Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Someone went to Little Joe's, in what used to be an Italian neighborhood but is now Chinatown, and swiped an ashtray. Although the restaurant closed years ago, the building remains, although it has been heavily modified over the years.


After 101 years of helping feed Los Angeles, the famed Italian restaurant in the middle of Chinatown announced that it is closing.

"This is awful, just awful," moaned Neil Olsen, who has dined at Little Joe's since 1936--when he was a 5-year-old who regularly accompanied his parents for spaghetti dinners.

Olsen, a Palos Verdes lawyer, had his own son in tow Wednesday when waitress Alberta Wenzel served their antipasto and broke the news that Dec. 5 will be Little Joe's last day.

"It's progress, I guess," said Wenzel, who has waited on tables there for 27 years.

Kent Olsen stared at his plate and shook his head. A Torrance business executive, Olsen is 27 himself--and has been coming to Little Joe's since he was an infant.

"This is progress? What kind of progress do you have when a landmark is torn down?" the son asked his father.

Across the restaurant, on the other side of the 50-foot-long hand-painted canvas mural that separates the dining room from the bar, Little Joe's co-owner was asking himself the same question.

Bob Nuccio is the great-grandson of the restaurant's founder. That makes Little Joe's one of Los Angeles' oldest family owned and operated businesses, he said.

Nuccio, his brother Steve and their mother, Marion, decided to close because the restaurant needs to be remodeled and updated.

But to do that, they would be required to retrofit the 112-year-old building to make it earthquake-resistant and make it comply with the federal Americans With Disabilities Act.

That would cost $800,000, more than they can afford.

"We decided to go out with our heads high, while the building still looks good," said Nuccio, 45, of Pasadena.

"We could have driven until the wheels fell off, but that's not right."

Little Joe's roots go back to the turn of the century.

It was started by Italian-born Charley Viotto at the corner of 5th and Hewitt streets in 1897 as the Italian-American Grocery Co.

When the city's Italian immigrant community relocated to the North Broadway area after the turn of the century, the grocery store followed--moving to the ground level of a three-story hotel at the corner of Broadway and College Street in 1927.
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Bolton's Amir Khan fairly leaps on to the world stage against Mexico's inimitable Marco Antonio Barrera at the MEN Arena in Manchester this Saturday night (March 14).
Lightweight Khan faces one of the greatest fighting machines of all time at the same arena where he was smashed in 54 seconds by unknown Colombian Breidis Prescott just five months ago. OK, the 22-year-old Khan has since dumped a mysterious Cuban trainer for American 'name' Freddie Roach and blown away an Irish cloakroom attendant by the name of Oisin Fagan, but it still seems an incredibly hasty decision to take on Barrera so soon after a shattering defeat, so soon into a three-and-a-half year career, even a supposedly 'shot' Barrera.
Barrera was beaten back-to-back by back-to-back greats Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez in 2007, both on points in 12-rounders. He returned last November and has overcome a couple of obscure Amercians since (picking up a cut against one). In his first ever fights at lightweight, Barrera looked old and chubby - he looked poor. Nevertheless, on the evidence of two showings - of two wins - Barrera is said by many in the British media to be 'shot' . Such an assumption smacks of the famous line in the Thrilla' in Manila. "They said you were through, Joe."
"They lied."
Barrera, 65-6 (43), a pro since 1989, represents a massive gamble for Khan and his team and would surely be favoured to outsmart the heavy handed Prescott, by way of an analogy. As for another analogy, I am old enough to remember a 'shot' Ayub Kalule coming over here to face Liverpool's talented and unbeaten Jimmy Price at the Alexandra Palace in North London in 1984. Kalule, just like Barrera, had lost to a couple of top fighters (Davey Moore and Mike McCallum) and was moving up from his established weight to face middleweight Price.
Kalule destroyed Price inside a round.
Nevertheless, Khan, 19-1 (15), is undoubtedly bigger than Barrera, and probably faster, too. His speed and strength might surprise the great man. He has added advantages of youth, hunger, home advantage and that man Roach, of course, who guided Pacquiao to two huge wins over Barrera. Motivation is always a biggie. Where does Barrera draw his from these days?
The plan must be for Khan to get on his bike and outbox the ageing, rusty, only reasonably interested Barrera, as Khan cantered to a landslide decision over former world super-featherweight champion Gairy St Clair last February in London. St Clair barely landed a punch. Khan can stick and move for the full 12 rounds at a hot pace; Barrera might be too old to chase such a shadow
Also on the Khan-Barrera show in Manchester, Dagenham stylist Nicky Cook makes the first defence of his WBO super-featherweight title against Puerto Rican threat Roman Martinez.
It is a mandatory defence.
The gritty, clever, stiff-punching Cook wrested the title with a shock but unanimous decision over Edinburgh puncher Alex Arthur last September in Manchester. After nine worthy years at featherweight, 29-year-old Nicky proved a revelation at super-featherweight as he outworked a flat-looking Arthur and finished much the stronger of the two. Some fighters really struggle when they move up in weight; other fighters make it look easy. Cook made it look easy. Sure, everyone said Arthur was dead at the weight but they had been saying that for years. "Amazing" Alex went into the Cook defence on a long winning run.
"Rocky" Martinez is unbeaten in 22 fights (one draw) since turning pro in December 2001 and earned his ranking when he came through 12-round wars with Dominican warriors Francisco Lorenzo and Daniel Jimenez in 2007. He ticked over with four wins last year and looks like a great prospect at 25 - sharp, talented and quite heavy handed. Like Nicky he has plenty of height and reach for his weight. The draw on his record came in 2003 in Miami with a Colombian by the name of Jose Leonardo Cruz, 9-0 at the time, who never went on to achieve anything, although you cannot sniff at 9-0.
You know, Martinez has NEVER fought outside of America or Puerto Rico and might be a little inexperienced on the world scene. He failed to stop lanky Colombian southpaw Walter Estrada over 10 rounds in December, a man our own Kevin Mitchell (Nicky's sparmate) had caught up with in five rounds earlier last year. Cook, in contrast, has lost only to slick American southpaw Steven Luevano in 30 outings, the current WBO featherweight champion, and held British, Commonwealth and European featherweight titles in his time. He enjoys a real edge in seasoning, and home advantage, of course, and super-featherweight suits him.
Cook boxes and punches his way to a close, hard-earned decision.
Also on the big bill, Welshman Enzo Maccarinelli takes on American-based Nigerian Ola "Kryptonite" Afolabi for the 'interim' WBO cruiserweight title.
This is a good-looking clash of boxer v puncher. Maccarinelli blew away full heavyweight Matthew Ellis in his last outing in December, after several cruiserweights ducked out of a showdown with the frightening Swansea giant who has already held the WBO title (proper), losing it to new heavyweight sensation David Haye a year ago.
The flashy, sharp-boxing Afolabi brings less experience but raised his profile enormously last April when he outlasted and stopped previously unbeaten Eric Fields in 10 shock rounds. Fields was coming off a first-round blastout of Kelvin “Koncrete” Davis but Afolabi proved slick in the early rounds and then picked his punches nicely, dropping Fields three times before the stoppage. Promoted by the Duvas, Afolabi has lost only to world class super-middleweight Allan “Sweetness” Green in 17 outings, in their light-heavyweight days (on points in a four-rounder). Green later crushed New Yorker Jaidon Codrington in 18 seconds
Afolabi looks highly capable with a smooth, relaxed American approach and will make this return trip with confidence (he was born in London), but Maccarinelli has been given the runaround recently and looks all set to let the big punches fly to regain the belt.
Bennie...Thanks for the great write-up Saturday's fight card, btw are you going?
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Looking north on El Centro St. the "Hollywood Legion Stadium" building is on the right, and if you look further up the street into the Hollywood Hills, you'll see the legendary "Hollywood Sign" overlooking the site of the "Boxing Arena of the Stars". When Hap Navarro made a match, the Hollywood film cummunity would turn out to see it. In the day, if you wanted to see movie stars in Southern California, you didn't go to the "Brown Derby" restaurant, you went to the "Hollywood Legion Stadium" and checked out who was sitting ringside.

-Rick Farris
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The "Hollywood Legion Stadium" of past, is a Balley's Fitness Center today.
Los Angels and World Boxing history was made here, the product of men such as Hap Navarro, Charlie McDonald, Baron Von Stumme and boxers such as the original "Golden Boy" Art Aragon, Enrique Bolanos, Manuel Ortiz, Gil Cadilli, Keeny Teran and too many others to list here.

-Rick Farris
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Hap's "Watering Hole" . . .

This is the "Blue Palms Bar" today. The back door was located right off the alley seperating it from the Hollyood Legion Stadium. This was where the fight crowd would show up after "Fight Night" and was Hap Navarro's "Office away from the office". If you look on the sidewalk, you'll see the stars on Hollywood Blvd's "Walk of Fame". The star directly in front of the Blue Palms front door is that of the late actress, Yvonne DeCarlo.

-Rick Farris
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Any of you L.A. boys been to the late "Little Joe's" up on N.Broadway and the Avenues?
It was a fun place to go.... :TU:
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Rick Farris wrote:Beautiful Rick. Happy Birthday my friend and may you have many, many more. It's your birthday but we get the gift. You are currently "in the zone". Lucky for us. That was so vivid for a moment I thought I was in the car with you and Monica. I wasn't, was I?

You remember Mel was quite a writer himself. I think he would really like what you've been doing. In fact I'm sure of it.
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Thanks, Randy . . . but my birthday was in late January. I'm an Aquarian, born in the "Year of the Dragon."

And just for the record, you WERE in the car with Monica and I. After shooting the photos, I accessed this forum from my I-Phone, and I saw the photo from your first pro boxing license. I showed it to Monica before driving away. We must be channeling each other, which is very Hollywood! :o :lol:

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Oops, I misunderstood. Regardless, the sentiment is there anyway.

Randy :oops:
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kikibalt wrote:Any of you L.A. boys been to the late "Little Joe's" up on N.Broadway and the Avenues?
It was a fun place to go.... :TU:
Funny you mentioned that Frank. I was talking recently about Little Joe's with my mother recently and she mentioned that she and my father used to go there quite often, years ago. It was a popular spot years ago. I have personally never been there, though I know exactly where it is/was located.

Randy :TU:
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Any of you L.A. boys been to the late "Little Joe's" up on N.Broadway and the Avenues?
It was a fun place to go.... :TU:
Funny you mentioned that Frank. I was talking recently about Little Joe's with my mother recently and she mentioned that she and my father used to go there quite often, years ago. It was a popular spot years ago. I have personally never been there, though I know exactly where it is/was located.

Randy :TU:
Randy...I used to go there often, sometimes after the fights to have a drink or two, would also eat now and then, though I never have been a big fan of Italian food, too much cheese, and I HATE cheese.... :witzend:
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kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Bolton's Amir Khan fairly leaps on to the world stage against Mexico's inimitable Marco Antonio Barrera at the MEN Arena in Manchester this Saturday night (March 14).
Lightweight Khan faces one of the greatest fighting machines of all time at the same arena where he was smashed in 54 seconds by unknown Colombian Breidis Prescott just five months ago. OK, the 22-year-old Khan has since dumped a mysterious Cuban trainer for American 'name' Freddie Roach and blown away an Irish cloakroom attendant by the name of Oisin Fagan, but it still seems an incredibly hasty decision to take on Barrera so soon after a shattering defeat, so soon into a three-and-a-half year career, even a supposedly 'shot' Barrera.
Barrera was beaten back-to-back by back-to-back greats Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez in 2007, both on points in 12-rounders. He returned last November and has overcome a couple of obscure Amercians since (picking up a cut against one). In his first ever fights at lightweight, Barrera looked old and chubby - he looked poor. Nevertheless, on the evidence of two showings - of two wins - Barrera is said by many in the British media to be 'shot' . Such an assumption smacks of the famous line in the Thrilla' in Manila. "They said you were through, Joe."
"They lied."
Barrera, 65-6 (43), a pro since 1989, represents a massive gamble for Khan and his team and would surely be favoured to outsmart the heavy handed Prescott, by way of an analogy. As for another analogy, I am old enough to remember a 'shot' Ayub Kalule coming over here to face Liverpool's talented and unbeaten Jimmy Price at the Alexandra Palace in North London in 1984. Kalule, just like Barrera, had lost to a couple of top fighters (Davey Moore and Mike McCallum) and was moving up from his established weight to face middleweight Price.
Kalule destroyed Price inside a round.
Nevertheless, Khan, 19-1 (15), is undoubtedly bigger than Barrera, and probably faster, too. His speed and strength might surprise the great man. He has added advantages of youth, hunger, home advantage and that man Roach, of course, who guided Pacquiao to two huge wins over Barrera. Motivation is always a biggie. Where does Barrera draw his from these days?
The plan must be for Khan to get on his bike and outbox the ageing, rusty, only reasonably interested Barrera, as Khan cantered to a landslide decision over former world super-featherweight champion Gairy St Clair last February in London. St Clair barely landed a punch. Khan can stick and move for the full 12 rounds at a hot pace; Barrera might be too old to chase such a shadow
Also on the Khan-Barrera show in Manchester, Dagenham stylist Nicky Cook makes the first defence of his WBO super-featherweight title against Puerto Rican threat Roman Martinez.
It is a mandatory defence.
The gritty, clever, stiff-punching Cook wrested the title with a shock but unanimous decision over Edinburgh puncher Alex Arthur last September in Manchester. After nine worthy years at featherweight, 29-year-old Nicky proved a revelation at super-featherweight as he outworked a flat-looking Arthur and finished much the stronger of the two. Some fighters really struggle when they move up in weight; other fighters make it look easy. Cook made it look easy. Sure, everyone said Arthur was dead at the weight but they had been saying that for years. "Amazing" Alex went into the Cook defence on a long winning run.
"Rocky" Martinez is unbeaten in 22 fights (one draw) since turning pro in December 2001 and earned his ranking when he came through 12-round wars with Dominican warriors Francisco Lorenzo and Daniel Jimenez in 2007. He ticked over with four wins last year and looks like a great prospect at 25 - sharp, talented and quite heavy handed. Like Nicky he has plenty of height and reach for his weight. The draw on his record came in 2003 in Miami with a Colombian by the name of Jose Leonardo Cruz, 9-0 at the time, who never went on to achieve anything, although you cannot sniff at 9-0.
You know, Martinez has NEVER fought outside of America or Puerto Rico and might be a little inexperienced on the world scene. He failed to stop lanky Colombian southpaw Walter Estrada over 10 rounds in December, a man our own Kevin Mitchell (Nicky's sparmate) had caught up with in five rounds earlier last year. Cook, in contrast, has lost only to slick American southpaw Steven Luevano in 30 outings, the current WBO featherweight champion, and held British, Commonwealth and European featherweight titles in his time. He enjoys a real edge in seasoning, and home advantage, of course, and super-featherweight suits him.
Cook boxes and punches his way to a close, hard-earned decision.
Also on the big bill, Welshman Enzo Maccarinelli takes on American-based Nigerian Ola "Kryptonite" Afolabi for the 'interim' WBO cruiserweight title.
This is a good-looking clash of boxer v puncher. Maccarinelli blew away full heavyweight Matthew Ellis in his last outing in December, after several cruiserweights ducked out of a showdown with the frightening Swansea giant who has already held the WBO title (proper), losing it to new heavyweight sensation David Haye a year ago.
The flashy, sharp-boxing Afolabi brings less experience but raised his profile enormously last April when he outlasted and stopped previously unbeaten Eric Fields in 10 shock rounds. Fields was coming off a first-round blastout of Kelvin “Koncrete” Davis but Afolabi proved slick in the early rounds and then picked his punches nicely, dropping Fields three times before the stoppage. Promoted by the Duvas, Afolabi has lost only to world class super-middleweight Allan “Sweetness” Green in 17 outings, in their light-heavyweight days (on points in a four-rounder). Green later crushed New Yorker Jaidon Codrington in 18 seconds
Afolabi looks highly capable with a smooth, relaxed American approach and will make this return trip with confidence (he was born in London), but Maccarinelli has been given the runaround recently and looks all set to let the big punches fly to regain the belt.
Bennie...Thanks for the great write-up Saturday's fight card, btw are you going?
Nope, Frankie, I'm going to another fine clash on the SAME night (typical, ain't it?) in nearby Birmingham. It is a British middleweight title fight featuring two Birmingham men in Birmingham. It could be another Duarte-Davila II (well, not THAT good).
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Okay, Bennie, be sure to report back on that card.... :box:
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kikibalt wrote:Okay, Bennie, be sure to report back on that card.... :box:
I can tell you this already, Frankie. A guy from Birmingham will emerge holding the famous Lonsdale Belt. :wink:
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Rick Farris wrote:More contemporary photos of legendary Southern Cal boxing sites . . .

In the future, I'll share a little piece of my old "stomping grounds", Burbank, California. In 1952, when I was born, Burbank was home to the "Jim Jeffries Barn", and a home that also belonged to the former heavyweight champ, cross corner from the barn at the intersection of Buena Vista St. & Victory Blvd.

If the barn was still in place, it would sit right in the front parking lot of a super market. Today you can find it at "Knott's Berry Farm", it's home since 1954. The house was razed shortly after the death of Jeffries, and today a gas station marks the spot.

Tom Ray can fill us in on the history of Jeffries, and in due course I'll provide some contemporary photos of the site.

Monica is my photographer, and we're having fun with this.


-Rick Farris
Here is a little bit. Not long after Jeff died, a permanent memorial was proposed when the San Fernando Valley Historical Society announced plans to purchase his home and turn it into a museum and meeting place for local civic groups. After years of discussion, the proposal failed when the group was unable to raise the $60,000 necessary to purchase the residence. The once beautiful house sat vacant for several years and eventually became an eyesore. It was finally condemned and demolished in February 1960 after it was damaged by arsonists.

As we all know, the famous “Jeffries Barn” faired better. Immediately after Jeffries’ death, a developer announced plans to buy the land, raze the barn, and construct an apartment complex on the site. Later, a hotel was suggested for the location, but ultimately the International Association of Machinists built a union hall there. I bet Rick remembers that hall. In 1954, the barn itself was moved board-by-board to the Knott’s Berry Farm amusement park in Buena Park, California. Although for many years it was operated as a boxing museum, the barn now houses a doll collection; only a small plaque in the back of the building identifies its association with the former world’s champion. As Rick said, a grocery store sits on the sit of the barn. Accross the street, at the location of Jeff's home, sits a strip mall.

Jeffries himself is now barely remembered in his adopted home town of Burbank. There is a “Jeffries Street” two blocks south from the site of his home, but his only real memorial is a small exhibit at the Burbank Historical Society Museum. According to the museum curator, nobody visits the museum just to look at the Jeffries exhibit (well, I did); it is only enjoyed as an aside by those who go there for another reason and are surprised that a world heavyweight champion once lived in Burbank. As a mentioned before, I have made some effort to get a state historical marker erected at Buena Vista and Victory, but I can't even get anybody in Sacramento to return my letters. A marker was installed in the sidewalk in front of Jeffries home on the occasion of his 75th birthday in 1950, but that marker vanished long ago, probably when they tore down the house in 1960.
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Rick Farris wrote:Where Hap made it happen . . .

I started the morning talking with Frank on the phone. We shared some warm memories of Johnnie Flores, his brilliant story telling, etc. Now I was in the mood for some history, something to see and to share. I knew where to go, and where to look when I got there. The words of Hap Navarro were my guide. It wasn't the first time, and it won't be the last because we are now reconstructing a brilliant era in Los Angeles boxing. Most true L.A. historians believe it to be Los Angeles' "Golden Era" of boxing.

Today, I am 57-years-old, I began my boxing career in L.A. nearly forty-five years ago. I believe this qualifies "my opinion", as I came up in a pretty hot era myself, the one that followed L.A.'s "Golden Era of Boxing". And just for the record, I am not ignorant to what went on in this town in previous eras of the last century, thanks to Mr. Navarro.

My wife had some business downtown, so we took care of it and then headed for Hollywood. We parked the car on El Centro, by the curb fronting the old Hollywood Legion Stadium, today a Balley's Fitness center. As I sat behind the wheel of my car, motor running, I asked Monica to photograph the building from across the street, and she wisely took the initiative to take another facing up the street, toward the Hollywood Hills. When she returned to the car she was smiling.

"I took one photo that shows the Hollywood Sign up in the hills," she said, "it lines up perfect with the Legion building."

I'd never noticed before, but she was right. It was as if the legendary "Hollywood Sign" was aligned with the building that once housed the city's most popular boxing arena. Maybe that's why the stars (movie stars) lined up in numbers to attend boxing matches at the "Hollywood Legion". There's something magic about the area.

This is still Hollywood, jaded and faded, but still where people come to find their dreams. In days past, many dreams were found under the roof of what is today a Balley's Fitness Center.

"Let's go around the corner and get a shot of the Blue Palms Bar, Hap's watering hole," I suggested. I just wanted a quick shot, nothing to artsy this time, just want the guys to get an idea. I'll go deeper later, inside the buildings, take better photos, get more info. After shooting the front, we went around to a side parking lot which gave me a shot of the building's back side, off the alley.

As I walked up to the back of the Henry Fonda Theatre, where I could access the Blue Palms back door, I see that the area is protected by a chain link fence. The theatre is now a music venue ("The Music Box") and rock bands load in-and-out back stage from there. A young rock band "roadie" was locking the gate when I jog up and ask, "You mind if I get a picture before you lock up?"

The young man smiled and said, "Go ahead." We struck up a brief conversation and I told him why I wanted to shoot the bar's rear door. I told him about the Hollywood Legion, what the bar once was to the fight crowd, etc. He was a boxing fan and seemed to enjoy the history. "Wow, I had no idea. That was a boxing arena, huh?" pointing to Balley's.

"Yes it was. One of the best in boxing history." I answered.


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Rick is as young as the woman he feels. :wink:
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Torreon update
Update from Torreon, Mexico: On Wednesday, both, David Rodriguez and Austin Trout put in early cardio sessions and a gym workout at 4 p.m. Trainer Louie Burke called it a light day, due to tapering down for Saturday night. "The show appears to be well promoted," says Burke. "Posters and large banners are posted all over town, and we've done four TV interviews since we got here--at times, rest is hard to come by." Burke, Rodriguez and Trout have had he opportunity to train with champions Celestino Caballero and Cristian Mijares, while meeting former greats Pipino Cuevas, Ruben Olivarez and Ultimino Ramos.
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"We still haven't seen Austin's opponent," says Burke. "And I'm getting a bad feeling. We're assured a fight and Austin's still been in on the interviews, so we hope everything is ok." Stay tuned
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My friend sent me some more jokes. I hope you enjoy them:

These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts, and are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now published by court reporters that had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place.

ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?
WITNESS: He said, 'Where am I, Cathy?'
ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?
WITNESS: My name is Becky!
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ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?
WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.
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ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?
WITNESS: No, I just lie there.
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ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
WITNESS: I forget.
ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?
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ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo?
WITNESS: We both do.
ATTORNEY: Voodoo?
WITNESS: We do.
ATTORNEY: You do?
WITNESS: Yes, voodoo.
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ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep,
he doesn't know about it until the next morning?
WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
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ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?
WITNESS: He's twenty, much like your IQ.
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ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
WITNESS: Are you kidding me?
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ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
WITNESS: getting laid
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ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?
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ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
WITNESS: By death.
ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
WITNESS: Take a guess.

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ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard.
ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I'm going with male.
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ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Doctor, how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.
_________________________________________

ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?
WITNESS: Oral.
_________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.
ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?
WITNESS: If not, he was by the time I finished.
____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?
______________________________________

And the best for last:

ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.
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I'm on a roll now!! :TU: :TU: :TU: Another friend sent me these tax jokes:

I am definitely not saying these highly complimentary things about this awesomely talented public official merely because it's dangerous to take on a sitting Treasury secretary at tax time. That's a little like begging for an audit, not to mention a cavity search by friendly G-men. New York Times 2-09-09

Rooting for Tiger Woods is like rooting for the Internal Revenue Service. It's like pulling for the New York Yankees against the Bad News Bears. It's as inspiring as cheering for a hedge fund, Courier Journal, 6-17-08


THEY COME ON APRIL 15TH DEAR

(To the tune It Came Upon a Midnight Clear)

They come on April 15th dear,
To take away our gold.
Tax men unmoved by plea or tear,
It makes your blood run cold.

Oh income tax! You break our backs,
The government takes all.
A thief by any other name
Would never have such gall.


A client quote:: If my business gets much worse, I won't have to lie on my next tax return.


Capital Punishment: Congress comes up with a new tax.


Drive carefully. Uncle Sam needs every taxpayer he can get.


Children may be deductible, but they are still taxing.
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raylawpc wrote:My friend sent me some more jokes. I hope you enjoy them:

These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts, and are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now published by court reporters that had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place.

ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?
WITNESS: He said, 'Where am I, Cathy?'
ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?
WITNESS: My name is Becky!
____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?
WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.
____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?
WITNESS: No, I just lie there.
____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
WITNESS: I forget.
ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?
___________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo?
WITNESS: We both do.
ATTORNEY: Voodoo?
WITNESS: We do.
ATTORNEY: You do?
WITNESS: Yes, voodoo.
____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep,
he doesn't know about it until the next morning?
WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
____________________________________

ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?
WITNESS: He's twenty, much like your IQ.
___________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
WITNESS: Are you kidding me?
_________________________________________

ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
WITNESS: getting laid
____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?
____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
WITNESS: By death.
ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
WITNESS: Take a guess.

____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard.
ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I'm going with male.
_____________________________________

ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Doctor, how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.
_________________________________________

ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?
WITNESS: Oral.
_________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.
ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?
WITNESS: If not, he was by the time I finished.
____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?
______________________________________

And the best for last:

ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.
Tom, those were hilarious! I'm going to copy them and email them to some friends. :lol:

Randy :lol: :TU:
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I'm glad you enjoyed them, Randy. :TU:
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bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Bolton's Amir Khan fairly leaps on to the world stage against Mexico's inimitable Marco Antonio Barrera at the MEN Arena in Manchester this Saturday night (March 14).
Lightweight Khan faces one of the greatest fighting machines of all time at the same arena where he was smashed in 54 seconds by unknown Colombian Breidis Prescott just five months ago. OK, the 22-year-old Khan has since dumped a mysterious Cuban trainer for American 'name' Freddie Roach and blown away an Irish cloakroom attendant by the name of Oisin Fagan, but it still seems an incredibly hasty decision to take on Barrera so soon after a shattering defeat, so soon into a three-and-a-half year career, even a supposedly 'shot' Barrera.
Barrera was beaten back-to-back by back-to-back greats Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez in 2007, both on points in 12-rounders. He returned last November and has overcome a couple of obscure Amercians since (picking up a cut against one). In his first ever fights at lightweight, Barrera looked old and chubby - he looked poor. Nevertheless, on the evidence of two showings - of two wins - Barrera is said by many in the British media to be 'shot' . Such an assumption smacks of the famous line in the Thrilla' in Manila. "They said you were through, Joe."
"They lied."
Barrera, 65-6 (43), a pro since 1989, represents a massive gamble for Khan and his team and would surely be favoured to outsmart the heavy handed Prescott, by way of an analogy. As for another analogy, I am old enough to remember a 'shot' Ayub Kalule coming over here to face Liverpool's talented and unbeaten Jimmy Price at the Alexandra Palace in North London in 1984. Kalule, just like Barrera, had lost to a couple of top fighters (Davey Moore and Mike McCallum) and was moving up from his established weight to face middleweight Price.
Kalule destroyed Price inside a round.
Nevertheless, Khan, 19-1 (15), is undoubtedly bigger than Barrera, and probably faster, too. His speed and strength might surprise the great man. He has added advantages of youth, hunger, home advantage and that man Roach, of course, who guided Pacquiao to two huge wins over Barrera. Motivation is always a biggie. Where does Barrera draw his from these days?
The plan must be for Khan to get on his bike and outbox the ageing, rusty, only reasonably interested Barrera, as Khan cantered to a landslide decision over former world super-featherweight champion Gairy St Clair last February in London. St Clair barely landed a punch. Khan can stick and move for the full 12 rounds at a hot pace; Barrera might be too old to chase such a shadow
Also on the Khan-Barrera show in Manchester, Dagenham stylist Nicky Cook makes the first defence of his WBO super-featherweight title against Puerto Rican threat Roman Martinez.
It is a mandatory defence.
The gritty, clever, stiff-punching Cook wrested the title with a shock but unanimous decision over Edinburgh puncher Alex Arthur last September in Manchester. After nine worthy years at featherweight, 29-year-old Nicky proved a revelation at super-featherweight as he outworked a flat-looking Arthur and finished much the stronger of the two. Some fighters really struggle when they move up in weight; other fighters make it look easy. Cook made it look easy. Sure, everyone said Arthur was dead at the weight but they had been saying that for years. "Amazing" Alex went into the Cook defence on a long winning run.
"Rocky" Martinez is unbeaten in 22 fights (one draw) since turning pro in December 2001 and earned his ranking when he came through 12-round wars with Dominican warriors Francisco Lorenzo and Daniel Jimenez in 2007. He ticked over with four wins last year and looks like a great prospect at 25 - sharp, talented and quite heavy handed. Like Nicky he has plenty of height and reach for his weight. The draw on his record came in 2003 in Miami with a Colombian by the name of Jose Leonardo Cruz, 9-0 at the time, who never went on to achieve anything, although you cannot sniff at 9-0.
You know, Martinez has NEVER fought outside of America or Puerto Rico and might be a little inexperienced on the world scene. He failed to stop lanky Colombian southpaw Walter Estrada over 10 rounds in December, a man our own Kevin Mitchell (Nicky's sparmate) had caught up with in five rounds earlier last year. Cook, in contrast, has lost only to slick American southpaw Steven Luevano in 30 outings, the current WBO featherweight champion, and held British, Commonwealth and European featherweight titles in his time. He enjoys a real edge in seasoning, and home advantage, of course, and super-featherweight suits him.
Cook boxes and punches his way to a close, hard-earned decision.
Also on the big bill, Welshman Enzo Maccarinelli takes on American-based Nigerian Ola "Kryptonite" Afolabi for the 'interim' WBO cruiserweight title.
This is a good-looking clash of boxer v puncher. Maccarinelli blew away full heavyweight Matthew Ellis in his last outing in December, after several cruiserweights ducked out of a showdown with the frightening Swansea giant who has already held the WBO title (proper), losing it to new heavyweight sensation David Haye a year ago.
The flashy, sharp-boxing Afolabi brings less experience but raised his profile enormously last April when he outlasted and stopped previously unbeaten Eric Fields in 10 shock rounds. Fields was coming off a first-round blastout of Kelvin “Koncrete” Davis but Afolabi proved slick in the early rounds and then picked his punches nicely, dropping Fields three times before the stoppage. Promoted by the Duvas, Afolabi has lost only to world class super-middleweight Allan “Sweetness” Green in 17 outings, in their light-heavyweight days (on points in a four-rounder). Green later crushed New Yorker Jaidon Codrington in 18 seconds
Afolabi looks highly capable with a smooth, relaxed American approach and will make this return trip with confidence (he was born in London), but Maccarinelli has been given the runaround recently and looks all set to let the big punches fly to regain the belt.
A great review Bennie, as usual, and one that I agree with. Anything can and has happened in a fight but as you say it is " an incredibly hasty decision". The old boys of the sweet science have been performing quite well lately, well, some of them anyways. Roach better have a hell of a game plan up his sleeve because inspite of any shortcomings Barrera might have at his age, he still posses a warrior's heart.

Randy :TU:
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raylawpc wrote:I'm on a roll now!! :TU: :TU: :TU: Another friend sent me these tax jokes:

I am definitely not saying these highly complimentary things about this awesomely talented public official merely because it's dangerous to take on a sitting Treasury secretary at tax time. That's a little like begging for an audit, not to mention a cavity search by friendly G-men. New York Times 2-09-09

Rooting for Tiger Woods is like rooting for the Internal Revenue Service. It's like pulling for the New York Yankees against the Bad News Bears. It's as inspiring as cheering for a hedge fund, Courier Journal, 6-17-08


THEY COME ON APRIL 15TH DEAR

(To the tune It Came Upon a Midnight Clear)

They come on April 15th dear,
To take away our gold.
Tax men unmoved by plea or tear,
It makes your blood run cold.

Oh income tax! You break our backs,
The government takes all.
A thief by any other name
Would never have such gall.


A client quote:: If my business gets much worse, I won't have to lie on my next tax return.


Capital Punishment: Congress comes up with a new tax.


Drive carefully. Uncle Sam needs every taxpayer he can get.


Children may be deductible, but they are still taxing.
Tax's is what we pay for our system of government.... :lol:
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bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Also on the Khan-Barrera show in Manchester, Dagenham stylist Nicky Cook makes the first defence of his WBO super-featherweight title against Puerto Rican threat Roman Martinez.
It is a mandatory defence.
The gritty, clever, stiff-punching Cook wrested the title with a shock but unanimous decision over Edinburgh puncher Alex Arthur last September in Manchester. After nine worthy years at featherweight, 29-year-old Nicky proved a revelation at super-featherweight as he outworked a flat-looking Arthur and finished much the stronger of the two. Some fighters really struggle when they move up in weight; other fighters make it look easy. Cook made it look easy. Sure, everyone said Arthur was dead at the weight but they had been saying that for years. "Amazing" Alex went into the Cook defence on a long winning run.
"Rocky" Martinez is unbeaten in 22 fights (one draw) since turning pro in December 2001 and earned his ranking when he came through 12-round wars with Dominican warriors Francisco Lorenzo and Daniel Jimenez in 2007. He ticked over with four wins last year and looks like a great prospect at 25 - sharp, talented and quite heavy handed. Like Nicky he has plenty of height and reach for his weight. The draw on his record came in 2003 in Miami with a Colombian by the name of Jose Leonardo Cruz, 9-0 at the time, who never went on to achieve anything, although you cannot sniff at 9-0.
You know, Martinez has NEVER fought outside of America or Puerto Rico and might be a little inexperienced on the world scene. He failed to stop lanky Colombian southpaw Walter Estrada over 10 rounds in December, a man our own Kevin Mitchell (Nicky's sparmate) had caught up with in five rounds earlier last year. Cook, in contrast, has lost only to slick American southpaw Steven Luevano in 30 outings, the current WBO featherweight champion, and held British, Commonwealth and European featherweight titles in his time. He enjoys a real edge in seasoning, and home advantage, of course, and super-featherweight suits him.
Cook boxes and punches his way to a close, hard-earned decision.

Bennie, regarding Roman Martinez, I have only seen him fight once but with what I saw I was VERY impressed with him. He has a beautiful jab, he has a sharp punch, he likes to go to the body and he is not afraid of infighting. I thought at the time that he could do it all and tapped him as an outstanding prospect. If I saw any faults it was that his beautiful jab maybe slightly under-utilized and that he got stunned once in the fight but shimmied, ducked, dodged and clinched his way 'til his head cleared and got right back on track. I've been following him and been wanting him to take the next step against a contender, but then heard he's going for a title against Cook. I think he needs a little more seasoning but he's going to give Cook a fight and won't be surprised if an upset occurs. Either way, glad to see his handlers aren't letting moss grow under him against soft opposition.

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kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:I'm on a roll now!! :TU: :TU: :TU: Another friend sent me these tax jokes:

I am definitely not saying these highly complimentary things about this awesomely talented public official merely because it's dangerous to take on a sitting Treasury secretary at tax time. That's a little like begging for an audit, not to mention a cavity search by friendly G-men. New York Times 2-09-09

Rooting for Tiger Woods is like rooting for the Internal Revenue Service. It's like pulling for the New York Yankees against the Bad News Bears. It's as inspiring as cheering for a hedge fund, Courier Journal, 6-17-08


THEY COME ON APRIL 15TH DEAR

(To the tune It Came Upon a Midnight Clear)

They come on April 15th dear,
To take away our gold.
Tax men unmoved by plea or tear,
It makes your blood run cold.

Oh income tax! You break our backs,
The government takes all.
A thief by any other name
Would never have such gall.


A client quote:: If my business gets much worse, I won't have to lie on my next tax return.


Capital Punishment: Congress comes up with a new tax.


Drive carefully. Uncle Sam needs every taxpayer he can get.


Children may be deductible, but they are still taxing.
Tax's is what we pay for our system of government.... :lol:
Frank, you are of a similar mind to FDR, who said: "Taxes, after all, are dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society." And Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes: "I like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization."

But I'm of like mind with Arthur Godfrey: "I'm proud to pay taxes in the United States; the only thing is, I could be just as proud for half the money." :lol:
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