Best Amateur record you've seen? EVER............

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 08 Jun 2004, 22:00

Ricky Hatton had a surprisingly good record for a guy his style. It was something like 85-3.

Stratovarius · Post by **Stratovarius** » 09 Jun 2004, 21:27

Erik Morales: 32-0

Justin · Post by **Justin** » 12 Jun 2004, 01:41

Stratovarius wrote:Erik Morales: 32-0

Erm, I'm not sure where you got that from, but Erik was 108-6 as an amateur as per boxing-records.com

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 12 Jun 2004, 09:48

Joan Guzman 312-10. He also had 12 fights against top Cuban boxers and won all 12.

Stratovarius · Post by **Stratovarius** » 14 Jun 2004, 20:50

Justin wrote:
Stratovarius wrote:Erik Morales: 32-0
Erm, I'm not sure where you got that from, but Erik was 108-6 as an amateur as per boxing-records.com

A french commentator just said that last year in is fight agaisnt Bobby Boy Velardez

Justin · Post by **Justin** » 30 Jun 2004, 11:46

Stratovarius wrote:
Justin wrote:
Stratovarius wrote:Erik Morales: 32-0
Erm, I'm not sure where you got that from, but Erik was 108-6 as an amateur as per boxing-records.com
A french commentator just said that last year in is fight agaisnt Bobby Boy Velardez

Didn't your mom ever teach you to never trust a Frenchman?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 08 Jul 2004, 05:08

Is that one for Don Curry accurate, I've heard wildly divergent accounts of his amateur record, but I've never actually seen it in full.

Trouble with boxing-records.com is you have to pay for any records of retired fighters. Seems annoying for only 1 record, I wouldn't use it often enough to pay for it.

Mike McCallum had an excellent record too, 270-10 I think it was last time I checked.

Justin · Post by **Justin** » 09 Jul 2004, 11:57

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Trouble with boxing-records.com is you have to pay for any records of retired fighters. Seems annoying for only 1 record, I wouldn't use it often enough to pay for it.

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I think you can pay to get just 1 record if you need. Definitely don't pay to get an active fighter's record, they take forever to update their site.

jcon22 · Post by **jcon22** » 11 Jul 2004, 16:58

He fought close to 190 amateur and only lost a couple fights.

pbds · Post by **pbds** » 17 Jul 2004, 19:14

Wladamir 134-6 65KO
Vitali 195-15 80KO

........Where did you find their amateur records at? I am trying to either prove or disprove that Vitali fought Oleg Maskaev as an amateur.

Frank Rawlinson · Post by **Frank Rawlinson** » 20 Jul 2004, 19:08

As stated on other thread Believe from Fly to Heavy titles unbeaten 3 draws later years fought different weights names and Nicknames very few defeats , if any against third raters.
Frank Rawlinson

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 15 Aug 2004, 18:16

Tomato-Can wrote:Bernard Taylor 481-8

That is a fantastic amateur record.
But how much of that was international level?
And is a long amateur career a good thing when they turn pro?
An American I would have thought he would have turned pro a long time before, has Audley Harrison left it too late also?

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 11 Apr 2005, 14:51

Nobody has mentioned Francisc Vastag from Romania. He was a light middle thru the late 80's and a lot thru the 90's. I saw on an official world cup 94 programme that he was 299-1. The programme was for the world cup of Boxing held in Dublin Ireland 1994, yet he never won Olympic gold. He may have lost since 94, but that's some record if anyone can verify it. Ray Leonard had great record as did Breland 150-5 and 110-1 respectively I believe

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 15 Apr 2005, 20:24

I believe the only guy to beat Breland was Darryl Anthony?. Breland battered him in the pro's before winning a title. He was a feared puncher in the ams yet a few fighters walked right through his power in the pro's

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 16 Apr 2005, 18:01

walshb wrote:Nobody has mentioned Francisc Vastag from Romania. He was a light middle thru the late 80's and a lot thru the 90's. I saw on an official world cup 94 programme that he was 299-1. The programme was for the world cup of Boxing held in Dublin Ireland 1994, yet he never won Olympic gold. He may have lost since 94, but that's some record if anyone can verify it.

Don't believe amateur records. There's no one who can have a record like 250-1 with 200 KO's. Anyone who knows amateur boxing knows that's not true. Not even longtime amateurs like Savon, Stevenson or Kindelan have those records. As an amateur you fight very often and you don't pick your opponents. You fight the best many times a year. You can't be at your best all the time. And nobody is born a champion. You learn with each fight. And often you learn more when you lose.

I know Vastag lost at least five times before the 1994 Challenge matches (where he lost to cuban Alfredo Duvergel). He was though one of the best amateurs of the 90's. Three-time world champion but failed to win an olympic medal in three tries.
The records of Tshabalala, Harry Simon and others make me laugh.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 17 Apr 2005, 15:05

Dick McTaggart.

Only a Cuban could rival McTaggarts record

An astonishing 634 fights, with 610 victories and just 24 defeats. During that time, he won 32 cups, 57 plaques and 49 medals.

Awarded the Val Barker Trophy, McTaggart took gold in the lightweight class and took bronze when he defended his title at the 1960 games.

He won 5 ABA titles, three titles as a lightweight (1956, 1958 & 1960) and two as a light heavyweight (1963 & 1965). Something that will most likely never be done again by a Brittish Boxer!

Laszlo Papp

Had somrthing like
193 fights 186 wins 7 defeats
114 inside the distance

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 26 Apr 2005, 11:45

He won 5 ABA titles, three titles as a lightweight (1956, 1958 & 1960) and two as a light heavyweight (1963 & 1965). Something that will most likely never be done again by a Brittish Boxer!

Are you sure it was Light Heavy as it seems a little hard to believe that he'd go from Lightweight up to LH.....I'm not saying it's impossible, just curious

barry · Post by **barry** » 03 May 2005, 15:29

1950s boxer Eddie Thomas supposedly had a fantastic amateur record:

Eddie Thomas
Middleweight
Born: May 15, 1931 Durban, South Africa
Amateur: 245-5 (200 KO)

barry · Post by **barry** » 05 May 2005, 10:20

I would say that a very big portion of the records of many are blown way out of purportion. Donald Curry supposedly had around 450 amateur bouts, but he started professional when he was 19, so he would have had to have around 25 bouts a year from the day he was born until he turned pro.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 05 May 2005, 19:47

barry wrote:1950s boxer Eddie Thomas supposedly had a fantastic amateur record:

Eddie Thomas
Middleweight
Born: May 15, 1931 Durban, South Africa
Amateur: 245-5 (200 KO)

I don't really believe in those records. Not even Stevenson or Savon KO'ed that many people. What did Thomas achieve? With that record he must've fought in like four Olympics.

No way Don Curry had 450 bouts. I doubt he had 250 if he turned pro at 19.

barry · Post by **barry** » 06 May 2005, 03:37

I'd say that the Cuban records are a lot more accurate than any of the rest. Also records from amateurs of the old Soviet Union Team probably had a very large number of career amateur bouts as well, but I really find it difficult to believe that most of these fighters who claim 200+ amateur bouts really did, unless they did turn pro at an old age, but those like Donald Curry with 450, I really doubt it!

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 31 May 2005, 10:52

Bernanrd Hopkins did not go 95-4 as a amuatuer, he was in jail for from the age of 17-22 and turned pro shortly after getting out of jail...no way in hell he had almost 100 fights.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 31 May 2005, 11:33

walshb wrote:He won 5 ABA titles, three titles as a lightweight (1956, 1958 & 1960) and two as a light heavyweight (1963 & 1965). Something that will most likely never be done again by a Brittish Boxer!

Are you sure it was Light Heavy as it seems a little hard to believe that he'd go from Lightweight up to LH.....I'm not saying it's impossible, just curious

He had lots of pies

BigTex · Post by **BigTex** » 13 Jun 2005, 23:37

didn't garby from cuba have 300plus wins?

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