2009 National Golden Gloves

[ringsidemike]

In case you missed it.. on video.google.com I have posted awhile back:
Erick Deleon vs Eric Manriquez
that took place at Manriquez's gym (Kenny Weldon's).

Result: Referee Ricky Webb disqualified Manriquez

[Unit]

I expect to be there at the nationals this year

getting great sparring and in good shape only person who can give me a run for my money is shemuel pagan...but I shuld get him Fairly easy

Getting good Hard rounds in the gym with darling jiminez(pro),Steven Martinez(Last years winner 152),Troy "KO' Artis(4-0 middleweight Prospect),Eddie Irizzary(7-0 6 KOs Pro Prospect),
And More

I hope to see everyone there

[Dennis]

Any other results yet? Just Texas and New England so far?

[Kolya]

Any other results yet? Just Texas and New England so far?

Montana Golden Gloves are March 28th-29th in Hamilton, with Rocky Mountain Golden Gloves being April 3rd-4th in Pocatello, ID.

[boxmel]

California State GG is April 3-5 in Sacramento. I won't have the results and hope someone else can post them.

[the_boxer]

DETROIT GOLDEN GLOVES - APRIL 3-5, 2009.

Any predictions on who will enter and who will win?

106, 112, 119 - I have no idea.
125-James Smith, Cedric Johnson, Robert Figueroa, Eric DeLeon
132-Jordan Moody, Ali Eljahmi, Michael Portillo
141-Andriy Stankevyck, Carlos Gillett, Glen Binds, Arkell Boyd
152-Leandre White, Tony Harrison, Justin Robinson, Raymond Harris, William Boswell
165-J'Leon Love, Willie Fortune, Willie Price, Anthony Barnes
178-Anthony Robinson, Brandon Preston, Dwayne Williams
201 & 201+ - Demetrius Banks, Walter Burns, Ryan Rawls, Mike Harrell, Daniel Smith, Craig Lewis, Bryan Townsel. There are several guys that could box at 201 or 201+. It will be interesting.

good fighters at the detroit golden gloves this year

[ddmanning]

I got a question about the golden gloves. For the states that do sub novice division does that mean they wont fight the novice fighters at the end of the tourny? If someone can explain the novice, sub novice part of the tourny for me id appreciate it.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I got a question about the golden gloves. For the states that do sub novice division does that mean they wont fight the novice fighters at the end of the tourny? If someone can explain the novice, sub novice part of the tourny for me id appreciate it.

only open boxers advance. no novice, sub-novice at national tournament.

[ddmanning]

[/quote]only open boxers advance. no novice, sub-novice at national tournament.[/quote]

Yea i got that part but i was wondering if they have a seperate bracket for novice and sub novice at the regional level. Im a novice fighter and want to know if i would have to fight my friend who is a sub novice fighter. Is there a winner for the novice and sub novice divisions? Or are they all grouped together?

[boxmel]

Yea i got that part but i was wondering if they have a seperate bracket for novice and sub novice at the regional level. Im a novice fighter and want to know if i would have to fight my friend who is a sub novice fighter. Is there a winner for the novice and sub novice divisions? Or are they all grouped together?

Granted, GG likes to make their own rules - however novice boxers do not advance past the local level tournament. We don't break down novice and sub novice in California. Novice boxers are, technically, those with 10 or less bouts and they are bracketed separately. So you might end up boxing your friend if he is in the same weight division as you.

[Dennis]

I'm not sure where you are from, but in Michigan the sub-novice and novice have separate brackets. The sub-novice boxers do not advance to the state tournament, while the novice boxers do. Our state tournament consists of the West MI champ and runner-up going against the East Mi champ and runner-up. If there is a spot open, another boxer can fill it. For example, if the runner-up can't make the state tournament due to illness, injury, suspension, vacation, work (the list goes on and on), then a boxer who was eliminated in the earlier rounds of the tournament or the sub-novice champ could fill the spot and go to the state championship as the runner-up. It also happens where there is only one boxer (uncontested) at 178 and a boxer who lost at 165 moves up to 178 and enters the state tournament as the runner-up (178/165 is an example but it happens in other weight classes too). This same process happens for the national GG tourney. Sometimes a boxer loses the state tournament, but goes to the nationals because the champ can't go for whatever reason.

[Dennis]

Yea i got that part but i was wondering if they have a seperate bracket for novice and sub novice at the regional level. Im a novice fighter and want to know if i would have to fight my friend who is a sub novice fighter. Is there a winner for the novice and sub novice divisions? Or are they all grouped together?

Granted, GG likes to make their own rules - however novice boxers do not advance past the local level tournament. We don't break down novice and sub novice in California. Novice boxers are, technically, those with 10 or less bouts and they are bracketed separately. So you might end up boxing your friend if he is in the same weight division as you.

Mel - please resist degrading the GG every time you post a comment about it. Having a sub-novice bracket allows boxers without much experience a chance to compete in front of a large crowd and find out if they want to continue in the sport of amateur boxing. More boxers get their start in GG than any other tournament. It is still the tournament that the public knows and likes. Instead of knocking the competition because it is successful, other tournaments and groups should try to improve their own.

[boxmel]

Mel - please resist degrading the GG every time you post a comment about it. Having a sub-novice bracket allows boxers without much experience a chance to compete in front of a large crowd and find out if they want to continue in the sport of amateur boxing.

Touchy, aren't you. That was not a degredation - it was a simple statement of fact that GG does make their own rules and you agreed by making your statement about a sub-novice bracket. All I said was that California didn't have a sub novice local tournament; I have no idea what other franchises do.

More boxers get their start in GG than any other tournament.

I thought more boxers got their start in JOs or Silver Gloves; USA Boxing also has local novice tournaments and, in my experience, the same boxers enter both USA Boxing and GG tournaments.

It is still the tournament that the public knows and likes.

We get the same amount of spectating family, friends, boxers and coaches at both events. I will agree that GG has enormous name recognition.

Instead of knocking the competition because it is successful, other tournaments and groups should try to improve their own.

Being paranoid, aren't you? Who knocked what? And what do you consider improving - breaking down the novice into sub and novice for local tournaments? We have the biggest LBC in the U.S. and it's still the same amount of boxers for GG and USA Boxing novice - and open.

I'm not going to get into a "tit for tat" with you about GG and will cease posting to any GG threads since you take umbrage to anything I say about this group member.

[Dennis]

Touchy, aren't you. That was not a degredation - it was a simple statement of fact that GG does make their own rules and you agreed by making your statement about a sub-novice bracket. All I said was that California didn't have a sub novice local tournament; I have no idea what other franchises do.

It is not a fact, it is just your opinion. Sub-novice division is allowed per USA Boxing rule 109.2. Shame on you for not knowing.

I thought more boxers got their start in JOs or Silver Gloves; USA Boxing also has local novice tournaments and, in my experience, the same boxers enter both USA Boxing and GG tournaments.

Maybe in your neck of the woods, but in most areas the GG is BOXING.

We get the same amount of spectating family, friends, boxers and coaches at both events. I will agree that GG has enormous name recognition.

Again maybe true in your area, but not so in many parts of the U.S.

Being paranoid, aren't you? Who knocked what? And what do you consider improving - breaking down the novice into sub and novice for local tournaments? We have the biggest LBC in the U.S. and it's still the same amount of boxers for GG and USA Boxing novice - and open.

Paranoid? No, I just get tired of reading about your disdain for the GG. It sounds like jealousy. I do think having more experience classifications is a way to improve amateur boxing and get more athletes involved. I have expressed that opinion in regard to the Michigan Silver Gloves too.

I'm not going to get into a "tit for tat" with you about GG and will cease posting to any GG threads since you take umbrage to anything I say about this group member.

GOOD. Problem resolved.

[boxmel]

It is not a fact, it is just your opinion. Sub-novice division is allowed per USA Boxing rule 109.2. Shame on you for not knowing

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I am fully aware that USAB allows for sub-novice. My point was that some GG franchises, I guess, have a sub-novice bracket in their local tournament and that California does not. I really do dislike lawyers!

Paranoid? No, I just get tired of reading about your disdain for the GG. It sounds like jealousy.

Damn - a low blow. Shame on you. Jealous of what? I don't have a "disdain" for GG - I just don't like them. I try hard to post in a fair manner - guess I can't with you monitoring.

I do think having more experience classifications is a way to improve amateur boxing and get more athletes involved.

And it's for just this reason that I always encourage our athletes to participate in ALL available tournaments.

I'm not going to get into a "tit for tat" with you about GG and will cease posting to any GG threads since you take umbrage to anything I say about this group member.

Last post - promise! However, I am really interested in what you think might cause my "jealousy."

[Dennis]

Mel - your jealousy? I don't know. Maybe you felt snubbed for not being selected to work a GG tournament or being selected to go to the NGG tournament. Perhaps it is something else. I deal with people all the time and the words you use just imply a level of jealousy.

In regard to the word disdain. One of its synonyms is "dislike". I think your view goes way beyond simple dislike and borders on hatred. You show contempt for the GG in the words you choose.

[boxmel]

Mel - your jealousy? I don't know. Maybe you felt snubbed for not being selected to work a GG tournament or being selected to go to the NGG tournament.

I worked two GG nationals and never went back. I kept getting propositioned during the week by coaches; we were all told that one of Ace Miller's boys was supposed to win and I got cut after not thinking so; they only weighed in the boxers once; most of the officials had never worked a USA Boxing event and it showed; refs were told to not call any fouls, etc., etc., etc. I didn't find it a fun environment and you couldn't pay me to go back - or even do the local and state tournament.

You show contempt for the GG in the words you choose.

Ummm - I can be so much more contemtptous - you have no idea. DD But I'm being good.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Oh, cut it out you two!! Our DC GG tourney is not very good for younger boxers. It's good for a title if you want to say you won the GG tourney, but since the youngsters 1) don't advance 2) only get a small medal and 3) it costs $20-25 per person and $30 at finals for admission- not many family members can support the youngsters. DC GG makes a lot of cash for the reasons you posted - it's popularity. However, the promoter also does a great job of inviting the general public. He'll even refund part of your ticket if you want to leave after seeing the boxer you came for - so he can resell that seat at full price. Genius. Comparatively, the JOs or Silvers which have better younger talent - are really poorly attended in comparison.

[boxmel]

How come there isn't a "sticking out tongue" smiley!

[actionfan]

I can relate to the jealous.You seem to like the way your GG is handled Dennis,and We are jealous since ours is run by someone who doesn't know his ass from his elbow.No local GG in San Diego? Kids must go to L.A. to fight.Norcals are held in Vacaville? What is this?San Francisco venue draws thousands so lets move it to Sacramento or Vacaville? WHo promotes this franchise? Give them a raise!!! How about going from alot of exposure three years ago to basically NONE!!!THis is why boxing is Not what it use to be! in California! (my 2 cents)

[Dennis]

You seem to have a lot of problems in California. A lot of in-fighting and now lawsuits. Good luck.

[boxmel]

WHo promotes this franchise?

John Hardin is the franchise holder for the California GG. He is autocratic and doesn't like USA Boxing or its rules and regulations. You can bring up any dissatisfaction with him but I can guarantee nothing will change.

[actionfan]

California is one of the biggest Franchises.It is suppose to be for the Boxers and clubs to showcase their talent and Gauge how the young fighters compare to their peers.Hardin forgets this.He just sits back with no competent mangers running things in San Diego or Norcal.If he is just looking for easy change without any input,some advice: Sell Golden Gloves T-shirts and hats at K Mart and let someone else run the show!!!! Successful Organizations do what others aren't willing to do!! Does that make sense ?

[boxmel]

He just sits back with no competent mangers running things in San Diego or Norcal.

Rob Coons used to run the California Border (San Diego area) GG tournament until Hardin decided to incorporate that LBC into the So. Cal Assn. event. Sonny Marson used to run the NorCal GG - have no idea what happened there.

[415BOXING]

The NorCal Golden Gloves in Vacaville this year was a joke!Seifudeen Matern of Matern Boxing Club ran the show,though I feel he did a "average" job of running it,this tournament has gone downhill,my son's opening bout,a semi final,was held last Thursday,and though they claimed there was 500 people in attendance,there was no more than 200-250.Saturday,the "finals" night,which it wasn't,there was the same amount of people.The finals night was not that!the 141 & 152 finals were conducted on Thursday night,the champions were encouraged to box on Saturdays final night against a non citizen boxer who entered their brackets,both champions didn't show up,why would they,they already won and advanced,it was a joke,Hardin has no clue at running a tournament.I'm from San Francisco,my gym is here in San Francisco,I could put on this show and make it the way it should be,but there are people who are letting there egos getting in the way instead of thinking about the boxers