Brown envelope got Walker rated - Allegedly!!!!

xtremebox · Post by **xtremebox** » 23 Jun 2004, 19:16

Received a call today stating that David Walker received an EBU shot due to money changing hands with EBU Personnel (allegedly of course)

Does anyone know how Walker got rated to face the Russian Karmazine?

Was it the Board who nominated him or was it a well known Belguim agent and his brown envelope that got him rated.

Either way it was irresponsible to let Walker in with a top class fighter.

Seems a nice kid, but is shot to bits thanks to Henneseey and co.

Investigation in order one thinks.

Adios Amigos!

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 23 Jun 2004, 19:22

he wasn't nominated i dont think. I assume it was a voluntary defence, i aint sure then. I'd be very surprised if he got nominated coming off a defeat to Jimmy Vincent that year.

xtremebox · Post by **xtremebox** » 23 Jun 2004, 19:29

You're right. I looked into it and it is bizarre but makes sense. Apparently Phil Fundoo, who was looking for work for his boxer arranged it with a referee who is a contibuter on this site!

The plot thickens......

If this is true, do we have an IBF type situation where certain parties end up in the clink?

I wonder if anyone official can shed some light on this allegation?

Surely, the Board and BBC must have raised their eyebrows at this fight.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 23 Jun 2004, 19:31

well referees shouldn;'t be involved in match making, but other thn that what's wrong with it. If it was voluntary surely Karmazin can defend against who he wishes to?

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 23 Jun 2004, 19:51

Surely this argument can be extened to mismatches in general - whether there is a belt involved or not.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 23 Jun 2004, 19:57

yeah, it is true thgat it was a total mistmatch. It's the type of fight you gamble on at the end of your career.

xtremebox · Post by **xtremebox** » 23 Jun 2004, 20:05

Are you all missing the point. Do you earn ratings or buy them?

Walker did not deserve a shot at the European or even the British. How did it happen. legitimately or corruptly?

Wasn't the Ref the same one who did the fight, can anyone remember?

Don't you have to defend against a rated contender?

How did Walker get rated from nowhere?

Umm, bit smelly don't you think?

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 23 Jun 2004, 20:37

It was Mickey Vann who was the ref for that fight. The 3 judges was also british.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 24 Jun 2004, 05:24

xtremebox wrote:Are you all missing the point. Do you earn ratings or buy them?

While we're on the subject, how do you "earn" a WBU title shot, care to enlighten us? Is it just a hot line you call, then key in the right numbers? Two for the price of one, or something like that?

How did Gavin Rees become WBO No#1 contender? What rated fighters did he beat?
Please ask Frank and let us know

buzz · Post by **buzz** » 24 Jun 2004, 06:38

Brown envelope got Walker rated....................

So effin what, wasn't the first and won't be the last.

Walker was given a chance and took it.

Atleast his promoter will match him with decent guys and atleast he will fight decent guys.

NEXT!!!!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 Jun 2004, 06:46

No, No No.

Just because it happened before and will happen again, does not mean we shouldn't take umbrage at this. This laissez-faire attitude does boxing no good at all, injustices and corruption should be rooted out at every turn, it's the only way to save boxing's tattered rep.

And as for Hennesy matching his fights, yes he puts them in tough fights, but in Walker's case he was in against someone several notches above him in class and experience. Walker has struggled at southern area level, and suddenly he's in against one of the top 5 in the world, disastrous matchmaking.

Walker is too young to be pitched in at this level, it's the sort of fight you make when a fighter is on the way down, and you want to get them a decent payday. I hope he got paid well for that beating, and at least his corner had the good sense to stop it early.

J · Post by J » 24 Jun 2004, 06:50

true and very moral James it also looks like it could have finished him, he hasnt been the same since.

steve richards · Post by **steve richards** » 24 Jun 2004, 07:45

MightyWarrior wrote:
xtremebox wrote:Are you all missing the point. Do you earn ratings or buy them?
While we're on the subject, how do you "earn" a WBU title shot, care to enlighten us? Is it just a hot line you call, then key in the right numbers? Two for the price of one, or something like that?

How did Gavin Rees become WBO No#1 contender? What rated fighters did he beat?
Please ask Frank and let us know

you just pick a guy you fancy fighting ask fwanie spunkster to do a deal and bobs your uncle, easy as that, the title wbu and all the others should be band.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 24 Jun 2004, 07:52

You know, I almost feel sorry for Mick the Midget. The BBC dump him, the fighters are preparing to flee like rats, the wannabes on his forum are helpless, the minicab job reawaits...

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 24 Jun 2004, 11:35

I don't think no blame should lie with the promoter for Walker's current state (i.e. appearing "shot"). Sure, Walker has had 3 or 4 toughies, but most fighters have 3 or 4 toughies and are still exceptional going into their thirties. Walker's problem lies primarily due to his frame (he's no light middle) and also the fact he was never that good. I'm still not convinced Jimmy Vincent is vastly improved since his days as a good journeymen, I just think he exposed two over hyped fighters for what they are.

I think Walker would have struggled with the fighters he's struggled with all of his career, not just now.

tea · Post by **tea** » 24 Jun 2004, 13:01

xtremebollocks i think its u who's abit smelly you seem to be wrapped up in FW world Rees Vs Achondo now that really stinks Rees isn't even in the Top 100 of the IBO superfeathers the WBU/WBO rubbish and the mandatory rubbish dnt mean a thing the IBO is the only one who is tough enough on the promoters and fighters.You talk like you have inside info but its alot of missinformation and your just passing it on to this forum.