Bernard Dunne v Ricardo Cordoba

[thepocketrocket]

Although I respect Munroe loads for the what he has achieved I feel they have missed a trick here...Dunne was the box office and is hugely markatable...Munroe could have made serious money..now he could lose his title to Martinez and even if he doesnt, its back to fighting non-descripts for the title...

Shame but he should have taken the fight in Dublin

[stujones]

He shouldn't lose his title to Martinez - so far, his easiest EBU title fight was against Martinez.

[thepocketrocket]

My point is that Munroe is now going over old ground and has no big fights available..mainly due to the fact that his support is tiny compared to Dunne.

Dunne on the other hand has gone from getting iced by Kiko to getting his title shot, Munroe has been left standing!!!!

[stujones]

My point is that Munroe is now going over old ground and has no big fights available..mainly due to the fact that his support is tiny compared to Dunne.

Dunne on the other hand has gone from getting iced by Kiko to getting his title shot, Munroe has been left standing!!!!

Yes, I can see that. Good work by Brian Peters. I can see if Munroe thought Dunne was a "backward step" and too big a risk for the reward - so it is fantastic work by Peters to secure a (sort of) title shot.

Still hope Munroe vs Dunne happens, its a "must happen" fight.

[Pongsaklek]

Bernard Dunne takes a big gamble when he challenges Panama's Ricardo Cordoba for the interim WBA super-bantamweight title in Dublin's O2 Arena on March 21.
Local man Dunne was blasted in a matter of seconds by Kiko Martinez in Dublin in August 2007 for the European super-bantamweight title. Martinez subsequently lost the title in his first defence to Leicester surprise package Rendall Munroe, who totally dominated the Spaniard over 12 rounds, and Dunne, 27-1 (14), was left without much of a plan.
He was brought back slowly by promoter Brian Peters, with three decisions over nondescript foreign opposition, but looked a bit wobbly against Uruguay's Cristian Faccio in Ireland in November and busted up badly, and rumours persist that the tall Irishman is 'chinny', face-first, not a huge puncher and horribly tight at the weight, although he can undoubtedly box a bit.
The announcement of this world title challenge, then, came as a surprise to match the announcements of Khan-Barrera and Haye-Klitschko already this year.
Dunne, who will be 29 by the time of the challenge, faces a 24-year-old who (despite his age) brings plenty of top-flight experience and has lost only to 'hot' Thailander Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym in 37 fights in a world class bantamweight match-up in Thailand in 2005. That came on a split 12-round decision, since when Cordoba was robbed twice in Germany against the excellent Wladimir Sidorenko in cracks at the WBA bantamweight title, both of which were adjudged a draw (two draws in Germany speak for themselves). Cordoba, a tall southpaw fighting machine, moved up to super-bantamweight in 2007 and has reeled off five wins in Panama City. He picked up the interim title with a unanimous decision over Nicaragua's former world champion Luis Alberto Perez in his last fight in September.
Cordoba, it goes without saying, looks like a good 'un.

Load of BS. Let´s just say Dunne won´t have to worry about being robbed at home, cause he´ll get KTFO.

[BigEars]

My point is that Munroe is now going over old ground and has no big fights available..mainly due to the fact that his support is tiny compared to Dunne.

Dunne on the other hand has gone from getting iced by Kiko to getting his title shot, Munroe has been left standing!!!!

Yes, I can see that. Good work by Brian Peters. I can see if Munroe thought Dunne was a "backward step" and too big a risk for the reward - so it is fantastic work by Peters to secure a (sort of) title shot.

Still hope Munroe vs Dunne happens, its a "must happen" fight.

If Dunne wins it will probably happen, Munroe is highly ranked within the WBA and Maloney would probably see it as a great chance for a World title.
If Dunne loses who knows, but I agree it is a must happen.

[knowitall]

Bernard Dunne takes a big gamble when he challenges Panama's Ricardo Cordoba for the interim WBA super-bantamweight title in Dublin's O2 Arena on March 21.
Local man Dunne was blasted in a matter of seconds by Kiko Martinez in Dublin in August 2007 for the European super-bantamweight title. Martinez subsequently lost the title in his first defence to Leicester surprise package Rendall Munroe, who totally dominated the Spaniard over 12 rounds, and Dunne, 27-1 (14), was left without much of a plan.
He was brought back slowly by promoter Brian Peters, with three decisions over nondescript foreign opposition, but looked a bit wobbly against Uruguay's Cristian Faccio in Ireland in November and busted up badly, and rumours persist that the tall Irishman is 'chinny', face-first, not a huge puncher and horribly tight at the weight, although he can undoubtedly box a bit.
The announcement of this world title challenge, then, came as a surprise to match the announcements of Khan-Barrera and Haye-Klitschko already this year.
Dunne, who will be 29 by the time of the challenge, faces a 24-year-old who (despite his age) brings plenty of top-flight experience and has lost only to 'hot' Thailander Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym in 37 fights in a world class bantamweight match-up in Thailand in 2005. That came on a split 12-round decision, since when Cordoba was robbed twice in Germany against the excellent Wladimir Sidorenko in cracks at the WBA bantamweight title, both of which were adjudged a draw (two draws in Germany speak for themselves). Cordoba, a tall southpaw fighting machine, moved up to super-bantamweight in 2007 and has reeled off five wins in Panama City. He picked up the interim title with a unanimous decision over Nicaragua's former world champion Luis Alberto Perez in his last fight in September.
Cordoba, it goes without saying, looks like a good 'un.

Did you write that little piece of biased rubbish yourself? Bernard Dunne won the EBU title with a comprehensive points win over very capable Esham Pickering and went on to successfully defend it twice very impressively. He then lost to Martinez which was a simple case of being caught cold, this happens to even the best and as anyone who knows anything about boxing will tell you, means nothing in terms of a boxers ability.
Dunne then went on to beat a former world champion (granted he was a natural super flyweight but a former world champion at that weight poses more of a risk than a bum at super bantam). He then totally shut out Damien Marciano, a hard hitting boxer very similar in style to Martinez. His next fight with the highly rated Faccio was also an excellent display of boxing from Dunne where he won every round before it was stopped due to a cut Dunne sustained from a clash of heads. Faccio did not bust him up which is what you seem to imply! Dunne can do more than "box a bit", except if you meant by that, winning 11 national championships as an amateur, totally outboxing or stopping every fighter put in of him in the US, Italy , Germany and at home in Ireland, except of course for that one bad night against Martinez, which way too much is made of by people like you.

So let's look at this "suprise package" you speak of Rendall Munroe. He got a split decision over Martinez, who despite his win over Dunne, has proved that he is a one trick pony and that if you stay away from him for the first few rounds, can be outboxed quite handily. So the not very technically sound Martinez got the better of Munroe according to one judge. That in my opinion is worse than Dunne getting wiped out in one round by Martinez!
Munroe then went on to fight not so great opposition and struggled against Matriosan and Trotta. Munroe would not fight Dunne but had no problem calling out both Dunne and Wayne McCulough who he wouldn't go near in reality, he is happy fighting limited opposition until he is forced to step up! Munroe is a very limited fighter, not Dunne!

You guys that spout this crap need to realise that Dunne is an extremely talented boxer with more positive points than negative (his chin is an issue but he is nowhere near as chinny as Khan who was rocked by a jab against Prescott), Dunne does have a dig to his punches, he is a little gun shy after his defeat to Martinez but earlier fights show he has got a punch.

This fight against Cordoba is a big risk for Dunne but not an unwinnable one.

[Autobarn]

Bernard Dunne takes a big gamble when he challenges Panama's Ricardo Cordoba for the interim WBA super-bantamweight title in Dublin's O2 Arena on March 21.
Local man Dunne was blasted in a matter of seconds by Kiko Martinez in Dublin in August 2007 for the European super-bantamweight title. Martinez subsequently lost the title in his first defence to Leicester surprise package Rendall Munroe, who totally dominated the Spaniard over 12 rounds, and Dunne, 27-1 (14), was left without much of a plan.
He was brought back slowly by promoter Brian Peters, with three decisions over nondescript foreign opposition, but looked a bit wobbly against Uruguay's Cristian Faccio in Ireland in November and busted up badly, and rumours persist that the tall Irishman is 'chinny', face-first, not a huge puncher and horribly tight at the weight, although he can undoubtedly box a bit.
The announcement of this world title challenge, then, came as a surprise to match the announcements of Khan-Barrera and Haye-Klitschko already this year.
Dunne, who will be 29 by the time of the challenge, faces a 24-year-old who (despite his age) brings plenty of top-flight experience and has lost only to 'hot' Thailander Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym in 37 fights in a world class bantamweight match-up in Thailand in 2005. That came on a split 12-round decision, since when Cordoba was robbed twice in Germany against the excellent Wladimir Sidorenko in cracks at the WBA bantamweight title, both of which were adjudged a draw (two draws in Germany speak for themselves). Cordoba, a tall southpaw fighting machine, moved up to super-bantamweight in 2007 and has reeled off five wins in Panama City. He picked up the interim title with a unanimous decision over Nicaragua's former world champion Luis Alberto Perez in his last fight in September.
Cordoba, it goes without saying, looks like a good 'un.

that robbed twice in Germany thing is a gross generalisation Bennie & it really can lead ppl up the garden path. There are way more factors that go into it, i.e. giving homeboy benefit of doubt; and with WBA title fights guys from South America/Central America/whatever are usually well represented & often get a fair shake away from home. Wlad Sid is 1-1-1 in competitive bouts with Cordoba (twice) & Moreno. Surely he'd be 3-0 if he was getting that lucky.

Someone try to tell me that Cordoba won that first fight. Please.

Wlad Sid got inside those long arms and put the pressure on, fight one. Cordoba was competitve but it was Sid's fight.

Now, the rematch on the other hand....Cordoba boxed very well, kept Wlad on the outside most of the time, controlled the pace/distance and looked a clear winner.

IMO trhey should be 1-1, but they're 0-0-1. Perhaps they both got robbed, Wlad 1st time and Corodba 2nd time.

[steve689]

Interesting seeing McCullough on Bunce's Boxing show the other night trying to allude to Bernard not wanting the scrap and sidestepping him. When Dunne is probably embarrassed to be linked with the fight; even King Bunce was holding his tongue and stopping short of saying "Wayne let's be honest son hang 'em up".

[bennie]

The knives are out for anyone who dares 'knock' the Irish money-making machine that is Bernard "Ben" Dunne, especially anyone who happens to mention Kiko Martinez or Rendall Munroe or Frank Maloney or Cristian Faccio, or even Dunne himself (I am reminded of a stairlift advert where the host never actually mentions the stairlift).
His many fans, on many different forums, appear inordinately sensitive to something.
Dunne's weaker points were there for all to see, courtesy of ITV Sport, in his very last outing in November against Uruguay's Faccio. Dunne, a 28-year-old Dubliner, emerged on a seven-round technical decision and boxed well at times but failed to dent his man and looked surprisingly open. Without looking back over it, I recall that Dunne wobbled alarmingly at one point (and not in the "caught cold" early rounds) and wound up with a horrific cut when the two men bumped heads. He also looked like he could do with a damn good meal.
Next came the news that Dunne had secured a major world title shot in Dublin in March against Panamanian southpaw Ricardo Cordoba. At stake is the WBA super-bantamweight title. Well done to Brian Peters, Dunne's promoter, and good luck to Bernard himself, who brings plenty of workrate, skill, guts and huge support to the challenge. Any such challenge, however, has to be reconciled with an 86-second (two-knockdown) defeat Dunne suffered at the hands of a 21-year-old Spaniard, Kiko Martinez, in Dublin in August 2007, which cost him his European super-bantamweight title, and the subsequent Faccio shaker. Dunne's dazzling wins over the likes of Esham Pickering, Sean Hughes and even Steve Molitor (in the amateurs) are more of a Time Team issue, by contrast.
Martinez turned out to be something of a load-up merchant when Leicester's Rendall Munroe trounced him over 12 rounds to win the European title in a big upset in March last year in Nottingham. The scorecards were shockingly close but Munroe dominated and never looked in any trouble. He has since proved himself a busy champion and fights Martinez again next month but attempts at securing a Munroe-Dunne showdown, by way of Munroe's seen-it-all promoter Maloney, merely resulted in masses of antipathy, especially, it seemed, on the Irish side (they do say Dublin has lost its charm). Nevertheless, Munroe is cashing in on Sky Sports and Dunne now has this shot. Dunne has a shout because of his home advantage but he loses a European title fight in 86 seconds in his home city, is ranked outside the WBA top 10 and struggles with a man from Uruguay, a country which has never produced a great fighter, and one is supposed to overlook all of that.
Instead of revelling in their role of the underdog and allowing Dunne to surprise everyone with a magnificent showing, Dunne's backers seem to be suggesting that Dunne is already better than Cordoba, a man who floored and outscored Celestino Caballero a few years ago, already the champion of the world.
One sincerely hopes that Dunne can live up to it.

[lowersmiths]

all this talk of cordoba is pissing me off....poonsawat beat cordoba, poonsawat is the mandatory challenger for the WBA title. cabellero took the title off somsak sithchatchawal, who poonsawat beat last year.
cordoba isnt a champion, he was givent he interim belt on the undercard of cabellero defending the real thing!!!

[lowersmiths]

in fact this seems to sum it up pretty well

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08/detail.asp?id=706

[steve689]

Without looking back over it, I recall that Dunne wobbled alarmingly at one point (and not in the "caught cold" early rounds)

It's funny you should mention this as I wrote about it in the report over at BBN. Sitting ringside I thought I saw Dunne wobbled and clinging on (I THINK it was the sixth round) but come post-fight press conference nobody mentioned it and on RTE at the time it wasn't mentioned so I just assumed I had imagined it. I didn't see the ITV version but maybe I wasn't going nuts after all.

[BigEars]

Without looking back over it, I recall that Dunne wobbled alarmingly at one point (and not in the "caught cold" early rounds)

It's funny you should mention this as I wrote about it in the report over at BBN. Sitting ringside I thought I saw Dunne wobbled and clinging on (I THINK it was the sixth round) but come post-fight press conference nobody mentioned it and on RTE at the time it wasn't mentioned so I just assumed I had imagined it. I didn't see the ITV version but maybe I wasn't going nuts after all.

Ya he was hurt a little alright, but Faccio isn't a terrible fighter......he's just a chinny fighter.

He was able to land some shots on Hasegawa, two very good straight rights and some good body work and then Hasegawa landed a beautiful straight left and Faccio went down like he was having a seizure and the Japanese fighter followed up to finish him easily.

Okay Faccio is a Bantamweight, but he does seem to posses pretty good power, I think it's more worrying Dunne never had him going. Although I would of fancied a stoppage before the end had it not been stopped due to the cut, it is worrying that Dunne never hurt him badly in the 7 rounds.


Bennie does seem to have a lovely anti-Dunne agenda though. Nothing wrong with thinking Cordoba will annihilate Dunne or that Munroe would beat Dunne but the way he goes about his argument seems to indicate he's a big Munroe fan and thus has a great distaste for Dunne.

[knowitall]

The knives are out for anyone who dares 'knock' the Irish money-making machine that is Bernard "Ben" Dunne, especially anyone who happens to mention Kiko Martinez or Rendall Munroe or Frank Maloney or Cristian Faccio, or even Dunne himself (I am reminded of a stairlift advert where the host never actually mentions the stairlift).
His many fans, on many different forums, appear inordinately sensitive to something.
Dunne's weaker points were there for all to see, courtesy of ITV Sport, in his very last outing in November against Uruguay's Faccio. Dunne, a 28-year-old Dubliner, emerged on a seven-round technical decision and boxed well at times but failed to dent his man and looked surprisingly open. Without looking back over it, I recall that Dunne wobbled alarmingly at one point (and not in the "caught cold" early rounds) and wound up with a horrific cut when the two men bumped heads. He also looked like he could do with a damn good meal.
Next came the news that Dunne had secured a major world title shot in Dublin in March against Panamanian southpaw Ricardo Cordoba. At stake is the WBA super-bantamweight title. Well done to Brian Peters, Dunne's promoter, and good luck to Bernard himself, who brings plenty of workrate, skill, guts and huge support to the challenge. Any such challenge, however, has to be reconciled with an 86-second (two-knockdown) defeat Dunne suffered at the hands of a 21-year-old Spaniard, Kiko Martinez, in Dublin in August 2007, which cost him his European super-bantamweight title, and the subsequent Faccio shaker. Dunne's dazzling wins over the likes of Esham Pickering, Sean Hughes and even Steve Molitor (in the amateurs) are more of a Time Team issue, by contrast.
Martinez turned out to be something of a load-up merchant when Leicester's Rendall Munroe trounced him over 12 rounds to win the European title in a big upset in March last year in Nottingham. The scorecards were shockingly close but Munroe dominated and never looked in any trouble. He has since proved himself a busy champion and fights Martinez again next month but attempts at securing a Munroe-Dunne showdown, by way of Munroe's seen-it-all promoter Maloney, merely resulted in masses of antipathy, especially, it seemed, on the Irish side (they do say Dublin has lost its charm). Nevertheless, Munroe is cashing in on Sky Sports and Dunne now has this shot. Dunne has a shout because of his home advantage but he loses a European title fight in 86 seconds in his home city, is ranked outside the WBA top 10 and struggles with a man from Uruguay, a country which has never produced a great fighter, and one is supposed to overlook all of that.
Instead of revelling in their role of the underdog and allowing Dunne to surprise everyone with a magnificent showing, Dunne's backers seem to be suggesting that Dunne is already better than Cordoba, a man who floored and outscored Celestino Caballero a few years ago, already the champion of the world.
One sincerely hopes that Dunne can live up to it.

Why don't you just write, "I'm a Munroe fan (I hear there's like about 11 or 12 or you now!!), and therefore I do not like Dunne, so I will continually bring up the fact that Dunne was demolished by Martinez in 86 seconds and come to the conclusion from this, that because Munroe then went on to get a SPLIT DECISION against the limited Martinez, this must mean that Munroe would beat Dunne!!!"

Come on, that's not how it works in boxing!!! Oh and Dunne was momentarily rocked by a punch from Faccio, who is a hard puncher, (Imagine a boxer being hurt by a punch!!!). What about the fact that Trotta, a part time taxi driver, was getting the better of Munroe before a hand injury forced him to retire. If you insist on bringing Munroe into the conversation then it is only fair to point this out. Faccio was rated no. 11 by the WBA, Trotta was rated no. 11 by the ITDA (Italian Taxi Drivers Association!). Not to mention the hard work Munroe made out of Matriosan!

The only mention Munroe should get in regards to Dunne is that he turned down the chance to fight Dunne three times. This tells me all I need to know about him.

You say that Dunne's fans are making out like Dunne is better than Cordoba, who said that?! I have not read that, not on this forum.
Dunne will be the underdog which will be a good thing in my opinion. Dunne has a chance if he sticks to his boxing and does not leave his chin up in the air. He deserves this world title shot as he has done more for Irish boxing than anyone else in the last 10-12 years, he is a very dedicated professional, he always shows respect to his opponents (unlike Munroe), and he has done more in his career than Munroe or Martinez or most super bantamweights in Europe at the moment

I for one will support Dunne win, lose or draw.

[steve689]

Knowitall - I think it was a majority decision that Munroe took over Martinez but that was more to do with blind judging than anything else as Munroe outboxed his man and how the official scored 114-114 is beyond me.

Bigears - I remember seeing Hasegawa against Faccio and Hasegawa just ripped through him with whipping shots. I must admit I don't recall Faccio landing much of anything, but it was a while ago so I must have forgotten those two right hands

[BigEars]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvge7TTYFDo

There's the second round of Faccio v Hasagawa, Hasagawa does pretty much laugh off those two solid right hands but they seem to land flush and hard and are clear as day to see. But take the fight for whatever you will.

knowitall as Steve said Munroe v Martinez was a mixed decision with one 114-114 card and in truth Munroe walked that fight easy so there's no point in brining up 'split decision', you've a better case for Munroe winning every round than giving it to Martinez.

Faccio was #11 with the WBC not the WBA(at Bantamweight aswell), although I believe Mike Goodall called out WBA when announcing it before the fight so that's an easy mistake.

According to Munroe's manager(on an interview on RTÉ radio) both Munroe and Martinez turned down the fight and they see Dunne as the hardest talk of all three. The last bit is possibly promotional talk, they're probably not concered about any of the 3 at all but the first bit I would take as genuine.

[Twinkle Toes]

Which means we can conclude that knowitall actually knows fornicate all.

[knowitall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvge7TTYFDo

There's the second round of Faccio v Hasagawa, Hasagawa does pretty much laugh off those two solid right hands but they seem to land flush and hard and are clear as day to see. But take the fight for whatever you will.

knowitall as Steve said Munroe v Martinez was a mixed decision with one 114-114 card and in truth Munroe walked that fight easy so there's no point in brining up 'split decision', you've a better case for Munroe winning every round than giving it to Martinez.

Faccio was #11 with the WBC not the WBA(at Bantamweight aswell), although I believe Mike Goodall called out WBA when announcing it before the fight so that's an easy mistake.

According to Munroe's manager(on an interview on RTÉ radio) both Munroe and Martinez turned down the fight and they see Dunne as the hardest talk of all three. The last bit is possibly promotional talk, they're probably not concered about any of the 3 at all but the first bit I would take as genuine.

OK Big Ears I stand corrected on the Munroe V Martinez fight, but to be honest it is not as big an achievement to beat Martinez as Munroe fans make out. I am so fed up of hearing people say that based on Munroe's performance against Martinez, Munroe is somehow better than Dunne! I don't even know why Munroe's name is coming up on this thread in the first place. Yes Dunne was totally demolished by Martinez, but there is no need for Munroe's subsequent beating of Martinez to be mentioned. What has that got to do with Bernard Dunne's fight against Ricardo Cordoba?! fornicate All!

Let's just put it this way, there is no way that Dunne would struggle against the likes of Trotta and Matriosan the way Munroe did.
I heard the press conference and you're right Cordoba's manager stated that both Martinez and Munroe turned down this fight and that Dunne is the more complete boxer, stating that Dunne's first 14 fights were in LA against tough Mexican fighters and he also made reference in another interview to Dunne's sparring with Pacquiao in Freddie Roaches gym, all this would point to this being more than just promotional talk. When you look at the facts, Dunne is indeed the more complete fighter of the three.

To put on a lid on the whole who is better than who bs that keeps coming up on threads like these :
Neither Dunne or Munroe are out and out world class but Dunne's skill level is definately world class, his questionable chin and lack of a real ko punch let him down but his skill is second to none.

Munroe is a good boxer, not a great boxer. If he was anywhere near world class in any department we would have heard of him way before he beat Martinez.

Dunne was being touted as a possible champ even when he was an amateur, and before anyone calls him a money making machine, if he did not have the talent in the first place, it would not matter one iota how marketable he was! His marketability is a factor in why he has got this world title shot, not the only reason.

Getting back to the actual thread topic, Dunne will have his work cut out but if he can pull off a performance similar to his performace against Pickering, and can avoid big bombs coming his way, it could be a lot closer than many seem to believe. The big issue will be his stamina, if he can pace this fight well, he stands a decent chance of pulling off an upset.

[knowitall]

Which means we can conclude that knowitall actually knows fornicate all.

Why because I made mistakes, which were easy mistakes btw?! My points are a whole lot more valid than a lot of the biased BS spouted by the likes of you
Don't bother taking a bow, that was the most obvious attempt at sarcasm you could have come up with Twinkle Toes, I was actually waiting to see which idiot would be the first to say it. Congratulations, now you can take a bow!!!

[MightyWarrior]

So the not very technically sound Martinez got the better of Munroe according to one judge. That in my opinion is worse than Dunne getting wiped out in one round by Martinez!

Hmmm so let's get this straight, getting sparked in a couple of minutes is, after careful consideration, actually a "better" result than winning on points?
I'd never looked at it that way before!

[MightyWarrior]

The announcement of this world title challenge, then, came as a surprise to match the announcements of Khan-Barrera and Haye-Klitschko already this year.

And hard to miss the common denominator isn't it...three big talents, seen as having high risk chins, being moved quickly into the big time before disaster strikes again.

[knowitall]

So the not very technically sound Martinez got the better of Munroe according to one judge. That in my opinion is worse than Dunne getting wiped out in one round by Martinez!

Hmmm so let's get this straight, getting sparked in a couple of minutes is, after careful consideration, actually a "better" result than winning on points?
I'd never looked at it that way before!

My quote was based on my misunderstanding that Munroe won by split decision which if you read my posts I actually corrected myself on.
Let me put it this way, Munroe looked average against two of the guys he fought since winning the EBU, Matriosan and Trotta, Dunne, apart from his one slip up to Martinez, has never looked average against any opponent and his opposition has been of a higher standard than Munroe's for the most part.
So let me use that as an example instead, Dunne getting sparked by Martinez is not a reflection of his poor boxing skills or ability, but more to do with his laid back attitude going into that fight and the fact that he did not seem to see the danger of Martinez, this is something he has learned from and he is a better fighter because of it.
Munroe is an average boxer, no more, no less. If Munroe got ko'd in the first round against Martinez I would still have the same opinion of him. First round ko's say nothing about a boxers ability, unless it happens often. Putting on average performances against cans like Trotta does say something about your boxing abilty!

What really pisses me off is you lot of English Munroe fans who are so quick to get caught up in the whole media rivalry between Dunne and Munroe (which never existed in truth) and feel the need to comment on Dunne as if you have a fornicating clue, all you guys know is that he got ko'd by Martinez and you seem to base all your asumptions off that one loss.

Facts are facts, Munroe turned down both Dunne and Cordoba. Dunne was happy to fight both. This tells me all I need to know about both boxers!

[MightyWarrior]

Well I'm English, but more of a fan of Dunne than Munroe, to be honest...so how does that fit into your world view?
Just think you're overboard in your defence of the Irishman - so he's got his doubters? So what, who cares, all boxers do. The main thing is he has the chance to prove them all wrong pretty soon, and that's all that matters. Tough fight, but if he boxes out of his skin, he just might do it.

[knowitall]

Well I'm English, but more of a fan of Dunne than Munroe, to be honest...so how does that fit into your world view?
Just think you're overboard in your defence of the Irishman - so he's got his doubters? So what, who cares, all boxers do. The main thing is he has the chance to prove them all wrong pretty soon, and that's all that matters. Tough fight, but if he boxes out of his skin, he just might do it.

Yeah maybe I am a bit too defensive but all I seem to hear is how he dosen't deserve the world title shot and that he is over hyped, etc.
When I see all these negative comments I feel obliged to defend Dunne, I've met him a few times as I box as an amateur and he is always down at the National Stadium where we compete supporting all the lads and aswell as being a really good boxer he is one of the soundest lads you could ever meet.