Boxing funding and Amir Khan?

Adamj1987 · Post by **Adamj1987** » 18 Mar 2009, 07:51

i do dislike khan and warren but i agree with you whole heartedly look at the great prospects we have now billy jo-saunders, frankie gavin, tony jeffries and tyson fury all got funded (didnt make the olympics in the latters case) but we have lots of exciting prospects that people have heard of this can only be good for pro and amature boxing in teh log run as they bring glory to the amatures by wining medals and bring excitement to the pros

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 18 Mar 2009, 08:19

Great post BIGMARK

Khan does have his critics but even they can't argue against his success has helped amateur boxing in this country(credit to Hatton and Calzaghe as well who have also put boxing back into the spotlight too).

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 18 Mar 2009, 08:28

I think the lottery funding of the boxers is great for the sport, HOWEVER I do think they are over paid when compared to what other Olympic atheletes receive. I know a diver that won silver in 2004 and he wasn't even paid half what the boxers were.

We need to be careful to make sure they have the necessary funding to ensure they are on peak form, but without letting them become complacent.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 18 Mar 2009, 08:49

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing them and saying they're being fat and lazy. Because I'm not. But £70k p/a, to me, is a lot of money for an athelete to receive. I'm not 100% sure whether they receive accomodation free, or whether the money has to take account of that. Pete was lucky to get £20k so I was a bit angry about that. But I'm biased.

The fact that the US Government is looking at this as an idea for their Amateur system after their disgraceful showing illustrates that we do get some things right. 8)

Here's to 2012 and more medals!

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 18 Mar 2009, 09:07

I don't know the facts, but are you stating that because Khan won a silver medal, that funding for amateur boxing was increased?

If so, what effect did Audley winning a gold medal have? - Did that in it's self give someone like Khan the opportunity to chase his Olympic dream.

Just a quick look into it, actually points to Harrison being the one who should be being credited, over and above Khan. Obviously Khan did his bit too, but what Harrison achieved was the bigger deal, and allowed a big wedge of money to be made available for 2004 & 2008.

Actually, someone like Buncey could give more information on this, because he does know or did know the amateur game inside out.

The Bottom line equals the same thing - The more amateur success we have the better for boxing as a sport in this country.

youngrell · Post by **youngrell** » 18 Mar 2009, 09:16

I totally agree BIGMARK, Kahn has loads of young fans and the more of them that join gyms because they are inspired by him the better, even if older boxing fans can see his flaws in the ring they can't deny his publicity doesn't help the sport!

Scrap · Post by **Scrap** » 18 Mar 2009, 09:19

Audley started it, made a big noise. I would like to thank Him Lottery Funding is superb, just got a load of Funding for a project Im doing

Wonderfull

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 18 Mar 2009, 09:30

Scrap wrote:Audley started it, made a big noise. I would like to thank Him Lottery Funding is superb, just got a load of Funding for a project Im doing Wonderfull

Golden Rings near me just got money from the ABA to rennovate the place as well. Looks like a palace compared to the old buidling.

My T Sharp · Post by **My T Sharp** » 18 Mar 2009, 10:08

Scrap wrote:Audley started it, made a big noise. I would like to thank Him Lottery Funding is superb, just got a load of Funding for a project Im doing Wonderfull

Yes good points about Khan, but Audley did spark the interest and funding.

Article by someone called Steve Bunce back in 2001

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 81223.html

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 18 Mar 2009, 11:10

BIGMARK wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:I think the lottery funding of the boxers is great for the sport, HOWEVER I do think they are over paid when compared to what other Olympic atheletes receive. I know a diver that won silver in 2004 and he wasn't even paid half what the boxers were.

We need to be careful to make sure they have the necessary funding to ensure they are on peak form, but without letting them become complacent.
good point about their pay You would imagine that they will be paid more as Team GB will be desperate get success at 2012. For short term success it is good but they need to look at the bigger picture.

Can you believe they banned the legendary DG for beating down 'whenwewerekings' like a dog!

8)

champ4ever · Post by **champ4ever** » 18 Mar 2009, 12:12

My T Sharp wrote:
Scrap wrote:Audley started it, made a big noise. I would like to thank Him Lottery Funding is superb, just got a load of Funding for a project Im doing Wonderfull
Yes good points about Khan, but Audley did spark the interest and funding.

Article by someone called Steve Bunce back in 2001

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 81223.html

alright there guys. i thought i'll just do a little post.

audley achievement of winning gold is amazing for british boxing and amateur boxing, but UK sport was not funding boxers till after Athens.

ask frankie gavin, de gale or even terry edwards and they will all tell you funding completely changed after khan's success in Athens. before khan, and after audley harrison, amateur boxing was still not funded that well, actually it was under funded, it was way below priority in sport funding by the lottery, not no more it's not, not after 2004 Athens. but yeah the big fundng came after khan, not after audley.

the only problem is amateur boxers after the olympics are still turning pro, and this is not what they want.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 18 Mar 2009, 12:37

I think you are wrong chap, the lottery funding came because of Harrison, nearly 13 million of it - Khan added more I am sure, but don't be so quick to dismiss what that Harrison medal brought to the table, because that started what we have now with the amateur system.

I have a little bit of involvement with our local amateur club, and the lottery funding has been coming in since before 2004 - I can assure you :)

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 18 Mar 2009, 13:18

BIGMARK wrote:
banjo wrote:Great post BIGMARK

Khan does have his critics but even they can't argue against his success has helped amateur boxing in this country(credit to Hatton and Calzaghe as well who have also put boxing back into the spotlight too).
i cant take all the credit for it as it was champ4ever who inspired me to post it with his thread on Doghouse.

stop stealing his posts u turncoat.

2004 was a dark year for british boxing.

some people were claiming it was dead. :(

hatton and calzaghe were fighting against opponents that meant very little.

everyone on here was in depression.

then danny williams beat mike tyson and amir khan came on the scene. :)

khan has been the best thing to happen to british boxing in a while tbh. ;;-)

champ4ever · Post by **champ4ever** » 18 Mar 2009, 13:21

Twinkle Toes wrote:I think you are wrong chap, the lottery funding came because of Harrison, nearly 13 million of it - Khan added more I am sure, but don't be so quick to dismiss what that Harrison medal brought to the table, because that started what we have now with the amateur system.

I have a little bit of involvement with our local amateur club, and the lottery funding has been coming in since before 2004 - I can assure you :)

Our target was to get four boxers qualified for the Olympics and we have done that with two qualifying events left,” Matt Archibald, the programme manager for British boxing, said.

“Everything changed post-Khan.

"The funding, the whole structure of the ABA.

“A few years ago we would have been worried that the boxers who won medals at the World Championships would go professional before the Olympics.

"Now we can show them the benefits of staying amateur.”

Before Athens, boxing was not funded by UK Sport.

UK sport started the funding after Athens, and was basically set out on achievements, sports like gymnastics had their funding cut in half because they did'nt do well in Athens, boxing would of been the same aswell, but because of what khan did, and because of the media hype around khan, he did'nt just stop the funding get cut in half, but his success made the funding alot bigger for olympic 2008.

Quixall · Post by **Quixall** » 18 Mar 2009, 13:21

Nice work Champ

On a serious note. Firstly, i think that people judge Khan as a professional boxer and on the comments that he has made over the past couple of years, which have fallen short of his boastings on many occassions and that is why he has been the victim of some harsh criticism.

On the subject of whether Khan's performance and media exposure after the Olympics has benefited the amatuer boxing program, i feel that it has greatly benefited, in terms of the amounts of young guys going to boxing clubs and the new financial investment from the government.

A healthy amateur program is very good news for the future of professional boxing in Britain, because it is often the case that the two go hand in hand, as was the case in with the American amateur programs from the 1960' to the 1980's. Khan's success at the Olympics put down a marker that success or relative success was achievable and the government, intent on bidding for the future Olympics games, wanted to make a big impression, hence the financial support being materialised.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 18 Mar 2009, 18:27

I am not convinced Khan has been such a saviour of British boxing, from what I hear from people they are bored of his predictable one sided fights .. this in itself isn`t a good advert for the sport, and when he got ko`ed a couple fights ago, well that just confirmed to the public what bullsh@t they had been fed.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 18 Mar 2009, 19:27

We can arguel all day about opposition. Fact is, even the p4p no. 1's are criticized for not facing this guy or that guy. Some are justified, most of the time it's not.

That's boxing.

Fact is, Amir Khan has progressed alot faster than most British Boxers did after 21 bouts. I mean going against Barrera 2 fights after he was KO'd is somehting.

champ4ever · Post by **champ4ever** » 18 Mar 2009, 19:27

tonyevs wrote:I am not convinced Khan has been such a saviour of British boxing, from what I hear from people they are bored of his predictable one sided fights .. this in itself isn`t a good advert for the sport, and when he got ko`ed a couple fights ago, well that just confirmed to the public what bullsh@t they had been fed.

he's not going to be the saviour of british boxing in the ring because the truth is he'll probably always have trouble beating fast pressure fighters who punch hard, and the lightweight division is very talented.

what khan has already done though is given boxers like degale, gavin, saunders, jeffries and all the other top british amaters after Athens 2004 is the extra funding to be able to train and live like professional boxers, so maybe khan might fail, but he's given that chance for the others to maybe succeed because of that extra funding to reach their full potential, and as we have seen we got 8 boxers good enough to be in the olympics out of 11 weight divisions, and that's pretty bloody good.

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 18 Mar 2009, 20:45

observer1 wrote:We can arguel all day about opposition. Fact is, even the p4p no. 1's are criticized for not facing this guy or that guy. Some are justified, most of the time it's not.

That's boxing.

Fact is, Amir Khan has progressed alot faster than most British Boxers did after 21 bouts. I mean going against Barrera 2 fights after he was KO'd is somehting.

Yes but fighters like Hatton for example were able to develop at their own pace while remaining out of the public spotlight whereas fighters like Khan and Harrison were known throughout the country before they turned professional, they had their debuts on live terrestrial television and the public won't put up with knockovers for long, especially when they are talking big. Winning an Olympic medal puts them in the mainstream and places a huge amount of pressure and expectation on them.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 18 Mar 2009, 21:15

banjo wrote:
observer1 wrote:We can arguel all day about opposition. Fact is, even the p4p no. 1's are criticized for not facing this guy or that guy. Some are justified, most of the time it's not.

That's boxing.

Fact is, Amir Khan has progressed alot faster than most British Boxers did after 21 bouts. I mean going against Barrera 2 fights after he was KO'd is somehting.
Yes but fighters like Hatton for example were able to develop at their own pace while remaining out of the public spotlight whereas fighters like Khan and Harrison were known throughout the country before they turned professional, they had their debuts on live terrestrial television and the public won't put up with knockovers for long, especially when they are talking big. Winning an Olympic medal puts them in the mainstream and places a huge amount of pressure and expectation on them.

I'm pretty sure Hatton would not have turned down the offer of having his early fighters televised.

Amir Khan is doing the right thing by not letting Media hype rush his career.

He already took a massive risk against Barrera, seeing as he was KO'd in only 1 round by Prescott. It all depends now on his next fights.

I think Khan should be cut some slack. It's clear he has more enemies than fans. The way he was boo'd against Barrera was nothing short of disgraceful.

coneye · Post by **coneye** » 18 Mar 2009, 21:49

Why is it disgraceful , they pay there money they can cheer or boo for who they like. Remember these people who boo or cheer are paying there hard earned money for that right , H e don't mind speeding around in flash sports cars ,who pays for it , utimatly the fans.

What is more important is the reason they booed, don't suppose its because he has had a hand picked golden path put his way . while all aslong this golden path off fighting over the hill fighters and guys half his size, he has alianated most with his constant bragging , telling all and siundry that he his too good for british champs when he had not even fought someone the same weight ,

Has Ali said it ain't bragging if you can do it ..... But when your management want you on ppv and all the while you brag your gonna be world champ . your to good for your opposition so you don't have to fight them THEN ITS JUST BRAGGING and guess what most people don't take a liking to BRAGGARDS

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 19 Mar 2009, 03:50

coneye wrote:Why is it disgraceful , they pay there money they can cheer or boo for who they like. Remember these people who boo or cheer are paying there hard earned money for that right , H e don't mind speeding around in flash sports cars ,who pays for it , utimatly the fans.

What is more important is the reason they booed, don't suppose its because he has had a hand picked golden path put his way . while all aslong this golden path off fighting over the hill fighters and guys half his size, he has alianated most with his constant bragging , telling all and siundry that he his too good for british champs when he had not even fought someone the same weight ,

Has Ali said it ain't bragging if you can do it ..... But when your management want you on ppv and all the while you brag your gonna be world champ . your to good for your opposition so you don't have to fight them THEN ITS JUST BRAGGING and guess what most people don't take a liking to BRAGGARDS

What?

Yes they can Boo whom they want, but i think it's ridiculous the way half of Britain manages to rise up against Khan, and actually bother to go to his bouts dressed as Mexicans, Boo and criticize him, then afterwards say "oh he plays his fans as jokes"

Compared to Hatton and Calzaghe, he is hardly ever in the News. I mean how often does this guy be giving out interviews like Joe and Hatton do?

I mean look at the Barrera bout for example. It was only when it was announced, once before the bout and once after the bout he actually said something. Other than that, you did not even hear from the guy.

Maybe if you put your bias aside, you may notice the only "Khan media frenzy" is in your head.

champ4ever · Post by **champ4ever** » 19 Mar 2009, 04:06

coneye wrote:Why is it disgraceful , they pay there money they can cheer or boo for who they like. Remember these people who boo or cheer are paying there hard earned money for that right , H e don't mind speeding around in flash sports cars ,who pays for it , utimatly the fans.

What is more important is the reason they booed, don't suppose its because he has had a hand picked golden path put his way . while all aslong this golden path off fighting over the hill fighters and guys half his size, he has alianated most with his constant bragging , telling all and siundry that he his too good for british champs when he had not even fought someone the same weight ,

Has Ali said it ain't bragging if you can do it ..... But when your management want you on ppv and all the while you brag your gonna be world champ . your to good for your opposition so you don't have to fight them THEN ITS JUST BRAGGING and guess what most people don't take a liking to BRAGGARDS

not being funny but we're moaning about PPV, now he's had two PPV fights, one he's been knocked out in, the other fight was against a legend that many people picked to beat khan, including me. now as we can see, it's not like he's having easy fights when on PPV, so i personally would like him to come off PPV because it only demands him rushing his career anyway.

champ4ever · Post by **champ4ever** » 19 Mar 2009, 06:10

BIGMARK wrote:
champ4ever wrote:
coneye wrote:Why is it disgraceful , they pay there money they can cheer or boo for who they like. Remember these people who boo or cheer are paying there hard earned money for that right , H e don't mind speeding around in flash sports cars ,who pays for it , utimatly the fans.

What is more important is the reason they booed, don't suppose its because he has had a hand picked golden path put his way . while all aslong this golden path off fighting over the hill fighters and guys half his size, he has alianated most with his constant bragging , telling all and siundry that he his too good for british champs when he had not even fought someone the same weight ,

Has Ali said it ain't bragging if you can do it ..... But when your management want you on ppv and all the while you brag your gonna be world champ . your to good for your opposition so you don't have to fight them THEN ITS JUST BRAGGING and guess what most people don't take a liking to BRAGGARDS
not being funny but we're moaning about PPV, now he's had two PPV fights, one he's been knocked out in, the other fight was against a legend that many people picked to beat khan, including me. now as we can see, it's not like he's having easy fights when on PPV, so i personally would like him to come off PPV because it only demands him rushing his career anyway.
I dont think allegedly allegedly can afford to take him off PPV if he wants to make any money and i'm sure in a perfect word Warren would wont Khan fighting Prime time ITV but if he wants to keep him cant afford to do that.

if that's the case, which it possibly could be, then i feel Khan's career is going to head for even more disaster very early in his career.

for PPV as a promoter you need to get fights that will sell, it's simple as that, if it does'nt sell then sky are not going to be happy, so it's only going to force frank to eventually overmatch Khan too early in his career again.

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 19 Mar 2009, 06:17

but i think it's ridiculous the way half of Britain manages to rise up against Khan, and actually bother to go to his bouts dressed as Mexicans

Maybe they are Barrera fans

Compared to Hatton and Calzaghe, he is hardly ever in the News. I mean how often does this guy be giving out interviews like Joe and Hatton do?

Hatton is always doing positive things, Khan could learn from him, Calzaghe rarely ever appears in the news especially in the front pages

I mean look at the Barrera bout for example. It was only when it was announced, once before the bout and once after the bout he actually said something. Other than that, you did not even hear from the guy.

Could have done more to help promote the fight if he did.

Khan can do well, he has talent but what's the rush? He's only 22 afterall and I'd hate to see him wasted because he took a step too far too soon.

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