Classic American West Coast Boxing

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kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Miguel Cotto

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Lancashire's Michael Jennings makes one giant leap from Jason Rushton to Miguel Cotto for the vacant WBO welterweight title at New York's historic Madison Square Garden on February 21.
The belt was made vacant by Paul Williams.
Jennings outscored Doncaster's Rushton over eight brisk rounds in Glasgow in a warm-up in November. The 31-year-old Chorley challenger is a tidy boxer with a great engine but has never fought outside Britain in 10 years as a pro and this ranks as the most daunting of overseas debuts. Puerto Rican great Cotto comes off an unforgettable 11-round loss to Mexican sensation Antonio Margarito last summer in Las Vegas. He fought proudly and magnificently and simply lost to the better, stronger man on the night, his first and only loss in 33 outings. The 28-year-old Cotto, a former two-weight world champion, looks gifted enough to come again.
Jennings will say otherwise, of course, in his own pleasant, throughly likeable way. Cotto took heavy punishment in the later stages of the Margarito battle before crumbling to the canvas, bloodied and battered. How much did the fight take out of him? The wiry, superfit, fleet-footed Jennings can stick and move for 12 hard rounds and might, just might, find himself in the right place at the right time against a battle-weary, tired, demotivated, overconfident, super-rich Cotto looking ahead to a lucrative June rematch with Margarito. I also have a feeling that Cotto is tight at the weight. He looks 'big' in those above pictures.
Jennings has lost only once himself (in 35 outings), on a split decision to Midlands strongman Young Mutley in Nottingham in January 2006. It was a big upset but the beaten man enjoys big backing (F rank Warren) and was steered down another route to a No. 1 ranking with the WBO, with six wins on the spin. Mutley, meanwhile, languishes in the Black Country. Boxing is still all about who you know.
In Michael's defence, he licked some good opponents on the way back, such as Crawley's Ross Minter (talented son of Alan) in a nine-round thriller and Margate's dangerous Takaloo over 12. He holds particularly fine wins over Poland's current European welterweight champion Rafal Jackiewicz and Welsh star Bradley Pryce, despite a 12th-round wobble in the latter. While Jennings can box, he lacks great power and strength and the bull-like Mutley kept him 'honest' for much of the 12 rounds and one wonders how honest Cotto will keep him. Jennings lacks the power to trouble Cotto, I'm sure.
I can see Michael boxing well for a few rounds as Cotto picks his punches in typically smooth, classy, hurtful fashion, body and head, wearing down the visitor. Cotto has finished 26 of his 33 opponents, including the likes of Zab Judah, Gianluca Branco, Carlos Quintana, Ricardo Torres, Kelson Pinto and so many others.
In his 'home' venue of the legendary Garden, Cotto ultimately looks too complete for Jennings. He wins in six or seven rounds.
There was a time in the distant past that when a fighter lost a fight like Cotto lost to Margarito, said fighter would have to fight other top fighters and climb up the ladder before getting another title fight, those days are long gone, nowdays you lose soup A title fight, you just go and fight for the soup B title.
I was born to soon and so were my boys, other wise they would have been champs
Frank,
It wouldn't have been a question as to whether they would have won championships but how many championships if they would have been fighting today; of course I think of them on a higher level for what they did in their era than I think of most of these guys running around today claiming to be "World Champions!" :shame:
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Bobbin & Weavin wrote:There was a time in the distant past that when a fighter lost a fight like Cotto lost to Margarito, said fighter would have to fight other top fighters and climb up the ladder before getting another title fight, those days are long gone, nowdays you lose soup A title fight, you just go and fight for the soup B title.
I was born to soon and so were my boys, other wise they would have been champs

Frank,
It wouldn't have been a question as to whether they would have won championships but how many championships if they would have been fighting today; of course I think of them on a higher level for what they did in their era than I think of most of these guys running around today claiming to be "World Champions!" :shame:
Bruce

Bruce,

I would like to think that you're right, but of course I am bias.... :box:
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bennie wrote:A Brazilian footballer, Kaka, recently turned down an offer to go to Manchester City. He was offered weekly wages of £250,000. That's how barmy footie is here.
I read reports Bennie that Kaka was offered £500,000 a week. That was in the Guardian, normally a reliable source. I support Everton, the "other" team in Liverpool as no one has ever heard of us. We have a long and proud history but the glory days are long gone. Tomorrow we play our rivals Liverpool in the FA Cup (a knockout cup competition).
I enjoy watching US sports, hockey and football are my favourites, although I don't understand all the tactics.
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THE COYOTE

"Can't get a bounce in my legs."
Moyer once could shake off all the drinking ,but he couldn't do it anymore.
"I want to take a nap,but I just had one this afternoon,"he said.
"Maybe you need to skip some rope or go for a walk," I said to him.
"I'll do it, but all that's gonna do is make me more tired."
His fight was in a week. He hadn't shown too much so far in camp.
"Rog,take a walk with me. I need to get away from the gym."
That was his problem. He hadn't spent enough time in the gym. He'd get goin' shadow boxing and hitting the bags and he'd stop. Say he was all right,but you could see he needed a lot more work.
"You and Flaherty are the only ones that speak English up here,but Sid's with his damn dogs all the time."

Denny put on another sweat shirt and we started walkin up behind the gym up the side of the hill. Flaherty's gym was in the foothills along with his dog kennel. It was away from everything. Just where Denny needed to go to concentrate on training,but he was always antsy.Movin' around all the time. He was spent. Had a nervousness that just seemed to drain him. He couldn't build himself up anymore.

We started to wind our way up through the trees. Our footsteps walked cushiony on the fallen leaves of the big oaks.
"I don't feel right,"he said.
"You'll come around. You have enough in you now to take this guy."
"That ain't saying too much."
We reached a crest and leaned on a big rock. From there we could see the desert that ran flat across to Arizona.
"i'm going to quit this."
"Why? What's wrong?",I asked.
I looked at the Irishman's profile. He'd been in some wars. 15 years ago he was one of the best. A could box and think with Sugar Ray and Emile. It was amazing to see him work in those fights.
"You know what's wrong. I'm empty inside. All the fights. All the punches. I can't stay away from the liquor. I'm old. I can't rebound anymore."
"You'll be all right. You won't have a problem with the Mexican fighter."
Denny smirked. He was looking at the desert.
"He'll give me plenty of problems."
In back of us we heard a noise like someone running on the fallen leaves. We both turned suddenly. It was a coyote running with those hobbly steps the way coyotes run. The coyote was covered with an orangey mange.The coyote disappeared into the trees.

"Let's get back to the camp,"said Moyer. "Maybe I can work up a sweat on the heavy bag."
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Boxingnut wrote:
bennie wrote:A Brazilian footballer, Kaka, recently turned down an offer to go to Manchester City. He was offered weekly wages of £250,000. That's how barmy footie is here.
I read reports Bennie that Kaka was offered £500,000 a week. That was in the Guardian, normally a reliable source. I support Everton, the "other" team in Liverpool as no one has ever heard of us. We have a long and proud history but the glory days are long gone. Tomorrow we play our rivals Liverpool in the FA Cup (a knockout cup competition).
I enjoy watching US sports, hockey and football are my favourites, although I don't understand all the tactics.
What's off sides in soccer?
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Frank,
It wouldn't have been a question as to whether they would have won championships but how many championships if they would have been fighting today; of course I think of them on a higher level for what they did in their era than I think of most of these guys running around today claiming to be "World Champions!" :shame:
Bruce[/quote]

Bruce . . . My feelings exactly. :TU:

-Rick
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dagosd2000 wrote:THE COYOTE

"Can't get a bounce in my legs."
Moyer once could shake off all the drinking ,but he couldn't do it anymore.
"I want to take a nap,but I just had one this afternoon,"he said.
"Maybe you need to skip some rope or go for a walk," I said to him.
"I'll do it, but all that's gonna do is make me more tired."
His fight was in a week. He hadn't shown too much so far in camp.
"Rog,take a walk with me. I need to get away from the gym."
That was his problem. He hadn't spent enough time in the gym. He'd get goin' shadow boxing and hitting the bags and he'd stop. Say he was all right,but you could see he needed a lot more work.
"You and Flaherty are the only ones that speak English up here,but Sid's with his damn dogs all the time."

Denny put on another sweat shirt and we started walkin up behind the gym up the side of the hill. Flaherty's gym was in the foothills along with his dog kennel. It was away from everything. Just where Denny needed to go to concentrate on training,but he was always antsy.Movin' around all the time. He was spent. Had a nervousness that just seemed to drain him. He couldn't build himself up anymore.

We started to wind our way up through the trees. Our footsteps walked cushiony on the fallen leaves of the big oaks.
"I don't feel right,"he said.
"You'll come around. You have enough in you now to take this guy."
"That ain't saying too much."
We reached a crest and leaned on a big rock. From there we could see the desert that ran flat across to Arizona.
"i'm going to quit this."
"Why? What's wrong?",I asked.
I looked at the Irishman's profile. He'd been in some wars. 15 years ago he was one of the best. A could box and think with Sugar Ray and Emile. It was amazing to see him work in those fights.
"You know what's wrong. I'm empty inside. All the fights. All the punches. I can't stay away from the liquor. I'm old. I can't rebound anymore."
"You'll be all right. You won't have a problem with the Mexican fighter."
Denny smirked. He was looking at the desert.
"He'll give me plenty of problems."
In back of us we heard a noise like someone running on the fallen leaves. We both turned suddenly. It was a coyote running with those hobbly steps the way coyotes run. The coyote was covered with an orangey mange.The coyote disappeared into the trees.

"Let's get back to the camp,"said Moyer. "Maybe I can work up a sweat on the heavy bag."

Good story. Interesting to read Moyer's quote- "but Sid's with his damn dogs all the time."
It's funny how one sentence can shift your mind into reverse and pinpoint a memory from days long ago.

The memory- It's 1971. Sid's partner Danny is in L.A. working with a boxer, on a Forum Club promotion held at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium.
Ken Norton is in the main-event. I'm in the six-round semi-main.
My trainer, Mel Epstein, has Johnny Villaflor as his 2nd, but Johnny gets sick and leaves. Mel gets Danny to fill in.
In the dressing room prior my fight, Danny is telling my friend Karl (who is a dog breeder) about the kennel he has with Sid. At the time they were raising malamutes.

Rog, when I read your stories, I need nothing to validate the tale. However, when deep into the story, I read a little comment like Moyer made, I think, "Rog really knows how to fine tune a story. That's real." Your memory and mine are often on the same page, my friend.

Thanks for bringing back the memory of a conversation that took place nearly 38-years-ago. The conversation we had with Danny Rodriguez that night is worth remembering, not the fight I had later. That night I was a dog, and the fleas were biting.


-Rick Farris
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kikibalt wrote:
Bobbin & Weavin wrote:There was a time in the distant past that when a fighter lost a fight like Cotto lost to Margarito, said fighter would have to fight other top fighters and climb up the ladder before getting another title fight, those days are long gone, nowdays you lose soup A title fight, you just go and fight for the soup B title.
I was born to soon and so were my boys, other wise they would have been champs

Frank,
It wouldn't have been a question as to whether they would have won championships but how many championships if they would have been fighting today; of course I think of them on a higher level for what they did in their era than I think of most of these guys running around today claiming to be "World Champions!" :shame:
Bruce

Bruce,

I would like to think that you're right, but of course I am bias.... :box:
Frank, Bruce is right. All you need to do is look at Frankie's fight with Chango Cruz. His sixth fight with an established 10 round fighter. Fighters today are so protected. It's not their fault though. It's the promoters, managers, HBO and Showtime and all the other money hungry vultures that want to hang on to their meal tickets. It stunts their growth as fighters. Frankie and Tony were contenders when the word "Contender" really meant something. I see them as champions Frank. So do the guys here on this thread. We know the difference between then and now.
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On Margarito vs Mosley: Both guys are warriors. Both guys will make fight of it. Mosley is not afraid to stand and slug when he has to. Mosley has always been a fast starter and a strong finisher. Still, he's getting up in years. He struggled with Mayorga before stopping him in their fight last year. Margarito, usually a slow starter, seems to have learned from his loss to Paul Williams. His stamina and endurance are phenomenal. He has a strong consistent pace that increases throughout the fight. I expect Margarito to win this fight. Mosley will make it difficult for the first half but Margarito wins. Maybe by KO. As always, Let the best man win.
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Tonight . . .

Well, my evening at The Staples Center has been called off at the last moment (family emergency for host), so, I'll just have to watch it on HBO. To be honest, I'm kinda glad. It's raining here in L.A. and I really want to see what I expect to be Shane's last big fight. If I were there, I'd be distracted. He's not only facing a pretty strong champ, but old age and legal issues that certainly must take one's mind off training. I like the guy and wish him the best. If he doesn't get lucky tonight, I hope he just takes the money and RUNS away from boxing.

-Rick
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Vincente Saldivar: A Mexican Legend
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The 1960’s spawned many great fighters. Dick Tiger, Jose Torres, Emile Griffith, Luis Rodriguiz and Carlos Ortiz just to name a few. One of the best of this era was a 5′ 3″ southpaw from Mexico City named Vincente Saldivar. He ruled the featherweight division for three years and then retired. He decided to come back and two and a half years after he gave up his crown, he re-claimed it.

This boxing legend was born on March 5, 1943. He started his professional career in 1961 and quickly showed that he was a budding star. Saldivar won his first sixteen fights and scored thirteen knockouts. He suffered his first loss in December of 1962 when he was disqualified in a bout against Baby Luis.

The year 1963 saw Saldivar make great strides in the rankings. He halted the respected Dwight Hawkins in five rounds. He avenged his loss by stopping Baby Luis in eight rounds. There was also an impressive one round win over Eloy Sanchez.

On February 8, 1964 Saldivar captured the Mexican featherweight title by knocking out Juan Rameriz in two rounds. He defended the title with a twelve round points win over tough Eduardo ” Lalo ” Guerrero. Then on June 1st Vincente won a very important bout against future lightweight champion Ismael Laguna. Saldivar outscored the clever Laguna in ten rounds.

On September 26, 1964 Vincente Saldivar won the featherweight championship of the world. He battered the great champion Sugar Ramos and the bout ended in the twelfth round with a new champion being crowned. Saldivar was about to begin a campaign that eliminated all opposition to his throne. He started in 1965 by wearing down and finally stopping his game challenger Raul Rojas in the final round. In his next defense Vincente turned back the fierce challenge of Welshman Howard Winstone in fifteen rounds. These two would get to know each other very well over the next few years.

Saldivar opened 1966 with a two round kayo over Floyd Robertson. Next Vincente faced the stern challenge of Japan’s Mitsunori Seki. For the Japanese tiger, it would be his third shot at a world’s title. He failed in a 1961 bid to dethrone flyweight champion Pone Kingpetch and in 1964 he was beaten in six rounds by featherweight king Sugar Ramos. Seki gave Saldivar all he could handle but in the Vincente pounded out a decision victory.

Seki and Saldivar would meet again in 1967 and this time Vincente left no doubt to his claim to the title ending Seki’s challenge in the seventh round. Next was some unfinished business with Mr. Winstone. Again the spry and crafty Welshman traveled the fifteen round distance but in the end he fell short. The two bouts between Saldivar and Winstone were close enough to justify a third meeting. This time Saldivar ruled supreme ending Winstone’s dream in the twelfth round.

With really no one left to seriously challenge Vincente, he decided to retire. Quickly the World Boxing Council matched Saldivar’s two toughest challengers, Howard Winstone and Mitsunori Seki for the vacant title. On January 23, 1968 Howard Winstone finally got his championship beating Seki in nine rounds. Howard’s stay at the top was short lived as he lost the title to Spain’s Jose Legra in five rounds.

Finally there was some new blood in the division. Legra in turn would lose his crown by decision to Australia’s Johnny Famechon. Saldivar still felt he was the best featherweight in the world so he embarked on a come back. To prove he was worthy of a title shot he out fought Legra to win a ten round verdict. Then on May 9, 1970 in Rome, Italy Vincente met the champion Famechon. The Aussie was a very good fighter who had just sent the great Fighting Harada into retirement with a brutal fourteenth round kayo. Against Saldivar he was out boxed and out fought but gamely went the distance. The great Saldivar was king again.

It all came crashing down in his next fight. Vincente took on Japan’s Kuniaki Shibata. It seemed like Vincente grew old overnight. At times he boxed well and punched sharply but at other times seemed overwhelmed by the force of Shibata’s attacks. The Japanese fighter was very strong and tries as he might; Vincente was unable to hold him off. Finally it was over. It ended in the thirteenth round. The reign of Saldivar was over.

Maybe Vincente was not yet convinced he was through or maybe he wanted to go out a winner. Anyway Saldivar returned to the ring seven months later and out pointed the always-tough Frankie Crawford. Then two years later Saldivar again emerged to attempt to regain his throne. Former bantamweight champion Eder Jofre of Brazil had won recognition by the W.B.C. as featherweight champion by winning a majority decision over Jose Legra in May of 1973. Vincente would meet Jofre on October 21, 1973 in Brazil. What looked to be a great match up on paper turned out to be a bitter disappointment. Saldivar had nothing left. His great skills had eroded. Jofre was too strong and too powerful for the shell of this once great fighting machine. It ended in the fourth round and so did Saldivar’s career. There would be no more comebacks.

Vincente only had forty fights in his career. He won thirty-seven of them. He was a knockout winner on twenty-six occasions. He was the whole package in his prime. Pound for pound he was one of the best fighters in the 60’s.
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Rick Farris wrote:Tonight . . .

Well, my evening at The Staples Center has been called off at the last moment (family emergency for host), so, I'll just have to watch it on HBO. To be honest, I'm kinda glad. It's raining here in L.A. and I really want to see what I expect to be Shane's last big fight. If I were there, I'd be distracted. He's not only facing a pretty strong champ, but old age and legal issues that certainly must take one's mind off training. I like the guy and wish him the best. If he doesn't get lucky tonight, I hope he just takes the money and RUNS away from boxing.

-Rick
We're on the same page with this fight Rick. To use one of Mel's phrase, both guys are deserving.

Randy :TU:
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Bobbin & Weavin wrote:There was a time in the distant past that when a fighter lost a fight like Cotto lost to Margarito, said fighter would have to fight other top fighters and climb up the ladder before getting another title fight, those days are long gone, nowdays you lose soup A title fight, you just go and fight for the soup B title.
I was born to soon and so were my boys, other wise they would have been champs

Frank,
It wouldn't have been a question as to whether they would have won championships but how many championships if they would have been fighting today; of course I think of them on a higher level for what they did in their era than I think of most of these guys running around today claiming to be "World Champions!" :shame:
Bruce

Bruce,

I would like to think that you're right, but of course I am bias.... :box:
Frank, Bruce is right. All you need to do is look at Frankie's fight with Chango Cruz. His sixth fight with an established 10 round fighter. Fighters today are so protected. It's not their fault though. It's the promoters, managers, HBO and Showtime and all the other money hungry vultures that want to hang on to their meal tickets. It stunts their growth as fighters. Frankie and Tony were contenders when the word "Contender" really meant something. I see them as champions Frank. So do the guys here on this thread. We know the difference between then and now.
Check Francisco Villegas's record, he fought some good fighter, some were world champions, Frankie fought him in his ninth fight, he did pretty good too.... :TU:


Francisco Villegas

Country Puerto Rico
Global Id 18344
Division Bantamweight
Born 1948-09-10


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1978-12-08 Julio Valdez New York City, USA L UD 10
1978-11-18 Jaime Giminez Saint Thomas, Virgin Isla W KO 6
1978-10-21 Melvin Boynton Saint Thomas, Virgin Isla W KO 4
1977-04-16 Frankie Baltazar Miami Beach, USA L KO 6
1976-11-09 Julio Valdez New York City, USA L PTS 10
1976-04-05 Danny Trazinski San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1976-01-20 Vernon Sollas Kensington, United Kingdo L KO 7
1975-09-01 Leonardo Cruz San Juan, Puerto Rico L PTS 10
1975-06-09 Davey Vasquez San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
USBA Bantamweight Title
1975-05-05 Earl Large San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
USBA Bantamweight Title
1975-03-31 Alfredo Escalera San Juan, Puerto Rico D PTS 10
1975-02-08 Felix Figueroa San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
USBA Bantamweight Title
1974-12-08 Ruben Valdez Cartagena, Colombia D PTS 10
1974-10-05 Alfonso Zamora Ciudad Juarez, Mexico L KO 2
1974-08-03 Eliseo Cosme Mexico City, Mexico L KO 7
1974-05-30 Andres Torres Ponce, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1974-04-30 Antonio Zurdo Fuentes San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1974-02-18 Rodolfo Martinez San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1974-01-07 Carl Bible San Juan, Puerto Rico W KO 3
1973-12-29 Hector Espinosa San Juan, Puerto Rico D PTS 10
1973-11-22 Enrique Pinder San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1973-10-29 Natalio Jimenez San Juan, Puerto Rico W KO 10
1973-08-06 Natalio Jimenez New York City, USA W TKO 10
1973-06-23 Livio Nolasco San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1973-06-02 Tony Tris San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1973-04-16 Luciano Santos San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1973-03-12 Davey Vasquez New York City, USA W UD 10
1973-02-16 Santos Luis Rivera San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1972-08-08 Andres Torres San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1972-04-08 Samuel Serrano San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 12
Puerto Rican Featherweight Title
1971-10-25 Samuel Serrano San Juan, Puerto Rico L PTS 12
Puerto Rican Featherweight Title
1971-07-03 Enrique Roque San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 12
1971-05-22 Enrique Roque San Juan, Puerto Rico L PTS 10
1970-04-30 Benjamin Ramirez San Juan, Puerto Rico L PTS 12
Puerto Rican Featherweight Title
1970-03-21 Blas Viera San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1969-11-13 Wilson Yambo San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1969-10-11 Pablo Goncalves San Juan, Puerto Rico W KO 6
1969-10-10 Felix Sandoval San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1969-08-30 Carlos Santiago San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 8
1969-08-15 Luis Hernandez San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1969-07-28 Wilson Yambo San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 10
1969-07-21 Ruben De Jesus San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 8
1969-07-12 Blas Viera San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 8
1969-06-12 Juan Rivera San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 8
1969-05-10 Felix Sandoval San Juan, Puerto Rico W KO 5
1968-11-25 Elias Reyes San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 6
1968-11-12 Luis Hernandez San Juan, Puerto Rico W KO 5
1968-10-25 Elias Reyes San Juan, Puerto Rico W PTS 4
1968-10-10 Juan Rivera San Juan, Puerto Rico W KO 2

Record to Date
Won 36 (KOs 9) Lost 10 Drawn 3 Total 49
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Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:THE COYOTE

"Can't get a bounce in my legs."
Moyer once could shake off all the drinking ,but he couldn't do it anymore.
"I want to take a nap,but I just had one this afternoon,"he said.
"Maybe you need to skip some rope or go for a walk," I said to him.
"I'll do it, but all that's gonna do is make me more tired."
His fight was in a week. He hadn't shown too much so far in camp.
"Rog,take a walk with me. I need to get away from the gym."
That was his problem. He hadn't spent enough time in the gym. He'd get goin' shadow boxing and hitting the bags and he'd stop. Say he was all right,but you could see he needed a lot more work.
"You and Flaherty are the only ones that speak English up here,but Sid's with his damn dogs all the time."

Denny put on another sweat shirt and we started walkin up behind the gym up the side of the hill. Flaherty's gym was in the foothills along with his dog kennel. It was away from everything. Just where Denny needed to go to concentrate on training,but he was always antsy.Movin' around all the time. He was spent. Had a nervousness that just seemed to drain him. He couldn't build himself up anymore.

We started to wind our way up through the trees. Our footsteps walked cushiony on the fallen leaves of the big oaks.
"I don't feel right,"he said.
"You'll come around. You have enough in you now to take this guy."
"That ain't saying too much."
We reached a crest and leaned on a big rock. From there we could see the desert that ran flat across to Arizona.
"i'm going to quit this."
"Why? What's wrong?",I asked.
I looked at the Irishman's profile. He'd been in some wars. 15 years ago he was one of the best. A could box and think with Sugar Ray and Emile. It was amazing to see him work in those fights.
"You know what's wrong. I'm empty inside. All the fights. All the punches. I can't stay away from the liquor. I'm old. I can't rebound anymore."
"You'll be all right. You won't have a problem with the Mexican fighter."
Denny smirked. He was looking at the desert.
"He'll give me plenty of problems."
In back of us we heard a noise like someone running on the fallen leaves. We both turned suddenly. It was a coyote running with those hobbly steps the way coyotes run. The coyote was covered with an orangey mange.The coyote disappeared into the trees.

"Let's get back to the camp,"said Moyer. "Maybe I can work up a sweat on the heavy bag."

Good story. Interesting to read Moyer's quote- "but Sid's with his damn dogs all the time."
It's funny how one sentence can shift your mind into reverse and pinpoint a memory from days long ago.

The memory- It's 1971. Sid's partner Danny is in L.A. working with a boxer, on a Forum Club promotion held at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium.
Ken Norton is in the main-event. I'm in the six-round semi-main.
My trainer, Mel Epstein, has Johnny Villaflor as his 2nd, but Johnny gets sick and leaves. Mel gets Danny to fill in.
In the dressing room prior my fight, Danny is telling my friend Karl (who is a dog breeder) about the kennel he has with Sid. At the time they were raising malamutes.

Rog, when I read your stories, I need nothing to validate the tale. However, when deep into the story, I read a little comment like Moyer made, I think, "Rog really knows how to fine tune a story. That's real." Your memory and mine are often on the same page, my friend.

Thanks for bringing back the memory of a conversation that took place nearly 38-years-ago. The conversation we had with Danny Rodriguez that night is worth remembering, not the fight I had later. That night I was a dog, and the fleas were biting.


-Rick Farris
As always Rog, well written and a quick peak inside the soul of a man. It comes to me right now why both your paintings and your writing are so special. You never go for the obvious reality. You deliver the oblique, the essence, a peak inside the soul. You go beyond the exterior. You deliver what most of us don't see or if we do we don't know how to translate it, to articulate it. God has blessed you with a gift. Your real gift Rog is not your ability to paint or write, though that is a large part of it, your ability is deliver the essence, the unseen quality of your subject. That is your gift. That is what makes your writing and paintings so enjoyable.

It's funny Rick, but when I read that same comment I immediately thought of your friend Karl, who raised Airedales. It made me think of that night at Pinnacle Peak's in San Dimas. A word, an aroma or a song can take you back. I just finished eating a big bowl of menudo con patas. Guess who I thought of?

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scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Tony in 7 or 8 rounds.
I pick Margarito, by decision. I believe Shane will stay on his feet? Regardless of the result, this one is going to hurt Mosely.
Rick, I like Margarito by decision also. If anything, Mosley still has a great jaw and I believe he even will get off to a good start, maybe copping the first three rounds before the Margarito pressure takes over. Y'know, my Pops and I have had a tradition. On the night of a big fight, we'd order ribs from the 'Patio' (a chain here in the Chicago area - outstanding ribs - anyone else heard of this restaurant?) and a couple of brewski's and sit down for the big fight. When my Dad was more mobile and more independent, I would eagerly await the headlights from his big Dodge Dakota beaming through the family room as he turned into my driveway. Always at my designated time, he was always prompt on fight night. I'd order the carryout, we'd chow down, put down a couple of bottles of the golden elixir and then get antsy awaiting the bell for round one. Nowadays, I pick him up, still order the ribs, although I watch his diet a bit more and give him a dispensation for one bottle of suds only, but we still eagerly await the bell for round one. It will be no different tonight and the tradition continues.

Scartissue
Thanks for sharing that about your pops, Dan. It flooded my mind with memories of my own father. He loved nothing better than coming over to our house on fight night. My friends loved him. The last time we saw a fight together at my house was November 25, 1980, the second Duran-Leonard fight. Hard to believe it's been that long. God bless your Pops!!

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dagosd2000 wrote:THE COYOTE

"Can't get a bounce in my legs."
Moyer once could shake off all the drinking ,but he couldn't do it anymore.
"I want to take a nap,but I just had one this afternoon,"he said.
"Maybe you need to skip some rope or go for a walk," I said to him.
"I'll do it, but all that's gonna do is make me more tired."
His fight was in a week. He hadn't shown too much so far in camp.
"Rog,take a walk with me. I need to get away from the gym."
That was his problem. He hadn't spent enough time in the gym. He'd get goin' shadow boxing and hitting the bags and he'd stop. Say he was all right,but you could see he needed a lot more work.
"You and Flaherty are the only ones that speak English up here,but Sid's with his damn dogs all the time."

Denny put on another sweat shirt and we started walkin up behind the gym up the side of the hill. Flaherty's gym was in the foothills along with his dog kennel. It was away from everything. Just where Denny needed to go to concentrate on training,but he was always antsy.Movin' around all the time. He was spent. Had a nervousness that just seemed to drain him. He couldn't build himself up anymore.

We started to wind our way up through the trees. Our footsteps walked cushiony on the fallen leaves of the big oaks.
"I don't feel right,"he said.
"You'll come around. You have enough in you now to take this guy."
"That ain't saying too much."
We reached a crest and leaned on a big rock. From there we could see the desert that ran flat across to Arizona.
"i'm going to quit this."
"Why? What's wrong?",I asked.
I looked at the Irishman's profile. He'd been in some wars. 15 years ago he was one of the best. A could box and think with Sugar Ray and Emile. It was amazing to see him work in those fights.
"You know what's wrong. I'm empty inside. All the fights. All the punches. I can't stay away from the liquor. I'm old. I can't rebound anymore."
"You'll be all right. You won't have a problem with the Mexican fighter."
Denny smirked. He was looking at the desert.
"He'll give me plenty of problems."
In back of us we heard a noise like someone running on the fallen leaves. We both turned suddenly. It was a coyote running with those hobbly steps the way coyotes run. The coyote was covered with an orangey mange.The coyote disappeared into the trees.

"Let's get back to the camp,"said Moyer. "Maybe I can work up a sweat on the heavy bag."
Man , I like this .
This post is BOXING. Its the human side of the game that Rog has captured here.
The old champ hangin in there. Too many fights, too many high balls, too many whatever.
If boxing was only about the pretty boys and the glamour, nobody would give a damn about it.Its fighting. Its life.
Neither of em are a fu..in maypole dance.
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I pick Margarito, by decision. I believe Shane will stay on his feet? Regardless of the result, this one is going to hurt Mosely.[/quote]

Rick, I like Margarito by decision also. If anything, Mosley still has a great jaw and I believe he even will get off to a good start, maybe copping the first three rounds before the Margarito pressure takes over. Y'know, my Pops and I have had a tradition. On the night of a big fight, we'd order ribs from the 'Patio' (a chain here in the Chicago area - outstanding ribs - anyone else heard of this restaurant?) and a couple of brewski's and sit down for the big fight. When my Dad was more mobile and more independent, I would eagerly await the headlights from his big Dodge Dakota beaming through the family room as he turned into my driveway. Always at my designated time, he was always prompt on fight night. I'd order the carryout, we'd chow down, put down a couple of bottles of the golden elixir and then get antsy awaiting the bell for round one. Nowadays, I pick him up, still order the ribs, although I watch his diet a bit more and give him a dispensation for one bottle of suds only, but we still eagerly await the bell for round one. It will be no different tonight and the tradition continues.

Scartissue[/quote]

Thanks for sharing that about your pops, Dan. It flooded my mind with memories of my own father. He loved nothing better than coming over to our house on fight night. My friends loved him. The last time we saw a fight together at my house was November 25, 1980, the second Duran-Leonard fight. Hard to believe it's been that long. God bless your Pops!!

Randy :box:[/quote]

Thanks, Randy. Next time I meet up with you, we'll tip a bottle for our old fellas. Deal?

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