier
Dempsey TKO7 Marciano
Dempsey KO4 Tyson

Tyson TKO3 Frazier
Tyson TKO2 Marciano

Marciano & Frazier, in a box-off for fourth? I honestly, truly can't decide between those two

Marciano-Frazier'd probably be the most sapping, damaging fight of the series. Probably last the longest, too. Devastating bout for both men.

[Zelley]

Regardless of the winner in a make believe contest, the fact is Marciano was undefeated.
The question is if Tyson was around in the Fifties would he be good enough
to earn a title shot.

Likewise, if Marciano was a contender in the late Eighties and Nineties,
would he blast through the likes of Mitch Green, Jesse Ferguson, James Tillis,
James (bonecrusher) Smith, Trevor Berbick and Tony Tucker. MOST LIKELY!!
:??

[Robinson]

Or would he even be a HW

[yiddo14]

Or would he even be a HW

Thats the real issue here.
As mentioned above he would have been light heavy.

Imagine the carnage he would have caused!?

[Robinson]

And the wars he would have had at jr HW with Qawi, Saad Muhammad and Holyfied.

[Zelley]

Based on statistics, it is likely Marciano of the Eighties would be a couple of inches taller and heavier, therfore he would still be a heavyweight with a knockout face altering punch,
and a cast iron chin. Only the best of the best would go the distance. And, Mike Tyson
is not the best of the best. Of all the heavyweight champions since Marciano,
A George Foreman would have the best chance of beating Marciano, but only if
he was in the same form as when he defeated Joe Frazier.

A Marciano vs Tyson fight would be like the Harry Greb - Mickey Walker fight of 1925.
The big question is would it be a 12 rounder or a 15 rounder, and would
Tyson have the stamina and heart to go the distance, as there is no real evidence that would support a Tyson knockout over Marciano at 190 lbs or 210 lbs.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Based on statistics, it is likely Marciano of the Eighties would be a couple of inches taller and heavier, therfore he would still be a heavyweight

--- Average height of Americans only gone up 2.5" when compared from Civil War conscripts to today's average male.

By modern stats, Rocky most likely to be a 300 lb computer game nerd, not a boxer.

Rocky best enjoyed as a 50s picture perfect classic phenom.

[theone]

Based on statistics, it is likely Marciano of the Eighties would be a couple of inches taller and heavier, therfore he would still be a heavyweight with a knockout face altering punch,
and a cast iron chin. Only the best of the best would go the distance. And, Mike Tyson
is not the best of the best. Of all the heavyweight champions since Marciano,
A George Foreman would have the best chance of beating Marciano, but only if
he was in the same form as when he defeated Joe Frazier.

A Marciano vs Tyson fight would be like the Harry Greb - Mickey Walker fight of 1925.
The big question is would it be a 12 rounder or a 15 rounder, and would
Tyson have the stamina and heart to go the distance, as there is no real evidence that would support a Tyson knockout over Marciano at 190 lbs or 210 lbs.

I've watched all of Marciano's fights that are available on film and for the life of me I just cant see why he is rated so highly among knowledgeable fight fans in a head to head sense. Forget the size disadvantage for once; just look at everything else in comparison to someone like Tyson. Marciano was much slower, of hand and feet, much easier to hit, cut easier.
Marciano's power is soooo overrated its mindboggling. You would have thought he ko'd every single one of his opponents with one punch. In fact, he rarely did that! Not the half way decent ones at least. Marciano typically had to land ALOT of hard clubbing shots on his opponents before putting them out.
A Tyson- Marciano fight would be over before the end of the first round. With the possible exception of Foreman, this is probably the worst match you could make for Marciano.

[observer1]

Hmm i personally am not sure who would win between Marciano and Dempsey. I personally give the edge to Marciano.

The way i see it, Tyson beats Frazier who beats Marciano who beats Dempsey.

But i can see why someone may disagree

[Robinson]

I really think Marciano vs dempsey would be an exciting fight.

Marciano vs Frazier would be pretty intense also. I see Frazier
winning that one, but both men would look far from pretty come the
end.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I really think Marciano vs dempsey would be an exciting fight.

Marciano vs Frazier would be pretty intense also. I see Frazier
winning that one, but both men would look far from pretty come the
end.

They looked far from pretty, anyway D