oh well

buzz · Post by **buzz** » 29 Jun 2004, 16:32

oh well

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 29 Jun 2004, 16:35

That is actually a decent question, one of the reasons I doubted the intergrity when the story broke is because of who Danny is being promoted by. Although, given Danny's defeat by Sprott I think whatever he does will be considered a bonus, cause Skelton has taken his place as the #1 SN promoted Heavyweight.

xtremebox · Post by **xtremebox** » 29 Jun 2004, 19:38

SO WARREN HAS DELIVERED A FIGHT FOR ALL YOU LOT, WILL YOU GET OFF HIS BACK NOW? THOUGHT NOT!

WHEN IS BERNARD HOPKINS DEFENDING AGAINST EASTMAN? LONG OVERDUE THAT ONE - DON'T SEE MICK LOBBYING THE BODIES FOR HIS MAN. UMM WONDER WHY THAT IS?

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 29 Jun 2004, 20:09

xtremebox wrote:SO WARREN HAS DELIVERED A FIGHT FOR ALL YOU LOT, WILL YOU GET OFF HIS BACK NOW? THOUGHT NOT!

Hey, xtreme, how much does Frank pay you to spam the forum on his behalf? Or do you do it free, by way of some sort of bizarre charitable-donation impulse?

"Frank delivers a fight" is a real interesting way of putting it - Tyson is a freakshow but a well-paying one, and Frank seized his chance to get in on some of that action with a fighter who's been going nowhere anyway. This will mean more money in Warren's pockets than Williams would have brought in his next ten fights vs. domestic and Eurocrap-level competition like he's been fighting - Warren would be a fool not to take it. In what way, shape or form is this anything other than simple maximization of profit potential? Not that there's anything inherently bad about that, it's just that Warren *only* cares about that, and risking his more-talented cash cows in an actual world-class title fight is something he hasn't done since when - Hamed/Barrera? Frank seems to have learned his lesson from that fight all too well...

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 29 Jun 2004, 20:54

xtremebox wrote:SO WARREN HAS DELIVERED A FIGHT FOR ALL YOU LOT, WILL YOU GET OFF HIS BACK NOW? THOUGHT NOT!

WHEN IS BERNARD HOPKINS DEFENDING AGAINST EASTMAN? LONG OVERDUE THAT ONE - DON'T SEE MICK LOBBYING THE BODIES FOR HIS MAN. UMM WONDER WHY THAT IS?

Bit of an extreme comparison comparing Hopkins v Eastman to Tyson v Williams.

Hopkins is title holder Tyson isn't.

Eastman is mandatory and at least in the top 5 middleweights in the world, Williams isn't in the top 15 heavyweights in the world.

Hopkins v Eastman would be a genuine fight.

Tyson v Williams is curiosity value only.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 30 Jun 2004, 03:07

xtremebox wrote:
SO WARREN HAS DELIVERED A FIGHT FOR ALL YOU LOT, WILL YOU GET OFF HIS BACK NOW? THOUGHT NOT!

Finally, so you admit Mr Warren doesn't normally deliver the fight's

Nice one.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 30 Jun 2004, 03:11

xtremebox wrote:SO WARREN HAS DELIVERED A FIGHT FOR ALL YOU LOT, WILL YOU GET OFF HIS BACK NOW? THOUGHT NOT!

WHEN IS BERNARD HOPKINS DEFENDING AGAINST EASTMAN? LONG OVERDUE THAT ONE - DON'T SEE MICK LOBBYING THE BODIES FOR HIS MAN. UMM WONDER WHY THAT IS?

He hasn't delivered anything I'll bet, more likely Tysons camp sought out Williams. Either way, a Warren fighter going in with a big name opponent is almost unheard of and it is only because Warren has no use for Williams, if he thought Williams had a marketable future he'd be fighting Tocker Pudwill's big brother on the undercard of Hatton fights.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 30 Jun 2004, 03:50

xtremebox wrote:SO WARREN HAS DELIVERED A FIGHT FOR ALL YOU LOT, WILL YOU GET OFF HIS BACK NOW? THOUGHT NOT!

WHEN IS BERNARD HOPKINS DEFENDING AGAINST EASTMAN? LONG OVERDUE THAT ONE - DON'T SEE MICK LOBBYING THE BODIES FOR HIS MAN. UMM WONDER WHY THAT IS?

Warren didnt deliver the Tyson - Williams fight, in fact he had nothing to do with it.

If Warren asks for options on Tyson, they should tell Warren to get fucked.

Any one get a feeling of Deja Vu?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Jun 2004, 06:01

xtremebox wrote:SO WARREN HAS DELIVERED A FIGHT FOR ALL YOU LOT, WILL YOU GET OFF HIS BACK NOW? THOUGHT NOT!

WHEN IS BERNARD HOPKINS DEFENDING AGAINST EASTMAN? LONG OVERDUE THAT ONE - DON'T SEE MICK LOBBYING THE BODIES FOR HIS MAN. UMM WONDER WHY THAT IS?

What, we're supposed to be grateful that Sports Network has tossed his hat into the ring and agreed to let williams stand in for Kevin McBride, so that Tyson can earn some money, do us a favour, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

Tyson's camp needed a stand-in opponent, and Williams was available, nothing more, nothing less. allegedly, being the biggest promoter in the country was probably first on their list to be contacted.

This is hardly a superfight is it? If Williams does manage to pull off a win he will have a big but sorely faded name on his resume, big deal, it will make him some money, but the fight is pretty meaningless in terms of the heavyweight title picture. Sure, Williams might get a title shot off the back of it, but a win over Tyson says nothing about his ability to beat the other men in the division, and will say more about how far Tyson has fallen.

As for Hennessey, of course he is lobbying the boards, have you not seen the fight posters he has been running for the past few years calling out Hopkins. The difference is that Hopkins has no real desire to face Eastman, partly because Eastman isn't making enough noise in the division, and partly because he is more interested in fighting DLH and then possibly Winky, then Tito in a rematch if he gets by Mayorga. Only then maybe will Eastman get a lookin, and the fact is, none of the sanctioning bodies give a shit that Eastman is #1, they don't want to piss on Nard's chips, because they like their sanctioning fees.

Are you related to allegedly or something?

buzz · Post by **buzz** » 30 Jun 2004, 06:01

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 30 Jun 2004, 08:22

And lets not forget, he hasn't delivered it yet. Now don't get me this wrong, I want this fight to happen as much as anyone. More then anything because it'd be funny to see Danny do a Clifford Etienne against Tyson, after all his rantings about how good he is. But remember Warren has promised big name fights, and pulled out at the last minute before.

But you are correct, if Williams had any kind of future at all he would be fighting Karriem Respress on the undercard and Warren would go; "Look, he's fighting on a Tyson undercard. Can you see any other British heavyweights doing that?"

tolstoy · Post by **tolstoy** » 30 Jun 2004, 09:32

The Original Hurricane wrote:I want this fight to happen as much as anyone. More then anything because it'd be funny to see Danny do a Clifford Etienne against Tyson, after all his rantings about how good he is.

At least Etienne had real go at Tyson from the bell. Can't see Williams doing that, can you? However, I'm quite sure he'll end up the same way.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Jun 2004, 09:38

What Ettienne did was suicide, and I think he basically wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible. McGirt instructed him to try and frustrate Tyson for a couple of rounds, and he just waded in like a lunatic. As he isn't a puncher he had no hope in hell of winning that way.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 30 Jun 2004, 19:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote:What Ettienne did was suicide, and I think he basically wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible. McGirt instructed him to try and frustrate Tyson for a couple of rounds, and he just waded in like a lunatic. As he isn't a puncher he had no hope in hell of winning that way.

Quite true - Williams has got to be ultra cautious for the first couple of rounds. Try and keep Tyson away with a jab don't let him near you. The last two times he was extended beyond 2 rounds he was F'd after the 3rd.

I think "showing some balls" and going for Tyson is a bigger sign of the occasion getting to him than even freezing - cause either way he is not thinking properly. You don't come at a big puncher with poor footspeed, thats what DLH did in the rematch with Chavez and nearly paid the price for it. Williams MUST jab his head of and focus on defence for the first 3 rounds - then he has a chance.

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 30 Jun 2004, 21:42

From the days when they both were happy together......

it seems franky didnt really love mikey

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/spo ... 807694.stm

http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0, ... _8,00.html

but mikey did love franky

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858, ... 88,00.html

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 01 Jul 2004, 15:38

knockout artist wrote:
xtremebox wrote:SO WARREN HAS DELIVERED A FIGHT FOR ALL YOU LOT, WILL YOU GET OFF HIS BACK NOW? THOUGHT NOT!

WHEN IS BERNARD HOPKINS DEFENDING AGAINST EASTMAN? LONG OVERDUE THAT ONE - DON'T SEE MICK LOBBYING THE BODIES FOR HIS MAN. UMM WONDER WHY THAT IS?
Warren didnt deliver the Tyson - Williams fight, in fact he had nothing to do with it.

If Warren asks for options on Tyson, they should tell Warren to get fucked.

Any one get a feeling of Deja Vu?

hahah warren asking for options on tyson.

i would actually love him to do that just to see what they'd say.

imagine tyson signing for warren. First fight vs Augustin Ngou. Warren gets tyson a WBU shot vs Kandelaki! Tyson overjoyed he can win a 'world' title, now he needs to defend it vs Tomasz Bonin, followed by a rejuvenated Richel Hersisia fresh off three back to back wins against Paul Bonson. Tyson says he's ready for a really big fight this time and is frustrated they aren't materialising. Up pops Ratko Draskovic, with a wonderful record of 30-5. A real veteran with big fight nous and a string of 'wins'.

Ah, the comedy.

AlexY2K4 · Post by **AlexY2K4** » 01 Jul 2004, 17:56

Riddick Blowe wrote:
knockout artist wrote:
xtremebox wrote:SO WARREN HAS DELIVERED A FIGHT FOR ALL YOU LOT, WILL YOU GET OFF HIS BACK NOW? THOUGHT NOT!

WHEN IS BERNARD HOPKINS DEFENDING AGAINST EASTMAN? LONG OVERDUE THAT ONE - DON'T SEE MICK LOBBYING THE BODIES FOR HIS MAN. UMM WONDER WHY THAT IS?
Warren didnt deliver the Tyson - Williams fight, in fact he had nothing to do with it.

If Warren asks for options on Tyson, they should tell Warren to get fucked.

Any one get a feeling of Deja Vu?
hahah warren asking for options on tyson.

i would actually love him to do that just to see what they'd say.

imagine tyson signing for warren. First fight vs Augustin Ngou. Warren gets tyson a WBU shot vs Kandelaki! Tyson overjoyed he can win a 'world' title, now he needs to defend it vs Tomasz Bonin, followed by a rejuvenated Richel Hersisia fresh off three back to back wins against Paul Bonson. Tyson says he's ready for a really big fight this time and is frustrated they aren't materialising. Up pops Ratko Draskovic, with a wonderful record of 30-5. A real veteran with big fight nous and a string of 'wins'.

Ah, the comedy.

Lol, yeah! And Warren will say that Tyson is still learning and will get the big fights when he's ready. He will say something along the lines of:

"Well, we tried to get him a fight with Vitali Klitschko, who is the current WBC champ, we got in touch with his people and they were asking for too much money. They aren't interested. But anyway, Mike's only 38, he hasn't even reached his prime yet, he's a kid, he's still learning, and when the time is right, I will deliver the big fights for him."

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 01 Jul 2004, 18:23

Eric the Viking wrote:Warren *only* cares about that, and risking his more-talented cash cows in an actual world-class title fight is something he hasn't done since when - Hamed/Barrera? Frank seems to have learned his lesson from that fight all too well...

he didn't promote hamed when he fought barrera. hamed left warren after the wayne mccullough fight in october 1998.