My Ellis-Patterson Scorecard!!

[dempseyfire]

Ok, here it is, finally, what I had promised several posters in the controversial fights thread. I'm am completly convinced again that Ellis won the fight and the fact it is painted as one of the 'biggest robberies' ever is simply INSANITY. Patterson spent most of the fight bouncing around and not doing anything. The commentary was completly biased for the always popular Floyd, as was the Swedish crowd which went wild at every thrown punch by Floyd (whether it landed or not) and silence with Jimmy's efforts. Patterson won the final 3 rounds and that with biased commentary made it seem in many people's minds it was a bad decision. Here's my scorecard and I challenge anyone to post theres.

Round 1: Clear round for Ellis, out workers Floyd: Ellis

Round 2: Another Ellis round, Patterson lands a couple of counters but otherwise is outworked/hustled again: Ellis

Round 3: Ellis hurts Floyd, big Ellis round: Ellis

Round 4: Floyd hurts Ellis, his first round: Patterson

Round 5: Typical of much of the fight, Floyd lands a couple of right hands but otherwise does nothing but back up and bounce. Ellis throws more, lands more, and is the aggressor. Ellis

Round 6: Close round but Floyd seals it with a solid left hook combo in the end. Patterson.

Round 7: Like round 5, Ellis again outhustling Floyd: Ellis

Round 8: Ellis

Round 9: One of the better action rounds of the fight: Patterson flurries but Ellis answers right back. Neither fighter very accurate: Even

Round 10: Patterson wins with the cleaner shots: Patterson

Round 11: Ellis

Round 12: Ellis . . .what does Floyd do in this round that's effective? Anything?

Round 13: Floyd ups his game on a tired Ellis: Patterson

Round 14: Patterson, with a KD that's hard to tell whether it was legit or not with the camera angle

Round 15: Patterson

So that is 8 rounds for Ellis, 6 for Patterson, 1 even. Fairly close fight, but to call it a huge robbert is completly off.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I wish I had this fight in full in my library, as I remember scoring it once or twice back in the day, & always having Patterson ahead in a close-ish, not clear, victory. I thought it was a robbery. I wouldn't have called it one of the biggest of all-time, though.

Edit: Close-ish, but clear, is what I meant to say.

[Robinson]

Thanks for posting it up DF.

It was a good fight, and of course you know I have a different score ;)

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Here's my scorecard and I challenge anyone to post theres.

--- 7-4-4 for Floyd. Big difference in your scoring and mine is you assign Ellis all my even rounds which were close.

I'm very deliberate in my scoring so as to determine where the true controversies are in these types of fights. Floyd won the bigger rounds, shipped the most hurt, but slips at least 4x which were from punches taken on weak legs that hurts his impression as the ring general. That KD of Ellis in the 14th was also ruled a slip by the ref and rightly so as legs got tangled.

If we allow modern scording and all the slips as KDs, Ellis wins, even though none of his punches leading to Floyd's slips were damaging. Floyd got his weak legs sorted and finished the championship rounds strong whereas Ellis is on fumes.

Halfway through, the two writers next to Cosell have it even and one point for Floyd. Seeing as you agree Floyd closed the stronger, a better objective case can be made for Floyd winning. The only thing I see Ellis has going is the technical weight one gives the 4 slips by Patterson where perhaps Ellis should have been credited with at least 2 flash KDs.

I wouldn't call it a robbery but more a controversial and difficult fight to score save the last 6 rds which I have 5-0-1 for Floyd. That margin of a strong finish in an otherwise difficult close fight is usually made the winner.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It would've made Patterson the division's first three-time champion in history. Personally, I'd be feeling just a little bit bitter about it, were I him.

[evndrbsn]

I had it 8-7 for Patterson. Very close fight, would have been interesting to see how a three judge panel would have differed from each other.

[My2Sense]

I kind of lean toward dempseyfire's score. In a typical round, Patterson would spend the first two-thirds of the round bouncing away, and then only open up in the final minute or 30 seconds. I know he usually landed the cleaner, harder punches when he did that, but he just didn't open up enough for me to give him many of those rounds. Ellis wasn't as accurate with his punches, but there were often long stretches where he was the only one letting his hands go.

And for whatever it's worth, that was the referee's reasoning for giving the fight to Ellis as well.

[Robinson]

I shall re-wathc this, but as soon as I find my little book Ill post my
score cards.

This controversy would not be so apparent had their been three judges
and had Angelo Dundee not had anything to do with the Ref.

[Woller]

I have it 9-6 Ellis. Floyd is simply not doing enough.

Woller