Classic American West Coast Boxing

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VOdFdsYb8c

Jerry Quarry vs Mac Foster

Brutal ko!!

[Rick Farris]

Rick, do you remember Victor De La Cruz from the Santa Barbara area?

Victor de la Cruz

Country USA
Global Id 64460
Division Lightweight


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1978-07-13 Reynaldo Zaragoza Vallejo, USA L KO 2
1977-05-20 Rogelio Castaneda San Diego, USA L KO 4
1976-11-06 Jose Talamantez San Francisco, USA L KO 8
1976-06-09 Harvey Arnold Incline Village, USA L TKO 7
1976-05-03 Bonnie Necessario Stockton, USA W KO 8
1976-03-06 Freddy Mason Accra, Ghana L TKO 4
1975-11-19 Basilio Onate San Diego, USA L PTS 6
1975-10-20 Al Ford Edmonton, Canada L PTS 10
1975-06-17 Maurice Watkins San Jose, USA L UD 10
1975-05-08 Bobby Larsen Los Angeles, USA D PTS 6
1975-04-17 Arturo Frias Los Angeles, USA L PTS 6
1975-04-11 Basilio Onate San Diego, USA W PTS 5
1975-03-27 Bobby Larsen Los Angeles, USA D PTS 6
1975-01-31 Javier Muniz San Diego, USA L KO 4
1975-01-23 Guillermo Gonzalez San Diego, USA W KO 1
1975-01-17 Tommy Nava San Diego, USA W KO 2
1974-12-13 Pedro Hernandez San Diego, USA W PTS 4
1974-12-06 Pedro Hernandez San Diego, USA W PTS 4
1974-10-10 Carlos Barragan Vasquez Los Angeles, USA L KO 5
1974-10-03 Armando Cordova Los Angeles, USA D PTS 6
1974-09-21 Luis Ocampo Santa Maria, USA W PTS 5
1974-08-27 Carmelo Cruz Santa Maria, USA D PTS 5

Record to Date
Won 7 (KOs 3) Lost 11 Drawn 4 Total 22

Yes. Saw him fight Art Frias early in Art's pro career. We had a couple of common opponents, Tommy Nava and Armando Cordova.

-Rick

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9nBT0xXV2o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-nRrlzOSAo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VOdFdsYb8c

Jerry Quarry vs Mac Foster

Brutal ko!!

Classic Jerry Quarry! When Jerry was at his best he was beautiful to watch. He was a great boxer and a devistating puncher. I remember this bout took place nearly three weeks after my pro debut. At the time, he and his long time manager (and mine), Johnnie Flores, had split. Johnnie still held half of his contract, but the two no longer worked together. I coud tell when Jerry was right, he had fun in the ring. In the final round, Jerry was on auto pilot, and Mac Foster would soon be ruined. Foster was never the same.

Ironically, less than six months after losing to Quarry, Mac Foster would sign on with Jonnie Flores and join our stable. Johnnie would turn myself and Mac Foster over to Dwight Hawkins as our trainer. At the same time, Johnnie added another top ranked featherweight to his stable, Portland's Richie "Sweet" Sue. I'd box with Sue at the Main Street Gym, along with Felipe Torres while training for my prelim to the Ken Buchanan-Ruben Navarro Lightweight title fight at the Forum.

-Rick Farris

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YOUNGSTOWN PRIDE: TONY JANIRO
By Jim Amato


With Youngstown’s Kelly Pavik set to defend his middleweight title Saturday night in his hometown. I thought I’d mention another great Youngstown middleweight from days gone by.

Tony Janiro…

This article was a long time coming. Over the years through my friends in the Youngstown area I have learned a lot about the rich boxing history in that region. I was familiar with Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini but I knew little about his dad Lenny Mancini who passed on the “Boom Boom” moniker to his son. I knew about hard hitting Harry Arroyo and the murderous body punching of Jeff Lampkin. I was even able to witness live the tremendous boxing talent of Greg Richardson.

Through my friends I became aware of very special fighters of yesteryear like Tommy Bell, Red D’Amato and Sonny Horne. So many more that I could mention. One fighter I heard quite a bit about was a smooth boxing contender who as they say, “put Asses in the seats”. He fought in an era when a multitude of rugged contenders roamed the ratings. He met the best of them and had quite a career. His name was Tony Janiro.

Janiro turned professional in 1943 at the tender age of 16. He won his first 23 bouts until meeting defeat against tough Al Guido. Tony then went on a 16-fight win streak including a rematch victory over Guido. In 1945 he lost two out of three verdicts to popular Canadian Johnny Greco. Still Janiro was winning more the he lost as he climbed in the ratings. In 1947 he scored a big decision win over Tony Pellone. Janiro then notched one of his best wins when he halted the great Beau Jack in four.

A few months later Jake LaMotta proved too strong for Tony and won the decision. The year 1948 was a rough one as Tony lost to Laverne Roach and a return with Beau Jack. He also drew with Lou Valles. In 1949 he lost to Henry Hall and then he was defeated by one of the best middleweights in the world, Rocky Castellani. The resiliant Janiro bounced back with a win over clever Charley Fusari. Tony then drew with the “Rock” himself, Rocky Graziano. Tony lost a return to Graziano and later lost to the marvelous Kid Gavilan.

Tony continued to meet top shelf opposition in 1951. He lost to Fritzie Pruden but defeated Fusari again. He then lost to the always-troublesome Laurent Dauthuille. Then came a controversial KO loss in the tenth round of his third meeting with Graziano. Tony was then stopped in a return match with Gavilan. Tony’s career ended in 1952 with a knockout loss to Charles Humez.

Tony Janiro won 80 of 97 fights. He met four world champions and three others who challenged for a crown. That’s not to mention the several top contenders he tangled with.Tony Janiro surely added to the great pride and lore of boxing in Youngstown and it’s surrounding area.

For those who live in Youngstown, Ohio in an unusual move, Top Rank will open the final press conference to the public. Doors at the Chevrolet Center will open to the public at 11AM with the news conference beginning at noon. Pavlik, Rubio and Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum will be on hand. There is no charge for entry. Pavlik and Rubio collide Saturday on pay-per-view.

I was never thrilled with the way Tony Janiros fight with Jake Lamotta was portrayed in "Raging Bull".
They had Jake destroying the kid.
My thoughts are that it was more competitive than that.
This article mentions Jeff Lampkin.I fought on the same card with him.That guy could bang.

Hey Brian, is Jeff Lampkin related to Ray, brothers?

-Rick

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Paddy DeMarco

[Rick Farris]

The Blue Palm Cafe. Hap's memories are priceless.

-Rick Farris

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Paddy DeMarco

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Jake LaMotta vs Irish Bob Murphy

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Ol' Town San Diego

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Tell me about Paddy DeMarco and Cisco Andrade, kikibalt?

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Tell me about Paddy DeMarco and Cisco Andrade, kikibalt?

Elmer, I only knew Paddy DeMarco from watching him fight on TV, he was known as "Billygoat" and he fought like one, not pretty to watch to say the least, he beat some good fighters along the way but, he also lost to them, he did become champ though in a tough era, you can't ask for more then that.

Paddy DeMarco

Alias Billygoat
Country USA
Global Id 12836
Birthplace Brooklyn, NY
Division Lightweight
Born 1928-02-10
Died 1997-12-13
Stance Orthodox
Height 168cm


Career Record © www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1959-11-03 Benny Medina Fresno, USA L TKO 7
1959-10-20 Stan Harrington Honolulu, USA L PTS 10
1959-09-14 David Cervantes Ciudad Juarez, Mexico L PTS 10
1959-09-03 Denny Moyer Portland, USA L TKO 10
1959-08-11 Tommy Garrow Pittsfield, USA W MD 10
1959-07-25 Tony Dupas Alexandria, USA L UD 10
1959-05-09 Florentino Fernandez Havana, Cuba L TKO 4
1959-02-10 Johnny Gonsalves Oakland, USA L UD 10
1958-12-29 Lionel Butler Providence, USA W TKO 10
1957-03-28 Mickey Crawford Saginaw, USA L PTS 10
1957-02-18 Stefan Redl New York, USA L UD 10
1956-11-12 Larry Boardman Philadelphia, USA L UD 10
1956-08-21 Jimmy Ford Miami Beach, USA W SD 10
1956-07-17 Pat Mallane Bridgeport, USA D PTS 10
1956-02-02 Don Jordan Los Angeles, USA L TKO 5
1956-01-09 Jackie Blair Providence, USA W UD 10
1955-11-02 Frankie Ryff Baltimore, USA L UD 10
1955-10-03 Kenny Lane New York, USA W SD 10
1955-07-11 Ralph Dupas New Orleans, USA L UD 10
1955-05-16 Libby Manzo New York, USA W SD 10
1955-03-28 Libby Manzo New York, USA W MD 10
1955-01-31 Seraphin Ferrer Paris, France L KO 5
1954-11-17 Jimmy Carter San Francisco, USA L TKO 15
1954-03-05 Jimmy Carter New York, USA W UD 15
1954-01-02 Ralph Dupas New Orleans, USA W SD 10
1953-12-07 Carlos Chavez Brooklyn, USA W PTS 10
1953-10-10 Tony DeMarco Boston, USA L SD 10
1953-09-21 Orlando Zulueta Brooklyn, USA L SD 10
1953-05-16 Johnny Gonsalves Boston, USA L SD 10
1953-04-27 Armand Savoie Montreal, Canada W UD 10
1953-03-14 Henry Davis Boston, USA W UD 10
1953-02-20 George Araujo New York, USA L SD 10
1952-11-21 Henry Davis New York, USA W UD 10
1952-10-27 Orlando Zulueta Brooklyn, USA L MD 10
1952-05-26 Arthur King Brooklyn, USA L UD 10
1952-04-21 Johnny Gonsalves San Francisco, USA W PTS 10
1952-01-17 Eddie Chavez San Francisco, USA D TD 4
1951-12-07 Sandy Saddler New York, USA W SD 10
1951-11-16 Eddie Chavez New York, USA W UD 10
1951-09-24 Enrique Bolanos Chicago, USA W UD 10
1951-08-27 Sandy Saddler Milwaukee, USA W SD 10
1951-06-25 Arthur King Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1951-06-01 Eddie Giosa New York, USA W UD 10
1951-05-10 Jimmy Richmond Brooklyn, USA W TKO 3
1951-04-09 Harry LaSane Holyoke, USA W UD 10
1950-10-11 Joey Scarlotta New York, USA W UD 10
1950-09-30 Doug Medley Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1950-08-28 Young Junior Brooklyn, USA W UD 8
1950-08-18 Kid Dussart Long Beach, USA W UD 10
1950-08-02 Teddy Davis Norwalk, USA L PTS 10
1950-06-22 Ray Edwards Woodhaven, Queens, USA W PTS 8
1950-06-05 Reuben Davis Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1950-04-28 Dennis Pat Brady New York, USA W SD 10
1950-04-15 Eduardo Carrasco Waterbury, USA W PTS 8
1950-04-03 Charley Cabey Lewis Newark, USA W PTS 8
1950-02-01 Orlando Zulueta New York, USA W UD 10
1949-12-22 Teddy Davis Brooklyn, USA W UD 8
1949-10-28 Sandy Saddler New York, USA L TKO 9
1949-10-03 Jackie Weber Providence, USA W UD 10
1949-09-21 Humberto Sierra Miami, USA W PTS 10
1949-06-06 Clem Custer Brooklyn, USA W UD 8
1949-05-17 Clem Custer Hartford, USA D PTS 10
1949-04-11 Chuck Burton Holyoke, USA W PTS 10
1949-03-14 Jimmy Collins Philadelphia, USA W PTS 10
1949-03-04 Billy Graham New York, USA W UD 10
1949-02-21 Chuck Burton Trenton, USA W PTS 8
1949-02-02 Humberto Sierra New York, USA W UD 10
1948-11-01 Bernie Bernard Brooklyn, USA W UD 8
1948-10-14 Paulie Jackson Sunnyside, Queens, USA W UD 8
1948-09-10 Willie Pep New York, USA L UD 10
1948-06-21 Paulie Jackson Brooklyn, USA W PTS 10
1948-04-02 Terry Young New York, USA W SD 10
1948-01-30 Terry Young New York, USA W SD 8
1948-01-20 Roy Andrews Sunnyside, Queens, USA W UD 8
1947-12-08 Joey Carkido New York, USA W TKO 7
1947-11-11 Johnny Dell Sunnyside, Queens, USA W PTS 8
1947-10-17 Danny Bartfield New York, USA W UD 10
1947-10-01 Tommy Mills Jamaica, Queens, USA W PTS 8
1947-08-19 Humberto Zavala Brooklyn, USA W UD 8
1947-07-23 Jimmy Warren Brooklyn, USA W KO 6
1947-06-16 Billy Strauss Long Island City, Queens, W PTS 8
1947-05-20 Bobby Williams Sunnyside, Queens, USA W PTS 8
1947-04-29 Patsy Giovanelli Sunnyside, Queens, USA W PTS 8
1947-04-08 Joe Carney Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1947-03-04 Mike Konnors Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1947-02-18 Pedro Biesca Brooklyn, USA W PTS 8
1947-01-17 Joe Holmes New York, USA W PTS 6
1946-12-23 Danny Randy Brooklyn, USA W PTS 6
1946-12-03 Davey Cohen Brooklyn, USA W PTS 6
1946-09-30 Donald Murray New York, USA W PTS 6
1946-06-28 Donald Murray New York, USA W PTS 4
1946-05-11 Gaby Ferland Brooklyn, USA L PTS 6
1946-04-11 Zack Taylor New Brunswick, USA W PTS 6
1946-03-30 Gunnar Larsen Brooklyn, USA W PTS 6
1946-03-12 Johnny Phillips Brooklyn, USA W PTS 6
1946-03-02 Everett Chapman Brooklyn, USA W PTS 4
1946-02-16 Marty Bell Brooklyn, USA W KO 4
1945-11-13 Joey Fernandez Jersey City, USA W PTS 6
1945-10-01 Butch Charles Newark, USA L PTS 6
1945-09-25 Jimmy Mason Jersey City, USA W KO 4
1945-07-09 Oscar Williams Newark, USA W PTS 6
1945-06-18 Al Victoria Newark, USA W KO 1
1945-05-09 Jimmy Gause Jersey City, USA W KO 4
1945-03-20 Sal Giglio Jersey City, USA W PTS 4

Record to Date
Won 75 (KOs 8) Lost 26 Drawn 3 Total 104

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Curtis "Hatchet Man" Sheppard vs Lloyd marshall

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BASURALANDIA

I hadn't been up there in a long time. Not since I was living in Tijuana 30 or so years ago. I don't know what compelled me to drive up there. It was about 3 months agp. I was in that part of Tijuana by the Boulevard. I had a hard time finding it.I had to ask directions and drive around dirt roads to find it. It's way in the back on the outskirts. Tijuaneros call the place Basuralandia. Trash Land in English. I think it's an official Colonia. Even has an official name. I'm not sure.

Basuralandia is Tijuana's dump. People live off that dump. It's their world.Many of the people there are dying of AIDS,TB,and gangrene. Everything in that trash they try to make use of. Cardboard boxes, empty paint cans,greasy clothes,garbage. They make their houses and eat their food from the trash people throw away in Tijuana. People in Tijuana don't throw things away like they do in parts of San Diego. Some people here throw away antiques and microwaves that piss them off because the light doesn't come on anymore when they open the door.

About ten years ago I was watching the local news on TV. They were doing a piece on Basuralandia. The plight of those people. The people there wanted the city to build them a school so their kids could learn to read and write. Yoko Ono,the late John Lennon's wife, was in the studio promoting a rock concert for her son. When she saw the piece on Basuralandia, she wrote a check for 6 thousand dollars so they could have a school.

Mother Teresa opened a mission there. The old Saint would live there with the people and do her work. I'd see her once in a while at the penatentiary visiting the sick prisoners who didn't get visitors because they had no one.

Yeh,I don't know what made me go up there.Maybe I needed to know that there are billions of people in this world that are suffering. Not just to read it in the papers or see it on the news.

I watched the stooped shoulders sifting through the rubbish. Slowly picking and sifting. Their bodies silohuetted against the gray sky. All that overlooked the city.I wanted to see that I guess.

You guys know Bruce. Bobbin' and Weavin'. He emailed me the other day. His church constructs houses for needy people. He wants to set up a base of operations in San Diego and perhaps make connections to cross the border to make some houses in Tijuana.

I gave Bruce a number to call. I hope he can put things together. If he does ,I want him to give me a jingle.I'd like to help.

Bruce,if that happens and you're looking for some place to go ,I can always steer you to Basuralandia.

Roger thanks, I'll put you on the list, we are in the process of planning this years trip that will be June 14 to June 20. On my way I will detour to Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo to see my daughter graduate from college on the 13th, Then off to guilde a group of teens through their community service work. Two years ago we took a group of 60 teens and 20 adults to Tijuana to build houses, I was stunned at the poverty but more than that I got caught by one of the teens with tears rolling down my face because I got caught up in a "what if" moment. You see my wifes parents were raised in Mexico in poverty but left in 1954, they have always treated me like gold and they gave me the best thing that ever happen to me and my moment of "what if" was what if they never left and my wife would have been raised in one of the places similar to where we were working.

Bruce

Bruce
June 14-20 would be perfect for me. I'm out of school and it's the week prior to our trip to Spain. Keep me informed Rog

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Carlos Chavez

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Guys . . . I just wrote what was probably the best boxing story I've ever written. It didn't start out that way, but as I wrote a post relating to an LA memory, I started to develop it, and things just kinda flowed, which is a good thing for a writer. It took me about three hours, the last half hour just editing. When I hit the "submit" button, the page disappeared and the notice came that my web page for our thread had expired. I paniced, trying to save the story, but it was lost. It happened years before to me when I was posting on the CBZ, but this was really special. I know better than to write something here, and should have done it off line, and then posted it. Damn, I think you guys would have liked it, it was something I would use in the future.

Oh well, that's life . . .

-Rick

Rick

Sorry to say this but you have to learn the hard way. Its like you forever telling a novice fighter to keeps his hands up and he still drops them. Hit him hard on the jaw a couple of times he will learn pretty fast. Sometimes as they say you have to be cruel to be kind. I have done it many times in the past Rick but now if on line i save at regular intervals, so at least i don't have to start all over again.
Thank for the welcome Rick

Now who else have i not Thanked Ahhhhhhhhh Frank, Bennie, and Roger -- Cheers
If i missed anyone buy yourself a beer on me and ask the barmen to put it on my tab

Rick
I used to run into the same problem with the web page expiring. My suggestion is if you're writng a long piece,post it unedited. The hit the edit space and go back and touch up.

Take a breath and try to re post your story. I've done that more than once. Usually turns out better. Rog

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POP POP POP

The Arena 72 was just north of Aguas Caliente Boulevard near the race track. It was built in 1972 so it got its name. The bigger fights were held at the Municipal Auditorium or the downtown bullring. One thing all three venues had in common:the opponent was going to fight in their house. The out of towner,or the foreigner. You were in TJ now. You had to be ready or else.

I loved the atmosphere at the Olympic ,San Diego's Coliseum,the ball parks. If it was Mexican fighters, the fans in the stands were at one with the fighters. But in Mexico ,you were in their house. Don't pull any of this "in the U.S. we do it this way."

Whether it was the fights or ,for example a Vicente Fernandez concert,once you left the arena here in the
states it was back to "Gringolandia". In Mexico you were saturated "puro Mexicano." The feel never left you once you left the arena. The smell of the Mexican diesel,the manteca crackling, the smoke from the fires that burned the trash in the colonias. The taco carts with their vats of horchata and jamaica.The packs dogs running through the crowd's feet. The dirt lots. The aficianados were in their element. Come and enjoy what it's like at the fights,but we don't want your suggestions. We do it the same way. Put on the gloves in the ring. The photographers flashing the bulbs of their cameras at the fighters and the referee. The dead rattlesnake and the bloody woman's underpants being tossed around. The cops standing there doing nothing. Don't correct us. Asi es.

I'm not going to talk about a particular fight. Whether it was in the tiny Arena 72 or outdoors in the bullring.The chifles inundating the air. There would be firecrackers going off. I can smell the sulfur from those cuetes now.

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Carlos Chavez

Baby Vasquez and Carlos Chavez. There are many many more names. Those are the faces of the Mexican fighter.

[Rick Farris]

Guys . . . I just wrote what was probably the best boxing story I've ever written. It didn't start out that way, but as I wrote a post relating to an LA memory, I started to develop it, and things just kinda flowed, which is a good thing for a writer. It took me about three hours, the last half hour just editing. When I hit the "submit" button, the page disappeared and the notice came that my web page for our thread had expired. I paniced, trying to save the story, but it was lost. It happened years before to me when I was posting on the CBZ, but this was really special. I know better than to write something here, and should have done it off line, and then posted it. Damn, I think you guys would have liked it, it was something I would use in the future.

Oh well, that's life . . .

-Rick

Rick

Sorry to say this but you have to learn the hard way. Its like you forever telling a novice fighter to keeps his hands up and he still drops them. Hit him hard on the jaw a couple of times he will learn pretty fast. Sometimes as they say you have to be cruel to be kind. I have done it many times in the past Rick but now if on line i save at regular intervals, so at least i don't have to start all over again.
Thank for the welcome Rick

Now who else have i not Thanked Ahhhhhhhhh Frank, Bennie, and Roger -- Cheers
If i missed anyone buy yourself a beer on me and ask the barmen to put it on my tab

Rick
I used to run into the same problem with the web page expiring. My suggestion is if you're writng a long piece,post it unedited. The hit the edit space and go back and touch up.

Take a breath and try to re post your story. I've done that more than once. Usually turns out better. Rog

Thanks Rog. Good advice.

[Rick Farris]

Carlos Chavez

Baby Vasquez and Carlos Chavez. There are many many more names. Those are the faces of the Mexican fighter.

Rog . . . This is a guy who fought everybody during his seventeen year career. A glance at his record reads like a "who's who" of the true Golden Era of L.A. boxing. He fought from the late 30's-to-mid-50's. Chavez was uncle to another former featherweight contender, referee Vince Delgado. I think Chavez was an ELA fighter. At the age of 68, Carlos Chavez was killed in a street fight in L.A.

-Rick Farris

[Randyman]

Rachel, mid-1950's

Frank your sister Rachel is a knockout!
Still keeping her in our prayers.
How is she doing?

Randy

[Rick Farris]

Rachel, mid-1950's

Frank your sister Rachel is a knockout!
Still keeping her in our prayers.
How is she doing?

Randy

I agree, Randy. She is very beautiful & in our prayers.

[Randyman]

POP POP POP

The Arena 72 was just north of Aguas Caliente Boulevard near the race track. It was built in 1972 so it got its name. The bigger fights were held at the Municipal Auditorium or the downtown bullring. One thing all three venues had in common:the opponent was going to fight in their house. The out of towner,or the foreigner. You were in TJ now. You had to be ready or else.

I loved the atmosphere at the Olympic ,San Diego's Coliseum,the ball parks. If it was Mexican fighters, the fans in the stands were at one with the fighters. But in Mexico ,you were in their house. Don't pull any of this "in the U.S. we do it this way."

Whether it was the fights or ,for example a Vicente Fernandez concert,once you left the arena here in the
states it was back to "Gringolandia". In Mexico you were saturated "puro Mexicano." The feel never left you once you left the arena. The smell of the Mexican diesel,the manteca crackling, the smoke from the fires that burned the trash in the colonias. The taco carts with their vats of horchata and jamaica.The packs dogs running through the crowd's feet. The dirt lots. The aficianados were in their element. Come and enjoy what it's like at the fights,but we don't want your suggestions. We do it the same way. Put on the gloves in the ring. The photographers flashing the bulbs of their cameras at the fighters and the referee. The dead rattlesnake and the bloody woman's underpants being tossed around. The cops standing there doing nothing. Don't correct us. Asi es.

I'm not going to talk about a particular fight. Whether it was in the tiny Arena 72 or outdoors in the bullring.The chifles inundating the air. There would be firecrackers going off. I can smell the smoke from those cuetes now.

Great writing, as usual Rog. All of you guys have doing some great writing lately. I posted thisone on my site. Great, great writing.

Randy