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scartissue wrote:I pick Margarito, by decision. I believe Shane will stay on his feet? Regardless of the result, this one is going to hurt Mosely.
Rick, I like Margarito by decision also. If anything, Mosley still has a great jaw and I believe he even will get off to a good start, maybe copping the first three rounds before the Margarito pressure takes over. Y'know, my Pops and I have had a tradition. On the night of a big fight, we'd order ribs from the 'Patio' (a chain here in the Chicago area - outstanding ribs - anyone else heard of this restaurant?) and a couple of brewski's and sit down for the big fight. When my Dad was more mobile and more independent, I would eagerly await the headlights from his big Dodge Dakota beaming through the family room as he turned into my driveway. Always at my designated time, he was always prompt on fight night. I'd order the carryout, we'd chow down, put down a couple of bottles of the golden elixir and then get antsy awaiting the bell for round one. Nowadays, I pick him up, still order the ribs, although I watch his diet a bit more and give him a dispensation for one bottle of suds only, but we still eagerly await the bell for round one. It will be no different tonight and the tradition continues.

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Thanks for sharing that about your pops, Dan. It flooded my mind with memories of my own father. He loved nothing better than coming over to our house on fight night. My friends loved him. The last time we saw a fight together at my house was November 25, 1980, the second Duran-Leonard fight. Hard to believe it's been that long. God bless your Pops!!

Randy :box:[/quote]

Thanks, Randy. Next time I meet up with you, we'll tip a bottle for our old fellas. Deal?

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We'll do that Dan! :TU: :TU:
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Is it me or does Margarito look sluggish and weak?
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I pick Margarito to win this fight because of Mosley's age, but I have always said that Margarito is not a well school fighter, he tough, but thats all he has... :box:
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kikibalt wrote:I pick Margarito to win this fight because of Mosley's age, but I have always said that Margarito is not a well school fighter, he tough, but thats all he has... :box:
Well Mosley took him to school tonight, that's for sure!! Congrats to Mosley, he fought a hell of a fight! Both guys showed some class when Larry Merchant interviewed them. :box:
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kikibalt wrote:I pick Margarito to win this fight because of Mosley's age, but I have always said that Margarito is not a well school fighter, he tough, but thats all he has... :box:
Frank
When they said that Tony had to re wrap his hands because of that hardening agent ,I turned to a buddy I was watching the fight with and said that I smell an upset. You're right about Tony being un schooled,but maybe that toughness that he always displayed was left on the dressing room floor before this fight. I wonder how many of his fights were won with that stuff in his gloves?
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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:I pick Margarito to win this fight because of Mosley's age, but I have always said that Margarito is not a well school fighter, he tough, but thats all he has... :box:
Frank
When they said that Tony had to re wrap his hands because of that hardening agent ,I turned to a buddy I was watching the fight with and said that I smell an upset. You're right about Tony being un schooled,but maybe that toughness that he always displayed was left on the dressing room floor before this fight. I wonder how many of his fights were won with that stuff in his gloves?
Rog...I don't think the wraping had much to do with Margarito losing this fight, he just met a guy with to many skills to his none...
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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:I pick Margarito to win this fight because of Mosley's age, but I have always said that Margarito is not a well school fighter, he tough, but thats all he has... :box:
Frank
When they said that Tony had to re wrap his hands because of that hardening agent ,I turned to a buddy I was watching the fight with and said that I smell an upset. You're right about Tony being un schooled,but maybe that toughness that he always displayed was left on the dressing room floor before this fight. I wonder how many of his fights were won with that stuff in his gloves?
Rog...I don't think the wraping had much to do with Margarito losing this fight, he just met a guy with to many skills to his none...
You're right Frank. Toughness by itself will only take you so far. I thought Mosley looked old when he fought Mayorga. Sooner or later it's bound to happen but tonight he fought like a much younger man. He gave a nod to California fighters. Did you catch that?

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Randy..no, I didn't see the nod, when did he do that?
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kikibalt wrote:Randy..no, I didn't see the nod, when did he do that?
He said Something about being a California fighter, that they never quit. I wonder what Oscar thought about that?
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Mosley fought Margarito the way Frankie did Chango Cruz, staying away for the rope as much as possible and picking you opponent apart... :TU:
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Randy..no, I didn't see the nod, when did he do that?
He said Something about being a California fighter, that they never quit. I wonder what Oscar thought about that?
Yeah! I wonder what Oscar thought about that?, I didn't see that though, I walked away from the TV as soon as the ref. stopped the fight... :witzend:
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kikibalt wrote:Mosley fought Margarito the way Frankie did Chango Cruz, staying away for the rope as much as possible and picking you opponent apart... :TU:
Good comparison Frank. Especially staying cool when fighting close, and still avoiding the shots. Frankie had a quick counter right hand, instinctive, more so than Mosley. Like you said the boys were born to early.

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Nite all.... :bow:
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kikibalt wrote:Nite all.... :bow:
Good night Frank. I'm hitting the hay too! :TU:
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Well done, Mosley. Class always tells.
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Frank
When they said that Tony had to re wrap his hands because of that hardening agent ,I turned to a buddy I was watching the fight with and said that I smell an upset. You're right about Tony being un schooled,but maybe that toughness that he always displayed was left on the dressing room floor before this fight. I wonder how many of his fights were won with that stuff in his gloves?[/quote]
Rog...I don't think the wraping had much to do with Margarito losing this fight, he just met a guy with to many skills to his none...[/quote]

You're right Frank. Toughness by itself will only take you so far. I thought Mosley looked old when he fought Mayorga. Sooner or later it's bound to happen but tonight he fought like a much younger man. He gave a nod to California fighters. Did you catch that?

Randy :TU:[/quote]

The Cotto and Mayorga fights for Mosley were my barometer going into this fight too, Randy. I thought Mosley's reflexes were gone and he was relying only on his punch. But he showed he still has a jab and some snap to the combos. Of course, Margarito is always there for someone to hit, but he has shown such teak-toughness and a Pipino Cuevas-like jaw (pre-Hearns) that I wasn't foreseeing this. Way to go, Shane.

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Shane Mosley shows he's not finished

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Shane Mosley finishes a flurry that led to Antonio Margarito's corner throwing in the towel in the ninth round of their WBA welterweight championship fight Saturday night at Staples Center.

On a night when he was expected to get run over by a Brink's truck, he cashed in instead.

Mosley was supposed to lose this welterweight title fight Saturday night. To the victor went the World Boxing Assn. belt at 147 pounds. That was supposed to be Margarito, who looks and usually fights as if he'd just as soon stomp you as look at you. Instead, it went to the 37-year-old Mosley, who was supposed to be target practice for the seven-year-younger Mexican warrior.

But for eight rounds and 23 seconds of a ninth, Margarito was the target. As the fight went on, the only question became whether or not Mosley could continue landing power punches for a full 12 rounds. Turns out, that wasn't an issue.

In the eighth, after Margarito had started fast and threatened to finally win a round, Mosley summoned up one more barrage of energy and hit his opponent with a flurry that finally knocked down a fighter who has been about as sinkable as a catamaran.

With Margarito down in one corner, a somewhat bemused look on his face -- as if to say that this just wasn't happening to him -- Mosley went to the far corner while the referee counted over the fallen Mexican. In that moment, a snapshot of the fight was there for the taking: The indestructible Margarito, crawling and scrambling to find his equilibrium; the destroyer Mosley, leaning over the ropes, gasping for breath.

It was over at that moment, even though Margarito made it to his feet and the bell ended the round.

They mistakenly allowed Margarito to come back out for the ninth, even though he hadn't walked to his corner after the knockdown, he had wobbled. And in short order, Mosley summoned up enough energy to unleash one more flurry. As referee Raul Caiz Sr. stepped in to end the flurry 23 seconds into the ninth, white towels were already flying through the air from Margarito's corner.

They were 23 seconds late.

This turned out to be an incredible night of entertainment for an incredible crowd at Staples Center. The announced attendance of 20,820 was the largest for any event at the 10-year-old jewel of L.A. sports.

Mosley said his success was in his preparation.

"I trained so hard, and I was so focused," he said.

Both with that statement, and with his performance in the ring, the veteran from Pomona addressed all speculation that several situations might distract him from the task at hand. He is going through marital problems. He also must eventually address speculation fueled by the recent release of grand jury transcripts indicating that he admitted using performance-enhancing drugs before his 2003 victory over Oscar De La Hoya.

Add to that the bizarre pre-match story about Mosley's camp catching Margarito with a Plaster of Paris-like substance on his hand wraps as they were being taped for the fight. Margarito was ordered to wash that off, some of it was gathered as evidence for future investigation by Mosley's lawyer, and Mosley's reaction was that it showed "Margarito was scared."

Turns out, he had reason to be.

Later, Mosley acknowledged the controversy and said, "My trainer [Nazim Richardson] was on his job. He caught him. We both have to wrap our hands the same way."

Margarito's trainer, Javier Capetillo, said he was stunned by the fight, as certainly were the highly partisan Margarito fans in Staples.

"It seemed something happened in the first round," Capetillo said. "He was too slow. He wasn't reacting properly. It was frustrating to watch."

This was supposed to be the popgun versus the brick wall. Margarito was expected to merely keep coming forward, as he did in his last fight when he wore down and defeated the once-indestructible Miguel Cotto. Mosley was expected to jab and chop and duck and weave and hope to score enough points and stay on his feet long enough to take a decision.

Turns out the experts had the brawler label on the wrong boxer. Mosley was faster, stronger, hit harder, wanted it more and was in better shape. At times, Margarito looked like a drunken sailor, stumbling out of the tavern at 2 a.m.

Bernard Hopkins, star light-heavyweight boxer and along with Mosley a member of De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions team, had it right when he said in the days before the fight that (1) "Margarito does not have a reverse in his car" and (2) "Mosley will win."

With one of his wonderful malapropisms, Hopkins also said of those who saw the fight otherwise, "We will have to disagree to agree."

Afterward, there was no disagreement about what happened on this night of sound and fury. The boxer nicknamed "Sugar Shane" had one sweet night at Staples.

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Antonio Margarito's sudden rise takes a beating

The fighter's loss to Shane Mosley gives him little chance at an $11-million December bout with Manny Pacquiao.

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Antonio Margarito lost more than a fight Saturday.

After suffering through nine rounds of brutal punishment at the gloved but deadly hands of Shane Mosley at Staples Center, Margarito hobbled from the ring without his WBC welterweight championship belt, with little chance at a potential $11-million December date with Manny Pacquiao and with no clue where it all went.

Oh, and as if that weren't enough, Margarito may be about to lose much of the respect he has in the boxing world after a suspicious substance likened to plaster of Paris was removed from his hand wrappings before he left the dressing room.

The California State Athletic Commission has reportedly seized two pads and is investigating, but since the substance was removed from Margarito's hand wraps before he entered the ring, Saturday's bout wasn't affected -- though the champion's focus clearly was.

"I just kept getting caught," a dazed Margarito said. "I just kept caught over and over."


His corner -- as well as a pro-Margarito crowd of 20,820 -- was equally confused.

"Something happened in the first round," his trainer Javier Capetillo said. "He didn't seem to be really [fighting]. It was frustrating for me to watch.

"It could have been a focus problem. He kept getting hit by hard rights."

It may have started in the first round -- or perhaps in the dressing room beforehand -- but it continued until 23 seconds into the ninth round when Capetillo threw in the towel after watching his defenseless fighter, both hands at his side, take shot after shot as he slumped against the ropes near his corner.

"Why'd they stop it?" Margarito, who apparently lost his senses as well, asked from the ring. "I could have continued."

For Margarito, who grew up poor on the potholed streets of Tijuana, it was an inglorious end to what was shaping up to be a fairy tale. After leaving home as a teenager, he turned to boxing to keep him out of trouble -- and it may have saved his life after he turned pro at 15.

He married his grade-school sweetheart, fought his way up the ladder by fighting for little more than cab fare in dank Mexican gyms and the ballrooms of cheap California hotels before finally reaching the big time with a convincing 11th-round knockout of previously unbeaten Miguel Cotto in July.

He made $1.6 million for that fight, and $2.3 million Saturday. His promoter, Bob Arum, confident of a victory over Mosley, was already talking of a rematch with Cotto in June and a bout with Pacquiao, the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, in December.

And since Arum promotes all three boxers, there's a good chance he could have made all that happen.

David Copperfield couldn't make that happen now.

Afterward, Mosley said he wanted Cotto (32-1) next -- though Cotto has a date with Michael Jennings (34-1) next month to get through first.

"Cotto is the next biggest fight. I want to fight mega-fights," Mosley said.

A gracious Mosley also talked about a rematch with Margarito. That, however, seems unlikely in the near future, especially given the alleged subterfuge that took place before Saturday's fight.

Mosley's physician, Dr. Robert Olvera, said the substance taken from Margarito's wrapped hands was similar to the material used to make casts.

"It gets hard and mobile," he said, likening the substance to plaster of Paris.

Judd Burstein, Mosley's lawyer, said concerns of a scenario similar to the one he said played out Saturday had been discussed at the rules meeting Friday and "they went ahead and violated it" anyway.

An official with Golden Boy Promotions, Mosley's promoter, which of late has been making nice with rival Top Rank, Margarito's promoter, called it "a serious offense. That's cheating."

For his part the 37-year-old Mosley, who seemed to absolve the 30-year-old Margarito of any blame afterward, praised his trainer, Nazzim Richardson.

"My trainer was on his job," he said. "He caught him."

Top Rank President Todd duBoef, meanwhile, tried to downplay the incident, saying that he was told only that additional gauze had been taken from his fighter's hands.

No matter how that eventually plays out, Margarito, who went straight from the ring to the hospital, is now left to pick up the shattered pieces of a career -- and perhaps of plaster -- that flamed out just as it appeared to be taking off.

"My life has changed a lot," he said in the days leading up to the fight. "It's changed in that everyone wants an autograph, they want to shake my hand. But I still want to give more.

"The truth is, I have a lot more to accomplish."

Especially given all that he lost Saturday.

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These Raiders just won, baby

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Everything about the L.A. Raiders' 1984 champions was outsized, from their play-hard, live-fast ethos to their ostentatious Super Bowl rings

By Sam Farmer
Reporting from Tampa, Fla. -- The world champion Los Angeles Raiders.

The name has quite a ring to it.

A big, glistening Super Bowl ring -- the only one ever won by an L.A. team; a ring from the 1983 season that seldom leaves the finger of old Raiders such as defensive lineman Greg Townsend. He remembers Raiders owner Al Davis "wanted a ring so nice and clean, if we met the queen we wouldn't be afraid to show it to her."

Twenty-five years ago, the Raiders were king. This is, appropriately, their silver anniversary. That silver-and-black team dominated the Washington Redskins, 38-9, right here in Tampa, site of Super Bowl XLIII between the Arizona Cardinals and Pittsburgh Steelers.

"We weren't city champs, we weren't state champs, we were world champs," said Townsend, whose voice still cracks at the words. "If nothing else -- if nothing else -- they can say that about me."

They can say it about Coach Tom Flores too, and Jim Plunkett, Marcus Allen, Lyle Alzado, Todd Christensen, Mike Haynes, Lester Hayes, Howie Long and the rest of the roster.

Then, there's the massive rectangular ring, silver with a black background, and clusters of diamonds forming three footballs on end -- representing the club's NFL championships in the 1976, 1980 and 1983 seasons.

"People still go goo-goo and gaga over it," Townsend said. "I love looking at it. It's still a huge deal for me. All sparkly."

There are enduring memories from the game, at the time the most lopsided Super Bowl. There was Jack Squirek's interception for a touchdown at the end of the first half, Allen's field-reversing 74-yard touchdown run, Davis' raising his fist on the locker-room platform and giving the world a "Just win, baby!"

"Just like Al Davis said in the locker room, we weren't just the greatest Raiders team, but one of the greatest teams of all time," said Rod Martin, a star linebacker on that team. "We were so confident to the point where we just felt invincible."

And on that Super Bowl night -- with the world watching -- they were. But there are lots of behind-the-scenes stories the cameras didn't capture, the microphones didn't pick up, the players didn't talk about at the time.

Ten stories, mostly from the Raiders' side of Super Bowl XVIII, you're not likely to have heard or read:

IWashington is a lot closer to Tampa than L.A. is, but Davis wanted the Redskins to feel like strangers in a strange land.

And there's no land stranger than Raiderland.

So Davis, in a brilliant piece of psychological warfare, rented benches and billboards all over Tampa and plastered them with signs reading, "COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE." He made a special effort to post those along the Redskins' route from the airport to their hotel.

What's more, Davis had thousands of paper place mats printed with the Raiders' logo and sayings, and distributed them to all the fast-food restaurants around Washington's hotel. Anything to make the Redskins feel like guests who had worn out their welcome.

Lastly, he made sure that 60,000 Raiders pompoms were handed out by Boy Scouts in the surrounding parking lots before the game. The NFL wouldn't allow the Raiders -- or any team -- to hand those out at the gates.

By kickoff, the stadium was awash in silver and black. Instant fans!

IIDavis also knew what motivated his players -- and it wasn't pompoms, place mats or bus benches.

It was cold cash.

An undeniable incentive was the $38,000 each member of the winning team would receive. That was a staggering amount, considering the average NFL salary in 1983 was $152,800.

To inspire his troops the week before the game, Davis had team executive Mike Ornstein withdraw a huge amount of money in $1 bills -- Ornstein remembers it being $100,000 -- and form a massive pile of cash in a large meeting room. The money was then covered with a sheet that Flores pulled off with his team watching. The message: If you win, here's what your reward will look like.

"The players went nuts," Ornstein recalled. "When you see that much money sitting there, it's pretty impressive."

It wasn't all about the wallet, of course. Not even close.

"We knew the money was going to be there," Martin said. "We still had the love of the game. We wanted to prove to people that you can be the underdogs and still be the champions."

IIIOccasionally, with all the practicing they do, teams hit an emotional flatline during Super Bowl week. They go crazy waiting for kickoff. In those situations, some teams respond to a rousing pep talk.

The Raiders preferred a good fistfight.

"We had a reputation that every time we'd have a fight in practice, we were going to win," defensive tackle Reggie Kinlaw said. "Every week we had a fight. Grab a face mask, slap him around."

That's what happened during Super Bowl week, when offensive line coach Sam Boghosian pulled aside linebacker Matt Millen and told him to pick a fight with someone. So, on the next play, Millen came in on a blitz and started throwing punches.

His combatant? Guard Mickey Marvin, one of the friendliest, most gentlemanly guys on the team. In the retelling, different people have different versions as to why Millen picked Marvin. Some say it was because Millen decided before the snap that he'd fight whoever picked him up on the blitz. Others say it was because Marvin wasn't a very good fighter, and the smaller Millen figured he could get in a few good punches before the big bear turned on him.

IVPeople could see right tackle Henry Lawrence coming from a mile away.

Almost literally.

Lawrence, who answered to the nickname "Killer," drove a canary-yellow Cadillac Eldorado with whitewalls, running boards, a spare-tire case on the back, and -- just for show -- glistening chrome pipes sprouting up from the undercarriage.

"There was no mistaking whose car it was when you saw it anywhere in Los Angeles," Townsend said.

And Lawrence was a man about town. He used to hit the bars all over, particularly the ones with live music. He loved to sit in and sing, and he had a good voice. "(Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay" was one of his favorites.

In light of his wheels, it's not surprising that Lawrence's favorite saying on the football field -- one yelled throughout Super Bowl week -- was, "Drive that car, man! Drive that car!"

Even if his teammates didn't always know precisely what he meant, they did know this: When the Raiders' offense was rolling, standing in their way was like stepping off the curb into traffic. Blindfolded.

VOn Thursday night before the game, Long learned more than he ever wanted to know about Super Bowl traffic patterns. He was rushing back to the team hotel after making a paid TV appearance, when cars slowed to a crawl about a half-mile from his destination. He was driving a generic rental car that was utterly nondescript . . . except for the giant Super Bowl decal on the side.

Realizing he was going to miss curfew if he stayed in that bumper-to-bumper snarl, Long simply left his car in the street and ran back to the hotel.

Ah, to be a 23-year-old football star . . .

Long, by the way, barely made it back to his room in time.

"Good thing Willie Brown started bed-check at the other end of the hall," he said.

VIOn game day, just as they did each week, Long, Alzado and Bill Pickel took a taxi to the stadium. (They liked to get there very early to prepare.)

"Today, if we were taking a cab to the stadium, roads would be blocked off, there would be concrete barriers, helicopter escorts, police escorts . . . " Long said.

Back then, traffic was the only problem -- and there was a lot of it. The players decided to get out of the cab and walk the final three-quarters of a mile to the stadium, through a sea of Raiders and Redskins fans.

"How surreal was that in 1984? Probably a little bit," Long said. "But today, it would be Martian level. It would be like seeing E.T. walking down the street. Imagine if you're at the Super Bowl now, and all of a sudden you see Ben Roethlisberger come walking down the street with his shoulder bag."

VIIWashington, which had beaten the Raiders at home, 37-35, earlier in the season, was favored by three points.

Judging by the body language of the Redskins during warmups, however, they didn't think the game would be that close.

"You know when the special teams go out a little bit early?" Haynes said. "When they came out, the crowd reacted and the players reacted like they were the best team. Like they didn't have to prove it. I had a feeling like, 'Gosh, these guys don't even respect us.' "

Haynes, a Pro Bowl cornerback, had yet to be traded to the Raiders when the teams played earlier in the season and second-year sensation Allen participated in one play because of a sore hip. Star receiver Cliff Branch also was sidelined by a hamstring injury early in that game. So these Super Bowl Raiders were a different team.

But Washington players didn't seem a bit concerned about that.

"There was definitely no fear in them," Haynes said. "You could see it in their body language, the way they warmed up, the way they looked at our players, the way they even said hello. It wasn't like they really had a lot of respect for us."

Oops.

VIIIRaiders-Redskins was the first Super Bowl for longtime NFL writer Larry Weisman of USA Today. Naturally, because he was a rookie, he didn't get the plum assignment.

His beat was waiting in the Redskins' hotel lobby and reporting on tidbits he could pick up from players. He was, in a way, a Washington lobbyist.

Truth be told, he didn't report everything he saw.

"There were certain comings and goings which decency and family standards limited my reporting," he said.

"Plus," he added, "I didn't want to get punched in the face."

IXTwenty-four hours before kickoff, Steve Sabol, then a jack-of-all-trades for NFL Films, was at Tampa Stadium going through a dry run with the rest of the crew.

At one point, heeding nature's call, Sabol walked into a men's room. There, he heard a woman's voice coming from one of the stalls. Then, he heard a man's voice coming from the same stall.

Awkward as it was, he walked over and slowly pushed open the door.

Inside was a sheepish and fully clothed couple dressed head to toe in Raiders garb. At their feet was a cooler, presumably containing their dinner. They had planned to sneak into the game by waiting it out in the restroom -- overnight! -- and made Sabol promise not to rat them out. Maybe they were going to use those paper toilet-seat covers as place mats. Or bibs.

Either way, Sabol kept his word.

"I didn't tell anybody," he said. "I don't know if they got into the game or not."

The guy sitting way up in the nosebleeds might have been happy to know his weren't the absolute worst seats in the house.

XThe NFL Films recap of Super Bowl XVIII was called "Black Sunday" and is a collector's item among fans of the great narrator John Facenda.

Why?

It was the final film for Facenda, 74, who died of lung cancer three months later.

Sabol penned the script for that film, and said Facenda made the words in the last line "sound like they were carved on stone tablets."

The words: "The 1983 Raiders are an honor to the team's glorious past, and the world champions of pro football's present."

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What the heck is going on with Tonys wraps?
A guy from the commision always initials the wraps once they are on the hands no?
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I bet £10 on Mosley to win at odds of 10/3 (roughly 3/1). Not because I thought he would win, but I didn't think he was a 3/1 shot, its only a 2 horse race after all (so to speak), and there was always the chance however small he would pull out one last great performance. I got back £43.33. :)
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Boxingnut wrote:I bet £10 on Mosley to win at odds of 10/3 (roughly 3/1). Not because I thought he would win, but I didn't think he was a 3/1 shot, its only a 2 horse race after all (so to speak), and there was always the chance however small he would pull out one last great performance. I got back £43.33. :)
Can I have my 10% now?
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Front and Center: Brother Nazim (Naseem) Richardson

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By Ted Sares - …

our camp usually runs smooth with Bernard because of his lifestyle. He comes to camp in great shape, so there’s never really any concern about weight. It’s just about preparing him for the task that lies ahead… --Nazim Richardson

…he’s (Richardson) not trying to change me or trying to switch up, just recreating all the stuff that I already know…You know with Nazim, he trains fighters that are amateurs and professionals. So he has both backgrounds and sometimes when we turn pro we start forgetting different things about some of the things that got us to where we were at as the champions. --Sugar Shane Mosley (from Dave Sholler, January 23, 2009, caller.com)

When Sugar Shane Mosley entered the ring against Antonio Margarito, it was with an unfamiliar face in his corner, new trainer Brother Nazim Richardson. But savvy boxing fans knew that this was the same trainer who devised the strategy that worked so well for 43-year old Bernard Hopkins when he upset Kelly Pavlik last year.

Richardson, who trains his son, the streaking Rock Allen (14-0), has been a member of the Hopkins team for some time and had taken over for Bouie Fisher (who ostensibly had been fired by Hopkins prior to the second Jermaine Taylor fight). However, when he suffered a slight stroke, he was replaced by Freddie Roach to handle Bernard’s fight with Winky Wright.

With Richardson back and in “The Executioner”’s corner against the favored Pavlik, Hopkins, with his incomparable ring savvy, fought a disciplined and focused fight beating Pavlik to the punch throughout and winning convincingly.

Mosley’s win over the Tijuana Tornado was a total bloodletting He also came in disciplined and totally focused (despite seemingly daunting distractions), throwing repeated rights mixed with fast combinations, and outworking Margarito to the body. Then, when Margarito went after him, Sugar Shane would tie him up preventing any sustained attack. In short, he exploited Margorito’s one-dimensional attack right up until the devastating and shocking end.

Thus, Richardson, heretofore a low-profile but highly respected boxing man out of Philadelphia, has now guided two fighters to monster wins that were marked by their strategic excellence. And two wins in which his fighters won virtually every round. With great technically sound boxers like Mosley and Hopkins, Richardson didn’t have to overhaul anything nor teach them much of anything; he found holes in their opponents and then tweaked and adjusted as necessary. He sure knew how to do it. While both Pavlik and Margarito had youth, power, and workrate on their side, Richardson deftly muffled those advantages by exploiting their weaknesses of lack of speed and versatility.

Curiously, not much comes up when one googles Boxrec Boxing Encyclopedia under Nazim Richardson; heck, I couldn’t even come up with a photo of Brother Nazim.

Look for that to change.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvLeCMTofE

YOUR CHEATIN' HEART

Got a question for you Tony. Did you have that plaster of paris in your hands when you beat Cotto? You busted him up pretty bad. You were a 3 to 1 underdog in that one. For Shane you were 4 to 1 ahead in the odds. Shane lost to the guy that you hurt that night. I'm curious. So you were going to load them up against Mosely. Bust him up like you did Cotto. Well you got caught. Good. Real good you got caught. Jack Mosely was sitting ringside. How would he have felt watching his son get hurt by a fighter with cement in his mitts?

Now you go back to TJ. Mexico is pretty unforgiving when their heros get smashed to the canvas like you did. Didn't look too tough. Maybe you needed a little help.

Better watch your ass down there now. You may need a lot more help than you think.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

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kikibalt wrote:
Boxingnut wrote:I bet £10 on Mosley to win at odds of 10/3 (roughly 3/1). Not because I thought he would win, but I didn't think he was a 3/1 shot, its only a 2 horse race after all (so to speak), and there was always the chance however small he would pull out one last great performance. I got back £43.33. :)
Can I have my 10% now?
Check's in the post Frank :TU:
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