OT: A good day for English cricket

[DavidPayne]

...the most selfish player to put on an England shirt in living memory has stood down from his job as captain.

It may be jingoistic and out-dated, but I really do think an England team should be captained by an Englishman.

An obvious candidate doesn't present himself however.

I've never like KP, incredible batsman, but a me first, team second player.

[Hagler2002]

He is English, if he wasn't how on earth would he be playing for England!

[Hagler2002]

I bet you're one of these blokes who think that because someones skin colour isn't white they are not English! are you a member of the BNP by any chance?

[twenty six]

Is he f**k English.
Born in Natal.
Didn't come over here until he couldn't take the heat of racial tension in 1997.
Send the t**t back.

[twenty six]

Grow up Hagler.

[DavidPayne]

I bet you're one of these blokes who think that because someones skin colour isn't white they are not English! are you a member of the BNP by any chance?

Hagler you really are barking up the wrong tree here on this subject, with me. As I believe most regulars here will atest.

He isn't English. He is entitled to play for England by virtue of residency over the past 5 or six years and because he became frustrated by the quota system in his native South Africa. He was born in South Africa, has a South African accent and lived there for the first 20 years of his life.

Tell me, is Lennox Lewis Canadian by your definition?

[Hagler2002]

I'm only messing with you David, personally I never thought he was the right man for the job either, I wouldn't mind seeing Ian Bell getting a crack at it.

[DavidPayne]

Fair enough.

Personally, English cricket lurched downhill when they overlooked in the incumbent Strauss to plump for the sponsers preference Flintoff.

Strauss had performed well in Vaughan's stead, won some cricket matches but was sidestepped to put Flintoff in charge, akin to putting Gazza in charge of social events.

Its been downhill since. Strauss is the only candidate. Bell isn't secure enough in the team.

Just a pity Vaughan didn't score some runs last summer for Yorkshire. Not because he would then be a candidate, it was just a pity he didn't score any runs for Yorkshire.

England are good when Yorkshire are good.

[Chambers2]

I bet you're one of these blokes who think that because someones skin colour isn't white they are not English! are you a member of the BNP by any chance?

WTF

[twenty six]

Dave,
The same Strauss born in Johannesburg ?
Thought you said we needed a Englishman ??

[DavidPayne]

We do. But we don't have one up to the job. Strauss is the only option apart from maybe Cook?

Strauss
Cook/Key
Bell/Shah
Pieterson
Collingwood/Vaughan
Flintoff
Prior/Foster
Broad/Jones
Sidebottom/Hoggard
Harmison/Anderson
Panisar/Rashid

The cupboard is bare.

[Chambers2]

From purely cricketing terms I'm gutted KP's resigned as captain as I reckon he was the man for the job, he's an inspirational cricketer and person IMO.

Give Freddie another go, with KP and Collingwood has his number 2's.

[DavidPayne]

...what and have the England cricket captain saved by the RNLI while trying peddle to Jamaica.

[Chambers2]

...what and have the England cricket captain saved by the RNLI while trying peddle to Jamaica.

If Vaughan could show us anything that even resembles some form I'd give the job back to him, he's the best England Cricket captain we've had (of the last 20 years), but we're seriously struggling for options. Maybe Rob Key??

[BigGar]

...what and have the England cricket captain saved by the RNLI while trying peddle to Jamaica.

If Vaughan could show us anything that even resembles some form I'd give the job back to him, he's the best England Cricket captain we've had (of the last 20 years), but we're seriously struggling for options. Maybe Rob Key??

Had he still been around then Douglas Jardine would've been the man to sort this lot out.

[Hagler2002]

Skybet make Strauss at 1/5 shot with Ladcrooks going 1/2 for the next captain.

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

I am told that the ECB are negotiating "furiously" with KP to resolve the situation



He will be the captain for the WI tour....

[J]

Fair enough.

Personally, English cricket lurched downhill when they overlooked in the incumbent Strauss to plump for the sponsers preference Flintoff.

Strauss had performed well in Vaughan's stead, won some cricket matches but was sidestepped to put Flintoff in charge, akin to putting Gazza in charge of social events.

Its been downhill since. Strauss is the only candidate. Bell isn't secure enough in the team.

Just a pity Vaughan didn't score some runs last summer for Yorkshire. Not because he would then be a candidate, it was just a pity he didn't score any runs for Yorkshire.

England are good when Yorkshire are good.

errrr STAUSS IS SOUTH AFRICAN.

[Hagler2002]

Conflicting reports now, Peterson "threatened" to quit this morning.

[Billy_Boy]

Nobody involved has come out of this smelling of roses, have they? The ECB now have egg on their faces and are left with no coach and no captain. England will need a new captain (can't see Pietersen being reinstated any time soon) as the ECB will not want a repeat of this "dummy-spitting" episode and Moores cannot be reinstated as that will only cause more friction in the camp. Moores was criticised for focusing too much of the team's training on fitness and may not have the support of the whole squad.

I was disappointed that Strauss was overlooked when Vaughan resigned and hope he gets the job as he has the right experience and a cooler head than KP. IIRC, Pietersen qualifies to play through having an English mother.

KP obviously does not have Vaughan's expereince in captaining a cricket team at international level. The ECB should have known this and either granted him his wish to have Vaughan on the tour to WI (bearing in mind Bell's place in the team is far from safe) or appointed a coach with more international experience while they had the opportunity.

[twenty six]

The reports are not conflicting Hagler.
KP gone, Moores to follow.

[leforge]

KP is a pratt, good player but not captain material. Who will coach England thats just as important?

[J]

bbc reporting they both sacked not resigned.

We dont cover ourselves in glory do we as a nation on such matters.

First the rugby (publicly humiliating and sacking a man who got a bunch of no hopers to the world cup final and 2nd in the six nations, for a figure head with no coaching experience) thats reaping what the rfu sowed now isnt it. (week after week of record defeats at home).

The rows re the amateur boxing set up and treatment of Teddy Edwards and his team at the olympics was pretty fuckign low as well.

And now this debacle....dont think the establishment will ever learn to be frank and its something that holds back English sport in general.

sack the frikken blazers in charge thats what i say. Time to take a fresh approach and get rid of the yes men behind the scenes.

I mean what the fornicate is Hugh Morris doing as head of cricket? He was an average county player at best, wha does he know about international cricket having played two tests?

No wonder none of the players respect the board. Get bonker in as supremo he is fornicating winner and wont namby pamby about, he will make the calls stand by them and admit when he has been wrong and that is what you need.

Not this constant political manouvering behind the scenes where everyone is stabbing one another in the back.

[twenty six]

Leforge,
Darren Gough !!!!!!!

[Billy_Boy]

The reports are not conflicting Hagler.
KP gone, Moores to follow.

Sky Sports News now stating that ECB have no knowledge of Pietersen or Moores tendering resignations