CSAC Suspends All Amateur Boxing in California

[boxmel]

The following information came from Oscar Ortiz, Northern California Assn. president:

Well, my worst fear came true. The reason I stressed out over that administrative subpeona and worked my tail off making thousands of photocopies of documents are working on that copy machine past midnight several times was to prevent it. Appearantly, the state athletic commission doesnt feel that the national office felt the same urgency.

USA Boxing is now suspended from operating in all of California. We have been served with a Cease and Desist order by the CSAC. We can no longer hold any amatuer boxing shows. The National Office has until April 7th to present written or oral arguement as to why the CSAC should not REVOKE our priveledge to host and administer amatuer boxing in this state.

On Friday, I mailed out a letter to the membership advising that private shows already sanctioned are cancelled and pending applications for private shows are denied. I also warn of this potential (suspension) and the legal authority that the state does have in this matter.

The ball is in the court of the National Office.

[Kolya]

How can the CSAC do that, exactly? Aren't they more concerned with professional combat sports?

[Puncher7]

Koyla generally the state commissions are more concerned with professional boxing, but they still hold the authority over amateurs. They just allow USA Boxing to control it, but they still have the authority to intervene.

[boxmel]

How can the CSAC do that, exactly?

Their C&BL give them jurisdiction over ALL boxing in the State with the understanding that control can be given to another organization if the CSAC desires.

Aren't they more concerned with professional combat sports?

Yep - that's what makes them money. I doubt that they would even try to take over amateur boxing - it's too big a hunk to chew. This is the second time in the past 10 or so years they've stuck their noses in. It was a mess the first time and I hope they remember that. Will be interesting to see what USAB does, and when.

[Athorn4941]

Whats that mean for the amateur boxing gyms in cali.

[JMac]

Whats that mean for the amateur boxing gyms in cali.

Keep training and wait for the idiots (CSAC) to come to their senses.

[dangercoach]

well that email was addressed to LBC boardmembers and leadership, but oh well, no big secrets once your out on the web. With that in mind, however, I don't know that name calling is going to help anything. As an update: the CSAC and USA Boxing are in contact and coming up with a solution to get the LBCs, athletes, and officials licensed through the state so that events (especially advancing tournmnts) can proceed without interruption.

[debc]

Wonder how much that will cost each boxer, coach, LBC?

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I know that the State Commission and USAB/LBC had issues several times in the state of Pennsylvania. It was really on again, off again before boxing commenced. I hope it was just a show of force to get national office to do whatever they need to do to lift the ban. I hope it doesn't get dragged out and affect the Golden Gloves . . .

[Athorn4941]

The people that story got taken out of hand to get am boxing banned in cali
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=6724916

The CSAC response
http://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/pres ... stmt.shtml

USA Boxings respones
http://usaboxing.org/news/article/10681

[Dennis]

If the California LBC's were doing their job, this wouldn't have happened. We want the LBC's to have local control, but if they don't do their jobs properly, then USA Boxing or the State will step in. USA Boxing is trying to take more control over the local level (LBC). I prefer to keep more power at the local level, but if we aren't careful we will be paying much higher fees so that the NGB (USA Boxing or its successor, if necessary) can take control.

[Dennis]

I think that many of the kids that boxed in those shows loved being in front of an enthusiastic crowd in a very nice venue. I do understand that the parents want to be there, but they didn't have to allow their children to compete in those shows. I do think these kind of shows should make accommodations for parents and allow each boxer to have 1 or 2 fans per boxer. I know of a few shows in the midwest that did this same thing, but I didn't have to worry about it as I am my sons coach. There are also shows that charge high ticket prices, but at least then the parents have the opportunity to attend if they are willing to spend $30-50 per person.

[boxmel]

My honest opinion is that the CSAC is looking for ways to make money. They will allow us to have shows as long as the promoters, manaters, officials, and coaches - and possibly the athletes - register with and pay the CSAC a fee. The latest from USA Boxing is:

In the meantime, USA Boxing has agreed to comply with the State's requirements for registering its promoters, boxers, and officials with the State Athletic Commission so that upcoming events on the calendar in the State during the suspension may take place uninterrupted if approved by the State, until the hearing.

I, my husband, and other officials I have talked to are not going to buckle under and pay any registration fee.

I spoke to the office of the CSAC this morning. I was told that whatever is going to happen is still in the talking stages and more information would be forthcoming this afternoon. However, I did get the registration fees out of him: Referee and judges are $150; timekeeper is $50 (wonder if that means we have to pay $200 since all referees and judges are also timekeepers), coaches are $50.00.

[The_Real_Deal]

Ratz~ this is not good for us at all, what am I going to do with my kids, does this also mean that we have to suspend our amatuer training programs in the gym?

[boxmel]

does this also mean that we have to suspend our amatuer training programs in the gym?

No - but there might not be any shows for them to participate in. As soon as I get anything concrete, I'll pass on the info.

[pbcsfinest]

I just know that state Golden Gloves was exposed to be two weeks away and this is just kinda
upsetting

[The_Real_Deal]

does this also mean that we have to suspend our amatuer training programs in the gym?

No - but there might not be any shows for them to participate in. As soon as I get anything concrete, I'll pass on the info.

Keep me posted.

[boxmel]

At this point, lots of lawyers are talking to each other. 8)

[yungsav151]

What are we going to do? Just like any fight, it can be a challenge and no matter what, we must rise to the occassion and overcome all adversities in order to survive! If it means that we as the leaders of the sport have to find a way to overcome the financial burden, then we must find and strategize the best method meet that burden, (i.e. fundraisers, sponsors, grants, etc.). Honestly, I'm up for the state tightening regulations and cleaning the sport. Our kids shouldn't be rich people's entertainment unless there guaranteed a cut of the revenue, after all it's their hardwork, dedication and lives on the line. I'd like to see some set regulations or figures showing where the money goes, who's pockets, and what percentage goes back into the host club and the LBC. As for those who are training for tourney's and rankings, all this means is that you have more time to perfect your game! Stay focused youngstas and the young at heart!

[boxmel]

If it means that we as the leaders of the sport have to find a way to overcome the financial burden,

Who's financial burden are you referring to? I'm not clear on your statement.

Honestly, I'm up for the state tightening regulations and cleaning the sport. Our kids shouldn't be rich people's entertainment unless there guaranteed a cut of the revenue,

Both Northern California and Southern California have hosted private shows, usually fundraisers, for years. In So. Cal., the club who hosted the show was usually given money for their gym or towards equipment. All shows are run within USA Boxing rules.

[yungsav151]

I'm referring to those who the comment affects. If it don't affect you then don't worry about it. However, there are those in this forum (coaches, athletes, reff's, etc.) who say additional fees will take a toll and pose as financial burdens. It is to them, who I'm referring to.

To those clubs that operate according to the rules, that's great! Keep it up! But the whole reason why Ca. is in this predicament is cause there are those who are not playing by the rules and they are obviously outweighing the clubs which are. Worse enough every other political structure is corrupted, so lets clean up the corruption in the best thing some of us have, and thats boxing.

[boxmel]

are those who are not playing by the rules

Which was NOT the case in the Nor Cal uproar.

[Dennis]

does this also mean that we have to suspend our amatuer training programs in the gym?

No - but there might not be any shows for them to participate in. As soon as I get anything concrete, I'll pass on the info.

All they have to do is travel to a bordering state and box in shows there. Their passbooks work everywhere except in California. CSAC has no control outside of the California borders.

[hbomb2]

In my non-legal opinion everything is going to be alright. The California State Athletic Commission sees that they are missing out on a lot of money in the amateur program. A so-called boxing people exploited a weak spot in our program and a few want to get headlines. Some acted so concerned as though they care for our youth when in reality if they take away boxing it puts our kids back onto the streets to fall prey to the negative. The Ted Steven Olympic and Amateur Sports Act charters the USOC which charters USA Boxing as the National Governing Body of all amateur boxing in the USA. This is a Federal law. The judge put a halt to amateur boxing because USA Boxing did not respond as they were supoenaed (sp). The CSAC felt that this is a perfect time to try and take over since USA Boxing is back on probation. The individual that is a member of USA Boxing that has a club with no boxers is in violation of the rules. This is a prime reason that coaches and administrators should read their rule book. The USOC also made a big mistake in taking away our BOG, we need to find a way to get it back and hopefully we will learn to agree to disagree sometimes without trying to destroy each other. Just my non-legal opinion. Be blessed.

[pbcsfinest]

Boxingmel You have any Idea when there will be any clarification on if State Golden gloves is Going to Continue?