match-ups..USA-Ireland 2/27/09 and 3/1

[NYboxing]

Ireland v USA National Stadium Dublin, 27 February (7.30pm)
48kg:Paddy Barnes (Ireland) v Louie Byrd (USA)
51kg:Declan Geraghty (Ireland) v Rau'shee Warren (USA)
54kg:John Joe Nevin (Ireland) v Ernie Garza (USA)
57kg:Carl Frampton (Ireland) v Raynall Williams (USA)
60kg:Ross Hickey (Ireland) v Eric Fowler (USA)
64kg:Philip Sutcliffe (Ireland) v Charles Watson (USA)
69kg:Willie McLoughlin (Ireland) v Javontae Starks (USA)
75kg:Darren O'Neill (Ireland) v Aleem Whitfield (USA)
81kg:Ken Egan (Ireland) v Siju Shabazz (USA)
91kg:Con Sheehan (Ireland) v Paul Koon (USA)
91+kg: Anthony Crampton (Ireland) v Michael Hunter (USA)

60kg: Katie Taylor (Ireland) v Queen Underwood (USA)

Irish v USA Arch Centre Athy, Kildare 1 March (7.30pm)
48kg: Paddy Barnes (Ireland) v Louie Byrd (USA)
51kg: Ruairi Dalton (Ireland) v Rau'shee Warren (USA)
54kg: Ryan Lindberg (Ireland) v Ernie Garza (USA)
57kg: David Oliver Joyce (Ireland) v Raynall Williams (USA)
60kg: Eric Donovan (Ireland) v Eric Fowler (USA)
64kg: John Joe Joyce (Ireland) v Charles Watson (USA)
69kg: Roy Sheahan (Ireland) v Javontae Starks (USA)
75kg: David Joyce (Ireland) v Aleem Whitfield (USA)
81kg: Denis Hogan (Ireland) v Siju Shabazz (USA)
91kg: John Sweeney (Ireland) v Paul Koon (USA)
91+kg: Anthony Crampton (Ireland) v Michael Hunter (USA)

60kg: Katie Taylor (Ireland) v Queen Underwood (USA)

[Dennis]

Louie Byrd has a tough opponent, but Louie is a very good young boxer. I hope he wins both bouts.

My prediction is for a very close dual, especially since it is being held in Ireland. I hope to see the USA win at least 11 of the 22 bouts. I also hope no USA athlete gets injured where they can't compete the second day of competition.

[ringsidemike]

Any local Television broadcasts scheduled in Ireland?

[BigEars]

Any local Television broadcasts scheduled in Ireland?

RTE(the main terrestrial network) will show highlights on Saturday the 7th of March at 2.20 pm(Irish time).
It'll be on a program called OB sport and will be available for people in the US(or anywhere in the World) to watch live or after the event has taken place. Although if you don't see it live it may take a day or two for them to put the program on the website.

http://www.rte.ie/live/index.html-That'll be the link to watch it as shown
http://www.rte.ie/sport/other/audiovideo_index.html That'll be the link for watching it after it is first shown.

[JMac]

Louie Byrd has a tough opponent, but Louie is a very good young boxer. I hope he wins both bouts.

My prediction is for a very close dual, especially since it is being held in Ireland. I hope to see the USA win at least 11 of the 22 bouts. I also hope no USA athlete gets injured where they can't compete the second day of competition.

Paddy Barnes is good so Louie will have his work cut out for him. I am surprised that Alan Reynolds is not boxing at hwt for the 2nd dual. He was runner up to Sheehan in the Irish finals. Reynolds and Egan were on a club team from Ireland that boxed in Baltimore in '00. He's a piece of work which may be why he isn't boxing.

[JOEY DAWEJKO]

Everone lost except for rau'shee warren, raynell williams, and mike hunter. I heard that Mike broke the guys nose and they stopped the fight at the end of the 2nd round. It was a good learning expirience for our other fighters tho! Good luck in the next matchup!!

[NYboxing]

RESULTS: IRELAND 8, USA 3

48kg: Paddy Barnes (Ireland) def. Louie Byrd (USA) - 22-2
51kg: Rau'shee Warren (USA) def. Ruairi Dalton (Ireland) - 15-4
54kg: John Joe Nevin (Ireland) def. Ernie Garza (USA) - 16-1
57kg: Raynell Williams (USA) def. Carl Frampton (Ireland) - 13-10
60kg: Ross Hickey (Ireland) def. Eric Fowler (USA) - 19-6
64kg: Philip Sutcliffe (Ireland) def. Charles Watson (USA) - 13-9
69kg: Willie McLoughlin (Ireland) def. Javontae Starks (USA) - 15-10
75kg: Darren O'Neill (Ireland) def. Aleem Whitfield (USA) - 13-5
81kg: Brendan Fitzpatrick (Ireland) def. Siju Shabazz (USA) - 13-12
91kg: Con Sheahan (Ireland) def. Paul Koon (USA) - 14-4
91+kg: Michael Hunter (USA) stopped Anthony Crampton (Ireland) - RSC-2

women's 60kg: Katie Taylor (Ireland) def. Queen Underwood (USA) - 30-3

(source - IABA - Irish Amateur Boxing Association)

[Dennis]

3-8 in Ireland would probably be 5-6 or 6-5 in a neutral site and probably 7-4 for our team if held in the U.S.

[Dennis]

March 1st - - Ireland v USA (7.30pm) - Arch Centre Athy
1 48kg Paddy Barnes Ireland Beat Louie Byrd USA 17-11
2 51kg Ruairi Dalton Ireland Lost To Rau'shee Warren USA 9-20
3 54kg Ryan Lindberg Ireland Beat Ernie Graza USA 18-6
4 57kg David Oliver Joyce Ireland Beat Raynall Williams USA 6-6 C/B13-12
5 60kg Katie Taylor Ireland Beat Queen Underwood USA RSC2
6 60kg Eric Donovan Ireland Beat Eric Fowler USA 31-7
7 64kg John Joe Joyce Ireland Beat Charles Watson USA 20-2
8 69kg Roy Sheahan Ireland Beat Javontae Starks USA 8-3
9 75kg David Joyce Ireland Cancelled Aleem Whitfield USA
10 81kg Denis Hogan Ireland Beat Siju Shabazz USA 11-8
11 91kg John Sweeney Ireland Lost To Paul Koon USA 19-19 C/B37-45
12 91+kg Anthony Crampton Ireland Cancelled Michael Hunter USA

Totals: USA-2, Ireland-8 with 2 bouts cancelled. The score indicates that Louie Byrd did much better in his second bout against Barnes. I think Byrd could develop into a top international competitor in a few years.

[boxmel]

3-8 in Ireland would probably be 5-6 or 6-5 in a neutral site and probably 7-4 for our team if held in the U.S.

Do you really think so? Looks like we got spanked, for the most part. JMac, your opinion?

[JMac]

3-8 in Ireland would probably be 5-6 or 6-5 in a neutral site and probably 7-4 for our team if held in the U.S.

Do you really think so? Looks like we got spanked, for the most part. JMac, your opinion?

I spoke with one of the officials and he said that the decisions in Dublin were not neccesarily fair. He said many of the Irish felt the same way about the decisions. It wan't so much that they didn't lose but he said the bouts were a lot closer than the scores indicated and some, if were held someplace else may have gone the other way. He said the decisions in Athy were more fair.

[boxmel]

I spoke with one of the officials

Thanks much for your prompt post!

[byrdman66]

Just asking

[Dennis]

Yes, cardio is a huge part of boxing. Running and jump roping are great cardio exercises. For some who require lower impact exercises, biking, roller-blading, ellipticals, stair-climbers, and swimming are great low-impact cardio exercises.

[Coach B]

IMO, running should be done more than all other training aspects of boxing. We all know that a boxer needs stamina and running over anything else will provide that.

[byrdman66]

just

[Coach B]

Our boxer just came back from Ireland also. He only had one fight because his next opponent cancelled. I have heard others talk about coaches trying to change fighters styles whom they just met. I really don't think it can work. Maybe they should consider letting each fighters coach come with them. Just a thought

[ringsidemike]

Interesting question... What do you think about boxers who do NO roadwork? Instead getting their cardio from stepping machines/stationary bikes etc., and swimming? Juan Diaz has had much success and does not 1 stride of roadwork.
I have heard some coaches say that running is essential to proper hip strength and movement.

So I presume that it is clear that running is not essential to cardio training, but is it essential for some muscular movements inside the ring?

[squarering]

Coach B, Only two US boxer did not compete on the second night. One was because
his opponent was unable after the first bout. It was believed his nose was broken, but that was not confirmed and the second was because of a finger injury to a USA boxer and the doctor would not clear him to box. Since I do not feel this is the best place to discuss details of the bouts and particulars on their performance, out of respect for you and your boxer, I urge any coach to call me about any questions or comments they might have. All the boxers should still have contact numbers for the coaching staff. If not, PM me and I will give you my number.

[Coach B]

I know about what happened over in Ireland. I was just giving my opinion. As for our boxer, he very much enjoyed representing our country and would go to another international event if asked to.

[Dennis]

There have been many athletes that have not used running as part of their training. Wladamir Klitschko does a lot of swimming for his cardio due to the impact of running being too hard on his body. I like running as an exercise, but it is not for everyone. However, you need the cardio conditioning so boxers must get it one way or another. James Toney just does a ton of sparring and there have been others who believed that sparring was the best form of conditioning for boxing. It can be good, but can also be very hard on the body.

I personally wouldn't have guys do a lot of running in the days right before competition. If they aren't in condition those last few days aren't going to do it.

I do have my boxers run, but there are some who have reasons they can't do a lot of it so then I have them do alternative cardio work. I do not think running is necessary for ring movement. I prefer the boxers to actually practice moving in the ring for that aspect of the training. Heavy bag and double-end bag work can be a great way to help with the hips too. Here in Michigan there are many days when it is too cold or too icy to be able to safely run outside and not everyone has a health club membership. We get creative to find ways to get them in condition.

[JMac]

Thanks guys for your comments:

I was asking because, My son just got back from Ireland. That is something that the trainer in camp dose not believe in.

If he was talking about Patrick who is the High Performance Director who was with the team in camp and in Ireland. Patrick was the strength and conditioning coach for the Olympic team. He doesn't believe in the old school go out and run 4-5 miles and come back. All the running the Olympic team did was short high intensity interval stuff. The Olympic team was in shape. They lost for other reasons. I'm not sure what they did in camp and in Ireland but I know that they try to introduce training techniques that the USA HPD wants to see the boxers using. Often it is not what they do at home but hopefully will use in the future. If USAB is going to be successful in the future, changes have to be made on how boxers are trained. Amateur boxers and pro boxers need to train differently and many coaches don't realize that.

My son was very disappionted in the camp. the coach that went was trying to change him to fight there way and not his own way. honestly what a coach that dose not know my son change in a week?

Not being there or knowing the whole situation, in camp and on trips, often the boxers personal coach is not there. Sometimes a different set of eyes or a different voice can get a boxer to correct a mistake that maybe their personal coach always tells them about but hearing it from a different coach helps to sink in. In your boxers case, maybe he was being told about mistakes he was making like keeping hands up or something else but he thought they were trying to change his style. Just a thought.

[Dennis]

Thanks guys for your comments:

I was asking because, My son just got back from Ireland. That is something that the trainer in camp dose not believe in.

If he was talking about Patrick who is the High Performance Director who was with the team in camp and in Ireland. Patrick was the strength and conditioning coach for the Olympic team. He doesn't believe in the old school go out and run 4-5 miles and come back. All the running the Olympic team did was short high intensity interval stuff. The Olympic team was in shape. They lost for other reasons. I'm not sure what they did in camp and in Ireland but I know that they try to introduce training techniques that the USA HPD wants to see the boxers using. Often it is not what they do at home but hopefully will use in the future. If USAB is going to be successful in the future, changes have to be made on how boxers are trained. Amateur boxers and pro boxers need to train differently and many coaches don't realize that.

My son was very disappionted in the camp. the coach that went was trying to change him to fight there way and not his own way. honestly what a coach that dose not know my son change in a week?

Not being there or knowing the whole situation, in camp and on trips, often the boxers personal coach is not there. Sometimes a different set of eyes or a different voice can get a boxer to correct a mistake that maybe their personal coach always tells them about but hearing it from a different coach helps to sink in. In your boxers case, maybe he was being told about mistakes he was making like keeping hands up or something else but he thought they were trying to change his style. Just a thought.

Keeping your hands at your waist is a style. Not one that I would recommend. Leading with your chin is another style and another one that I wouldn't recommend. I guess those are two styles that should be changed.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Interesting question... What do you think about boxers who do NO roadwork? Instead getting their cardio from stepping machines/stationary bikes etc., and swimming? Juan Diaz has had much success and does not 1 stride of roadwork.
I have heard some coaches say that running is essential to proper hip strength and movement.

So I presume that it is clear that running is not essential to cardio training, but is it essential for some muscular movements inside the ring?

I read that too about Diaz not running in the past, but it's not true. At least not anymore. He stepped up his running for the JMM fight: http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=25246

There are many ways to compliment and work on cardio, but JD was the first combat sports athlete that I've heard of that has had any success without implementing running in their regimen.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Not being there or knowing the whole situation, in camp and on trips, often the boxers personal coach is not there. Sometimes a different set of eyes or a different voice can get a boxer to correct a mistake that maybe their personal coach always tells them about but hearing it from a different coach helps to sink in. In your boxers case, maybe he was being told about mistakes he was making like keeping hands up or something else but he thought they were trying to change his style. Just a thought.

I think that for a while, USAB coaches are going to have to deal with boxers and their local coaches just looking at any coaching as "trying to change my style" because of the remnants and publicity surrounding Beijing. I think that it's going to take time and a more integrated approach before coaches/boxers are more comfortable and open to direction. It's just a carry over from Olympics. I'm sure that before a lot of boxers went to Ireland their coaches said to watch out for "them" changing your style. Not saying that either side is right or wrong - but I think that may be what's happening. It's like a boxer or coach that says he "was robbed". If you say that and plant that seed - what you're really saying is that the boxer shouldn't change anything about his/her boxing, because they really did win a bout. It prevents growth and prevents analysis of what can be improved in their boxing or training. Similarly, building a wall around yourself mentally to block out any new techniques isn't going to help growth either. You don't have to always agree or implement suggestions, but by keeping an open mind you MIGHT pick up or develop something that may help. IMO, shutting everything out isn't the answer.