Tomraylawpc wrote:The lady in my citizenship class made me some tamales a couple of weeks ago. They were fantastic!!
The way you guys write about menudo con pata, maybe I'll have to see if she'll fix me some of that too!DD
me no likey fish...dagosd2000 wrote:kikibalt wrote:Rog, going to have some menudo con pata in a little while, wanna go?, you buy...
Wife is making fresh fish tacos with the calico bass my son in law caught at the kelp beds. We'll eat good taday. Rog
kikibalt wrote:me no likey fish...dagosd2000 wrote:kikibalt wrote:Rog, going to have some menudo con pata in a little while, wanna go?, you buy...
Wife is making fresh fish tacos with the calico bass my son in law caught at the kelp beds. We'll eat good taday. Rog
Rick, that may just be your finest piece yet. It was masterful and 100% true. I hope with this thread, and with the people that may read it, that something will happen to put the great sport of boxing back at the forefront, especially here in Los Angeles. Thanks for telling it like it is Rick.Rick Farris wrote:The Card in T.J.
Personally speaking, if I truly wanted to see that card in Tijuana, I'd order a ticket and go. I would cross the border, find the venue, and attend the fight. When it was over, I'd leave, cross back over the border. What's the big deal? Personally, even if I were given two ringside seats by Bob Arum himself, I wouldn't cross the street to watch J.C. Chavez Jr. let alone the border.
The only guy on the card I like is Fernando Montiel. Nobody wants trouble, but lets be honest, a lot of people on this side of the border are afraid of their shadows. Sadly, today's events may have one interesting competitive match, then a card full of crap. On this thread we talk of boxers can no longer fight as those from past eras, and that there are no trainers to teach boxing. We can take that a step farther by saying that there are no longer great promoters or matchmakers.
These days, in the ring you won't see a Enrique Bolanos or Manuel Ortiz, and in the corner there are no Jackie McCoy's or Johnny Forbes. However, even if they were still aound, there is no George Parnassus, Aileen Eaton or Hap Navarro to promote the event. When we bought a ticket to see Ruben Olivares or Mantequilla Napoles in a title defense, we didn't have to sit thru a half dozen crap fights to get to the main event. Aileen, George and Hap knew how to enhance the main event with a super undercard.
When Mando Ramos took on his former stablemate Raul Rojas in a ten round grudge fight, Eaton could have still sold out the house with a weak undercard, but she didn't just put on one good fight, she put on several. Frankie Crawford and Armando Muniz were also on the card. When Hap Navarro had Enrique Bolanos fighting Eddie Chavez in the main event, he pitted two hot shot up & comers, Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli in the semi. When George Parnassus matched Mantequilla Napoles with Hedgeman Lewis in a welter title fight, he opened with a bantam title fight between the great Ruben Olivares and Jesus Pimentel.
You really got your mony's worth in those days. We not only had great boxers and trainers, but great matchmakers. Lucky for me they were still around when I was coming up.
-Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:me no likey fish...dagosd2000 wrote:kikibalt wrote:Rog, going to have some menudo con pata in a little while, wanna go?, you buy...
Wife is making fresh fish tacos with the calico bass my son in law caught at the kelp beds. We'll eat good taday. Rog
Can't help it if I'm a kept man and spoil rotten, still don't likey, fishy, cheesy, but bring on the menudo con pata....dagosd2000 wrote:kikibalt wrote:me no likey fish...dagosd2000 wrote:Rog, going to have some menudo con pata in a little while, wanna go?, you buy...
Wife is making fresh fish tacos with the calico bass my son in law caught at the kelp beds. We'll eat good taday. Rog
No likey fish. No likey cheese. Picky Picky
[/quote]The Great Promoters/Matchmakers . . .Randyman wrote:Rick, that may just be your finest piece yet. It was masterful and 100% true. I hope with this thread, and with the people that may read it, that something will happen to put the great sport of boxing back at the forefront, especially here in Los Angeles. Thanks for telling it like it is Rick.Rick Farris wrote:The Card in T.J.
Personally speaking, if I truly wanted to see that card in Tijuana, I'd order a ticket and go. I would cross the border, find the venue, and attend the fight. When it was over, I'd leave, cross back over the border. What's the big deal? Personally, even if I were given two ringside seats by Bob Arum himself, I wouldn't cross the street to watch J.C. Chavez Jr. let alone the border.
The only guy on the card I like is Fernando Montiel. Nobody wants trouble, but lets be honest, a lot of people on this side of the border are afraid of their shadows. Sadly, today's events may have one interesting competitive match, then a card full of crap. On this thread we talk of boxers can no longer fight as those from past eras, and that there are no trainers to teach boxing. We can take that a step farther by saying that there are no longer great promoters or matchmakers.
These days, in the ring you won't see a Enrique Bolanos or Manuel Ortiz, and in the corner there are no Jackie McCoy's or Johnny Forbes. However, even if they were still aound, there is no George Parnassus, Aileen Eaton or Hap Navarro to promote the event. When we bought a ticket to see Ruben Olivares or Mantequilla Napoles in a title defense, we didn't have to sit thru a half dozen crap fights to get to the main event. Aileen, George and Hap knew how to enhance the main event with a super undercard.
When Mando Ramos took on his former stablemate Raul Rojas in a ten round grudge fight, Eaton could have still sold out the house with a weak undercard, but she didn't just put on one good fight, she put on several. Frankie Crawford and Armando Muniz were also on the card. When Hap Navarro had Enrique Bolanos fighting Eddie Chavez in the main event, he pitted two hot shot up & comers, Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli in the semi. When George Parnassus matched Mantequilla Napoles with Hedgeman Lewis in a welter title fight, he opened with a bantam title fight between the great Ruben Olivares and Jesus Pimentel.
You really got your mony's worth in those days. We not only had great boxers and trainers, but great matchmakers. Lucky for me they were still around when I was coming up.
-Rick Farris
By the way, can anyone tell me why Chavez jr's fight is on PPV? Someday maybe, but not today. As far as I'm concerned, he's still untested and unproven.
Randy
Thanks Kevin. I did what you said and have been looking at the man on various Web Sites. I had heard of the name in relation to him handling Ketchel,but I didn't realze he was a writer as well. Along with his contacts in life,he certainly fits into that Golden Era he lived in. Rog.iskigoe wrote:Roger,
Thats a great wilson Mizner.
For a while, he was married to Myra Moor Yerkes, the 2nd richest woman in America, who owned a $2 million art collection. One day, in need of money, he took a version of The Last Supper off her wall and sold it. When his wife saw the empty frame, she cried out, "Bill, what happened to the masterpiece I had in the living room--The Last Supper?" Replied Mizner, "Some masterpiece. I got only $50 a plate."
Kevin
Rick Farris wrote:The Great Promoters/Matchmakers . . .Randyman wrote:Rick, that may just be your finest piece yet. It was masterful and 100% true. I hope with this thread, and with the people that may read it, that something will happen to put the great sport of boxing back at the forefront, especially here in Los Angeles. Thanks for telling it like it is Rick.Rick Farris wrote:The Card in T.J.
Personally speaking, if I truly wanted to see that card in Tijuana, I'd order a ticket and go. I would cross the border, find the venue, and attend the fight. When it was over, I'd leave, cross back over the border. What's the big deal? Personally, even if I were given two ringside seats by Bob Arum himself, I wouldn't cross the street to watch J.C. Chavez Jr. let alone the border.
The only guy on the card I like is Fernando Montiel. Nobody wants trouble, but lets be honest, a lot of people on this side of the border are afraid of their shadows. Sadly, today's events may have one interesting competitive match, then a card full of crap. On this thread we talk of boxers can no longer fight as those from past eras, and that there are no trainers to teach boxing. We can take that a step farther by saying that there are no longer great promoters or matchmakers.
These days, in the ring you won't see a Enrique Bolanos or Manuel Ortiz, and in the corner there are no Jackie McCoy's or Johnny Forbes. However, even if they were still aound, there is no George Parnassus, Aileen Eaton or Hap Navarro to promote the event. When we bought a ticket to see Ruben Olivares or Mantequilla Napoles in a title defense, we didn't have to sit thru a half dozen crap fights to get to the main event. Aileen, George and Hap knew how to enhance the main event with a super undercard.
When Mando Ramos took on his former stablemate Raul Rojas in a ten round grudge fight, Eaton could have still sold out the house with a weak undercard, but she didn't just put on one good fight, she put on several. Frankie Crawford and Armando Muniz were also on the card. When Hap Navarro had Enrique Bolanos fighting Eddie Chavez in the main event, he pitted two hot shot up & comers, Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli in the semi. When George Parnassus matched Mantequilla Napoles with Hedgeman Lewis in a welter title fight, he opened with a bantam title fight between the great Ruben Olivares and Jesus Pimentel.
You really got your mony's worth in those days. We not only had great boxers and trainers, but great matchmakers. Lucky for me they were still around when I was coming up.
-Rick Farris
By the way, can anyone tell me why Chavez jr's fight is on PPV? Someday maybe, but not today. As far as I'm concerned, he's still untested and unproven.
Randy
Randy . . . I've been unable to compare contemporary boxers and trainers with those of the past, however, the problem is far deeper. It's not just the talent in the ring, but those who showcase the talent. Let's play, "what if". What if we had Manuel Ortiz and Ruben Olivares around today (two all-time great bantams from different eras, both showcased by great promoters), what made them and other greats so good? Besides the trainers, conditioning and natural talent, these guys honed their skills by staying busy. They didn't just fight once or twice a year. When they weren't defending titles they were involved non-title fights. They didn't just train themselves into condition, they "fought" themselves into shape.
It's human nature to be better at thngs that we do often. A fighter is best off when fighting in the ring in front of an audience, which is much different than gym wars. Guys get title fights today that would not have qualified for a non-title match in other eras. Look at the records of past champs, and I'm not even speaking of guys like Armstrong, who defended his welter title 18 times in two years while also holding the featherweight title, and for awhile the lightweight title as well. Besides title fights in three divisions he fought top rate contenders in non-title bouts. Checkout the records of Olivares, Napoles, Carlos Ortiz, just to name a few off the top of my head.
What promoter today is going to risk losing a box-office draw by matching him with somebody who might win? And in the old days, some of these great champs would drop a decision or come up short in a non-title fight. It goes back to the reality that nobody is great 365 days a year. So what? The cream will always rise to the top. And besides, what is more boring than a guy who cannot be beat? A guy scores an upset in a non-title match, and then you have a great excuse to make a title match. When done properly, it's been proven that boxing can take care of itself, but only with the help of brilliant promoters/matchmakers.
While guys like Hap Navarro made it easy for a fan to fork over the cost of a ticket, knowing that they would see a great show complete with great matches, a celebrity audience and a feeling that somebody went out of their way to entertain them. Today, it is not unusual for a boxing audience to feel "strangled" by a weak undercard, and a good chance the main event will be a bore as well. No wonder young fans aren't catching on to the world of boxing, and seeking excitement from the MMA, etc.
To fix boxing, you need not just fix the talent of the boxers and teachers, but the guys who will put them in matches. I truly believe that without the great promoters/matchmakers, boxing would have died long ago. With a majority of today's boxer's weak in talent, and promoters not understanding how to please a crowd, the sport is in a desperate condition.
Boxing has always survived it's challenges, but it always had talent to rely on. Today, we are at a loss on fronts.
My opinion, of course.
-Rick Farris
Thanks Pal.To sound like 'ol Wilson:I don't care what they say about you. You're all rightiskigoe wrote:Roger,
It amazes me how these guys could find the top company to hand with.
Now that I think of it. Just like me here.
KI
No likey pozole,no likey Boom Boom.Just bring on menudo con pata.And you stay home at night. Well,you're an easy man to please,I guess.dagosd2000 wrote:Can't help it if I'm a kept man and spoil rotten, still don't likey, fishy, cheesy, but bring on the menudo con pata....
[/quote]I likey Boom Boon, I likey girl....kikibalt wrote:No likey pozole,no likey Boom Boom.Just bring on menudo con pata.And you stay home at night. Well,you're an easy man to please,I guess.dagosd2000 wrote:Can't help it if I'm a kept man and spoil rotten, still don't likey, fishy, cheesy, but bring on the menudo con pata....
[/quote]Happy birthday, Rog, compare to some of us, you're still a babe in the woods....dagosd2000 wrote:After I drop off Adam at Karate class,I'm going to take a spin down to National City. See if that kid I was talking about showed up at the Community Center gym. Yeh,go to a boxing gym. Watching the boys work up a sweat. Almost as good as the Boom Boom. Maybe at my age,it's where I should go. I mean the boxing gym. I'm turning 62 in three weeks. Don't know where I'd perform worse. Inside a boxing ring or inside a room full of women who want you to buy THEM a ring.
Nice photo Frank. I took a peek at Simon's record. He fought twice for the heavyweight title against Louis. He was stopped both times. At 6' 4" he was a fairly good sized heavyweight and weighing about 255 for both fights. Maybe Louis wouldn't have as much trouble with big guys fighting today like everyone thinks. Simon stopped Jersey Joe Walcott in 6 in an 8 round fight. So he was fairly formidable. Simon had 47 fights, won 36, 25 by knockout, he lost 10 fights and had 1 draw. Was Simon considered one of the Bum of the Month Club?kikibalt wrote:
Joe Louis vs Abe Simon
1942
Rick, there has to be a spot up there for the Hollywood Legion Stadium and the Olympic Auditorium.Rick Farris wrote:Rick
You hit the nail on the head. The sad part is, as we grow older the young boxing fan is going to digest what's going on today with out getting cramps. Where do we begin to put our finger in the dam? Promoting has fallen into the hands of a greedy few. Trainers are flying by the seat of their pants when it comes to expertise. Fighters climb through the ropes without an amateur backround. The heavyweight division ahould be renamed the "overweight division." The local arenas have been converted into thrift stores. Pay Per View is making us pay through the nose. And the different divisions are as deep in talent,especially the heavier ones,as a mirage in the desert.
Us guys on the thread can complain. We have memories. The younger fans don't understand. Their frame of reference may go back to Iron Mike and that's it.
Oh well,when I finally can't beat the count,I'll look forward to see if there's a Main Street Gym up there. I hope that's the direction I'm headed.
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Rog . . . I'm sure if there is a boxing heaven the Main Street Gym will be found on the Westside, and Stillman's on the East, just as it should be. You're right, the younger fans don't miss what they don't know. On another thread in this forum, I read a guy giving his analysis of how Vitali Klitschko would fare with 70's heavyweights. Most of the kids who post there believe that he'd have KO'ed Foreman, and Frazier and Quarry and Lyle and Norton and Shavers. Of course, Muhammad Ali would win, but that's because somewhere they heard that Ali was, "The Greatest". It's really quite amusing.
Poor kids don't have any clue that neither of the K boys would ever jump into the ring with the monsters of that era, or that little Rocky Marciano would break their ribs. Could you see the Russian brigade facing Sonny Liston or Jack Dempsey while the ref gives instructions?
-Rick Farris
