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Randyman wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:POP POP POP

The Arena 72 was just north of Aguas Caliente Boulevard near the race track. It was built in 1972 so it got its name. The bigger fights were held at the Municipal Auditorium or the downtown bullring. One thing all three venues had in common:the opponent was going to fight in their house. The out of towner,or the foreigner. You were in TJ now. You had to be ready or else.

I loved the atmosphere at the Olympic ,San Diego's Coliseum,the ball parks. If it was Mexican fighters, the fans in the stands were at one with the fighters. But in Mexico ,you were in their house. Don't pull any of this "in the U.S. we do it this way."

Whether it was the fights or ,for example a Vicente Fernandez concert,once you left the arena here in the
states it was back to "Gringolandia". In Mexico you were saturated "puro Mexicano." The feel never left you once you left the arena. The smell of the Mexican diesel,the manteca crackling, the smoke from the fires that burned the trash in the colonias. The taco carts with their vats of horchata and jamaica.The packs dogs running through the crowd's feet. The dirt lots. The aficianados were in their element. Come and enjoy what it's like at the fights,but we don't want your suggestions. We do it the same way. Put on the gloves in the ring. The photographers flashing the bulbs of their cameras at the fighters and the referee. The dead rattlesnake and the bloody woman's underpants being tossed around. The cops standing there doing nothing. Don't correct us. Asi es.

I'm not going to talk about a particular fight. Whether it was in the tiny Arena 72 or outdoors in the bullring.The chifles inundating the air. There would be firecrackers going off. I can smell the smoke from those cuetes now. :TU:
Great writing, as usual Rog. All of you guys have doing some great writing lately. I posted thisone on my site. Great, great writing.

Randy :bow:
I agree, Randy. Roger's story puts you in the house.

I can smell the smoke, and hear the firecrackers. Mexican fans love a fight, and seem to always have a supply of firecrackers and cherry bombs to liven up the event. That was how it played out at the FORUM, during the George Parnassus' years.

The Nationals that crossed the borber via chartered buses provided by the legendary Greek promoter brought all the booze and explosives necessary to get them thru a ChuCho Castillo fight, or Olivares, Herrera, Napoles, Zarate, etc.

In '68, the brand new Forum exploded when ChuCho Castillo dropped a close split decision to champ Lionel Rose. After the controversial title fight, Dwight Hawkins and Mexican Fernando Sotelo were in the third round of their ten round bout when the Forum was suddenly a smoke filled disaster in the making. Cushioned seats were sliced open and the cotton inside set afire. Bottles were hurled from high above, many striking fans in the lower seats.

The Hawkins-Sotelo match was stopped and both fighters led out of the ring by security. My friends and I headed for the lower dressing room exit. Veteran trainer, Canto Robledo, who was blind and seperated from his guide, tried to find his way to safety. I was with my heavyweight friend Kit Boursse' and Ruben Navarro. Ruben grabbed Canto by the arm and dragged him thru the crowd to the floor exit. We headed up the ramp to the parking lot, where a Cadillac owned by Parnassus' attorney, Paul Caruso, was being tipped over by rioting Mexicans. They were having a good time.

I thought to myself, this was the first riot I've ever seen that didn't involve a member of the Quarry family. The Quarry's never brought fireworks, they brought their women. With all respect to the below-the-border Hell Raisers, they had nothing on Ma Quarry. She was really tough! :TU:


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Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:YOUNGSTOWN PRIDE: TONY JANIRO
By Jim Amato

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With Youngstown’s Kelly Pavik set to defend his middleweight title Saturday night in his hometown. I thought I’d mention another great Youngstown middleweight from days gone by.

Tony Janiro…

This article was a long time coming. Over the years through my friends in the Youngstown area I have learned a lot about the rich boxing history in that region. I was familiar with Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini but I knew little about his dad Lenny Mancini who passed on the “Boom Boom” moniker to his son. I knew about hard hitting Harry Arroyo and the murderous body punching of Jeff Lampkin. I was even able to witness live the tremendous boxing talent of Greg Richardson.

Through my friends I became aware of very special fighters of yesteryear like Tommy Bell, Red D’Amato and Sonny Horne. So many more that I could mention. One fighter I heard quite a bit about was a smooth boxing contender who as they say, “put Asses in the seats”. He fought in an era when a multitude of rugged contenders roamed the ratings. He met the best of them and had quite a career. His name was Tony Janiro.

Janiro turned professional in 1943 at the tender age of 16. He won his first 23 bouts until meeting defeat against tough Al Guido. Tony then went on a 16-fight win streak including a rematch victory over Guido. In 1945 he lost two out of three verdicts to popular Canadian Johnny Greco. Still Janiro was winning more the he lost as he climbed in the ratings. In 1947 he scored a big decision win over Tony Pellone. Janiro then notched one of his best wins when he halted the great Beau Jack in four.

A few months later Jake LaMotta proved too strong for Tony and won the decision. The year 1948 was a rough one as Tony lost to Laverne Roach and a return with Beau Jack. He also drew with Lou Valles. In 1949 he lost to Henry Hall and then he was defeated by one of the best middleweights in the world, Rocky Castellani. The resiliant Janiro bounced back with a win over clever Charley Fusari. Tony then drew with the “Rock” himself, Rocky Graziano. Tony lost a return to Graziano and later lost to the marvelous Kid Gavilan.

Tony continued to meet top shelf opposition in 1951. He lost to Fritzie Pruden but defeated Fusari again. He then lost to the always-troublesome Laurent Dauthuille. Then came a controversial KO loss in the tenth round of his third meeting with Graziano. Tony was then stopped in a return match with Gavilan. Tony’s career ended in 1952 with a knockout loss to Charles Humez.

Tony Janiro won 80 of 97 fights. He met four world champions and three others who challenged for a crown. That’s not to mention the several top contenders he tangled with.Tony Janiro surely added to the great pride and lore of boxing in Youngstown and it’s surrounding area.

For those who live in Youngstown, Ohio in an unusual move, Top Rank will open the final press conference to the public. Doors at the Chevrolet Center will open to the public at 11AM with the news conference beginning at noon. Pavlik, Rubio and Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum will be on hand. There is no charge for entry. Pavlik and Rubio collide Saturday on pay-per-view.

I was never thrilled with the way Tony Janiros fight with Jake Lamotta was portrayed in "Raging Bull".
They had Jake destroying the kid.
My thoughts are that it was more competitive than that.
This article mentions Jeff Lampkin.I fought on the same card with him.That guy could bang.

Hey Brian, is Jeff Lampkin related to Ray, brothers?

-Rick
Not quite sure if they are related or not Rick.
They are from the same neck of the woods I think , so its quite possible.
One thing I remember about that fight of Jeffs that night.
His opponent Rodney Green walking into the dressing room after the fight and saying "damn man, I got my ass kicked" I remember thinking its not every day we hear such candid instrospection from a pugilist.
It was really quite refreshing. :D
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Dago,

I fought at the Arena 72 on August 26 of 1974 to a sold out crowd. My opponent was Clemente Muzino. I think the arena held about 8,000 people. Anyway, the people got angry at me because the fight ended so soon. I hit him with my liver punch and double up to the chin in the second round and that ended it. He was a hard puncher and I didn't want to give him any chances to get me so I finished him off fast. There was alot of controversy about that fight. They claimed I gave him a head butt in the first round. According to some people they said it made it easy for me to beat him. But that's to be expected in Mexico. Muzino was from Mexico City and was one of the top lightweights in the country of Mexico. I was considered an outsider. This is the only time I ever fought in Tijuana.

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Randyman wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:POP POP POP

The Arena 72 was just north of Aguas Caliente Boulevard near the race track. It was built in 1972 so it got its name. The bigger fights were held at the Municipal Auditorium or the downtown bullring. One thing all three venues had in common:the opponent was going to fight in their house. The out of towner,or the foreigner. You were in TJ now. You had to be ready or else.

I loved the atmosphere at the Olympic ,San Diego's Coliseum,the ball parks. If it was Mexican fighters, the fans in the stands were at one with the fighters. But in Mexico ,you were in their house. Don't pull any of this "in the U.S. we do it this way."

Whether it was the fights or ,for example a Vicente Fernandez concert,once you left the arena here in the
states it was back to "Gringolandia". In Mexico you were saturated "puro Mexicano." The feel never left you once you left the arena. The smell of the Mexican diesel,the manteca crackling, the smoke from the fires that burned the trash in the colonias. The taco carts with their vats of horchata and jamaica.The packs dogs running through the crowd's feet. The dirt lots. The aficianados were in their element. Come and enjoy what it's like at the fights,but we don't want your suggestions. We do it the same way. Put on the gloves in the ring. The photographers flashing the bulbs of their cameras at the fighters and the referee. The dead rattlesnake and the bloody woman's underpants being tossed around. The cops standing there doing nothing. Don't correct us. Asi es.

I'm not going to talk about a particular fight. Whether it was in the tiny Arena 72 or outdoors in the bullring.The chifles inundating the air. There would be firecrackers going off. I can smell the smoke from those cuetes now. :TU:
Great writing, as usual Rog. All of you guys have doing some great writing lately. I posted thisone on my site. Great, great writing.

Randy :bow:
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I'm going in for eye surgery on the 27th. I want to make the lunch for the wives on the 28th. They say I can drive. Rick is going to be there with Moni. Connie and Frank. I'm bringing Maria. How 'bout you and Jeri? Rog

BTW thanks for the nice words.
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El Gato wrote:Dago,

I fought at the Arena 72 on August 26 of 1974 to a sold out crowd. My opponent was Clemente Muzino. I think the arena held about 8,000 people. Anyway, the people got angry at me because the fight ended so soon. I hit him with my liver punch and double up to the chin in the second round and that ended it. He was a hard puncher and I didn't want to give him any chances to get me so I finished him off fast. There was alot of controversy about that fight. They claimed I gave him a head butt in the first round. According to some people they said it made it easy for me to beat him. But that's to be expected in Mexico. Muzino was from Mexico City and was one of the top lightweights in the country of Mexico. I was considered an outsider. This is the only time I ever fought in Tijuana.

El Gato
We'll talk Sunday about that fight and others. I told Maria"No sabolla" :D
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Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:POP POP POP

The Arena 72 was just north of Aguas Caliente Boulevard near the race track. It was built in 1972 so it got its name. The bigger fights were held at the Municipal Auditorium or the downtown bullring. One thing all three venues had in common:the opponent was going to fight in their house. The out of towner,or the foreigner. You were in TJ now. You had to be ready or else.

I loved the atmosphere at the Olympic ,San Diego's Coliseum,the ball parks. If it was Mexican fighters, the fans in the stands were at one with the fighters. But in Mexico ,you were in their house. Don't pull any of this "in the U.S. we do it this way."

Whether it was the fights or ,for example a Vicente Fernandez concert,once you left the arena here in the
states it was back to "Gringolandia". In Mexico you were saturated "puro Mexicano." The feel never left you once you left the arena. The smell of the Mexican diesel,the manteca crackling, the smoke from the fires that burned the trash in the colonias. The taco carts with their vats of horchata and jamaica.The packs dogs running through the crowd's feet. The dirt lots. The aficianados were in their element. Come and enjoy what it's like at the fights,but we don't want your suggestions. We do it the same way. Put on the gloves in the ring. The photographers flashing the bulbs of their cameras at the fighters and the referee. The dead rattlesnake and the bloody woman's underpants being tossed around. The cops standing there doing nothing. Don't correct us. Asi es.

I'm not going to talk about a particular fight. Whether it was in the tiny Arena 72 or outdoors in the bullring.The chifles inundating the air. There would be firecrackers going off. I can smell the smoke from those cuetes now. :TU:
Great writing, as usual Rog. All of you guys have doing some great writing lately. I posted thisone on my site. Great, great writing.

Randy :bow:
I agree, Randy. Roger's story puts you in the house.

I can smell the smoke, and hear the firecrackers. Mexican fans love a fight, and seem to always have a supply of firecrackers and cherry bombs to liven up the event. That was how it played out at the FORUM, during the George Parnassus' years.

The Nationals that crossed the borber via chartered buses provided by the legendary Greek promoter brought all the booze and explosives necessary to get them thru a ChuCho Castillo fight, or Olivares, Herrera, Napoles, Zarate, etc.

In '68, the brand new Forum exploded when ChuCho Castillo dropped a close split decision to champ Lionel Rose. After the controversial title fight, Dwight Hawkins and Mexican Fernando Sotelo were in the third round of their ten round bout when the Forum was suddenly a smoke filled disaster in the making. Cushioned seats were sliced open and the cotton inside set afire. Bottles were hurled from high above, many striking fans in the lower seats.

The Hawkins-Sotelo match was stopped and both fighters led out of the ring by security. My friends and I headed for the lower dressing room exit. Veteran trainer, Canto Robledo, who was blind and seperated from his guide, tried to find his way to safety. I was with my heavyweight friend Kit Boursse' and Ruben Navarro. Ruben grabbed Canto by the arm and dragged him thru the crowd to the floor exit. We headed up the ramp to the parking lot, where a Cadillac owned by Parnassus' attorney, Paul Caruso, was being tipped over by rioting Mexicans. They were having a good time.

I thought to myself, this was the first riot I've ever seen that didn't involve a member of the Quarry family. The Quarry's never brought fireworks, they brought their women. With all respect to the below-the-border Hell Raisers, they had nothing on Ma Quarry. She was really tough! :TU:


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Correct me if I'm wrong,but I always thought the Mexican fans ,at least respected,the heart of Jerry Quarry.
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Rachel, mid-1950's
Frank your sister Rachel is a knockout! :TU:
Still keeping her in our prayers.
How is she doing?

Randy
Yeh,Frank. She certainly has the goods.She must have broken many hearts . Hope she's feeling better. Rog.
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My wife's uncle Lazaro. He sells the hot cakes during the day. In the afternoon his 14 year old daughter takes over. Lazaro sits across the street on the park bench keeping an eye on his daughter. He scares the boys away :box:

BTW Those hot cakes make your brains fall out :TU:
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Roger . . .

I've never known of anybody that didn't respect the heart of Jerry Quarry.
Two things Jerry Quarry always brought into the ring, his punch and his heart. :TU:


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kikibalt wrote:1968 L.A. Golden Gloves Champs (not '70 "Diamond Belt" as listed)

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Look to the top row, first two boxers on the left, Jimmy Robertson & Armando Muniz, in their teens.

Robertson came up at the Olympic, as an amateur, often featured in Aileen Eaton's "Youth Development Program". After traveling to the Golden Gloves Nat'ls in St. Louis with the above team, Jimmy turned pro and would become the first man to challenege newly crowned Lightweight Champ, Roberto Duran, for the title (1972). A major attraction at the Olympic Auditorium where he battled L.A. legends Ruben Navarro, Rodolfo "El Gato" Gonzalez and many more.

Our friend, Armando Muniz? No stranger to us. His history is written thruout the text of this great boxing forum.

-Rick Farris
In the top row, last boxer on right is heavyweight, "Bunky" Aikens. Bunky was a helluva amateur, and became a sparring partner for Muhammad Ali as the former champ made his comeback leading up to the first Frazier fight. In the bottom row, right below Bunky, kneels bantamweight, "Irish" Mike Flynn. I wrote about Mike Flynn awhile back. You can see Flynn is wearing a black eye, something very common on the little Irishman's face. He'd have wars at the Main St. Gym, some of them with me when I was a junior.

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I won this in '68, and a blue one in '67.
In '66, I was a runner-up & got a trophy.

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dagosd2000 wrote:
Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Rachel, mid-1950's
Frank your sister Rachel is a knockout! :TU:
Still keeping her in our prayers.
How is she doing?

Randy
Yeh,Frank. She certainly has the goods.She must have broken many hearts . Hope she's feeling better. Rog.
Randy, Rog, thank you.

Rachel is having a hard time with her chemo treatment but, she is a fighter and will give it everything she has... :bow:
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Simons Brickyard
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Courtesy of Bruce Smith

Trevor King, 78, the founder of the Westside Mission in
Sydney , NSW, Australia , was delivering food to a destitute family when
two men arrived to repossess their personal items. When one of the repo
men allegedly started pushing the lady of the house around, King
stepped forward. "This chap said, 'Get out of the way, you silly old
goat' to Trevor," homeowner Ted Ferguson said. "Trevor took him out
with one punch." Trevor King was a featherweight boxing champion --
fifty years ago -- and described the scene a bit differently. "This
fellow had a go at me so I inadvertently threw my right hand and he
collided with it," said King, who suffers from leukemia and a bad
heart. When the second repo man saw his partner go down, he repeatedly
punched King in the stomach, but when King didn't even flinch, the man
fled. (Sydney Morning Herald)
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kikibalt wrote:Courtesy of Bruce Smith

Trevor King, 78, the founder of the Westside Mission in
Sydney , NSW, Australia , was delivering food to a destitute family when
two men arrived to repossess their personal items. When one of the repo
men allegedly started pushing the lady of the house around, King
stepped forward. "This chap said, 'Get out of the way, you silly old
goat' to Trevor," homeowner Ted Ferguson said. "Trevor took him out
with one punch." Trevor King was a featherweight boxing champion --
fifty years ago -- and described the scene a bit differently. "This
fellow had a go at me so I inadvertently threw my right hand and he
collided with it," said King, who suffers from leukemia and a bad
heart. When the second repo man saw his partner go down, he repeatedly
punched King in the stomach, but when King didn't even flinch, the man
fled. (Sydney Morning Herald)
As I was reading this article the word REPOSSESS jumped out at me, In the mid-1950's a friend of mine (Coy) and I were working part time at a furniture store (Roger's Furniture..E.L.A.)) delivering and yes repossessing furniture, one night the owner send Coy and I to repossess a dining room set, we get to this house in Whittier, Ca. knock on the door, a man answered the door, I tell him we are from Roger's furniture and we are here to repossess the dining room set, he invited us in and ask if we could be kind enough to wait while they finish their dinner, I looked into the dining room and around the table were his wife and two small kids, I turn and looked at Coy and tell him "lets get out of here" we told the man "we'll be back some other day", we get back to the store and Roger asked us "Well?" I said to Roger "Roger, nobody was home"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0LQ5EXSNXI
Reuben "Hurricane" Carter vs Florentino Fernandez
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kikibalt wrote:Rick's Jr. Golden Glove jacket

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I won this in '68, and a blue one in '67.
In '66, I was a runner-up & got a trophy.

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kikibalt wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Courtesy of Bruce Smith

Trevor King, 78, the founder of the Westside Mission in
Sydney , NSW, Australia , was delivering food to a destitute family when
two men arrived to repossess their personal items. When one of the repo
men allegedly started pushing the lady of the house around, King
stepped forward. "This chap said, 'Get out of the way, you silly old
goat' to Trevor," homeowner Ted Ferguson said. "Trevor took him out
with one punch." Trevor King was a featherweight boxing champion --
fifty years ago -- and described the scene a bit differently. "This
fellow had a go at me so I inadvertently threw my right hand and he
collided with it," said King, who suffers from leukemia and a bad
heart. When the second repo man saw his partner go down, he repeatedly
punched King in the stomach, but when King didn't even flinch, the man
fled. (Sydney Morning Herald)
As I was reading this article the word REPOSSESS jumped out at me, In the mid-1950's a friend of mine (Coy) and I were working part time at a furniture store (Roger's Furniture..E.L.A.)) delivering and yes repossessing furniture, one night the owner send Coy and I to repossess a dining room set, we get to this house in Whittier, Ca. knock on the door, a man answered the door, I tell him we are from Roger's furniture and we are here to repossess the dining room set, he invited us in and ask if we could be kind enough to wait while they finish their dinner, I looked into the dining room and around the table were his wife and two small kids, I turn and looked at Coy and tell him "lets get out of here" we told the man "we'll be back some other day", we get back to the store and Roger asked us "Well?" I said to Roger "Roger, nobody was home"
Beautifull Frank. Just beautifull. I had a job working for a collection agency after I got out of college. Most of the time I'd have to go to Barrio Logan or South East San Diego. I'd see the poor families. I'd go back to the office and write on the report.
"Family returned to Mexico"
Or.
"Family returned to Alabama."
The company fired me after two weeks. I'd rather hold up a sign at the off ramp of the freeway than work that job. :lol:
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Rachel..Circa 1939
Simons Brickyard
The pictures and stories on this thread put life in its proper perspective.

Frank,I think of Rachel everyday. I ask God to take me off the set,if everyone could be happy.
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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Courtesy of Bruce Smith

Trevor King, 78, the founder of the Westside Mission in
Sydney , NSW, Australia , was delivering food to a destitute family when
two men arrived to repossess their personal items. When one of the repo
men allegedly started pushing the lady of the house around, King
stepped forward. "This chap said, 'Get out of the way, you silly old
goat' to Trevor," homeowner Ted Ferguson said. "Trevor took him out
with one punch." Trevor King was a featherweight boxing champion --
fifty years ago -- and described the scene a bit differently. "This
fellow had a go at me so I inadvertently threw my right hand and he
collided with it," said King, who suffers from leukemia and a bad
heart. When the second repo man saw his partner go down, he repeatedly
punched King in the stomach, but when King didn't even flinch, the man
fled. (Sydney Morning Herald)
As I was reading this article the word REPOSSESS jumped out at me, In the mid-1950's a friend of mine (Coy) and I were working part time at a furniture store (Roger's Furniture..E.L.A.)) delivering and yes repossessing furniture, one night the owner send Coy and I to repossess a dining room set, we get to this house in Whittier, Ca. knock on the door, a man answered the door, I tell him we are from Roger's furniture and we are here to repossess the dining room set, he invited us in and ask if we could be kind enough to wait while they finish their dinner, I looked into the dining room and around the table were his wife and two small kids, I turn and looked at Coy and tell him "lets get out of here" we told the man "we'll be back some other day", we get back to the store and Roger asked us "Well?" I said to Roger "Roger, nobody was home"
Beautifull Frank. Just beautifull. I had a job working for a collection agency after I got out of college. Most of the time I'd have to go to Barrio Logan or South East San Diego. I'd see the poor families. I'd go back to the office and write on the report.
"Family returned to Mexico"
Or.
"Family returned to Alabama."
The company fired me after two weeks. I'd rather hold up a sign at the off ramp of the freeway than work that job. :lol:
I just couldn't do, Rog, just couldn't do it...
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