Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Rick Farris wrote:Louis "The Lion" Perez . . .

Hey Frank, do you remember Johnny Flores' hot featherweight prospect from the late 50's (amateur) and early 60's pro? I met Louie in the mid-60's, when he was considering a comeback and training at Johnnie's Gym. Louie was a winner and lost only twice as a pro. Ironically, his last loss was to Licho Guerrero, who upset an cancer-striken Rodolfo Gonzalez awhile later.

There are many reasons why promising boxers quit boxing, or suddenly begin to lose fights they should win. In the case of Johnny Flores' little "Lion" from Canoga Park, he fell in love. "That was it." Flores told us laughing, "he fell in love and bit the dust!"

When I met Perez, it was in 1967, a few years after he'd last fought, and won. He was now married to the woman, had a houseful of kids and working construction. He'd show up at the gym in his work clothes, dried cement like crust on his work boots. He was no longer a featherweight, closer to light-heavy, his love for cerveza obvious.

The Lion trained for two or three months, would spread vaseline all over his body and then wrap trash bag plastic around his waste and upper body, creating a crude "sauna suit". It's what over-weight boxers did in the sixties. He'd warm up by boxing with me, I was under a hundred pounds and felt the power the Lion had in his fists. He was one of those guys who would jar you with a light punch. Anytime he'd touch you, he'd hurt you. And surprisingly, he was still fast, real fast. I could see why Johnnie Flores had been so high on his former amateur champ, homegrown right in the San Fernando Vally.


After a few months of sparring daily with Bob Bell, his old buddy and former stablemate Manny Diaz, and a couple others who'd come in and out, Louie "The Lion" Perez just disappeared. Manny laughed and told us, "He's got two loves now, his family and his beer."

Adios . . .


-Rick Farris
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Eddie Garcia L Tony Perez TKO 8 10
Archie Moore D Willie Pastrano PTS 10 10
Jerry Stokes W Wicho Morales PTS 8 8
Quan James L Louis Perez PTS 6 6
Larry Flores L Bennie Lira PTS 4 4

Louis Perez

Country USA
Global Id 118954
Hometown Canvea Park CA
Division Featherweight


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1962-12-17 Gabriel Brambila Hollywood, USA W KO 5
1962-08-17 Licho Guerrero Los Angeles, USA L TKO 6
1962-07-30 Gino Hernandez Santa Monica, USA W KO 4
1962-07-09 Chilo Carranza Los Angeles, USA W PTS 6
1962-05-28 Quan James Los Angeles, USA W PTS 6
1962-05-07 Francisco Castaneda Santa Monica, USA W KO 5
1962-02-26 Ed Edwards Santa Monica, USA W KO 4
1962-01-19 Jerry Stokes Los Angeles, USA W KO 5
1961-12-29 Al Miranda Los Angeles, USA W TKO 3
1961-12-15 Jimmy Brown Los Angeles, USA W KO 2
1961-11-04 Felipe Larrazola Los Angeles, USA W PTS 5
1961-10-19 Jerry Forche Los Angeles, USA W PTS 4
1961-10-12 Len Smike Los Angeles, USA L PTS 5
1961-09-28 Lorenzo Torres Los Angeles, USA W KO 4
1961-09-07 Jerry Forche Los Angeles, USA W PTS 5

Record to Date
Won 13 Lost 2 Drawn 0 Total 15
Frank . . . The results of a fight card listed above this record reflects a great night of boxing. In the main event, Archie Moore fights Willie Pastrano to a draw. In another ten rounder, Eddie Garcia stops Tony Perez in 8. Larry Flores, Julio's kid loses to Ben Lira, and you have Jerry Stokes and Louie Perez featured in two other matches. GREAT night of boxing- L.A. style! Frank, we knew all of these guys .

Do you remember Eddie Garcia? I do. I remember he was going great until he started using heroin, and then it was all down hill. Eddie did make a comeback around 1969, and scored an upset win over unbeaten "Handsome" Larry Harding, whom quit after just one loss to Garcia. It looked like old Eddie Garcia would find his stride again, however, a tough Filippino named Ely Yares busted him up, sending him back into retirement for good. Yares started to make a name for himself in L.A. until Ruben Navarro derailed him in early 1970. I remember these fights like it was yesterday.

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kikibalt wrote:Chilo Carranza

Country USA
Global Id 117778
Division Bantamweight


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1967-06-08 Vic Jimenez Los Angeles, USA D PTS 6
1964-03-03 Eddie Santos Las Vegas, USA W TKO 9
1964-02-04 Daniel Valdez Las Vegas, USA W PTS 10
1963-11-06 Kamara Diop Reno, USA L PTS 10
1963-08-26 Willie Kee Las Vegas, USA W KO 5
1963-05-04 Skeeter Davis Las Vegas, USA W PTS 6
1962-10-24 Rudy Corona Phoenix, USA L KO 4
1962-09-04 Frank Chambers Tucson, USA W PTS 6
1962-08-29 Frank Chambers Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1962-07-09 Louis Perez Los Angeles, USA L PTS 6
1962-04-26 Babe Medina Nogales, USA W TKO 5
1962-04-18 Baby Ballas Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1962-03-28 Manuel Tarazon Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1962-02-14 Danny Medrano Phoenix, USA W PTS 8
1962-01-17 Ray Salazar Long Beach, USA L PTS 10
1962-01-10 Manny Elias Phoenix, USA L PTS 12
1961-12-20 Bobby Bell Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1961-12-13 George Rivera Phoenix, USA W TKO 2
1961-10-09 Manny Elias Tucson, USA L PTS 10
1961-08-16 Paul Chalmers Phoenix, USA W PTS 6
1961-06-21 Paul Chalmers Phoenix, USA W SD 6
1961-05-31 Frank Chambers Phoenix, USA W PTS 8
1961-05-16 Frank Chambers Yuma, USA W PTS 10
1961-04-14 Mario Luciano Tucson, USA D PTS 4
1960-12-14 Danny Medrano Phoenix, USA L PTS 8
1960-12-07 Mario Estrada Phoenix, USA L PTS 4
1960-09-20 Mario Estrada Phoenix, USA L PTS 4
1960-08-16 Mickey Ariaza Tucson, USA L UD 4

Record to Date
Won 16 (KOs 4) Lost 10 Drawn 2 Total 28
Chilo's record is incomplete here. I know for a fact he went with Johnny Flores and Dwight Hawkins to Tampico, Mexico in 1967 to serve as a sparring partner for Hawkins for the Aurileo Muniz fight, and scored a KO on the undercard. He also won a 6 rd. decision over Raton Perez on the undercard of the Rodolfo Gonzalez-Claudio Adame match held in Long Beach the same year. Chilo (real name "Raul") was a helluva little bantamweight who fought Tucson's Manny Elias when he was just 16.

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Ritchie Valens' Roots

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Ritchie Valens, 1941 - 1959

By GREGG BARRIOS

WATSONVILLE, Calif. -- "I still remember the first time we heard Ritchie sing on the radio," the mother of the late Latino rock 'n' roller Ritchie Valens recalled about that distant day, almost 30 years ago.

"I told his brother Bob, come on, let's go to Saugus. I had some business there. I had a 1950 Olds then. The body wasn't too good, but I paid $50 for each tire and I bought five. I pulled over to the side of the road when 'Come On, Let's Go' came on the radio. We just sat there looking at each other amazed."

In those days, before son Ritchie became a star, the family lived in the San Fernando Valley. Mrs. Consuelo (Connie) Valenzuela would often take her kids to the Spanish-language movies, especially to the Million Dollar Theater in downtown Los Angeles where they would see master comic Cantinflas and Mexican charro/singer Tito Guizar. "I always thought you had really arrived when a film made it to that theater," she remembered.

Connie Valenzuela said she plans to return soon to the Million Dollar Theater with her now grown daughters. But this time they'll be seeing the Spanish-language version of "La Bamba," the new movie about her son's all-too-brief singing career and her family.

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Buddy Holly, left, Jerry Lee Lewis and Joe Mauldin in 1958

The Valens family now lives in the Central California farming community of Watsonville (south of San Jose). Over the July 4 weekend, "La Bamba" had a "hometown" preview for Valens' family and neighbors at the Fox Theater here, a typical Art Deco-styled movie house from the '30s that usually plays Spanish-language films today. The preview was given by Columbia Pictures to herald the nationwide opening of the film in English and Spanish this week.

The Valens family's on-screen counterparts were also at the screening: Lou Diamond Phillips, who plays Ritchie; Rosana De Soto, who is seen as Connie Valenzuela, and Esai Morales, who portrays the jealous half-brother, Bob Morales--the role that is pivotal in the film. But away from the excitement of the screening, Connie Valenzuela, 72, sat in one of her daughters' homes, surrounded by her several children and grandchildren. The two-story tract home has a wall devoted to photographs of Ritchie. One hand-tinted studio portrait shows a grinning teen-age Valens in a sport coat and bow tie, another of him standing next to a black-and-chromed '57 Thunderbird.

She was reflective, if a little dim, about memories of her son, who died Feb. 3, 1959 in a plane crash during a snowstorm in Iowa. That crash also killed two Texas rockers, Buddy Holly and J. P. (The Big Bopper) Richardson.

Connie Valenzuela said many of Ritchie's early songs came from things around his barrio when the family lived in the San Fernando Valley community of Pacoima. " 'That's My Little Suzie' was about a crippled neighbor girl. 'She rocks to the left, and rocks to the right' described her." Another, "Hurry Up," came from an expression that Valenzuela said she used to get her kids to do chores. (Her memory falters here, since the song wasn't actually written by Valens but appeared on his first album.) However, "Come On, Let's Go" did indeed come from an expression used by both Ritchie and his mom whenever they went somewhere.

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Valens with Bob Keane. Notice Valens' Gibson f-hole guitar.

"Later, when he started going out to play at different places, I would worry. After all, this 16-year-old kid was often out until midnight. So I'd call up one of the deejays, because at that time they would sponsor dances. Once, I called Art Laboe and told him it was time to get the guys home. Laboe never listened to me. But whenever I'd call up and ask to speak to Jerry Wallace (of "Primrose Lane" fame), he'd see that Ritchie would be back before I knew it." As she remembered, Connie Valenzuela, seated by the kitchen table, smiled.

Her children listened to her recollections, some for the first time. One of Valens' favorite songs, Mrs. Valenzuela said, was a child's lullaby he called "The Paddi Wack Song," which he sang accompanied by his guitar to his young sisters in the family's backyard.

In the summer of 1986, New Visions (Taylor Hackford's film production company) began filming the story of Ritchie's life, as written by Luis Valdez. Ritchie's grown up and married sisters Connie Jr. and Irma had small parts as farm workers in the opening sequence. Their own daughters, Gloria and Kristin, played their mothers (Ritchie's sisters) as young girls. (Mrs. Valenzuela and Ritchie's brother Bob also have small roles in the film.) Having seen the film several times now, both sisters have mixed emotions about the movie.

"I was too young to really know my brother," Connie Jr., 36, admitted. "He died when I was barely 7. I never knew all the problems poor Bob went through or all my mother had to put up with him at the time. After the film was over I just wanted to hold on to both of them. It's brought us all so much closer."

Irma, 35, nodded in approval of her sister's evaluation. "I wanted to see more about my brother Ritchie's career. I guess we didn't realize that it was going to be about both Bob and Ritchie. I remember calling New Visions one day and asking if the film was still about Ritchie. And they said, 'Well, more or less, but it's a story about two brothers now.'

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The graves of Concepcion and Richard "Ritchie Valens" Valenzuela, San Fernando Mission, 1992.


"I guess I was disappointed in some ways by that focus, but if it brings my brother's music to the world, then I'm for it." Irma pointed to her young son Eddie, whose light skin and hazel eyes reflect what his uncle Ritchie must have looked like at 12. "He's my own little Ritchie," Connie Jr., his aunt chortled, as she hugged the embarrassed youngster.


Waylon Jennings' first professional gig was playing bass with Buddy Holly (Jennings gave up his seat on the ill-fated flight that took the lives of Holly, the Big Bopper and Ritchie Valens in 1959). He still has a tremendous amount of admiration for Holly and enjoys reminiscing about the old days with one of rock 'n' roll's founding fathers.

"I learned the rockabilly thing from him. He was one of the first people who ever had any confidence in me. If he had lived, he probably would have owned studios because he loved creating. He really did, and he was really good at it.

"He always understood what he was doing and what he wanted to do. He was almost like a teacher. I'd hear him talking with Dion & the Belmonts and everything; he had some great ideas. He was going to do an album of blues-type stuff that he was writing. He loved Ray Charles, and he was gonna do the kind of riffs that Ray Charles did at the piano on his guitar.

"He was very, very smart--that's the only way to describe him. He was always thinking, and he didn't compromise in any way when it came to his music."

Bob Morales, Ritchie's older stepbrother, interrupted. "Even though Luis Valdez (the film's screenwriter and director) used his own interpretation of what happened, it couldn't have been any closer for me. . . . It was almost too close."

Morales, 50, who has lived in Watsonville since the early '70s, once wanted to be a fireman and, later on, an illustrator. He saved many animated gels from Walt Disney's Buena Vista's studios when he worked briefly as a garbage collector, he said. (The film, however, shows him finding Woody Woodpecker and Buzz Buzzard gels at Columbia Pictures--"La Bamba's" distributor.)

After many family difficulties and some trouble with the law, he finally matured and settled down. He worked as a counselor in a drug/alcohol abuse program in the '70s and today is married with eight children and is self-employed as an upholsterer-mechanic.

"I rejoined the family in 1952 because Ritchie was real upset over my (step) Dad's death." It was Bob's turn to recall his half-brother's memory. Dressed in black leather pants with a colorful jacket and Indian jewelry, he was undeniably an older version of the rebel and womanizer portrayed in the film.

Morales reluctantly admitted, as his younger sisters teased him, that his mom beat him up one night when he arrived home in a drunken state. However, in the film this incident is colored by Valdez who allows Morales to escape his mother's wrath with his machismo intact.

Another real-life incident handled differently in the film is when Morales takes Valens to a Tijuana brothel where Ritchie pays little attention to the ladies, but is fascinated by the musicians performing the traditional Mexican folk song, "La Bamba." Valens was later to electrify and immortalize "La Bamba" in 1959 as the first Spanish-language song to make it onto the top 10 pop charts. The song peaked on the charts a few weeks after his death.

"I never took Ritchie to that brothel. We had gone to Tijuana several times on a family trip with all the kids. We still have pictures in an album of the kids posed with a typical donkey. I, of course, was the one that had wound up in the red-light district on several occasions," he smiled mischievously.

(Actually, Valens' inspiration for the creation of "La Bamba" as a Latin rock song took place during his childhood when he would listen to it at family gatherings where Mexican music was played, according to his sister Connie. She said his mentor and "uncle" Dickie Cota taught the boy how to strum a guitar and how to sing it in Spanish. Connie Valenzuela said: "Ritchie never spoke in Spanish because his dad never did. I of course still speak it, but when I was around his father I never would.")

Ritchie Valens' mother shook her head. The conversation seemed to have put her in a jovial mood.

Asked why her personalized license plates on her late model Cadillac bear the words "Hi-Tone," Mrs. Valenzuela confessed it came from one of Ritchie's songs by the same name. "You know in the movie, some of the kids call him 'Hi Tone,' but that wasn't actually his nickname. It was sort of a slang expression for something or someone that was fancy or stuck-up. Latin people would say, ' Eso es hi-tone' (that's real fancy). And since Ritchie would dress up real sharp, they'd refer to him as 'hi tone' when he did."

Not all of the Valenzuela family's memories are quite as pleasant. One incident involved the house that Ritchie bought his mother months before his death. The house was heavily damaged by fire in 1967 and Ritchie's gold record for "Donna" and one of his guitars were destroyed, along with other mementos.

Dealing with Ritchie's former manager and promoter Bob Keane (who spelled his last name "Keene" until 1970) hasn't been so simpatico, either.

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"You know Bob Keane has controlled Ritchie's music for all these years. Oh, I get a bit of money now and then. BMI sends me a statement. But do you know that Keane presented me with a bill of $4,000 for Ritchie's funeral? And that '57 black and silver-chromed Thunderbird (it's blue in the movie) that Keane gave Ritchie? Well, he kept it in his garage after I lost Ritchie. We went over to his house one day to get it away from him"--Connie Valenzuela's voice was stern as she continued--"but he kept insisting it was his."

Keane, an L.A. big band leader and record producer, has just released a 12-inch Latin dance cut--"La Bamba '87"--using an alternate take of Valens' vocal track recorded during the original 1958 session). He said Valenzuela's charges are "ridiculous."

"She was in worse financial condition than I was," he said in a Sunset Boulevard Mexican food eatery. "I put up over $7,000 so they'd ship the kid's body back and put him in a decent coffin. I still have the check somewhere."

As far as the Thunderbird, Keane said: "I may have told Ritchie at one time that if he kept doing as well as he was, I might get him a car. But I never really promised him one."

Somehow, Connie Valenzuela seems more resigned than angry about these incidents. At the end of 1987, all music publishing rights to Valens' compositions will revert to her. The recordings, however, are another matter. The masters of Valens' recordings are owned by Keane "in perpetuity," according to Keane, and he has licensed the rights to Rhino Records.

Unprepared for the sudden fame that Ritchie's music generated, Connie Valenzuela was also completely unaware of the world of contracts and music rights. When Keane's partner, the late Herb Montie, contacted her about a managing contract for her son, Ritchie was already playing clubs and being recorded by Keane. "One day Herb called me and said to sign a contract just in case anything might happen to Ritchie; otherwise, I wouldn't get anything. So I did. I got an insurance policy on his life." (Later, she collected double indemnity on that policy.)

When Valens died, his first album hadn't even been released yet (though the film shows Keane giving them out at record hops). "It took them eight days to send Ritchie's body back from Iowa. They didn't send him to me by plane. Instead, they sent him on a train to San Fernando. When they (Keane and associates) came in to the mortuary, they brought copies of the album. It had been released in those eight days since his death. I originally wasn't going to play the album because it was too painful. But I finally put on a brave front and said to myself, 'I'm going to play them before I bury him,' and I did."

The years after Valens' death were lean ones. "We didn't want the memories brought back. Everyone wanted a contract for Ritchie's music. 'Mrs. Valenzuela, would you sign this contract on your living room table and send it back to us.' That's what one promoter wrote me."

She then tried to manage an Asian-Mexican singer, Chan Romera, who gained some regional recognition in California with his version of "Hippy Hippy Shake." After attending a Ritchie Valens memorial dance here, she decided to move from Pacoima, which harbored many unhappy memories.

In the '70s, the Valenzuela families were approached by Walter Ulloa, who was preparing a screenplay of Ritchie's life. The family gave him two years to come up with something. "He never was able to sell it. In fact, when Donna Ludwig (Ritchie's teen-age girlfriend whom he immortalized in the song "Donna") read the script, Ulloa had to change it because he had portrayed Donna's parents as bigots." Actually, Connie Valenzuela explained, Donna's mom liked Ritchie, it was her father who didn't. "I ultimately told him to forget about it," she said.

When Danny Valdez (Luis' brother and associate producer of the film "La Bamba") finally connected with the Valenzuelas, they weren't interested in another film project. Valdez lives 15 miles away in San Juan Bautista (home for El Teatro Campesino, of which he and Luis are founding members). Ultimately, the Valenzuelas gave him five years to get the project together. It was completed two years ahead of the deadline.

"He (Danny) plays my brother in the film," says Mrs. Valenzuela. "But they got it wrong. My brother was blond. Danny is dark. Oh well, that's Hollywood, I guess," she added, shifting her attention from the film "Jaws," which her grandchildren were watching in the living room. "I was a little nervous the first time I saw the film. I've gotten used to it now. I tire easily from a recent operation I had. But everything seems to be coming up real nice now."

Ritchie's sister Irma, who is a preschool teacher in Watsonville and the mother of three kids herself, beamed as she talked about a brother she barely knew. She feels the film will be an inspiration for today's Latino youth. "They don't have to be macho or mean or cuss or take drugs to be a man. They will also see that it's OK to be sensitive, tender and care for their families, too."

Connie Jr., a customer service rep for a local insurance company and the mother of two, summed up how she will always remember her brother Ritchie. "He was never too busy for us. Bob was out there with women and booze; Mom worked a lot, and my dad had left us. But we had Ritchie. He was like my mom, dad or best friend. He was always there for Irma and I. That's all we had. It was him."
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And now for something really different . . .

The Big Bopper died in the same plane crash as Buddy Holly and Ritchie Valens. He was buried back then in 1959.

Now the original burial casket is for sale on e-bay (the details are copied below)

I've know many musicians who have done strange things but it seems this rock'n'roll pioneer's family are even stranger.

read on - if you must!!


(Buddy Holly) BIG BOPPERS ORIGINAL 1959 BURIAL CASKET Item number: 220118994998

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The Original 1959 Casket That The Big Bopper Was Buried In

Buddy Holly (Charles Hardin Holley), Ritchie Valens (Richard Valenzuela), and the Big Bopper (J.P. Richardson) were killed, along with the pilot, on February 3, 1959 in that tragic plane crash that shook the world.

The Big Bopper was known worldwide for his hit "Chantilly Lace", followed by "Big Bopper’s Wedding", and others. He also wrote the #1 songs "White Lightning" (hit by George Jones) and "Running Bear" (hit for Johnny Preston).He set the world record for staying on the air as a DJ in 1957, and made what is recognized as the first music videos (for that particular purpose) in 1958, plus much more.

The Big Bopper’s funeral was held at Broussard’s Funeral home in Beaumont, Texas on February 6, 1959, and he was buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Beaumont. (See the black and white photo showing the casket of the Big Bopper at the funeral.)

Forest Lawn Cemetery wanted to exhume the Big Bopper’s body (and his wife Teensie) and move them to a different part of the cemetery. The Bopper’s son, Jay Richardson, agreed and this was completed on March 6, 2007. The Big Bopper was reburied in a new casket. (See the color photo of the casket on the trailer after the exhumation was completed.)

My name is Bill Griggs and I represent Jay Richardson and was present at that exhumation. I watched the burial vault containing the casket come out of the ground. I watched the opening of the vault to reveal the original 1959 casket. I also watched as that casket was opened and the body of the Big Bopper (which had been amazingly preserved) was removed and transferred to the new casket. I also acted as a pallbearer for the Big Bopper as his body was reburied at the new site in the cemetery. Therefore, I am a first hand witness to the fact that this is the original 1959 casket that contained the body of the Big Bopper. (You can read my report of the exhumation proceedings at

http://www.rockin50s.com/exhumation.htm

Since then, all the interior furnishings of the casket (cloth, pillow, etc) has been medically burned and the original casket cleaned and treated. Jay would like to see this piece of musical history end up in a museum of sorts, where it could be a centerpiece display, but will sell it to anyone who is interested. It is made of very heavy gauge steel and is extremely heavy. (Six of us could not pick it up and two more people were needed to do it.). Because of the size and weight, arrangement must be made to pick this up in person unless the buyer wants to arrange for freight delivery privately.

Payment is to be made with any type of transfer of funds, agreeable to both parties, within ten days of the end of this auction. The casket will not be released until such funds have been properly cleared and placed in the bank account of Jay Richardson.

This is not a copy or reproduction, this is the ORIGINAL 1959 BATESVILLE MONOSEAL CASKET that the Big Bopper had been buried in.

Bonus Items!
As Jay Richardson is in hopes that a museum will purchase this historic piece and to help with a proper display of this item, along with the casket, the buyer will ALSO receive:

1. The ORIGINAL thank you letter, dated February 16, 1959, from the Galion Metallic Vault company, the company that made the vault that held the casket.

2. The ORIGINAL thank you letter, dated February 12, 1959, from the Batesville Casket Company for using their patented Monoseal casket.

3. A set of color photos showing the grave being opened with a backhoe, the vault coming out of the ground, the casket out of the vault, and so on. Note, no photos showing the body will be included.

4. An 8"x10" b&w promotional photograph of the Big Bopper that Jay Richardson believes has never been previously published. (Copyright for this remains with Jay Richardson.)

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to acquire such a historical item from 1959 that can be fully documented. Good luck.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBM4gJZllVM

Bennie, I just found this on youtube. I don't know when it was made but it was great seeing Harry Mullan in action again. Good topic as well. I think Harry passed away in '96 or so. BTW, I agree with Mullan's choice as the greatest British boxer being Ken Buchanan. It was a nice little piece. 5 parts on youtube. Also, wasn't Harry and allegedly's relationship always strained?

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raylawpc wrote:And now for something really different . . .

The Big Bopper died in the same plane crash as Buddy Holly and Ritchie Valens. He was buried back then in 1959.

Now the original burial casket is for sale on e-bay (the details are copied below)

I've know many musicians who have done strange things but it seems this rock'n'roll pioneer's family are even stranger.

read on - if you must!!


(Buddy Holly) BIG BOPPERS ORIGINAL 1959 BURIAL CASKET Item number: 220118994998

Starting bid: US $249,999.00 Place Bid >

Shipping costs: Pickup only - see item description for details
Ships to: Will arrange for local pickup only (no shipping).
Item location: Beaumont, TX, United States
History: 0 bids

Listing and payment details: HideShow
Starting time: Jun-04-07 17:36:05 PDT
Starting bid: US $249,999.00
Duration: 10-day listing
Payment methods: Money order/Cashiers check
See details

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Member: since Aug-21-99 in United States

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The Original 1959 Casket That The Big Bopper Was Buried In

Buddy Holly (Charles Hardin Holley), Ritchie Valens (Richard Valenzuela), and the Big Bopper (J.P. Richardson) were killed, along with the pilot, on February 3, 1959 in that tragic plane crash that shook the world.

The Big Bopper was known worldwide for his hit "Chantilly Lace", followed by "Big Bopper’s Wedding", and others. He also wrote the #1 songs "White Lightning" (hit by George Jones) and "Running Bear" (hit for Johnny Preston).He set the world record for staying on the air as a DJ in 1957, and made what is recognized as the first music videos (for that particular purpose) in 1958, plus much more.

The Big Bopper’s funeral was held at Broussard’s Funeral home in Beaumont, Texas on February 6, 1959, and he was buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Beaumont. (See the black and white photo showing the casket of the Big Bopper at the funeral.)

Forest Lawn Cemetery wanted to exhume the Big Bopper’s body (and his wife Teensie) and move them to a different part of the cemetery. The Bopper’s son, Jay Richardson, agreed and this was completed on March 6, 2007. The Big Bopper was reburied in a new casket. (See the color photo of the casket on the trailer after the exhumation was completed.)

My name is Bill Griggs and I represent Jay Richardson and was present at that exhumation. I watched the burial vault containing the casket come out of the ground. I watched the opening of the vault to reveal the original 1959 casket. I also watched as that casket was opened and the body of the Big Bopper (which had been amazingly preserved) was removed and transferred to the new casket. I also acted as a pallbearer for the Big Bopper as his body was reburied at the new site in the cemetery. Therefore, I am a first hand witness to the fact that this is the original 1959 casket that contained the body of the Big Bopper. (You can read my report of the exhumation proceedings at

http://www.rockin50s.com/exhumation.htm

Since then, all the interior furnishings of the casket (cloth, pillow, etc) has been medically burned and the original casket cleaned and treated. Jay would like to see this piece of musical history end up in a museum of sorts, where it could be a centerpiece display, but will sell it to anyone who is interested. It is made of very heavy gauge steel and is extremely heavy. (Six of us could not pick it up and two more people were needed to do it.). Because of the size and weight, arrangement must be made to pick this up in person unless the buyer wants to arrange for freight delivery privately.

Payment is to be made with any type of transfer of funds, agreeable to both parties, within ten days of the end of this auction. The casket will not be released until such funds have been properly cleared and placed in the bank account of Jay Richardson.

This is not a copy or reproduction, this is the ORIGINAL 1959 BATESVILLE MONOSEAL CASKET that the Big Bopper had been buried in.

Bonus Items!
As Jay Richardson is in hopes that a museum will purchase this historic piece and to help with a proper display of this item, along with the casket, the buyer will ALSO receive:

1. The ORIGINAL thank you letter, dated February 16, 1959, from the Galion Metallic Vault company, the company that made the vault that held the casket.

2. The ORIGINAL thank you letter, dated February 12, 1959, from the Batesville Casket Company for using their patented Monoseal casket.

3. A set of color photos showing the grave being opened with a backhoe, the vault coming out of the ground, the casket out of the vault, and so on. Note, no photos showing the body will be included.

4. An 8"x10" b&w promotional photograph of the Big Bopper that Jay Richardson believes has never been previously published. (Copyright for this remains with Jay Richardson.)

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to acquire such a historical item from 1959 that can be fully documented. Good luck.

At the time of his death, Richie Valens lived three blocks from my manager, Johnnie Flores. in Pacoima, Cal.
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Boxers for Life . . .

I recently turned 57, and have stayed fit thruout my life by continuing a boxer's workout. Today, I no longer get in the ring and box, but I stretch out, hit the bags, skip rope, prcatice my combinations, throw in some martial arts and a little light weight lifting, as well as run the Hollywood Hills near my home. I work striking techniques with a 24-year-old grappler buddy of mine, who has competed in a couple UFC matches. He's a quick learner, and he punches sharper today after out workouts.

It may seem unusual for an ex-boxer to continue training after their ring career is over, however, it's not uncommon. Today, I train at the Lincoln Heights Gym which is a little north of East L.A. The gym is the former L.A. City Jail, which closed down in 1965 after the Watts riots. It's been a fully equipped City funded gym since my old manager, Johnnie Flores, opened it in the early 70's.

One of the gym regulars is a 67-year-old former banatmweight named Chuy Chavez. Chuy is in the gym five days a week and works his rounds on all of the bags, finishing with sit-ups. Like me, Chavez was no all-time great, but like me he fought all over the city, and in Mexico as well. He fought several top cntenders during his late 60's-early 70's career, including former bantam champ, Rafael Herrera.

Chavez looks as if he could step into the ring today, he's fit, punches sharp, a slicker boxer than most of the young kids you see today. He defies mother nature with his youthful looks and strong body. I had no clue that Chuy was ten years older than I was. While the youth of today spend most of their time at the Lincoln Heights Gym in the weight room, flexing and pumping up their muscles, Chavez and I pound the bags.

What are we training for? I don't know, it just keeps me young, and Chuy feels the same. And who knows, one day some A-Hole just might go too far and force me to fight? If that day comes, I want a little more on my side than memories. Crazy, huh?


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Rick, I understand why you still do the boxers workout.And, you are in great shape.You look alot younger than 57 my friend.
That is perhaps the best thing about immersing oneself in boxing or any other combat sport for that matter.
The residual benefits that stay with you forever.Physical and mental health as well as being able to stretch some clown who starts some shit.
Ive taught martial arts classes for years, and Ive always told my students they become ex blackbelts if they earn that level of competence and then decide to quit training and then turn into fat slobs who couldnt fight there way out of a paper bag.
I feel the same way about myself. Thats why Im like you. I try to stay with it as best I can.
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Rick Farris wrote:Boxers for Life . . .

I recently turned 57, and have stayed fit thruout my life by continuing a boxer's workout. Today, I no longer get in the ring and box, but I stretch out, hit the bags, skip rope, prcatice my combinations, throw in some martial arts and a little light weight lifting, as well as run the Hollywood Hills near my home. I work striking techniques with a 24-year-old grappler buddy of mine, who has competed in a couple UFC matches. He's a quick learner, and he punches sharper today after out workouts.

It may seem unusual for an ex-boxer to continue training after their ring career is over, however, it's not uncommon. Today, I train at the Lincoln Heights Gym which is a little north of East L.A. The gym is the former L.A. City Jail, which closed down in 1965 after the Watts riots. It's been a fully equipped City funded gym since my old manager, Johnnie Flores, opened it in the early 70's.

One of the gym regulars is a 67-year-old former banatmweight named Chuy Chavez. Chuy is in the gym five days a week and works his rounds on all of the bags, finishing with sit-ups. Like me, Chavez was no all-time great, but like me he fought all over the city, and in Mexico as well. He fought several top cntenders during his late 60's-early 70's career, including former bantam champ, Rafael Herrera.

Chavez looks as if he could step into the ring today, he's fit, punches sharp, a slicker boxer than most of the young kids you see today. He defies mother nature with his youthful looks and strong body. I had no clue that Chuy was ten years older than I was. While the youth of today spend most of their time at the Lincoln Heights Gym in the weight room, flexing and pumping up their muscles, Chavez and I pound the bags.

What are we training for? I don't know, it just keeps me young, and Chuy feels the same. And who knows, one day some A-Hole just might go too far and force me to fight? If that day comes, I want a little more on my side than memories. Crazy, huh?


-Rick Farris
Boxing training is a great cardovascular workout.

It can also help improve in other sports too. The footwork in boxing has some similarity to the footwork used by centers and power forwards under the net in basketball. I remember in Oklahoma City that we had a high school basketball center who trained with us in the off-season in his junior and senior years. He went through the whole thing, including sparring, although he never had a amateur or pro fight.

His Dad encouraged him to workout with us in the off-season because it would (a) improve his footwork under the basket, (b) make him tougher under the basket, and (c) keep him in shape during the off-season. Must have worked - the guy was a full-scholarship starter at Oklahoma State as a center/forward. His dad credited his son's success in basketball with his boxing training.
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Expug wrote:Rick, I understand why you still do the boxers workout.And, you are in great shape.You look alot younger than 57 my friend.
That is perhaps the best thing about immersing oneself in boxing or any other combat sport for that matter.
The residual benefits that stay with you forever.Physical and mental health as well as being able to stretch some clown who starts some shit.
Ive taught martial arts classes for years, and Ive always told my students they become ex blackbelts if they earn that level of competence and then decide to quit training and then turn into fat slobs who couldnt fight there way out of a paper bag.
I feel the same way about myself. Thats why Im like you. I try to stay with it as best I can.

Pug . . . You are in amazing shape and still competeing! I never saw you fight, but in a straight boxing match I would bet you against many of today's heavyweight contenders, walking in right off the street. You were never beaten in a pro boxing ring, that says something to me. I look forward to the Judo Nationals in April.

You are right about staying in shape. Fighters who think they can retain their skills after quitting are in for a major shock when they find themselves in an unscheduled fight. Fighting ain't like riding a bike, I've always known that. You not only lose your conditioning, but you forget your skills, the things you practiced repetitiously and once came so natural, are out the window. The things you do remember and still do instinctivly don't work because you haven't the timing to make them work. And, it hurts one helluva lot more than you remember when you take a shot. We deal with it, like we did, however, the older you get the more painful it is and the recovery time greater. The skin tears easier, etc. etc.

If you stay in condition, and more important, take the time to teach beginning or experienced fighters, you retain the mental edge. Teaching is a process where you literally reteach yourself and perfect what you already know, those subtle moves really begin to take on a new meaning, you are smarter. It's a shame you can't put an experienced mind in a younger body, but since we can't, we must take care of what we have.

I have to say that I loved boxing, I loved everything about it, the way it felt, the way I lived, the people I've met. I'm very lucky, my body has always taken care of me, and I have abused it to the max. I have truly lived the life in which I live, and I have worked in a very wild business for more than three decades. I have done my share of "dissipating" as my old manager, Mel Epstein, would say, but I have always kept in shape. Today, I ride easy in the saddle of life when it comes to having a good time. The best times I have today are often in the gym, working with somebody who really wants to learn.


-Rick
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Barrera Is Dissed

By Felipe Leon

According various reports, former multi divisional world champion Marco Antonio Barrera was booed at the conclusion of his much anticipated return to his adopted home town of Guadalajara, MX.

Originally from Mexico City, Barrera had not fought in the city where he makes his home in seventeen years. After his original opponent Johnny Nolasco did not make it to the weigh in, the night’s promoters had to scramble to find a last minute replacement in the cuban Freudis Rojas.

After a couple of rounds were both boxers were hesitant in engaging, Barrera landed a telling left hook to end the second stanza. In the third, Rojas connected with his head which opened a gash in Barrera’s head that required fourteen stitches according to Jorge Barrera, the former champion’s brother and corner man.

Barrera made his way out of the ring among chants of “fraud, fraud” much to his understanding.

“I was upset at the type of opponent that he was. I respect the crowd’s decision to yell what they did. There is really not much I can say.”

Barrera was scheduled to meet Britain’s Amir Khan in a much anticipated clash mid March but now those plans might be in the air.
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Why is the ring announcer's image is bigger than the boxers?

This is a program for a Heavyweight title fight.
It look likes an album cover for a Ricky Nelson LP. :confused:


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I wasn't aware Elvis was the ring announcer for Johansson-Patterson II . . .
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Buddy Holly is my favorite 1950s Rock and Roll artist. If you have the time, read detailed accounts about the 1959 Winter Dance Tour, which was an incrediable mess right from the beginning. Those poor fellows were traveling long distances in freezing weather between venues on horrible buses which had inadequate heaters at best and were breaking down constantly. Charlie Bunch, the drummer in Holly's band on the tour, had to be hospitalized with frostbitten feet before the fateful show at Clear Lake, Iowa.

- Chuck Johnston

Note- I made a mistake.....Carl Bunch, not Charlie, was the drummer in Holly's band on the tour.
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Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Rick, I understand why you still do the boxers workout.And, you are in great shape.You look alot younger than 57 my friend.
That is perhaps the best thing about immersing oneself in boxing or any other combat sport for that matter.
The residual benefits that stay with you forever.Physical and mental health as well as being able to stretch some clown who starts some shit.
Ive taught martial arts classes for years, and Ive always told my students they become ex blackbelts if they earn that level of competence and then decide to quit training and then turn into fat slobs who couldnt fight there way out of a paper bag.
I feel the same way about myself. Thats why Im like you. I try to stay with it as best I can.

Pug . . . You are in amazing shape and still competeing! I never saw you fight, but in a straight boxing match I would bet you against many of today's heavyweight contenders, walking in right off the street. You were never beaten in a pro boxing ring, that says something to me. I look forward to the Judo Nationals in April.

You are right about staying in shape. Fighters who think they can retain their skills after quitting are in for a major shock when they find themselves in an unscheduled fight. Fighting ain't like riding a bike, I've always known that. You not only lose your conditioning, but you forget your skills, the things you practiced repetitiously and once came so natural, are out the window. The things you do remember and still do instinctivly don't work because you haven't the timing to make them work. And, it hurts one helluva lot more than you remember when you take a shot. We deal with it, like we did, however, the older you get the more painful it is and the recovery time greater. The skin tears easier, etc. etc.

If you stay in condition, and more important, take the time to teach beginning or experienced fighters, you retain the mental edge. Teaching is a process where you literally reteach yourself and perfect what you already know, those subtle moves really begin to take on a new meaning, you are smarter. It's a shame you can't put an experienced mind in a younger body, but since we can't, we must take care of what we have.

I have to say that I loved boxing, I loved everything about it, the way it felt, the way I lived, the people I've met. I'm very lucky, my body has always taken care of me, and I have abused it to the max. I have truly lived the life in which I live, and I have worked in a very wild business for more than three decades. I have done my share of "dissipating" as my old manager, Mel Epstein, would say, but I have always kept in shape. Today, I ride easy in the saddle of life when it comes to having a good time. The best times I have today are often in the gym, working with somebody who really wants to learn.


-Rick
Rick and Brian, I admire both of you guys for keeping yourselves in good shape. I know that the older we get the harder it is to maintain it, especially if you let it go and gain some weight. I've gained some weight the last few years. No excuses. I just got lazy. Seeing both of you guys is inspirational. You've reminded me of what I need to do.

Brian, I 100% agree with Rick. I think you would have no problem competing in boxing today. I would put my money on you my friend.

Dissipating. One of Mel Epstein's favorite words. Usually used in conjunction with "F#cking broads".

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Rick Farris wrote:Boxers for Life . . .

I recently turned 57, and have stayed fit thruout my life by continuing a boxer's workout. Today, I no longer get in the ring and box, but I stretch out, hit the bags, skip rope, prcatice my combinations, throw in some martial arts and a little light weight lifting, as well as run the Hollywood Hills near my home. I work striking techniques with a 24-year-old grappler buddy of mine, who has competed in a couple UFC matches. He's a quick learner, and he punches sharper today after out workouts.

It may seem unusual for an ex-boxer to continue training after their ring career is over, however, it's not uncommon. Today, I train at the Lincoln Heights Gym which is a little north of East L.A. The gym is the former L.A. City Jail, which closed down in 1965 after the Watts riots. It's been a fully equipped City funded gym since my old manager, Johnnie Flores, opened it in the early 70's.

One of the gym regulars is a 67-year-old former banatmweight named Chuy Chavez. Chuy is in the gym five days a week and works his rounds on all of the bags, finishing with sit-ups. Like me, Chavez was no all-time great, but like me he fought all over the city, and in Mexico as well. He fought several top cntenders during his late 60's-early 70's career, including former bantam champ, Rafael Herrera.

Chavez looks as if he could step into the ring today, he's fit, punches sharp, a slicker boxer than most of the young kids you see today. He defies mother nature with his youthful looks and strong body. I had no clue that Chuy was ten years older than I was. While the youth of today spend most of their time at the Lincoln Heights Gym in the weight room, flexing and pumping up their muscles, Chavez and I pound the bags.

What are we training for? I don't know, it just keeps me young, and Chuy feels the same. And who knows, one day some A-Hole just might go too far and force me to fight? If that day comes, I want a little more on my side than memories. Crazy, huh?


-Rick Farris
Good stuff Rick! I gotta catch up with all the post. Life and work has kept me busier than usual this last few weeks.

I remember Sugar Ray Robinson going to the Main Street Gym during the 70's. He would warm up, skip rope, shadow box, hit both the heavy bag and speed bag. Always wearing the red plastic or vinyl sweat suit.

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Rick Farris wrote:Hey Randy . . .

A few years back, our friend John Bardelli gave me a beautifully framed photo of his dad, Young Firpo, and Mel, taken back around 1932. Firp loved Buicks, and this pic shows Mel & Firp standing in front of his car, with his arm around Mel's shoulder. Mel would have been right around 32, but he looks about 55. He actually has a full head of hair, and he has this silly smile on his face ala Stan Laurel. It's a classic photo and I'd scan it, but I'm afraid to take it out of it's custom frame. I'll see if John could send it to me via E-mail, and if so I'll get it to Frank to post. It's a grainy B&W print that fully conveys the era. The guys of this thread would enjoy it, brings a smile to your face.

-Rick
Rick, I would like that very much. Please do that. It would make my decafe to have a photo of Mel, and made all the better with Firpo included.

I know what you mean about the Stan Laurel smile. When he really let go of a good laugh that smile of his was almost frightening. It would stop me dead in my tracks.

Randy :lol:
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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
With the Farris's, Bill & Rick.
Frank reminds me of Johnnie Flores in many ways. Both are L.A. boxing legends, and both look much younger than their age (Johnny was killed in a late 1994 "accident", at age 78, but he looked years younger). It just occured to me that Frank is older than Mel Epstein was when he started training me in 1971.

If Frank lives to be a 120, he could not possibly look as old as Mel did at 70. I know our pal Randy will agree. Mel was born old! :lol:

-Rick
Rick, I believe Mel was in his mid 50's, give or take a year, when he was born. For a more accurate depiction go see "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button".

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geoffreysadao wrote:I've been a boxing fan for a long time. I toyed around with boxing a little bit, being taught at the New Oakland Boxing Club at 12st and Harrison. Also, I went to Newman's Gym and the Berkeley PAL. I had some great teachers/trainers like Dick Foster, Charley Smith and Jimmy Simmons. Dick and Jimmy are probably deceased now. I last saw Charley in Nov. of 2002 at a boxing show in Vallejo.

I live in Sacramento now, and I used to go to the Capitol Boxing Gym on Stockton Blvd. I remember guys like Ernie Guevara, Joe Guevara, and John Maes Brown.

Most recently, I went to La Dinamita Boxing Gym in North Highlands, which is owned by Rogelio Castaneda Sr. His son, Rogelio Jr., has had a good pro career.

I've had so many favorite fighters in the past. Earnie Shavers, Jimmy Young, Yaqui Lopez, Fidel Fraijo, Jesse Burnett, Andy Ganigan are some that come to mind. I still follow the game pretty closely today, and I watch old fights on You Tube. My wife is a distant cousin to Bobby Chacon. We had the opportunity to meet him at a boxing event in Sacramento last August. My wife has been able to talk to Bobby and his girlfriend over the phone. What a great thing!

I work as a social worker and practice Nichiren Buddhism, something that I've been familiar with since 1981. We chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.

I look forward to correspondence with the West Coast boxing community.

Sincerely,
Geoffrey Prenter
A little belated Geoff, but welcome to this thread. You won't find a better one. Great minds here. I learn something new every time I log on. As you have probably already noticed, in addition to boxing we talk about anything and everything under the sun.

Welcome
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Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Sugar Ray Robinson
Great painting, that's Robinson.
Rick, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Randy :bow:
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Randyman wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Rick, I understand why you still do the boxers workout.And, you are in great shape.You look alot younger than 57 my friend.
That is perhaps the best thing about immersing oneself in boxing or any other combat sport for that matter.
The residual benefits that stay with you forever.Physical and mental health as well as being able to stretch some clown who starts some shit.
Ive taught martial arts classes for years, and Ive always told my students they become ex blackbelts if they earn that level of competence and then decide to quit training and then turn into fat slobs who couldnt fight there way out of a paper bag.
I feel the same way about myself. Thats why Im like you. I try to stay with it as best I can.

Pug . . . You are in amazing shape and still competeing! I never saw you fight, but in a straight boxing match I would bet you against many of today's heavyweight contenders, walking in right off the street. You were never beaten in a pro boxing ring, that says something to me. I look forward to the Judo Nationals in April.

You are right about staying in shape. Fighters who think they can retain their skills after quitting are in for a major shock when they find themselves in an unscheduled fight. Fighting ain't like riding a bike, I've always known that. You not only lose your conditioning, but you forget your skills, the things you practiced repetitiously and once came so natural, are out the window. The things you do remember and still do instinctivly don't work because you haven't the timing to make them work. And, it hurts one helluva lot more than you remember when you take a shot. We deal with it, like we did, however, the older you get the more painful it is and the recovery time greater. The skin tears easier, etc. etc.

If you stay in condition, and more important, take the time to teach beginning or experienced fighters, you retain the mental edge. Teaching is a process where you literally reteach yourself and perfect what you already know, those subtle moves really begin to take on a new meaning, you are smarter. It's a shame you can't put an experienced mind in a younger body, but since we can't, we must take care of what we have.

I have to say that I loved boxing, I loved everything about it, the way it felt, the way I lived, the people I've met. I'm very lucky, my body has always taken care of me, and I have abused it to the max. I have truly lived the life in which I live, and I have worked in a very wild business for more than three decades. I have done my share of "dissipating" as my old manager, Mel Epstein, would say, but I have always kept in shape. Today, I ride easy in the saddle of life when it comes to having a good time. The best times I have today are often in the gym, working with somebody who really wants to learn.


-Rick
Rick and Brian, I admire both of you guys for keeping yourselves in good shape. I know that the older we get the harder it is to maintain it, especially if you let it go and gain some weight. I've gained some weight the last few years. No excuses. I just got lazy. Seeing both of you guys is inspirational. You've reminded me of what I need to do.

Brian, I 100% agree with Rick. I think you would have no problem competing in boxing today. I would put my money on you my friend.

Dissipating. One of Mel Epstein's favorite words. Usually used in conjunction with "F#cking broads".

Randy
Randy . . . Dissipating & F#cking broads= Vintage Mel Epstein dialouge.
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Rick
Ask your friend Chuy Chavez about his first pro bout. It was in Tijuana at the Jai Lai Palace. I was at that fight. The most thrilling 2 rounds of action I've ever seen. I wrote about that fight earlier in the thread. Thanks,Rog
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