Going by what Bunce often says re: Cotto "quitting" against

[Croydon1]

Margarito, why has this not been made into a major issue in boxing circles?

Steve Bunce when discussing Cotto over the past few months on his show often brings up his opinion that Cotto 'quit' against Margarito.
Now as much as I do like Cotto (he is one of my fav fighters), looking at him take that final knee against Margarito then just walk to his corner does add a bit of substance to Bunceys claim.

Now I have never been beat up like that and been swallowing blood and taking clean punches (maybe tough wraps) to the face so I am in no position to call any boxer a quitter but did Cotto get off from this lightly? I've never seen any other media outles or boxing people mention this other than Bunce. Durans name has been tainted for years since he apparently wanted out in the no mas incident but nothing on Miguel.

Opinions?

[Bard of Boxrec]

my opinion is that Bunce is a retard and Cotto clearly did not quit.

[Asterix]

Cotto received some unfair words on here after the fight, but only from people who don't understand what he went through in that fight. Look at Cotto's face afterwards. To call him a quitter is naive at best. He soldiered on through more than most would have endured, and he knew that he wasn't going to win well before the fight was stopped.

Duran didn't quit because he was being beaten to a pulp. He quit because of pride.

[stujones]

I'm not sure what you mean by the last line... Duran wasn't even allowed back into Panama cause of what he did against Leonard.

I think Bunce does have an arguement for sure, I don't agree. Cotto was at that stage taking a sustain beating. I don't know about the cards at the time (could he have clung onto win) but if he had reacted like he did at the end at the first opportunity (e.g. first KD) then I would have agreed... but he got up, tested himself, tank was empty and couldn't continue.

It is funny how people reaction to different situations and come with the same conclusions. Like DLH "quitting" against Hopkins - the guy takes a peach of a shot... stays down after 10, then rolls around, doctor gives him medical attention on the floor - but he "quit" (according to some sections of the press) cause he was well enough to roll around and to crawl and hit the floor - he still didn't even have another oxygen in his lungs to stand on his feet, he was crawling!... Cotto does almost the opposite, and he quit also.

I think to say Cotto quit is almost like saying Wayne Rigby quit against Michael Ayers.

[NRH]

my opinion is that Bunce is a retard and Cotto clearly did not quit.

I agree with you that Cotto didn't quit but i dont think Buncey is a retard the guy knows his stuff.

I never miss Bunce's boxing hour

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Cotto did quit, but so did Gerald McCellan, its all about the degree of quiting and we don't knwo what kind of woe Cotto was in.

The famous saying 'tiredness can make a coward of the bravest man' comes to mind, well shit loads of pain and physical damage to. But if Cotto was fit enough to live with Margarito he wouldn't have quit or lost that 1.

[adamiw]

.....just because someone quit doesn't make it shameful.....did Cotto quit or didn't he?.....doesn't matter, he was getting beaten up......he showed plenty of balls but defeat had become inevitable

[J]

jesus christ mclellellan didnt quit he had the onset of brain trauma.

[NRH]

jesus christ mclellellan didnt quit he had the onset of brain trauma.

Definately can't blame Gerald for that one. Fuckin hell if anything he should be in the list of fighters with some serious fuckin heart. The guy knew something was wrong inside and as i remember he took the frist knee then got up and tried to continue?

[J]

got the fight on dvd, cant watch it past round 7 when G man starts blinking, you can see him effectively "die" in the ring over the next few rounds.

shame as the fight itself is wonderful but when you have watched it so many times you can see when G man starts showing signs of what was to come.

[Asterix]

jesus christ mclellellan didnt quit he had the onset of brain trauma.

Definately can't blame Gerald for that one. Fuckin hell if anything he should be in the list of fighters with some serious fuckin heart. The guy knew something was wrong inside and as i remember he took the frist knee then got up and tried to continue?

It just shows that no matter what they do they're going to be called a quitter by someone.

[NRH]

jesus christ mclellellan didnt quit he had the onset of brain trauma.

Definately can't blame Gerald for that one. Fuckin hell if anything he should be in the list of fighters with some serious fuckin heart. The guy knew something was wrong inside and as i remember he took the frist knee then got up and tried to continue?

It just shows that no matter what they do they're going to be called a quitter by someone.

It's getting more and more ridiculous. Unless your undefeated nowadays your either a quitter or a tomato can and if you are undefeated your a ducker.

[banjo]

Taking a beating out of pride doesn't make you a man, it makes you a fool.

Cotto gave his all and unfortunately for him it wasn't enough, he was taking heavy hits, struggling to breathe and at that stage he was up against a man who had a lot more left in the tank.

Cotto pulled out so he could fight another day.

[Buncey]

He did quit. I understand why. He was taking a terrible and shocking beating. Nobody had paid enough to see him take any more. Just because I said he quit does not mean that I think he lacks heart.
He didnt swallow - he quit.

Adios.

[Matt W]

Quit has a very negative connotation. Technically speaking he did, but in reality he knew he had given his all and had nothing left. Very different to Duran for example.

[chinny]

He chose not to continue therefore he quit. End of.

[Asterix]

He kept taking knees but he didn't tell the referee he wanted to quit, even though it was written all over his body (beneath the blood, that is).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e1yvpIo ... re=related

[stujones]

He did quit. I understand why. He was taking a terrible and shocking beating. Nobody had paid enough to see him take any more. Just because I said he quit does not mean that I think he lacks heart.
He didnt swallow - he quit.

Adios.

I still disagree, but that is a nice answer. Personally, I think if it could be argued that Cotto quit it could be argued that any puncher counted out through a body punch also quit.

On a side issue, given the amount of a shellacking it took him to "quit"... do you think Hatton had/has the arsenal to make Cotto quit. You've made a few hints - that Hatton was right in that Cotto cannot take it to the same degree as he can take it. But I think, he showed it takes a massive Welter, with a massive engine to beat the "bully"... I actually thought that the Margarito, kind of disproved Hatton's claims - not enhanced them.

[NRH]

He did quit. I understand why. He was taking a terrible and shocking beating. Nobody had paid enough to see him take any more. Just because I said he quit does not mean that I think he lacks heart.
He didnt swallow - he quit.

Adios.

I still disagree, but that is a nice answer. Personally, I think if it could be argued that Cotto quit it could be argued that any puncher counted out through a body punch also quit.

On a side issue, given the amount of a shellacking it took him to "quit"... do you think Hatton had/has the arsenal to make Cotto quit. You've made a few hints - that Hatton was right in that Cotto cannot take it to the same degree as he can take it. But I think, he showed it takes a massive Welter, with a massive engine to beat the "bully"... I actually thought that the Margarito, kind of disproved Hatton's claims - not enhanced them.

I don't think Hatton would get past 8 or 9 against Cotto personally.

[forcefraser]

As Eubank says, "He should take his beating" Eubank never quit.

Cotto`s corner were pulling him out anyway, bit harsh saying he quit.

[Hagler2002]

What a load of bollocks Buncey! do you think he should have stood there in front of Margarito and suffered a life threatening injury in defeat? who knows what Margarito had in his wraps, if he done it against Mosley I'm 99.9% sure something would have been amiss in the Cotto fight.

This isn't the first time you have labeled a fighter a "quitter" or a "disgrace" for pulling out of a fight, I'm starting to believe that you'd rather see someone get seriously hurt in the ring just to feed your own curiosity.

[chinny]

He quit. It isn't about what he should or shouldn't have done. Its about what he did. He quit. I love Cotto, I travelled to NY just to see him fight Mosley, but he quit.

quit -
1   /kwɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kwit] Show IPA verb, quit or quit⋅ted, quit⋅ting, adjective
–verb (used with object) 1. to stop, cease, or discontinue: She quit what she was doing to help me paint the house.
2. to depart from; leave (a place or person): They quit the city for the seashore every summer.
3. to give up or resign; let go; relinquish: He quit his claim to the throne. She quit her job.
4. to release one's hold of (something grasped).
5. to acquit or conduct (oneself).
6. to free or rid (oneself): to quit oneself of doubts.
7. to clear (a debt); repay.

–verb (used without object) 8. to cease from doing something; stop.
9. to give up or resign one's job or position: He keeps threatening to quit.
10. to depart or leave.
11. to stop trying, struggling, or the like; accept or acknowledge defeat.

–adjective 12. released from obligation, penalty, etc.; free, clear, or rid (usually fol. by of): quit of all further responsibilities.

[lurkyshaka]

He did quit. I understand why. He was taking a terrible and shocking beating. Nobody had paid enough to see him take any more. Just because I said he quit does not mean that I think he lacks heart.
He didnt swallow - he quit.

Adios.

Its the connotations of the word 'quit' i think some folk have a problem with. In boxing its a filthy word. But it really shouldn't be taken so literally or as an insult.

[Hagler2002]

He quit. It isn't about what he should or shouldn't have done. Its about what he did. He quit. I love Cotto, I travelled to NY just to see him fight Mosley, but he quit.

quit -
1   /kwɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kwit] Show IPA verb, quit or quit⋅ted, quit⋅ting, adjective
–verb (used with object) 1. to stop, cease, or discontinue: She quit what she was doing to help me paint the house.
2. to depart from; leave (a place or person): They quit the city for the seashore every summer.
3. to give up or resign; let go; relinquish: He quit his claim to the throne. She quit her job.
4. to release one's hold of (something grasped).
5. to acquit or conduct (oneself).
6. to free or rid (oneself): to quit oneself of doubts.
7. to clear (a debt); repay.

–verb (used without object) 8. to cease from doing something; stop.
9. to give up or resign one's job or position: He keeps threatening to quit.
10. to depart or leave.
11. to stop trying, struggling, or the like; accept or acknowledge defeat.

–adjective 12. released from obligation, penalty, etc.; free, clear, or rid (usually fol. by of): quit of all further responsibilities.

He didn't quit at all he was physically and mentally broken, if you're such a fan of his did you want him to stand there and take a load more punishment risking serious injury?

Golota is a quitter Cotto is far from it

[dbf]

Didn't Margarito break Cotto's nose around the 5/6 round? The fact that Cotto continued to fight after that showed that he wasn't a quitter.

He was spent at the end and couldn't give any more, I wouldn't call that quitting, I would call that being unable to continue.