Classic American West Coast Boxing

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dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Well, I'm on the way to the hospital to have the damage of 12 years of boxing removed from my nose. It will still look flattened, but I should be able to breath nicely for the first time in more than thirty years.

-Rick
Good Luck with the surgery. Don't pester the nurses :D
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Rog, the nurses were great. The surgery took place in the same hospital I was born in. The nurses are sweethearts, middle-aged, married, and two were from the Manila. When they discovered my busted nose was the result of boxing, guess who's name popped up? Manny Pac. The Filippino's love Manny, he is very kind to his people. One of the nurses told me that her cousin is close with the boxers wife, and that little Manny loves to play basketball. My nurse's American husband is a basketball coach at the Catholic High School next door to St. Joseph's Hospital in Burbank.

As a favor, the coach arranged for Manny to use the basketball courts during the off-hours. She said the high school basketball team wanted to meet the champ and joined him on the court, shooting hoops. Rose, my nurse, told me that everybody was shocked how well the 5'6" Pac-man could play.

Manny made sure everybody involved had good seats for his fight with Oscar last year. I like this fighter, but I hope he's careful with his money. He's very generous (like many boxers) and as we all know, there are people just waiting to seperate a prizefighter from his hard earned cash.

I wasn't impressed with Hatton's last win, but I have to agree with Bennie, he can win this fight. There is no dog in Ricky Hatton, and he's strong as hell, and has a lot of cultural pride himself. This is going to be a war!

May the best man win. I truly believe that the real winners of this bout will be the fans.

-Rick
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Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Best of luck Rick.
You'll be fine .Get back to us ASAP.
Let us know it went well.
Brian
Thank you, Brian. And thanks to all of you for the kind words. I'm already out of the hospital. Pretty simple. A lot less trauma than the nose surgery performed by Centavito Hernandez, Danny Lopez and a couple of others. I'll be bit uncomfortable for a day or two, and then I'll have the pleasure of experiencing a full dose Los Angeles vintage air pollution. :)

Roger's up next. Eye surgery on friday. Much more involved and I wish him the best.
I'm glad everything worked out with the surgery Rick. :TU: :TU:

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Ricky Hatton and Manny Pacquiao

Well, you more or less have to favor Manny Pacquiao but I agree, Ricky Hatton has a realistic chance to win this fight. Overall, Manny has fought the better opponents and he seems to be tireless. I can see this being a war. Hatton will be there until the end and Manny won't have to look far to find him. He'll be right there in front of him. One big difference between the two lately: While Pacquiao seems to be getting better and smarter Hatton seems to be regressing somewhat, but you know on fight night you all but throw the stats and theories out the window.

I agree Rick, the fans will be the winners. May the best man win.
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Breaking a fighter's spirit . . .

I remember this fight, Frank. I give Joe Medrano a lot of credit, he showed great heart in rising from each knockdown and continuing to fight knowing he had no chance of winning. As you pointed out, one good ass-whipping can ruin a fighter. This is one reason that we have guys that are considered "all time" greats, guys who can get such a whipping and come back and win big against a good fighter on another day.

What boxing fans don't understand is that to destroy a boxer, it isn't about breaking his body, but breaking his spirit. For example, you might remember Marco Antonio Barrera's KO loss to Junior Jones? Barrera fought him again and lost too, but not like the first time. Jones just had his number, but he didn't break Barrera's spirit. He would go on to score the biggest victories of his long career. Then you look at John "The Beast" Mugabi. 28-0 all KO's when he fought Marvin Hagler. The Beast gave his best but Hagler ruined him in later rounds. After this fight, Mugabi wasn't worth a nickle. Marvin broke his spirit.

-Rick Farris
I agree about a fighter's spirit Rick
I had seen Marco Antonio Barrera a few times during the 1990's at both The Forum and the Anaheim Pond but he didn't really get my undivided attention until he fought Kennedy McKinney at the Forum in 1996. That has to be considered his Baptism of Fire. It was a tough fight and a great win for Barrera. He really proved his mettle that night but what really got me was the prefight press conference the day before. McKinney, really underestimating Barrera started to really mouth off. He made one derogatory remark too many and Barrera popped him with a crisp right hand. It was a Kodak moment.

Though disappointed, to say the least, with Barrera's two losses to Junior Jones. it was his ability to put the losses behind him, no easy task, that really showed him to be a true champion. For Barrera the best was yet to come. Barrera had spirit (heart) in spades. He had to, coming back to fight Pacquiao, after getting stopped the way he did in the first fight. The trilogy with Erik Morales stands with best of them. The fight that made the hole world fall in love with him was his complete dismantling of the insufferable Nassem Hamed. Haven't heard from him since.

John Mugabi? A good fighter that gave one helluva performance against Marvin Hagler and never quite recovered from the beating. That's the difference between mediocrity and greatness.

Randy :box:
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Anybody watch Obama speak? Time will tell but he sounds like he means business. I was proud of him.
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Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Best of luck Rick.
You'll be fine .Get back to us ASAP.
Let us know it went well.
Brian
Thank you, Brian. And thanks to all of you for the kind words. I'm already out of the hospital. Pretty simple. A lot less trauma than the nose surgery performed by Centavito Hernandez, Danny Lopez and a couple of others. I'll be bit uncomfortable for a day or two, and then I'll have the pleasure of experiencing a full dose Los Angeles vintage air pollution. :)

Roger's up next. Eye surgery on friday. Much more involved and I wish him the best.
Yes, but I bet any surgery performed by a licensed physician would be less trauma than nose surgery performed by Centavito Hernandez or Danny Lopez. :wink: :wink: (I'm sorry - I knew what you meant, but the way you phrased it struck me as funny . . .)

All kidding aside, I'm glad your surgery went well. And Roger, hope yours goes well, too. I'll be keeping you in my prayers.
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Randyman wrote:Anybody watch Obama speak? Time will tell but he sounds like he means business. I was proud of him.
Ditto
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Rick Farris Wrote:
Breaking a fighter's spirit . . .

I remember this fight, Frank. I give Joe Medrano a lot of credit, he showed great heart in rising from each knockdown and continuing to fight knowing he had no chance of winning. As you pointed out, one good ass-whipping can ruin a fighter. This is one reason that we have guys that are considered "all time" greats, guys who can get such a whipping and come back and win big against a good fighter on another day.

What boxing fans don't understand is that to destroy a boxer, it isn't about breaking his body, but breaking his spirit. For example, you might remember Marco Antonio Barrera's KO loss to Junior Jones? Barrera fought him again and lost too, but not like the first time. Jones just had his number, but he didn't break Barrera's spirit. He would go on to score the biggest victories of his long career. Then you look at John "The Beast" Mugabi. 28-0 all KO's when he fought Marvin Hagler. The Beast gave his best but Hagler ruined him in later rounds. After this fight, Mugabi wasn't worth a nickle. Marvin broke his spirit.

-Rick Farris
I agree about a fighter's spirit Rick
I had seen Marco Antonio Barrera a few times during the 1990's at both The Forum and the Anaheim Pond but he didn't really get my undivided attention until he fought Kennedy McKinney at the Forum in 1996. That has to be considered his Baptism of Fire. It was a tough fight and a great win for Barrera. He really proved his mettle that night but what really got me was the prefight press conference the day before. McKinney, really underestimating Barrera started to really mouth off. He made one derogatory remark too many and Barrera popped him with a crisp right hand. It was a Kodak moment.

Though disappointed, to say the least, with Barrera's two losses to Junior Jones. it was his ability to put the losses behind him, no easy task, that really showed him to be a true champion. For Barrera the best was yet to come. Barrera had spirit (heart) in spades. He had to, coming back to fight Pacquiao, after getting stopped the way he did in the first fight. The trilogy with Erik Morales stands with best of them. The fight that made the hole world fall in love with him was his complete dismantling of the insufferable Nassem Hamed. Haven't heard from him since.

John Mugabi? A good fighter that gave one helluva performance against Marvin Hagler and never quite recovered from the beating. That's the difference between mediocrity and greatness.

Randy :box:
Randy . . . Your memory of Barrera's fight with Kennedy McKinney gave us a preview of things to come. Like you, my first look at Barrera was in those early 90's "Forum" bouts, some televised on Prime ticket.

However, the one fight that truly won my heart, was his one-sided whipping of the HIGHLY over rated Prince Naseem Hamed. As I watched Hamed dance his Arabic jig in front of less than quality Mexican opposition, I dreamed of him one day running into a Saldivar, Salvador Sanchez. etc. true greats from south of the border. He was no Brit in my mind, and I wanted him to see him receive a good old fashioned Mexican ass-whipping. :wink:

Marco Antonio Barrera made my wish come true! :bow:

-Rick
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Dwight "The Hawk" Hawkins & my English Grandmother, Edith Woodside- 1967.


The Power of a Grandparent . . .

This photo was taken after the high school graduation of Johnnie Flores' oldest daughter, Pat.
My Grandfather took photos of the event for the family. A few of Johnnie's boxers were close to his family. The Hawk was one of them, so was I. My grandfather used to keep Johnnie's Gym in good repair.

My favorite fighters in those days were Dwight Hawkins, Jerry Quarry (my stablemates) and Mando Ramos.

The following year, my grandad collapsed in the Johnnie Flores Gym, as Johnnie tied my boxing gloves in the ring.
His aorta had ruptured. My grandfather refused to be taken to a Hospital, so Johnnie & Rose Flores drove us home to Burbank, where he could spend his last moments with my grandmother. My Grandmother told him, "You're going to the hospital!" and she called an ambulance. He died on the operating table three times that night, but would survive in the Intensive Care unit for another three weeks before passing. He was 67. His last words were, "give Ricky my watch", a gift from director Blake Edwards. I wore that watch the night I drove to the Olympic for my first pro fight.

My Grandfather had lived a tough life as a child.
Born on Indian territory in Oklahoma, he was orphaned at age six, and eventually found his way to Redlands, California at age twelve. He was too young to join the U.S. Army at the outbreak of WWI, so he hitch-hiked to Canada and became a gunnery Sgt. in the Royal Canadian Army.

At the end of the war, he was in London, waiting to ship home when he met my Grandmother in Hyde Park. They married at St. Gabriel Cathedral in Pimlico, and returned to America. He worked in the Oklahoma oil fields and boxed in "smokers" at first, then returned to California. He found a "one day job" doing some contruction labor for a new movie studio being built in Burbank.

That one day job turned into life long career. It was 1927, and the new studio was Warner Brothers. Somehow he found work rigging electrical cable for the studio's Set Lighting dept. He would become a lighting technician (called "Electricians" in those days) and would go on to become legendary Warner Bros lighting gaffer (lighting director). He did all of the Warner Bros. Humphery Bogart films (except Casablanca), as well "The African Queen", Shangri La, Rebel Without A Cause, My Fair Lady, the Great Race, Ocean's 11 (with "The Rat Pack), and his last feature film for a young cinematographer named Haskell Wexler. That movie was "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf". Just a few of many.

Jack Warner told Mike Nichols, the young unknown director of "Virginia Wolf", that the studio wanted Wexler to shoot the film. Nichols was a bit insecure, and wanted four time Oscar winner Robert Surtees as Director of Photography.
Warner told him, "you needn't worry about Haskell, he's a talented young cinematographer and we've already signed "Woody" to do the lighting (Roy Woodside, my grandfather, Surtees' gaffer). The movie won many Oscars- Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Cinematography, and Liz & Dick picked up a couple of statues themselves. The Oscar would be the first of three for Haskell Wexler (He also got one for "Butch Cassidy" a few years later).

In later years, I would work with Haskell Wexler on the Sean Penn-Robert Duvall film, "Colors". When Haskell learned I was Woody's grandkid, he said he remembered me on the set when I was a kid. "Your Grandfather held my hand thru that movie," he told me. "He taught me about light & shadow, creating depth using shades of grey, how to light black & white film, which is far tougher than color."

I've heard a lot of great things about my grandad since his death, from Hollywood legends of his day. Even actress Angie Dickenson had kind words for him when I worked with her on "Police Woman" years ago at Warners. The actress told me, "Woody lit my first screen test, and he really knew how to light women." That is my specialty as well, and I learned a lot from those whom were mentored by my grandfather. In all, eight films lit by my grandfather won Oscars for "Best Cinematography".

He and my Grandma lived simply in a small, 2 bedroom-1 bath home on a large lot about a mile from Warner Bros, a few blocks from where the old "Jim Jeffries Barn" stood until 1954. This is where I grew up. On an old oak tree in the backyard I built a tree house, and had an old Navy duffel bag stuffed with rags hanging from a limb. This is where I would to practice punching for my neighborhood fights before I started boxing. I had to be tougher than the other kids, they had size on their side and some liked to get a little pushy.

I was his only daughter's eldest son, and his favorite of 17 grandkids. He knew I needed him. When I was facing being expelled from school for fighting, my grandfather, knowing I wanted to become a boxer, made a deal with me. "If you promise to stop fighting in school, and find a gym where you can learn to box, I'll give you a ride and support you in your efforts. However, I expect not only to stop getting calls from your school principal, but also see something better on your report card."

I looked up the number of this young Golden Gloves champ, Jerry Quarry, and Jerry told me about the "Johnnie Flores Gym". I not only got my wish to become a boxer, my Grandfather got his. Within a year, I was an honor student.

I apologize for this long post, but I get kind of emotional when I visit St. Joseph Hospital in Burbank. It's where I was born, and where my Grandparents died. I know that you regulars will understand, you all have a fighter's heart. And Roger, as I wrote this, you were on my mind. What you are doing for Amanda and Adam is priceless.

To all of our Boxrec Grandparents . . . God bless you!


-Rick
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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:Anybody watch Obama speak? Time will tell but he sounds like he means business. I was proud of him.
Ditto
Standing ovation. Finally, a real leader. :bow:

GOD BLESS AMERICA :TU:
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Putting aside for the moment the loaded handwraps and cheating (difficult, I know), I'm wondering if Antonio Margarito will prove to be another Mugabi or if, at least to some degree, comeback the way that Barrera did. Losing the way he did to Shane Mosley really messes with the head of some fighters.

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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:Anybody watch Obama speak? Time will tell but he sounds like he means business. I was proud of him.
Ditto
Standing ovation. Finally, a real leader. :bow:

GOD BLESS AMERICA :TU:
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Dwight "The Hawk" Hawkins & my English Grandmother, Edith Woodside- 1967.


The Power of a Grandparent . . .

This photo was taken after the high school graduation of Johnnie Flores' oldest daughter, Pat.
My Grandfather took photos of the event for the family. A few of Johnnie's boxers were close to his family. The Hawk was one of them, so was I. My grandfather used to keep Johnnie's Gym in good repair.

My favorite fighters in those days were Dwight Hawkins, Jerry Quarry (my stablemates) and Mando Ramos.

The following year, my grandad collapsed in the Johnnie Flores Gym, as Johnnie tied my boxing gloves in the ring.
His aorta had ruptured. My grandfather refused to be taken to a Hospital, so Johnnie & Rose Flores drove us home to Burbank, where he could spend his last moments with my grandmother. My Grandmother told him, "You're going to the hospital!" and she called an ambulance. He died on the operating table three times that night, but would survive in the Intensive Care unit for another three weeks before passing. He was 67. His last words were, "give Ricky my watch", a gift from director Blake Edwards. I wore that watch the night I drove to the Olympic for my first pro fight.

My Grandfather had lived a tough life as a child.
Born on Indian territory in Oklahoma, he was orphaned at age six, and eventually found his way to Redlands, California at age twelve. He was too young to join the U.S. Army at the outbreak of WWI, so he hitch-hiked to Canada and became a gunnery Sgt. in the Royal Canadian Army.

At the end of the war, he was in London, waiting to ship home when he met my Grandmother in Hyde Park. They married at St. Gabriel Cathedral in Pimlico, and returned to America. He worked in the Oklahoma oil fields and boxed in "smokers" at first, then returned to California. He found a "one day job" doing some contruction labor for a new movie studio being built in Burbank.

That one day job turned into life long career. It was 1927, and the new studio was Warner Brothers. Somehow he found work rigging electrical cable for the studio's Set Lighting dept. He would become a lighting technician (called "Electricians" in those days) and would go on to become legendary Warner Bros lighting gaffer (lighting director). He did all of the Warner Bros. Humphery Bogart films (except Casablanca), as well "The African Queen", Shangri La, Rebel Without A Cause, My Fair Lady, the Great Race, Ocean's 11 (with "The Rat Pack), and his last feature film for a young cinematographer named Haskell Wexler. That movie was "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf". Just a few of many.

Jack Warner told Mike Nichols, the young unknown director of "Virginia Wolf", that the studio wanted Wexler to shoot the film. Nichols was a bit insecure, and wanted four time Oscar winner Robert Surtees as Director of Photography.
Warner told him, "you needn't worry about Haskell, he's a talented young cinematographer and we've already signed "Woody" to do the lighting (Roy Woodside, my grandfather, Surtees' gaffer). The movie won many Oscars- Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Cinematography, and Liz & Dick picked up a couple of statues themselves. The Oscar would be the first of three for Haskell Wexler (He also got one for "Butch Cassidy" a few years later).

In later years, I would work with Haskell Wexler on the Sean Penn-Robert Duvall film, "Colors". When Haskell learned I was Woody's grandkid, he said he remembered me on the set when I was a kid. "Your Grandfather held my hand thru that movie," he told me. "He taught me about light & shadow, creating depth using shades of grey, how to light black & white film, which is far tougher than color."

I've heard a lot of great things about my grandad since his death, from Hollywood legends of his day. Even actress Angie Dickenson had kind words for him when I worked with her on "Police Woman" years ago at Warners. The actress told me, "Woody lit my first screen test, and he really knew how to light women." That is my specialty as well, and I learned a lot from those whom were mentored by my grandfather. In all, eight films lit by my grandfather won Oscars for "Best Cinematography".

He and my Grandma lived simply in a small, 2 bedroom-1 bath home on a large lot about a mile from Warner Bros, a few blocks from where the old "Jim Jeffries Barn" stood until 1954. This is where I grew up. On an old oak tree in the backyard I built a tree house, and had an old Navy duffel bag stuffed with rags hanging from a limb. This is where I would to practice punching for my neighborhood fights before I started boxing. I had to be tougher than the other kids, they had size on their side and some liked to get a little pushy.

I was his only daughter's eldest son, and his favorite of 17 grandkids. He knew I needed him. When I was facing being expelled from school for fighting, my grandfather, knowing I wanted to become a boxer, made a deal with me. "If you promise to stop fighting in school, and find a gym where you can learn to box, I'll give you a ride and support you in your efforts. However, I expect not only to stop getting calls from your school principal, but also see something better on your report card."

I looked up the number of this young Golden Gloves champ, Jerry Quarry, and Jerry told me about the "Johnnie Flores Gym". I not only got my wish to become a boxer, my Grandfather got his. Within a year, I was an honor student.

I apologize for this long post, but I get kind of emotional when I visit St. Joseph Hospital in Burbank. It's where I was born, and where my Grandparents died. I know that you regulars will understand, you all have a fighter's heart. And Roger, as I wrote this, you were on my mind. What you are doing for Amanda and Adam is priceless.

To all of our Boxrec Grandparents . . . God bless you!


-Rick
Trust me Rick, it wasn't long enough. I didn't want it to end. Thanks for writing that great story and introducing us to your grandpa. Thoughout the whole story your pride and love for your grandfather was evident. It jump out of the screen. Any man that can die three times in one night and live for a few more weeks is the embodiment of heart and spirit. Death is no easy opponent.

I gotta tell you Rick, as I was reading I knew that the emotions were running through you. I knew that there were tears in your eyes. I had tears as I was reading it. What an outstanding tribute to the man that helped shape you into the man that you are today.

My father's father, my grandfather Santiago De La O, died when I was one. My mother's father, Grandpa Auggie Osuna, was a traveling man, living in different cities across the country and stopping by for a visit every 7 or 8 years. Didn't see him much. My oldest daughter was almost 3 when my own father died, so none of my kids, or my nieces knew their grandfather. My father in law Henry died when my kids were young, they didn't have him long enough. I have always felt the big gaping hole of not having a grandfather and then the hard luck to see my kids go through the same thing. This is why I shower my grandkids with love. If I can make a fraction of an impact on their lives that your grandfather made on your life I will be satisfied.

Thank you for sharing that! :bow: :TU: :bow: :TU: :bow:

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Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Well, I'm on the way to the hospital to have the damage of 12 years of boxing removed from my nose. It will still look flattened, but I should be able to breath nicely for the first time in more than thirty years.

-Rick
Good Luck with the surgery. Don't pester the nurses :D
________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Rog, the nurses were great. The surgery took place in the same hospital I was born in. The nurses are sweethearts, middle-aged, married, and two were from the Manila. When they discovered my busted nose was the result of boxing, guess who's name popped up? Manny Pac. The Filippino's love Manny, he is very kind to his people. One of the nurses told me that her cousin is close with the boxers wife, and that little Manny loves to play basketball. My nurse's American husband is a basketball coach at the Catholic High School next door to St. Joseph's Hospital in Burbank.

As a favor, the coach arranged for Manny to use the basketball courts during the off-hours. She said the high school basketball team wanted to meet the champ and joined him on the court, shooting hoops. Rose, my nurse, told me that everybody was shocked how well the 5'6" Pac-man could play.

Manny made sure everybody involved had good seats for his fight with Oscar last year. I like this fighter, but I hope he's careful with his money. He's very generous (like many boxers) and as we all know, there are people just waiting to seperate a prizefighter from his hard earned cash.

I wasn't impressed with Hatton's last win, but I have to agree with Bennie, he can win this fight. There is no dog in Ricky Hatton, and he's strong as hell, and has a lot of cultural pride himself. This is going to be a war!

May the best man win. I truly believe that the real winners of this bout will be the fans.

-Rick
Rick
One down one to go. I'm scheduled for Friday morning. Can't wait to get it over with. Glad your surgery went well.
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raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Best of luck Rick.
You'll be fine .Get back to us ASAP.
Let us know it went well.
Brian
Thank you, Brian. And thanks to all of you for the kind words. I'm already out of the hospital. Pretty simple. A lot less trauma than the nose surgery performed by Centavito Hernandez, Danny Lopez and a couple of others. I'll be bit uncomfortable for a day or two, and then I'll have the pleasure of experiencing a full dose Los Angeles vintage air pollution. :)

Roger's up next. Eye surgery on friday. Much more involved and I wish him the best.
Yes, but I bet any surgery performed by a licensed physician would be less trauma than nose surgery performed by Centavito Hernandez or Danny Lopez. :wink: :wink: (I'm sorry - I knew what you meant, but the way you phrased it struck me as funny . . .)

All kidding aside, I'm glad your surgery went well. And Roger, hope yours goes well, too. I'll be keeping you in my prayers.
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Dwight "The Hawk" Hawkins & my English Grandmother, Edith Woodside- 1967.


The Power of a Grandparent . . .

This photo was taken after the high school graduation of Johnnie Flores' oldest daughter, Pat.
My Grandfather took photos of the event for the family. A few of Johnnie's boxers were close to his family. The Hawk was one of them, so was I. My grandfather used to keep Johnnie's Gym in good repair.

My favorite fighters in those days were Dwight Hawkins, Jerry Quarry (my stablemates) and Mando Ramos.

The following year, my grandad collapsed in the Johnnie Flores Gym, as Johnnie tied my boxing gloves in the ring.
His aorta had ruptured. My grandfather refused to be taken to a Hospital, so Johnnie & Rose Flores drove us home to Burbank, where he could spend his last moments with my grandmother. My Grandmother told him, "You're going to the hospital!" and she called an ambulance. He died on the operating table three times that night, but would survive in the Intensive Care unit for another three weeks before passing. He was 67. His last words were, "give Ricky my watch", a gift from director Blake Edwards. I wore that watch the night I drove to the Olympic for my first pro fight.

My Grandfather had lived a tough life as a child.
Born on Indian territory in Oklahoma, he was orphaned at age six, and eventually found his way to Redlands, California at age twelve. He was too young to join the U.S. Army at the outbreak of WWI, so he hitch-hiked to Canada and became a gunnery Sgt. in the Royal Canadian Army.

At the end of the war, he was in London, waiting to ship home when he met my Grandmother in Hyde Park. They married at St. Gabriel Cathedral in Pimlico, and returned to America. He worked in the Oklahoma oil fields and boxed in "smokers" at first, then returned to California. He found a "one day job" doing some contruction labor for a new movie studio being built in Burbank.

That one day job turned into life long career. It was 1927, and the new studio was Warner Brothers. Somehow he found work rigging electrical cable for the studio's Set Lighting dept. He would become a lighting technician (called "Electricians" in those days) and would go on to become legendary Warner Bros lighting gaffer (lighting director). He did all of the Warner Bros. Humphery Bogart films (except Casablanca), as well "The African Queen", Shangri La, Rebel Without A Cause, My Fair Lady, the Great Race, Ocean's 11 (with "The Rat Pack), and his last feature film for a young cinematographer named Haskell Wexler. That movie was "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf". Just a few of many.

Jack Warner told Mike Nichols, the young unknown director of "Virginia Wolf", that the studio wanted Wexler to shoot the film. Nichols was a bit insecure, and wanted four time Oscar winner Robert Surtees as Director of Photography.
Warner told him, "you needn't worry about Haskell, he's a talented young cinematographer and we've already signed "Woody" to do the lighting (Roy Woodside, my grandfather, Surtees' gaffer). The movie won many Oscars- Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Cinematography, and Liz & Dick picked up a couple of statues themselves. The Oscar would be the first of three for Haskell Wexler (He also got one for "Butch Cassidy" a few years later).

In later years, I would work with Haskell Wexler on the Sean Penn-Robert Duvall film, "Colors". When Haskell learned I was Woody's grandkid, he said he remembered me on the set when I was a kid. "Your Grandfather held my hand thru that movie," he told me. "He taught me about light & shadow, creating depth using shades of grey, how to light black & white film, which is far tougher than color."

I've heard a lot of great things about my grandad since his death, from Hollywood legends of his day. Even actress Angie Dickenson had kind words for him when I worked with her on "Police Woman" years ago at Warners. The actress told me, "Woody lit my first screen test, and he really knew how to light women." That is my specialty as well, and I learned a lot from those whom were mentored by my grandfather. In all, eight films lit by my grandfather won Oscars for "Best Cinematography".

He and my Grandma lived simply in a small, 2 bedroom-1 bath home on a large lot about a mile from Warner Bros, a few blocks from where the old "Jim Jeffries Barn" stood until 1954. This is where I grew up. On an old oak tree in the backyard I built a tree house, and had an old Navy duffel bag stuffed with rags hanging from a limb. This is where I would to practice punching for my neighborhood fights before I started boxing. I had to be tougher than the other kids, they had size on their side and some liked to get a little pushy.

I was his only daughter's eldest son, and his favorite of 17 grandkids. He knew I needed him. When I was facing being expelled from school for fighting, my grandfather, knowing I wanted to become a boxer, made a deal with me. "If you promise to stop fighting in school, and find a gym where you can learn to box, I'll give you a ride and support you in your efforts. However, I expect not only to stop getting calls from your school principal, but also see something better on your report card."

I looked up the number of this young Golden Gloves champ, Jerry Quarry, and Jerry told me about the "Johnnie Flores Gym". I not only got my wish to become a boxer, my Grandfather got his. Within a year, I was an honor student.

I apologize for this long post, but I get kind of emotional when I visit St. Joseph Hospital in Burbank. It's where I was born, and where my Grandparents died. I know that you regulars will understand, you all have a fighter's heart. And Roger, as I wrote this, you were on my mind. What you are doing for Amanda and Adam is priceless.

To all of our Boxrec Grandparents . . . God bless you!


-Rick
Thanks Rick
Just got back from Flamenco practice with Amanda. The highlight of the week for me.
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I wish you well with your surgery too Rog. Same advice to you. Keep your hands off the nurses.

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Dwight "The Hawk" Hawkins & my English Grandmother, Edith Woodside- 1967.


The Power of a Grandparent . . .

This photo was taken after the high school graduation of Johnnie Flores' oldest daughter, Pat.
My Grandfather took photos of the event for the family. A few of Johnnie's boxers were close to his family. The Hawk was one of them, so was I. My grandfather used to keep Johnnie's Gym in good repair.

My favorite fighters in those days were Dwight Hawkins, Jerry Quarry (my stablemates) and Mando Ramos.

The following year, my grandad collapsed in the Johnnie Flores Gym, as Johnnie tied my boxing gloves in the ring.
His aorta had ruptured. My grandfather refused to be taken to a Hospital, so Johnnie & Rose Flores drove us home to Burbank, where he could spend his last moments with my grandmother. My Grandmother told him, "You're going to the hospital!" and she called an ambulance. He died on the operating table three times that night, but would survive in the Intensive Care unit for another three weeks before passing. He was 67. His last words were, "give Ricky my watch", a gift from director Blake Edwards. I wore that watch the night I drove to the Olympic for my first pro fight.

My Grandfather had lived a tough life as a child.
Born on Indian territory in Oklahoma, he was orphaned at age six, and eventually found his way to Redlands, California at age twelve. He was too young to join the U.S. Army at the outbreak of WWI, so he hitch-hiked to Canada and became a gunnery Sgt. in the Royal Canadian Army.

At the end of the war, he was in London, waiting to ship home when he met my Grandmother in Hyde Park. They married at St. Gabriel Cathedral in Pimlico, and returned to America. He worked in the Oklahoma oil fields and boxed in "smokers" at first, then returned to California. He found a "one day job" doing some contruction labor for a new movie studio being built in Burbank.

That one day job turned into life long career. It was 1927, and the new studio was Warner Brothers. Somehow he found work rigging electrical cable for the studio's Set Lighting dept. He would become a lighting technician (called "Electricians" in those days) and would go on to become legendary Warner Bros lighting gaffer (lighting director). He did all of the Warner Bros. Humphery Bogart films (except Casablanca), as well "The African Queen", Shangri La, Rebel Without A Cause, My Fair Lady, the Great Race, Ocean's 11 (with "The Rat Pack), and his last feature film for a young cinematographer named Haskell Wexler. That movie was "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf". Just a few of many.

Jack Warner told Mike Nichols, the young unknown director of "Virginia Wolf", that the studio wanted Wexler to shoot the film. Nichols was a bit insecure, and wanted four time Oscar winner Robert Surtees as Director of Photography.
Warner told him, "you needn't worry about Haskell, he's a talented young cinematographer and we've already signed "Woody" to do the lighting (Roy Woodside, my grandfather, Surtees' gaffer). The movie won many Oscars- Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Cinematography, and Liz & Dick picked up a couple of statues themselves. The Oscar would be the first of three for Haskell Wexler (He also got one for "Butch Cassidy" a few years later).

In later years, I would work with Haskell Wexler on the Sean Penn-Robert Duvall film, "Colors". When Haskell learned I was Woody's grandkid, he said he remembered me on the set when I was a kid. "Your Grandfather held my hand thru that movie," he told me. "He taught me about light & shadow, creating depth using shades of grey, how to light black & white film, which is far tougher than color."

I've heard a lot of great things about my grandad since his death, from Hollywood legends of his day. Even actress Angie Dickenson had kind words for him when I worked with her on "Police Woman" years ago at Warners. The actress told me, "Woody lit my first screen test, and he really knew how to light women." That is my specialty as well, and I learned a lot from those whom were mentored by my grandfather. In all, eight films lit by my grandfather won Oscars for "Best Cinematography".

He and my Grandma lived simply in a small, 2 bedroom-1 bath home on a large lot about a mile from Warner Bros, a few blocks from where the old "Jim Jeffries Barn" stood until 1954. This is where I grew up. On an old oak tree in the backyard I built a tree house, and had an old Navy duffel bag stuffed with rags hanging from a limb. This is where I would to practice punching for my neighborhood fights before I started boxing. I had to be tougher than the other kids, they had size on their side and some liked to get a little pushy.

I was his only daughter's eldest son, and his favorite of 17 grandkids. He knew I needed him. When I was facing being expelled from school for fighting, my grandfather, knowing I wanted to become a boxer, made a deal with me. "If you promise to stop fighting in school, and find a gym where you can learn to box, I'll give you a ride and support you in your efforts. However, I expect not only to stop getting calls from your school principal, but also see something better on your report card."

I looked up the number of this young Golden Gloves champ, Jerry Quarry, and Jerry told me about the "Johnnie Flores Gym". I not only got my wish to become a boxer, my Grandfather got his. Within a year, I was an honor student.

I apologize for this long post, but I get kind of emotional when I visit St. Joseph Hospital in Burbank. It's where I was born, and where my Grandparents died. I know that you regulars will understand, you all have a fighter's heart. And Roger, as I wrote this, you were on my mind. What you are doing for Amanda and Adam is priceless.

To all of our Boxrec Grandparents . . . God bless you!


-Rick
No need to apologize, Rick. Grandparents are special people. My Granddad was my best friend.
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UNTOLD STORIES

Yeh,LaMotta wrote a book about his life. Someone else did it for him,but that's understandable. Great story. Scorcese was captivated by it. Raging Bull. Greatest performance I've seen by an actor. DiNero playing Jake LaMotta.

Jake LaMotta,as crude as they get. A Freudian delight. The animal who couldn't see himself in the mirror. The book always has more in it than the movie and the life has more in it than the book. No real judgements here. A boxer's life? We're not talking about athletes who graced the gridiron at Notre Dame or the basketball court at Duke. Not about the links at Augusta. Forget the Olympics.No relief pitchers in boxing. You take your beating and learn to live with it. We're talking about guys who saw no other way out of the neighborhood. Either a life of crime, or going down to the gym and climb into the ring. And those gyms. Smelly,humid,closed up. In the down and out neighborhoods these guys grew up in. No nautilus machines and hard bodied little blond physical trainers. A membership.?Keep winnin' and you were allowed to stay around. Lose?Well you could sweep the place out.

And now for all the pugs. The great and not so great. The belt wearers and the tomato cans. They are the ones to write about. The stories they have inside them. The tank towns and small smoke filled arenas. The seedy types. The Mob. The managers and promoters picking their pockets as they slugged it out in the ring. The creeps putting the touch on them. The broads who stuck around as long as the dough was coming in. The untold stories.

Anymore Scorceses looking to make a movie?
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Randyman wrote:I wish you well with your surgery too Rog. Same advice to you. Keep your hands off the nurses.

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Thanks Pal :TU: I'd work my best sympathy act on the nurses,but the operation is only supposed to last 15 minutes :(
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dagosd2000 wrote:UNTOLD STORIES

Yeh,LaMotta wrote a book about his life. Someone else did it for him,but that's understandable. Great story. Scorcese was captivated by it. Raging Bull. Greatest performance I've seen by an actor. DiNero playing Jake LaMotta.

Jake LaMotta,as crude as they get. A Freudian delight. The animal who couldn't see himself in the mirror. The book always has more in it than the movie and the life has more in it than the book. No real judgements here. A boxer's life? We're not talking about athletes who graced the gridiron at Notre Dame or the basketball court at Duke. Not about the links at Augusta. Forget the Olympics. We're talking about guys who saw no other way out of the neighborhood. Either a life of crime, or going down to the gym and climb into the ring. And those gyms. Smelly,humid,closed up. In the down and out neighborhoods these guys grew up in. No nautilus machines and hard bodied little blond physical trainers. A membership.?Keep winnin' and you were allowed to stay around. Lose?Well you could sweep the place out.

And now for all the pugs. The great and not so great. The belt wearers and the tomato cans. They are the ones to write about. The stories they have inside them. The tank towns and small smoke filled arenas. The seedy types. The Mob. The managers and promoters picking their pockets as they slugged it out in the ring. The creeps putting the touch on them. The broads who stuck around as long as the dough was coming in. The untold stories.

Anymore Scorceses looking to make a movie?
Dam, that was good. :bow:
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raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Expug wrote:Best of luck Rick.
You'll be fine .Get back to us ASAP.
Let us know it went well.
Brian
Thank you, Brian. And thanks to all of you for the kind words. I'm already out of the hospital. Pretty simple. A lot less trauma than the nose surgery performed by Centavito Hernandez, Danny Lopez and a couple of others. I'll be bit uncomfortable for a day or two, and then I'll have the pleasure of experiencing a full dose Los Angeles vintage air pollution. :)

Roger's up next. Eye surgery on friday. Much more involved and I wish him the best.
Yes, but I bet any surgery performed by a licensed physician would be less trauma than nose surgery performed by Centavito Hernandez or Danny Lopez. :wink: :wink: (I'm sorry - I knew what you meant, but the way you phrased it struck me as funny . . .)

All kidding aside, I'm glad your surgery went well. And Roger, hope yours goes well, too. I'll be keeping you in my prayers.
Thanks Tom . . . By the way. If you'll E-mail me your mailng address ([email protected]) Mando Muniz told me he'sd sign a photo and mail it to you. I let him know who you are and your experience in boxing (that which I know). He was flattered to hear you liked his career and hopes to meet you if you are able to meet you at this years WBHOF banquet. I also told him you are responsible for bringing to my attention that Battling Nelson, Ad Wolgast, George Dixon and Barbados Joe Walcott are not yet enshrined in the WBHOF. We are going to see about getting that done in one quick move, without putting it up for vote. We don't want to put those obvious choices in the hands of less than knowledgable voters. I consider it "old unfinished business". However, we are about to start working this out. I will call a meeting of the Selection Commitee for which I am chairman next month. We will then address possible names for the ballot, several of which we've discussed on this thread.

And guys, I don't know of anybody more knowledgeable than you who post here. Some of you know a lot more than I do, so please don't hesitate to make suggestions. I would like to use my position to speak for the true historians, and will credit anybody who has a name, and willing to write a short bio, something I can present to the others. I can't assure you the name will make the ballot, but it will have a chance. I promise that :TU:

-Rick
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Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Thank you, Brian. And thanks to all of you for the kind words. I'm already out of the hospital. Pretty simple. A lot less trauma than the nose surgery performed by Centavito Hernandez, Danny Lopez and a couple of others. I'll be bit uncomfortable for a day or two, and then I'll have the pleasure of experiencing a full dose Los Angeles vintage air pollution. :)

Roger's up next. Eye surgery on friday. Much more involved and I wish him the best.
Yes, but I bet any surgery performed by a licensed physician would be less trauma than nose surgery performed by Centavito Hernandez or Danny Lopez. :wink: :wink: (I'm sorry - I knew what you meant, but the way you phrased it struck me as funny . . .)

All kidding aside, I'm glad your surgery went well. And Roger, hope yours goes well, too. I'll be keeping you in my prayers.
Thanks Tom . . . By the way. If you'll E-mail me your mailng address ([email protected]) Mando Muniz told me he'sd sign a photo and mail it to you. I let him know who you are and your experience in boxing (that which I know). He was flattered to hear you liked his career and hopes to meet you if you are able to meet you at this years WBHOF banquet. I also told him you are responsible for bringing to my attention that Battling Nelson, Ad Wolgast, George Dixon and Barbados Joe Walcott are not yet enshrined in the WBHOF. We are going to see about getting that done in one quick move, without putting it up for vote. We don't want to put those obvious choices in the hands of less than knowledgable voters. I consider it "old unfinished business". However, we are about to start working this out. I will call a meeting of the Selection Commitee for which I am chairman next month. We will then address possible names for the ballot, several of which we've discussed on this thread.

And guys, I don't know of anybody more knowledgeable than you who post here. Some of you know a lot more than I do, so please don't hesitate to make suggestions. I would like to use my position to speak for the true historians, and will credit anybody who has a name, and willing to write a short bio, something I can present to the others. I can't assure you the name will make the ballot, but it will have a chance. I promise that :TU:

-Rick
Rick, I would enjoy writing bios for any of the old timers circa 1890 to 1920. Just give me the names and I'll put something together!
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Randyman wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:UNTOLD STORIES

Yeh,LaMotta wrote a book about his life. Someone else did it for him,but that's understandable. Great story. Scorcese was captivated by it. Raging Bull. Greatest performance I've seen by an actor. DiNero playing Jake LaMotta.

Jake LaMotta,as crude as they get. A Freudian delight. The animal who couldn't see himself in the mirror. The book always has more in it than the movie and the life has more in it than the book. No real judgements here. A boxer's life? We're not talking about athletes who graced the gridiron at Notre Dame or the basketball court at Duke. Not about the links at Augusta. Forget the Olympics. We're talking about guys who saw no other way out of the neighborhood. Either a life of crime, or going down to the gym and climb into the ring. And those gyms. Smelly,humid,closed up. In the down and out neighborhoods these guys grew up in. No nautilus machines and hard bodied little blond physical trainers. A membership.?Keep winnin' and you were allowed to stay around. Lose?Well you could sweep the place out.

And now for all the pugs. The great and not so great. The belt wearers and the tomato cans. They are the ones to write about. The stories they have inside them. The tank towns and small smoke filled arenas. The seedy types. The Mob. The managers and promoters picking their pockets as they slugged it out in the ring. The creeps putting the touch on them. The broads who stuck around as long as the dough was coming in. The untold stories.

Anymore Scorceses looking to make a movie?
Dam, that was good. :bow:


Right on baby.
THATS BOXING.Im picturing Sixto Rodriguez getting off that bus in "Fat City".

Good luck with the surgery on your lamps Rog.Im gonna send up a prayer.
Rick,I'm real glad things went well.
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Rick
One down one to go. I'm scheduled for Friday morning. Can't wait to get it over with. Glad your surgery went well.
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Roger . . . Your eyes see things that many don't, and then you share them with the world on canvas. Your gift is a gift to the world. You honor your friends and bring tears to our eyes, warmth to our hearts and a reminder of what's most most important, humanity. You will be in Monica's and my prayers tonight. Those are fifteen very important minutes Friday morning.

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