Why do you dislike Johnson so much?AlexY2K4 wrote:Pathetic!? Don't tell me that they are in this sport to tickle each other and have tea partys in little wendy houses!silkov wrote:Your comment that you hope Calzaghe beats Johnson up badly is pathetic to be honest mate!.... perhaps you should switch to watching WWF Wreastling!.AlexY2K4 wrote:Well, I never said Calzaghe was great, but he could very well turn out to be as long as he gets the proper fights.
I still don't like Johnson though, and I really hope Calzaghe beats him up badly if they ever fight.
Get real dude, in this sport they hurt each other and that is what I want Calzaghe to do to Johnson.
I don't like Johnson and I hope he gets smashed, if you have an issue with that, that's your problem.
calzaghe johnson off / jones jr johnson on
He won't get smashed by your joe cause 'Cotton wool' Calzaghe is running scared mate!....... he's already bottled it......... so grow up little boy!AlexY2K4 wrote:Pathetic!? Don't tell me that they are in this sport to tickle each other and have tea partys in little wendy houses!silkov wrote:Your comment that you hope Calzaghe beats Johnson up badly is pathetic to be honest mate!.... perhaps you should switch to watching WWF Wreastling!.AlexY2K4 wrote:Well, I never said Calzaghe was great, but he could very well turn out to be as long as he gets the proper fights.
I still don't like Johnson though, and I really hope Calzaghe beats him up badly if they ever fight.
Get real dude, in this sport they hurt each other and that is what I want Calzaghe to do to Johnson.
I don't like Johnson and I hope he gets smashed, if you have an issue with that, that's your problem.
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Eric the Viking
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Harmon is a lanky light-heavy, and has no business at cruiser. He took a beating in his one outing at cruiser vs. O'Neil Bell, but has since gotten in shape and back together with his longtime trainer, and looked pretty good in his recent win over David Telesco.Matchfixer wrote:I assume this is the same Derrick Harmon who recently turned down the opportunity for a beating from David Haye.
You forgot to explain away Johnson's win over Harding - but I'm sure you have some way of making it go away. "Harding was never the same after Jones and Tarver smashed him..." or something along those lines. True, he looked less than great vs. Johnson - but perhaps Johnson deserves a bit of the credit for that.
Funny thing is, if one "analyzes" Chicken Calzaghe's re'sume' in the same kind of fashion as you do Johnson's, it's all the more laughable. And that's ignoring the long list of contenders at 168 Joe has studiously avoided. You can't hardly lose to 'em if you never get in the ring with 'em, can you?
What's the little boy bit in aid of? Is it because I don't agree with you?He won't get smashed by your joe cause 'Cotton wool' Calzaghe is running scared mate!....... he's already bottled it......... so grow up little boy!
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Matchfixer
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David Telesco? Whose he!Eric the Viking wrote:Harmon is a lanky light-heavy, and has no business at cruiser. He took a beating in his one outing at cruiser vs. O'Neil Bell, but has since gotten in shape and back together with his longtime trainer, and looked pretty good in his recent win over David Telesco.Matchfixer wrote:I assume this is the same Derrick Harmon who recently turned down the opportunity for a beating from David Haye.
You forgot to explain away Johnson's win over Harding - but I'm sure you have some way of making it go away. "Harding was never the same after Jones and Tarver smashed him..." or something along those lines. True, he looked less than great vs. Johnson - but perhaps Johnson deserves a bit of the credit for that.
Funny thing is, if one "analyzes" Chicken Calzaghe's re'sume' in the same kind of fashion as you do Johnson's, it's all the more laughable. And that's ignoring the long list of contenders at 168 Joe has studiously avoided. You can't hardly lose to 'em if you never get in the ring with 'em, can you?
I'll give credit to Johnson for his win over Harding. Harding is also a vevry good boxer.
I agree with your statement about Calzaghe. I obviously have different criteria for what is world class.
I don't dislike Johnson as a person or even as a boxer. I was just not overly convinced by what I saw in the two fights against Clinton Woods.
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MightyWarrior
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That's bollocks. You're falling over yourself in your efforts to praise Johnson - impressive, unlucky, top contenders, robbed - it's quite obvious you'd like to have this man's babies by the sounds of it, but please be realistic.Eric the Viking wrote:Compare Johnson's last 20 opponents with Calzaghe's - the disparity in quality is simply massive.
How are any of the following Calzaghe opponents so hugely inferior
to Johnsons? Answer = They're not.
Don't let your hatred of Calzaghe blind you to the facts...........now take a deep breath.
Ottke - Brewer
Vanderpool, Branco and Sheika - Veit, Starie,Sheika
Thomas Ulrich - Sobot
Harmon and Gonzalez - Mitchell & Eubank
Daniel Judah - Jiminez
Harding - Reid
Woods - Woodhall
Looks like theres some truth to this, as it seems FW's not too happy. From the Sun;
PROMOTER allegedly has told Glen Johnson he will fight him in court after the American snubbed an extra £150,000 to box Joe Calzaghe.
Warren is furious IBF world light-heavyweight champ Johnson backed out of a re-scheduled bout when the original was postponed after Calzaghe injured his back.
Johnson has turned down around £300,000 because he wants to fight former champion Roy Jones Junior.
Warren said: “It’s all in the hands of my legal team.”
PROMOTER allegedly has told Glen Johnson he will fight him in court after the American snubbed an extra £150,000 to box Joe Calzaghe.
Warren is furious IBF world light-heavyweight champ Johnson backed out of a re-scheduled bout when the original was postponed after Calzaghe injured his back.
Johnson has turned down around £300,000 because he wants to fight former champion Roy Jones Junior.
Warren said: “It’s all in the hands of my legal team.”
It wasn't Johnson who pulled out of a genuine world title fight at seven days' notice. That dropped everyone in the shit. Then the second date was mooted for Calzaghe's own backyard in Cardiff (from Manchester). The champion quite rightly wanted more money for fighting Calzaghe there.AlexY2K4 wrote:I don't know who Johnson thinks he is. He can't just mess people about like that, giving someone a title shot, then spitting his dummy out because Calzaghe got injured. (Calzaghe might not be injured, but hey, he also might be)
At the end of the day, Johnson had whipped himself into fantastic shape while Calzaghe was out shagging a 21-year-old. He's decided not to risk all that hard work again on someone as unreliable as Calzaghe.
This is the only comparison I'd disagree with, Ulrich is much better than that IMO. But overall you can't say Johnson has that much of a superior record to Calzaghe, if it all.MightyWarrior wrote: Thomas Ulrich - Sobot
Erik you've gone a bit too far this time! Pull your dick out of Glencoffe and try to be a little bit neutral for gods sake.
Yes, I believe Harmon has still got a bright future at 175. He's got bags of natural ability.Eric the Viking wrote:Harmon is a lanky light-heavy, and has no business at cruiser. He took a beating in his one outing at cruiser vs. O'Neil Bell, but has since gotten in shape and back together with his longtime trainer, and looked pretty good in his recent win over David Telesco.
Must get around to watching the second half of the Telesco fight some time.
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MightyWarrior
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I know, I ran out of names by thenKilburn wrote:This is the only comparison I'd disagree with, Ulrich is much better than that IMO. But overall you can't say Johnson has that much of a superior record to Calzaghe, if it all.MightyWarrior wrote: Thomas Ulrich - Sobot
Erik you've gone a bit too far this time! Pull your dick out of Glencoffe and try to be a little bit neutral for gods sake.
But yes, just trying to make the point Erik was going overboard with that particular point. Plus Joe beat that lot fairly convincingly, apart from Reid.
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knockout artist
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In the hands of his legal team, what, Stephen fornicating Heath, come on the blokes an in house lawyer. If he was a top guy he'd be with a City firm, but he's not, he's in house at Sports Network.Sprint wrote:Looks like theres some truth to this, as it seems FW's not too happy. From the Sun;
PROMOTER allegedly has told Glen Johnson he will fight him in court after the American snubbed an extra £150,000 to box Joe Calzaghe.
Warren is furious IBF world light-heavyweight champ Johnson backed out of a re-scheduled bout when the original was postponed after Calzaghe injured his back.
Johnson has turned down around £300,000 because he wants to fight former champion Roy Jones Junior.
Warren said: “It’s all in the hands of my legal team.”
Warren failed to deliver the fight on the agreed date because his boy cried off with a back injury, which are difficult to prove, medically.
Johnson has not agreed to a rescheduled bout, nor is he obliged to.
End Of Story.
Try and buy some other mugs title. Johnsons is not for sale.
I called you a little boy because you are behaving like a child disrespecting a honest and gutsy man who has never been given a break in his life... and who you have never even met!. Support who you like but try and be a bit more mature about it!.AlexY2K4 wrote:What's the little boy bit in aid of? Is it because I don't agree with you?He won't get smashed by your joe cause 'Cotton wool' Calzaghe is running scared mate!....... he's already bottled it......... so grow up little boy!
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jamesmcdonnell
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Fightnews are reporting a date of September the 25th for Johnson vs Jones Jnr - Although knowing Roy Jones, there are still some issues that need to be clarified (i.e. will Jones mind not entering the ring last). However, its certainly not looking good for the July date in Cardiff for Calzaghe vs Johnson.
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Eric the Viking
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The entry order was an issue in the first Jones/Tarver fight because Jones had *vacated* his light-heavy titles and won a title at heavyweight, i.e. he argued that Tarver wasn't the "real" light-heavy champ. Eventually though, he relented and Tarver was introduced as the light-heavy champ, which he was. In this case there should be no "who's the real champ" issue - Jones lost fair and square to Tarver in his last fight, and Johnson is the legitimate IBF beltholder. It's possible there will be some issues over money, but somehow I don't foresee any kind of Jones/Tarver-style wrangling. Johnson has had a long and fine career (multiple hometown robbery losses notwithstanding), and these two seem to respect and have no animosity toward each other. As Jim McDonnell pointed out, the incentive for Jones is that the IBF belt would give him a better bargaining position for a potential rubber match with Tarver, and Johnson will likely earn far more than he would've vs. Calzaghe. Sounds like a win/win to me.stujones wrote:Fightnews are reporting a date of September the 25th for Johnson vs Jones Jnr - Although knowing Roy Jones, there are still some issues that need to be clarified (i.e. will Jones mind not entering the ring last).