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geoffreysadao wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
geoffreysadao wrote:I just read the posting about the Eddie Logan, the bootblack, who just died at 98. When I saw the name "Eddie Logan," I immediately thought of "'Motorboat' Eddie Logan," who was a bantamweight contender in the late 70's until 1980. He beat Superfly Sandoval and Alfonso Zamora. Apparently, he gave Leo Randolph a bit of a struggle as well. I know that I'm getting off on a tangent, but I wonder what happened to this guy?
Eddie Logan was a much better fighter then his record would indicate, I seen his fights with Sandoval, Muniz and Zamora, et' al', his last fight was with Zamora which he won by ko, and then never fought again, why?
If I remember correctly, he was scheduled to get a title shot against Lupe Pintor in Fall of 1980, but they did some neurological tests and found some damage. I think that Johnny Owen got the title opportunity instead, of course, he tragically died. Pintor was a very formidable champion, and Owen gave him a great fight.

Joe Guevara, who is Ernie Guevara's son, fought Eddie Logan in the mid-1970's and won a decision. Guevara also held a decision win over popular Frankie Duarte. Ernie Guevara owned the Capitol Boxing Gym in Sacramento, which sadly closed its doors a few years back.
Life's cruel ironies. Owen possessed an abnormally thin skull and should never have been fighting Pintor, or anyone for that matter.
Eddie Logan was a fine fighter.
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Kelly "Ghost" Pavlik makes his first appearance since Bernard Hopkins handed him a humiliating points defeat last October in Atlantic City when he meets Mexico's Marco Antonio Rubio in Youngstown, Ohio, on February 21.
At stake are Pavlik's WBC & WBO middleweight titles.
Pavlik, who hails from the gritty Youngstown and is hugely popular, lost a few fans against the ageing but slippery Hopkins (up at light-heavyweight) and also his unbeaten record after 35 fights (30 big wins by knockout). The 26-year-old Pavlik received a harsh 12-round lesson in blocking, jabbing and counterpunching from the 43-year-old Philadelphian who had lost to Joe Calzaghe in his previous fight. God, Kelly looked awful!
Rubio suffered a nightmare defeat himself a few years ago when Ghana's unheralded Kofi Jantuah despatched him in 33 seconds in Las Vegas in September 2004. One left hook accounted for poor Rubio who has been forced to rebuild and won 16 of his 18 fights since (13 early). The 28-year-old Rubio is rugged, sharp and heavy handed. He may have been caught cold by Jantuah. His best work, however, looks to have been done in the light-middleweight division.
One presumes Pavlik will be smarting after the total Hopkins embarrassment. Whisper it quietly but the "Ghost" right now is more "Casper". At home this represents a quick chance for Kelly to blur the memory.
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bennie wrote:Kelly "Ghost" Pavlik makes his first appearance since Bernard Hopkins handed him a humiliating points defeat last October in Atlantic City when he meets Mexico's Marco Antonio Rubio in Youngstown, Ohio, on February 21.
At stake are Pavlik's WBC & WBO middleweight titles.
Pavlik, who hails from the gritty Youngstown and is hugely popular, lost a few fans against the ageing but slippery Hopkins (up at light-heavyweight) and also his unbeaten record after 35 fights (30 big wins by knockout). The 26-year-old Pavlik received a harsh 12-round lesson in blocking, jabbing and counterpunching from the 43-year-old Philadelphian who had lost to Joe Calzaghe in his previous fight. God, Kelly looked awful!
Rubio suffered a nightmare defeat himself a few years ago when Ghana's unheralded Kofi Jantuah despatched him in 33 seconds in Las Vegas in September 2004. One left hook accounted for poor Rubio who has been forced to rebuild and won 16 of his 18 fights since (13 early). The 28-year-old Rubio is rugged, sharp and heavy handed. He may have been caught cold by Jantuah. His best work, however, looks to have been done in the light-middleweight division.
One presumes Pavlik will be smarting after the total Hopkins embarrassment. Whisper it quietly but the "Ghost" right now is more "Casper". At home this represents a quick chance for Kelly to blur the memory.
It's hard for me to get excited over a guy who is willing to catch as many punches as he throws. They wisley matched him soft in this "comeback" fight. Pavlik is no Gene Fullmer.


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Maybe Pavlik will improve after his defeat to Hopkins, get a "reverse gear." I remember back in the early 90's when Hopkins lost a decision to Roy Jones and nearly lost to Segundo Mercado, getting knocked down twice in the process.

Too bad a trainer like Georgie Benton couldn't work with Pavlik and teach him some savvy and defense. Years ago, I read an article on Saoul Mamby, and he mentioned his first trainer not letting him throw a punch for the first few months in the gym. That could valuable for an offensive minded fighter like Pavlik, mixing in some of the more subtle skills. Would a guy like him be willing to humble himself and learn these things? It may be kind of hard on his pride, as he has been so accustomed to overwhelming his opponents with a lethal offense.

When I think of smooth-boxing, defensive masters, I can't help but thinking of guys like Benton, Jimmy Young, and even Kevin Finnegan. Too bad Young didn't maintain his conditioning on a consistent basis after his loss to Norton in Nov. of '77. He did make a good comeback in 1981, beating Gordie Racette, Jeff Simms, Franco Thomas, etc. He fought then unbeaten Greg Page in Spring of '82, and it didn't look like he was in proper shaps. Nevertheless, he managed to make the fight reasonably competitive.

Who are the trainers, like Benton, who teach that type of style? Maybe, I'm stuck in time-warp.
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bennie wrote:Kelly "Ghost" Pavlik makes his first appearance since Bernard Hopkins handed him a humiliating points defeat last October in Atlantic City when he meets Mexico's Marco Antonio Rubio in Youngstown, Ohio, on February 21.
At stake are Pavlik's WBC & WBO middleweight titles.
Pavlik, who hails from the gritty Youngstown and is hugely popular, lost a few fans against the ageing but slippery Hopkins (up at light-heavyweight) and also his unbeaten record after 35 fights (30 big wins by knockout). The 26-year-old Pavlik received a harsh 12-round lesson in blocking, jabbing and counterpunching from the 43-year-old Philadelphian who had lost to Joe Calzaghe in his previous fight. God, Kelly looked awful!
Rubio suffered a nightmare defeat himself a few years ago when Ghana's unheralded Kofi Jantuah despatched him in 33 seconds in Las Vegas in September 2004. One left hook accounted for poor Rubio who has been forced to rebuild and won 16 of his 18 fights since (13 early). The 28-year-old Rubio is rugged, sharp and heavy handed. He may have been caught cold by Jantuah. His best work, however, looks to have been done in the light-middleweight division.
One presumes Pavlik will be smarting after the total Hopkins embarrassment. Whisper it quietly but the "Ghost" right now is more "Casper". At home this represents a quick chance for Kelly to blur the memory.
It's hard for me to get excited over a guy who is willing to catch as many punches as he throws. They wisley matched him soft in this "comeback" fight. Pavlik is no Gene Fullmer.


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You mention Saoul Mamby Geoffrey .
A great name from the not too distant past.
He would probably be a great trainer for these young guys nowadays. He knew every trick in the book.
He was a tough guy for anyone to fight.
They could also make a movie about that guys life.
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Geoffery . . .

I don't think you are in a "time warp", I believe that George Benton is a great trainer, one who had ring skills you don't see anymore. I'm not confidant a guy like Pavlik could adapt to a different style, however, it certainly would be worth a try in the best interest of his future,

I appreciated your bringing up the name George Benton. At the '07 WBHOF banquet (when George was inducted), Dan Hanley and I were able to get a great interview on camera of the former middleweight contender. Later that evening, I was able to meet with George and his son, after the banquet, and enjoyed listening to his stories from the past.

When it comes to Saoul Mamby, I agree with Pug. That's a true veteran, a smart, slick boxer who could teach so much to the boxers of today.

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Rick, I looked up Mambys record.
Hes still fighting!Hes over 60.He just went 10 rounds last year!
Amazing
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Expug wrote:Rick, I looked up Mambys record.
Hes still fighting!Hes over 60.He just went 10 rounds last year!
Amazing
Brian . . . Your post on Saoul Mamby motivated me to look up his record and I discovered that he will turn 62 in June. I also learned that he is the oldest boxer in history to compete in a "sanctioned" professional boxing match. This is truly amazing. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, nice piece of boxing trivia.


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Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Rick, I looked up Mambys record.
Hes still fighting!Hes over 60.He just went 10 rounds last year!
Amazing
Brian . . . Your post on Saoul Mamby motivated me to look up his record and I discovered that he will turn 62 in June. I also learned that he is the oldest boxer in history to compete in a "sanctioned" professional boxing match. This is truly amazing. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, nice piece of boxing trivia.


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Rick, Saoul has led a very 'exciting " life.
VietNam Vet
Pro Boxer for 40 years,
And...the most "exciting" profession of them all, New York City Cab Driver. :wink:
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GOODRICH ON MAIN

There were always some unsavory fellas' around Archie Moore trying to make a buck off the great fighter. As for me,well I was a liitle in awe of him. Very carefull about approaching . I figure he'd been to so many places and fought all the great fighters in all the great arenas. He also fought no names in places that weren't even on the map. That's what had made him great. He had done so much in his life. The average guy couldn't account for an iota of what the Mongoose had experienced.

But that didn't hold back all the creeps who thought nothin' of trying to exploit him. There was this real seedy guy in town named Murray Goodrich. The world was his mark. He didn't care if your name was Mother Teresa. If you were a saint,you probably were a dummy.

Now Archie wasn't a saint,but he had a code. He was a straight shooter in cowboy talk. His word was gold and he had a soft spot for kids. He was always helping out a fighter down on his luck and he wouldn't ask for compensation for his good deeds.

Murray Goodrich would salivate when Archie stood in front of him. Goodrich owned this Army Surplus store on Main Street in Logan Heights which was primarily the Black neighborhood. The store was in one of those quanset huts the Navy used during World War II. He probably talked the Navy into giving it to him. He sold everything he grabbed up for free or pennies on the dollar that the military threw away. While the boys were over seas ducking lead,Murray was figuring how he could empty the pockets of America's finest while they were on shore. Arcades,cruddy cocktail lounges that served cut liqour,and surplus stores.

Well when Archie was the Light Heavy Champ,Goodrich talked Arch into wearing a robe that had written on it in glittery paint"Goodrich On Main" That was Murray's store. Oh yeh,there enough room for Archie's name too. But "Archie Moore" was scribed in letters that wilted under "Goodrich On Main". Part of the deal was when Arch was wearing this billboard sign, the announcer on the television had to plug Goodrich's store.

Well all this bothered me probably more than Archie. He'd enter the ring with that big smile bouncin' around wearing that robe. You'd hear some chuckling because the thing looked was so over the top,but I don't think Archie cared.

Besides, Goodrich probably threw in a pair of combat boots.
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Bobby Bell . . .

In 1965, when I was thirteen, I trained in a gym that was built behind the garage of legendary L.A. boxing figure, Johnnie Flores, in Pacoima, California. Johnnie built the gym a few years after WW2 ended, a place where he could develop amateur talent, as well as where pro's could train in the north San Fernando Valley.

I'd been training at the "Johnnie Flores Gym" for a few months, under the eye of Johnnie and one of his coaches, Mauuel Diaz. One of the boxers that trained at Flores Gym was a former Detroit middleweight, Bob Bell. Bell had been retired for several years, having fought in Detroit, L.A. and also in Hollywood, where he ended his career fighting at the Moulan Rouge Night Club, where Flores was matchmaker for promoter Joe Louis.

Bob Bell was an auto mechanic at the time, and worked for a large Dodge dealership in Van Nuys. After work, he'd religeously show up at Johnnie's Gym, and spar with Flores up & coming amateurs and a few top pros who'd show up on occasion looking for sparring. Bob would box them all, at 5'10 185 llbs., Bell would trade punches with everybody from me (the smallest kid in the gym) to heavyweights training for ten rounders at the Olympic.

Bob Bell was beautiful to watch in the ring, even weighing more than thirty pounds over his best fighting weight. In Detroit, he'd learned from the best in the Motor City, sparring round-after-round with Henry Hank, then traveling to Philly and working with light-heavy Harold Johnson. When I saw Bob Bell box, he let his upper body do most of the work, only occasionally getting on his toes and sliding gracefully across the ring. Bell wanted to be right in front of his opposition, shoulders moving, rolling, slipping, sliding, letting them do all the work, and then- BAM! His counter punch hook-to-the-body would land with a popping thud, and I'd watch 6'3" 220 lb. boxers wince, then nod acknowledging the "good shot".

Bob would rarely get hit, but occasionally he would, and more than once I'd see him finish the session with a bloody nose, occasionally a little swelling, but not often. Bell was a guy who knew how to make a big, strong, powerful opponent hesitate to push forward. Bob Bell was a master at setting traps, spinning, and I used to see a tiny smile cross his face when the other guy fell for it. It was all about the most important thing in a boxing match, control. Bell's reflexes were still adequate, but far from the razor sharp timing of years gone by. The belly was bigger, softer, but still hard below the roll of fat.

At 34, boxing was just a physical game of chess for Bob Bell, and he wasn't afraid to teach a willing young student. I was his guy, and so was my heavyweight stablemate, Al "Kit" Boursse'. Bob would join Johnnie Flores and Manny Diaz in the corner for my Junior Golden Gloves fights. When there was nobody in the gym for me to box with, I boxed with him. Of course, he took it real easy on my 90 lb. body, but he made me work, and refused to let me get away with mistakes. A sharp little pop in the face does wonders for a kid's memory.

Bob Bell was a happily married father of two young daughters. He was very simple. His gloves were a pair left over from his career, the old "horse-hair" filled Ray Flores gloves, 16 oz. that had hardened over the years. Everyday after work, monday thru friday, Bob Bell would show up at Johnnie Flores Gym. I haven't seen him since my first year in the pros, I believe he worked with Johnnie and Julio Flores in my corner, in either my second or third fight? I haven't seen him since. Shortly afterwards, Dwight Hawkins began to work with me.

Today, Bob Bell would be in his late 70's. Maybe one day I'll have a chance to see him again, if he's still around? I just want to say thanks. He taught me some of the best defensive moves and counter techniques I ever saw. He was never a world class fighter, but he had a world class boxing education and experience and was kind enough to share it with me.

Bobby Bell . . . 100% "Old School" Pro!


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Expug wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Rick, I looked up Mambys record.
Hes still fighting!Hes over 60.He just went 10 rounds last year!
Amazing
Brian . . . Your post on Saoul Mamby motivated me to look up his record and I discovered that he will turn 62 in June. I also learned that he is the oldest boxer in history to compete in a "sanctioned" professional boxing match. This is truly amazing. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, nice piece of boxing trivia.


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Rick, Saoul has led a very 'exciting " life.
VietNam Vet
Pro Boxer for 40 years,
And...the most "exciting" profession of them all, New York City Cab Driver. :wink:
Saoul Mamby a NYC "Hack"? I was in Manhatten in the late 80's to shoot a commercial spot for Revlon. It was a high budget TV ad and the agency put us up at the Regency. After work one evening, the cameraman and I go down to the lobby and ask the bell captain to call us a cab.

When we step out front, two cabs pull up and the closest driver jumps out of the cab, races around to the passenger door and opens it for my friend and I. Evidently, it was the other cabbie's fare, and he was pissed off at the guy who had pulled in front of him. The other cabbie runs over to the front of our cab and jumps in the path of our cabbie, who is walking around to get behind the wheel. They start pointing at each other an arguing . . "F-U", the other cabbie says. Our driver points at the guy in front of him and yells, "F me? No F-U!". The other guy resonds, "F me? No F-U!" . . "What did you say? No, FU!".

This went on for a full minute until the other cabbie finally gives up, flips our driver the bird and yells, "Ah, F all of ya's!". He turned around a got back in his cab.

Just another evening in New York City. Might be good to be a fighter if your going to navigate the streets of Manhatten in a cab. :TU:


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Louis "The Lion" Perez . . .

Hey Frank, do you remember Johnny Flores' hot featherweight prospect from the late 50's (amateur) and early 60's pro? I met Louie in the mid-60's, when he was considering a comeback and training at Johnnie's Gym. Louie was a winner and lost only twice as a pro. Ironically, his last loss was to Licho Guerrero, who upset an cancer-striken Rodolfo Gonzalez awhile later.

There are many reasons why promising boxers quit boxing, or suddenly begin to lose fights they should win. In the case of Johnny Flores' little "Lion" from Canoga Park, he fell in love. "That was it." Flores told us laughing, "he fell in love and bit the dust!"

When I met Perez, it was in 1967, a few years after he'd last fought, and won. He was now married to the woman, had a houseful of kids and working construction. He'd show up at the gym in his work clothes, dried cement like crust on his work boots. He was no longer a featherweight, closer to light-heavy, his love for cerveza obvious.

The Lion trained for two or three months, would spread vaseline all over his body and then wrap trash bag plastic around his waste and upper body, creating a crude "sauna suit". It's what over-weight boxers did in the sixties. He'd warm up by boxing with me, I was under a hundred pounds and felt the power the Lion had in his fists. He was one of those guys who would jar you with a light punch. Anytime he'd touch you, he'd hurt you. And surprisingly, he was still fast, real fast. I could see why Johnnie Flores had been so high on his former amateur champ, homegrown right in the San Fernando Vally.


After a few months of sparring daily with Bob Bell, his old buddy and former stablemate Manny Diaz, and a couple others who'd come in and out, Louie "The Lion" Perez just disappeared. Manny laughed and told us, "He's got two loves now, his family and his beer."

Adios . . .


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Mamby enjoyed a solid world title reign in the late 1970s and early 1980s (sadly overshadowed by Aaron Pryor's reign), and it was good to see him secure a marquee(ish) fight with Esteban de Jesus, whom he stopped.
Mamby was never box office and largely travelled as world champion but he held that title for quite a few years.
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This was Mamby at 60. His fight caused some outrage but Mamby was always defensively excellent and keeps himself in trim and nobody is moaning now.
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Rick Farris wrote:Louis "The Lion" Perez . . .

Hey Frank, do you remember Johnny Flores' hot featherweight prospect from the late 50's (amateur) and early 60's pro? I met Louie in the mid-60's, when he was considering a comeback and training at Johnnie's Gym. Louie was a winner and lost only twice as a pro. Ironically, his last loss was to Licho Guerrero, who upset an cancer-striken Rodolfo Gonzalez awhile later.

There are many reasons why promising boxers quit boxing, or suddenly begin to lose fights they should win. In the case of Johnny Flores' little "Lion" from Canoga Park, he fell in love. "That was it." Flores told us laughing, "he fell in love and bit the dust!"

When I met Perez, it was in 1967, a few years after he'd last fought, and won. He was now married to the woman, had a houseful of kids and working construction. He'd show up at the gym in his work clothes, dried cement like crust on his work boots. He was no longer a featherweight, closer to light-heavy, his love for cerveza obvious.

The Lion trained for two or three months, would spread vaseline all over his body and then wrap trash bag plastic around his waste and upper body, creating a crude "sauna suit". It's what over-weight boxers did in the sixties. He'd warm up by boxing with me, I was under a hundred pounds and felt the power the Lion had in his fists. He was one of those guys who would jar you with a light punch. Anytime he'd touch you, he'd hurt you. And surprisingly, he was still fast, real fast. I could see why Johnnie Flores had been so high on his former amateur champ, homegrown right in the San Fernando Vally.


After a few months of sparring daily with Bob Bell, his old buddy and former stablemate Manny Diaz, and a couple others who'd come in and out, Louie "The Lion" Perez just disappeared. Manny laughed and told us, "He's got two loves now, his family and his beer."

Adios . . .


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Eddie Garcia L Tony Perez TKO 8 10
Archie Moore D Willie Pastrano PTS 10 10
Jerry Stokes W Wicho Morales PTS 8 8
Quan James L Louis Perez PTS 6 6
Larry Flores L Bennie Lira PTS 4 4

Louis Perez

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Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1962-12-17 Gabriel Brambila Hollywood, USA W KO 5
1962-08-17 Licho Guerrero Los Angeles, USA L TKO 6
1962-07-30 Gino Hernandez Santa Monica, USA W KO 4
1962-07-09 Chilo Carranza Los Angeles, USA W PTS 6
1962-05-28 Quan James Los Angeles, USA W PTS 6
1962-05-07 Francisco Castaneda Santa Monica, USA W KO 5
1962-02-26 Ed Edwards Santa Monica, USA W KO 4
1962-01-19 Jerry Stokes Los Angeles, USA W KO 5
1961-12-29 Al Miranda Los Angeles, USA W TKO 3
1961-12-15 Jimmy Brown Los Angeles, USA W KO 2
1961-11-04 Felipe Larrazola Los Angeles, USA W PTS 5
1961-10-19 Jerry Forche Los Angeles, USA W PTS 4
1961-10-12 Len Smike Los Angeles, USA L PTS 5
1961-09-28 Lorenzo Torres Los Angeles, USA W KO 4
1961-09-07 Jerry Forche Los Angeles, USA W PTS 5

Record to Date
Won 13 Lost 2 Drawn 0 Total 15
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Rick...I do remember Louis Perez, but just vaguely, do remember that Johnnie Flores thought that Perez was going places, but like Johnnie said "he felled in LOVE"!!, same old story just differed fighter :wink:
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bennie wrote:Image

This was Mamby at 60. His fight caused some outrage but Mamby was always defensively excellent and keeps himself in trim and nobody is moaning now.
When talking the great jaws of boxing I will always include the name Saoul Mamby. The names he fought and no one could put a dent in him or drop him at his peak. I believe the first time he went down he was already well into his 40s. And for some reason I think it was Rene Arredondo that dropped him after surviving the years with Duran, Cervantes and DeJesus.

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kikibalt wrote:Rick...I do remember Louis Perez, but just vaguely, do remember that Johnnie Flores thought that Perez was going places, but like Johnnie said "he felled in LOVE"!!, same old story just differed fighter :wink:
Frank . . . I could see the quality in the out-of-shape, rust covered version of Louie Perez. A glance at his record shows an impressive KO win over the slick Jerry "Sugar" Stokes. Another impressive victory was over one of Johnny Flores best "little known" boxers, and that was Chilo Carranza. Carranza was a blonde, blue-eyed Mexican who fought some of the world's best bantams when he was just 16 yrs. old. Johnny added Carranza to his stable around 1967 and I would have the good luck of working lots of rounds in the gym with Chilo. Carranza was a master boxer and skilled ring technician who spent time working with me in the gym.

Johnny Flores had a world class professional and amateur stable, however, It's the unknown or little known fighters that truly color my past in boxing. There were so many world class level boxers in Los Angeles back in the 60's, just a fine line seperating them from the very best. The word "close" comes to mind, and you know what they say about close. Close only counts when playing horse shoes and throwing hand grenades.

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Chilo Carranza

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Date Opponent Location Result
1967-06-08 Vic Jimenez Los Angeles, USA D PTS 6
1964-03-03 Eddie Santos Las Vegas, USA W TKO 9
1964-02-04 Daniel Valdez Las Vegas, USA W PTS 10
1963-11-06 Kamara Diop Reno, USA L PTS 10
1963-08-26 Willie Kee Las Vegas, USA W KO 5
1963-05-04 Skeeter Davis Las Vegas, USA W PTS 6
1962-10-24 Rudy Corona Phoenix, USA L KO 4
1962-09-04 Frank Chambers Tucson, USA W PTS 6
1962-08-29 Frank Chambers Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1962-07-09 Louis Perez Los Angeles, USA L PTS 6
1962-04-26 Babe Medina Nogales, USA W TKO 5
1962-04-18 Baby Ballas Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1962-03-28 Manuel Tarazon Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1962-02-14 Danny Medrano Phoenix, USA W PTS 8
1962-01-17 Ray Salazar Long Beach, USA L PTS 10
1962-01-10 Manny Elias Phoenix, USA L PTS 12
1961-12-20 Bobby Bell Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1961-12-13 George Rivera Phoenix, USA W TKO 2
1961-10-09 Manny Elias Tucson, USA L PTS 10
1961-08-16 Paul Chalmers Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1961-06-21 Paul Chalmers Phoenix, USA W SD 6
1961-05-31 Frank Chambers Phoenix, USA W PTS 8
1961-05-16 Frank Chambers Yuma, USA W PTS 10
1961-04-14 Mario Luciano Tucson, USA D PTS 4
1960-12-14 Danny Medrano Phoenix, USA L PTS 8
1960-12-07 Mario Estrada Phoenix, USA L PTS 4
1960-09-20 Mario Estrada Phoenix, USA L PTS 4
1960-08-16 Mickey Ariaza Tucson, USA L UD 4

Record to Date
Won 16 (KOs 4) Lost 10 Drawn 2 Total 28
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