The David Haye Problem

[Fatsam]

Haye vs Arroela sounds good to me.

[Neil Jones Jnr]

Haye's deal with Setanta means he has to fight a top ten fighter from one of the four major sanctioning bodies.

So there is a huge list to choose from I've bolded which ones I think are very winnable and have low risk, becuase I do beieve Haye and Booth are worried about getting caught and sparked before getting a money fight against Wlad or Vitali.

WBC
Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba)
Chris Arreola (US) AMERICA/NABF
Alexander Dimitrenko (Ukraine)
David Haye (GB)
Samuel Peter (Nigeria)
Oleg Maskaev (Kazakhstan)
Ray Austin (US) USNBC
James Toney (US)
Odlanier Solis (Cuba) INTL
Kevin Johnson (US)

WBA
1. KALI MEEHAN AUS
2. TARAS BIDENKO (WBA I/C) UKR
3. JOHN RUIZ USA
4. ALEXANDER DIMITRENKO UKR
5. KEVIN JOHNSON USA
6. DAVID HAYE U.K.
7. RAY AUSTIN USA
8. DAVARYLL WILLIAMSON USA
9. CHRIS ARREOLA USA
10. CARL DAVIS DRUMOND C.R.

IBF
1 Alexander Povetkin Russian Federation
2 Chris Arreola United States
3 Eddie Chambers United States
4 Alexander Dimitrenko Ukraine
5 Samuel Peter United States
6 James Toney United States
7 Oleg Maskaev Kazakhstan
8 Hasim Rahman United States
9 Kali Meehan Australia
10 David Haye

WBO
Alexander Dimitrenko (Int-Cont) UKR
2 David Haye GB
3 Chris Arreola USA
4 Alexander Povetkin RUS
5 Samuel Peter NIG
6 James Toney (NABO) USA
7 Denis Boytsov RUS
8 Shane Cameron (Asia-Pacific) (Oriental) NZ
9 Juan Carlos Gomez USA
10 Brian Minto USA

See there are plenty of fights Haye should and can make.

I understand they probably wouldn't want him in against a Ruiz or Toney who could make him look really bad. I also can get leaving out big hitters like Sam Peter, Arreloa etc.

But the truth is if you want to challenge for the Championship of the World you should have to earn it, that said there are lots of fighters I've bolded who Haye should beat comfortably if he's as good as he says he is. IMO Haye was hurt against Barret in the fifth round, and their worried about it happening again, hence getting to Klitchko ASAP

[Scrap]

I think Jnr is spot on

[Adamj1987]

id liek the haye-boystov fight

[Poncey]

Haye's deal with Setanta means he has to fight a top ten fighter from one of the four major sanctioning bodies.

So there is a huge list to choose from I've bolded which ones I think are very winnable and have low risk, becuase I do beieve Haye and Booth are worried about getting caught and sparked before getting a money fight against Wlad or Vitali.

WBC
Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba)
Chris Arreola (US) AMERICA/NABF
Alexander Dimitrenko (Ukraine)
David Haye (GB)
Samuel Peter (Nigeria)
Oleg Maskaev (Kazakhstan)
Ray Austin (US) USNBC
James Toney (US)
Odlanier Solis (Cuba) INTL
Kevin Johnson (US)

WBA
1. KALI MEEHAN AUS
2. TARAS BIDENKO (WBA I/C) UKR
3. JOHN RUIZ USA
4. ALEXANDER DIMITRENKO UKR
5. KEVIN JOHNSON USA
6. DAVID HAYE U.K.
7. RAY AUSTIN USA
8. DAVARYLL WILLIAMSON USA
9. CHRIS ARREOLA USA
10. CARL DAVIS DRUMOND C.R.

IBF
1 Alexander Povetkin Russian Federation
2 Chris Arreola United States
3 Eddie Chambers United States
4 Alexander Dimitrenko Ukraine
5 Samuel Peter United States
6 James Toney United States
7 Oleg Maskaev Kazakhstan
8 Hasim Rahman United States
9 Kali Meehan Australia
10 David Haye

WBO
Alexander Dimitrenko (Int-Cont) UKR
2 David Haye GB
3 Chris Arreola USA
4 Alexander Povetkin RUS
5 Samuel Peter NIG
6 James Toney (NABO) USA
7 Denis Boytsov RUS
8 Shane Cameron (Asia-Pacific) (Oriental) NZ
9 Juan Carlos Gomez USA
10 Brian Minto USA

See there are plenty of fights Haye should and can make.

I understand they probably wouldn't want him in against a Ruiz or Toney who could make him look really bad. I also can get leaving out big hitters like Sam Peter, Arreloa etc.

But the truth is if you want to challenge for the Championship of the World you should have to earn it, that said there are lots of fighters I've bolded who Haye should beat comfortably if he's as good as he says he is. IMO Haye was hurt against Barret in the fifth round, and their worried about it happening again, hence getting to Klitchko ASAP

Good list. Peter is fighting Chambers.

[Poncey]

Kali Meehan posts on the Oz Boxing forum.

[stevieb_8006]

U've missed out Audley!

[Poncey]

Rumour is Arreloa has already turned this down and Dimitrenko has been lined up as a replacement.

[Poncey]

A Yank at a US Promoter. Take it with a pinch of salt. There's been so many Klit rumours lately it's laughable.

[Poncey]

I know for a fact that the US Internet journos have been making some of them up from forums. I can't remember another fight with so much fantasy around it.

Once the Arreloa McCline press conference happens we should know more.

[Neil Jones Jnr]

I know for a fact that the US Internet journos have been making some of them up from forums. I can't remember another fight with so much fantasy around it.

Once the Arreloa McCline press conference happens we should know more.

Hasn't that conference been postponed though?

[Poncey]

I know for a fact that the US Internet journos have been making some of them up from forums. I can't remember another fight with so much fantasy around it.

Once the Arreloa McCline press conference happens we should know more.

Hasn't that conference been postponed though?

Yeah, but no reason has ever been given. Then BS put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5.

[mark thompson]

I think Jnr is spot on

I dont, why hasn't he highlighted Toney ? Haye would destroy him in 5 rounds no danger

[Neil Jones Jnr]

I think Jnr is spot on

I dont, why hasn't he highlighted Toney ? Haye would destroy him in 5 rounds no danger

Well no has ever been able to do that to Toney in 70 fights.

I actually think Haye would beat Toney, but Toney would make Haye look bad doing it, thats why I didn't highlight him or Ruiz.

To be honest if you want to fight for the Championship of the World I think you should be willing to fight anyone.

[Neil Jones Jnr]

Even though Haye has to fight a top ten as part of his Setanta deal and I think the O2 deal tool, I reckon they would accept Audley. And I'd like to see that fight and it's a good warm up.

Haye would probably spark him quickly, but can you imagine if Audley came to fight and thought feck it I'm going for it, it could get interesting.

Bunce could hype it enough for Setanta to go with it.

The press conferences would be brilliant.

Lets be honest we'd all watch it.

Haye might as well, he doesn't seem keen to fight anyone else bar Klitchko

[Neil Jones Jnr]

there is a time when all boxers suddenly get old and imo Toney is at that stage and would be there against any top heavy who is in condition. I think Ruiz is a good test for Haye and a name.[/quote]

Ruiz is a tough bastard to beat though. I don't think Haye could blow him out and if anything I'd fancy Ruiz to break his heart and stop Haye if I'm honest

[Boxingmad]

Anyone for David Haye v Martin Rogan?

[Neil Jones Jnr]

there is a time when all boxers suddenly get old and imo Toney is at that stage and would be there against any top heavy who is in condition. I think Ruiz is a good test for Haye and a name.

Ruiz is a tough bastard to beat though. I don't think Haye could blow him out and if anything I'd fancy Ruiz to break his heart and stop Haye if I'm honest

the fact that Ruiz is a tough bastard is why he would make an excellent oponent for Haye.[/quote]
As I've earlier stated Mark I think to call yourself the best yuou should beat the best. But I can also see it from Haymakers point of view, that Ruiz is a big risk and if he loses its a long way back, even if he wins it'll be hard to look doing it.

Their plan IMO is to get to Wlad and hopefully land a bomb

[josh fg]

I'd deffinatly go for the Ruiz fight, it would be a very recognisable name who is willing to travell over hear to fight him, both would come to win and I think it would be much like the Fragomeni fight for Haye and exactly the kind of fight he should be taking at heavyweight (1) to get the shot (2) to get exposior (3) as Haye is a young fighter -only 29- and also an unproven heavyweight I think the experiance of fighting someone who is hard to beat and who he may not KO is a good thing for him to do.

[banjo]

Anyone for David Haye v Martin Rogan?

No disrespect to Rogan but that fight wouldn't do much for Haye, Haye needs to be taking on highly ranked and well known fighters to increase interest and exposure for a potential title fight.

[josh fg]

Anyone for David Haye v Martin Rogan?

No disrespect to Rogan but that fight wouldn't do much for Haye, Haye needs to be taking on highly ranked and well known fighters to increase interest and exposure for a potential title fight.

I think if skelton had beat Rogan that would have been a good fight as he was commonwealth champion (a belt is always nice even a crap one) and he'd recently put in a good show in a world title fight. But Rogan doesn't have a very extencive record and has no international repuation, if its a british fighter it should be Audley as a main event or Sprott as a making time fight on an undercard.

[crusader]

If Haye wants to be taken seriously he needs to face a known world class guy. It looks bad when you call out the best HW in the world then fight domestic opposition in your next bout, and so far thats all Rogan is.

[Carbo]

Chris Arreola. Arreola, tee-hee.

[crusader]

Chris Arreola. Arreola, tee-hee.

Lol, its even funnier because he has a pair of man boobs.

[fist]

Why has David Haye been so inactive in his career? Only 22 fights over 6 years or so - thats a part timer.