Hypothetical Match-Up Game

[harrygreb]

cuevas takes the once seemingly indestructable tony to school and produces a class KO in round 5. margarito is just too easy to read and is floored 3 times in the fateful round before he sensibly stays glued to the canvas.

matthew saad muhammad v rocky marciano - lightheavy clash

[allworld80]

The weight would favor Muhammed slightly, but Marciano catches up to him eventually, and scores the thunderous knockout in the 6th round.

John Mugabi vs Ricardo Mayorga @ 154

[Goodnight, Irene]

Great, watchable fight, T-Man. Mugabi to stop Mayorga in ten rounds, IMO. Mugabi down on a flash in the third, Mayorga down twice in the tenth. Mayorga deducted one point for low blows, Mugabi loses one point for rabbit-punching, frustrated by Mayorga's curious ring flair.

A Welterweight Double-Header:

Napoles-Hearns, 15 Rounds
Cokes-Walker, 15 Rounds...

[harrygreb]

i have to stick with my previous statement that jose napoles at his best around 1969 is pretty awesome and close to unbeatable. he certainly beats hearns at this weight in my view by late KO...or maybe a UD?...NAAH i go for late KO.

NAPOLES KO 11

walker cant beat cokes at welter. this one is clearly cokes fight. he wins by UD.


LIGHTWEIGHT BATTLE
ALEXIS ARGUELLO V CARLOS ORTIZ

PLUS!!!! A RETURN FIGHT AT LIGHT WELTER

[AngryGoon38]

Ortiz by MD @ 135

Ortiz by SD @ 140


Jesse James Leija vs Barry McGuigan @ 126

Emmanuel Augustus vs Arturo Gatti @ 140

Pete Ranzany vs Mickey Ward @ 147

All prime vs prime bouts,All 12 Rounders,and all have no 3 kd rule.

[allworld80]

McGuigan by a wide decision

Gatti by a close decision in a competitive fight

Ranzany by a SD in a brutal affair

Wayne Braithwaite vs Jimmy Young @ 200

[Goodnight, Irene]

Young with one too many tricks for Braithwaite --- he pulls off a UD. Young is a little under-rated.

George Foreman-Lennox Lewis, 1992...Lewis, talented but years short of his prime. Foreman, probably at the peak of his comeback powers, but not a patch on the early '70's version. Who you got, as they say around here?

[harrygreb]

i wasnt sold on lewis for real champ quality until the year you specify, 1992!!!!
he was really good that year in fact i prefered him to the rather static fella who dominated the heavy scene 7 years later.
the 1992 lennox beats big george by TKO IN 8 ROUNDS.

billy graham v meldrick taylor at 147lbs

[Goodnight, Irene]

Graham too much to handle for Taylor. He takes a UD.

Main Event...

Ray Leonard (1987) vs. Michael Nunn (1990)...12 Rounds at Middleweight.

The Undercard...

Pepino Cuevas (1980) vs. Vernon Forrest (2002)...12 Rounds at Welterweight.

[harrygreb]

ray is a supreme boxer/puncher, nunn is a very good boxer who did not punch hard enough to elevate him into leonards echelon. ray knows too much for him and nunn is lucky to make it to the end of 12 without touching the deck.

cuevas finds it tough going against forrest who keeps to his boxing and gradually wears pipino down for a late TKO. in fact the ref calls a halt to proceedings with only 30 seconds to go but such was the frequency and ease of shot that forrest was dishing out to the flagging cuevas....

forrest TKO 12

interesting british - and leicestershire - middleweight dust up;

chris pyatt v tony sibson

[Goodnight, Irene]

Two good ole boys who'd give it what they had, for sure. Sibson on points for mine. Plenty of feeling in this one

Harry Greb sets his sights on the Cruiserweight Evander Holyfield, who has just stopped Dwight Qawi. Fifteen rounds at 190...

[allworld80]

Holyfield uses his physical advantage to score the decision. Not that he doesn't have his rough patches, as they are almost mandatory with him. Good fight, cards read 116-112, 113-115, 115-112.

The Bubblegum Kid, Sean O'Grady, steps through the ropes with Jorge Barrios for 12 RDS @ 135

[harrygreb]

i wont post a reply to that one as i'm still reeling from getting outpointed by holyfield

[allworld80]

Is there a "Harry Greb can't lose" policy in place?

[Goodnight, Irene]

Is there a "Harry Greb can't lose" policy in place?

Why not? It just about was the case in reality

Seriously, I think Greb would do a number on a green Holyfield, too, but that's not what this thread is for. Come on opinion, come all...even Tszyu KO1 De La Hoya.

P.S. - Barrios on decision.

Main Event: 12 Rounds at MW --- 1987 Ray Leonard vs. 1991 James Toney...

Undercard: 12 Rounds at JMW --- Mike McCallum & Pernell Whitaker...

[My2Sense]

Main Event: 12 Rounds at MW --- 1987 Ray Leonard vs. 1991 James Toney...

Undercard: 12 Rounds at JMW --- Mike McCallum & Pernell Whitaker...

Leonard, coming off a layoff once again, boxes as well as he can, but he can't avoid Toney's quick inside combos forever. Eventually, Toney catches up to him to win by decision or late TKO.

McCallum has too much all around for the shorter, naturally smaller Whitaker. Although Pea makes him work, McCallum wins a clear decision.


Next up: Tony Zale (pre-war) vs. Marcel Cerdan.

[Goodnight, Irene]

My, oh my, what a thriller. Zale took the final round with a scintillating effort --- & just as well, as that round determined the winner, on a split decision, by one point. Tony Zale!

1994: Michael Moorer (35-0) foregoes George Foreman, & instead mounts his inaugural title defense against Ray Mercer (23-2)...

[vagabundo55]

My, oh my, what a thriller. Zale took the final round with a scintillating effort --- & just as well, as that round determined the winner, on a split decision, by one point. Tony Zale!

1994: Michael Moorer (35-0) foregoes George Foreman, & instead mounts his inaugural title defense against Ray Mercer (23-2)...

Moorer lures Mercer into a brawl but keeps his calm and cautiously outboxes Mercer en route to a 12 round unanimous decision in a fairly dominant performance with Moorer on shaky legs at some points in the fight. How about Ruben Olivares vs Vicente Saldivar at featherweight?

[harrygreb]

tzsyu, you misunderstand me. the reason i was reeling from the holyfield result was because, looking at your scorecard, evander evidently gave me a boxing lesson. my head was spinning from the effect of punches not the outcome.
having said that i would have had myself a points winner by a similar margin.
irene is right we can do with this hypo thing what we like.

the saldivar - olivares contest is another great fight and a close call. i have swung on either side in working this one through....i'm gonna go for ruben wins a narrow decision over vincente (15 rounds) although the referee perhaps should have stopped it in the 13th when a terrible cut opens up above rubens left eye, another gash below it in the 14th. olivares fights like a hero and stays competitive enough to remain in the fight as the last bell rings. his slim lead earned throughout the fight intact

olivares SD 15

joe bugner v jack sharkey 15 rounds heavyweight contest

[HomicideHenry]

Joe Bugner via split decision.........


Lenny McLean, vs, Kevin Ferguson (Kimbo Slice), bare knuckles, 3 minute rounds, fight to the finish rules

[Goodnight, Irene]

I'll take McLean in the ugliest bout through forty pages --- & I posted De La Hoya-Vargas II (Right now) as a fight!

Here's another watch-through-your-fingers ordeal...

Main Event: 1951 Joe Louis vs. 1981 Muhammad Ali. 12 Rounds.

Undercard: 1995 Jose Luis Lopez vs. Present Joshua Clottey. 12 rounds at 147.

[HomicideHenry]

Joe kicks Ali's ass inside of 8 rounds....

Lopez wins via decision D



Bartley Gorman, vs, Muhammad Ali, 1981, 10 rounds (marquis of queensbury)

[Robinson]

Ali TKO 1.

Ali blasts Gorman early and drops the game Gypsy.
Up again he takes another volley. Gorman is game
but the ref steps in as he takes too many un-answered
blows.

Kimbo Slice (2007) Vs Bartley Gorman (1983) 3 rounds,
London prize rules, no gloves.

[HomicideHenry]

Gorman cleans Kimbo's clock inside of 10 seconds. 8) Hey if Seth Petruzelli could do it in 14 seconds, then surely the greatest modern day bare knuckle boxer, could have done it sooner!

I dont agree with you Robinson, Ali was merely a punching bag when he fought Holmes, but whatever suits you best. We agree to disagree.


Jem Mace, vs, John L. Sullivan, Marquis of Queensbury, 45 rounds, with 3 oz mufflers (gloves), for the 'true' Heavyweight Worlds Championship

[Robinson]

Gorman cleans Kimbo's clock inside of 10 seconds. 8) Hey if Seth Petruzelli could do it in 14 seconds, then surely the greatest modern day bare knuckle boxer, could have done it sooner!

I dont agree with you Robinson, Ali was merely a punching bag when he fought Holmes, but whatever suits you best. We agree to disagree.


Jem Mace, vs, John L. Sullivan, Marquis of Queensbury, 45 rounds, with 3 oz mufflers (gloves), for the 'true' Heavyweight Worlds Championship

1980 Larry Holmes is light years ahead of any bare knuckle hero one should dream about ;)

Im going to go with a solid win with Sullivan. He manages to stop Mace in the 2oth round.
His bare swat action thumps Mace down.

Scott Frank (1983) Vs Patsy Cardiff (1887) 10 rounds

and

Donnie Long (1985) Vs Jewey Smith (1908) 10 rounds