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Rick Farris wrote:Rick
You hit the nail on the head. The sad part is, as we grow older the young boxing fan is going to digest what's going on today with out getting cramps. Where do we begin to put our finger in the dam? Promoting has fallen into the hands of a greedy few. Trainers are flying by the seat of their pants when it comes to expertise. Fighters climb through the ropes without an amateur backround. The heavyweight division ahould be renamed the "overweight division." The local arenas have been converted into thrift stores. Pay Per View is making us pay through the nose. And the different divisions are as deep in talent,especially the heavier ones,as a mirage in the desert.

Us guys on the thread can complain. We have memories. The younger fans don't understand. Their frame of reference may go back to Iron Mike and that's it.

Oh well,when I finally can't beat the count,I'll look forward to see if there's a Main Street Gym up there. I hope that's the direction I'm headed.
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Rog . . . I'm sure if there is a boxing heaven the Main Street Gym will be found on the Westside, and Stillman's on the East, just as it should be. You're right, the younger fans don't miss what they don't know. On another thread in this forum, I read a guy giving his analysis of how Vitali Klitschko would fare with 70's heavyweights. Most of the kids who post there believe that he'd have KO'ed Foreman, and Frazier and Quarry and Lyle and Norton and Shavers. Of course, Muhammad Ali would win, but that's because somewhere they heard that Ali was, "The Greatest". It's really quite amusing.

Poor kids don't have any clue that neither of the K boys would ever jump into the ring with the monsters of that era, or that little Rocky Marciano would break their ribs. Could you see the Russian brigade facing Sonny Liston or Jack Dempsey while the ref gives instructions? :oo :lol:


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Rick, there has to be a spot up there for the Hollywood Legion Stadium and the Olympic Auditorium.

Regarding the K boys: I can't even get myself to watch them. Our only hope is that out there somewhere there is a kid with a gleam in his eye and some dynamite in his fists, training away. Maybe he's only 16 right now. Whoever's training this kid, I hope they see his potential. I hope they do the right thing. He's out there. We'll know him when we see him.

Randy :box: :box:

Yes, Randy . . . Somewhere over the Rainbow. One thing is guaranteed, nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. Despite the disappointing nature of young Mike Tyson's brilliant-tragic career, he showed me a sign of something I'd not seen of late. He had what I liked the heavyweight champ to be, in the beginning. But that was a quarter century back, already. Does it seem like yesterday that we first heard the name Mike Tyson, and saw him on TV in the Olympic trials? 25 years since Mike was 18.

As Johnnie Flores used to say . . . "Time marches on!"



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dagosd2000 wrote:After I drop off Adam at Karate class,I'm going to take a spin down to National City. See if that kid I was talking about showed up at the Community Center gym. Yeh,go to a boxing gym. Watching the boys work up a sweat. Almost as good as the Boom Boom. Maybe at my age,it's where I should go. I mean the boxing gym. I'm turning 62 in three weeks. Don't know where I'd perform worse. Inside a boxing ring or inside a room full of women who want you to buy THEM a ring. :lol:
Happy birthday, Rog, compare to some of us, you're still a babe in the woods.... :TU:

What day in April would that be?, Connie (22) and Frankie (14) are from April too.
April 6th,1947. Easter Sunday. That's how I got my egg head. :lol:
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I was watching two fat guys fighting on ESPN2 right now, then I said, "why am I watching this garbage?" so I turn off the TV..... :witzend:
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GO FIGURE

I felt a tap on my shoulder as I was watching some of the kids workout. Hitting bags,shadow boxing.I looked around and see this old guy squinting at me. Right off the bat I knew he's Mexican.
"So who are you?",he asked still looking at me up and down.
"I sent a kid here who was interested in being a boxer."
I was trying to put him at ease. Why he was a little uptight,I couldn't figure.
"So where are you from?",he asked still not opening up his eyes all the way.
"I'm a school teacher in the South Bay. One of my students I sent over here. He was supposed to meet me here at this time."
"No student came in here,"he said shaking his head.
"He might be runnin' a little late."
I could see the old guy didn't trust me.
"While I'm waiting,do you mind if I take some pictures. I write for the BoxRec Forum. I talked to a fella a while back named Carlos. I took some shots of him. Want to give you guys some free publicity."
"Carlos is my son",said the old guy fronting me like he wanted me out the door.
"Yeh,I talked to him about three weeks ago."
"You have to talk to him now",he said.
"Is he coming in?"
"No. He went home sick."
"Ok if I take some pictures of the kids training?"
I noticed that the two trainers working with the kids couldn't have much into their 20's.
"No way. "
I could see the old man was starting to get frustrated.
"Well maybe some other time. I'll wait a little longer for my student to show."
"He hasn't been here. You need to come back when my son is here."
Now I wanted to exit. No warmth exuding from this sour face.

I waited out at the corner for 15 minutes. The kid never arrived. I walked across the street to my car. I must have arrived under a bad sign. Vibes were all wrong. On top of it all,I can't stand an old guy that has no wisdom.
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kikibalt wrote:I was watching two fat guys fighting on ESPN2 right now, then I said, "why am I watching this garbage?" so I turn off the TV..... :witzend:
Hey Frank
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Tonight I also watch two so call "Hot Prospects" John Molina and Shawn Estrada, I'm waiting to see the poise, polish, placing their punches, etc etc, instead I see two "Hot Prospects" that looked to be no better then two raw amateurs..... :witzend:
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Jose Beccera . . .

Spoke with Rodolfo Gonzalez yesterday. El Gato tells me that his cousin, Jose Beccera, has cancer and is +not doing well.
He is in my prayers.

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Rick,

It is sad to see the Hoover Gym gone, where many great fighters trained. The people who live in the nice new homes there now have no idea about the sweat and punches and all the other things that went in the gym years ago, right on the very spot where they are living. And of the great fighters who made history. I remeber alot of them, besides myself, there was Mando Ramos, Raul Rojas, Kenny Norton, Hedgeman Lewis,"Scrape Iron" Johnson, Don Jordan, Andy Heiman, Monroe Brooks, Andy "The Hawk" Price, Benny "Memin" Rodriguez, and Marcano.
Some of the managers and trainers were Jacky McCoy, Eddie Fuch, Henry Davis, and Thel Torrance. I'm sure there are more.

Randy,

You are right about the area being rough. I remember there was an old school bus with no tires and broken out windows parked in the gym parking lot. Every time I would pass by the bus I would smell the smoke from mariguana cigarettes coming out the windows. I would yell " Here comes the police" and someone would yell back "Shut up." Also there were beer cans here and there around the parking lot. There were sometimes reports of break-ins and shootings. It was not a safe place.

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dagosd2000 wrote:
bennie wrote:Gutted to read about Steven Luevano's eye problems. I was at ringside in London when he broke up Nicky Cook to win the WBO title and he really impressed me with his slickness and the way he worked the body. I hope he is able to come through this.
Hi Bennie 'ol chap. How's things goin' with the hearing? Rog
Still the same. I'll have to learn to live with it, I guess (tinnitus is incurable), but the learning is not going to be fun. Thanks for asking. Rog.
Are your eyes OK?
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Joe Louis vs Abe Simon
1942
Nice photo Frank. I took a peek at Simon's record. He fought twice for the heavyweight title against Louis. He was stopped both times. At 6' 4" he was a fairly good sized heavyweight and weighing about 255 for both fights. Maybe Louis wouldn't have as much trouble with big guys fighting today like everyone thinks. Simon stopped Jersey Joe Walcott in 6 in an 8 round fight. So he was fairly formidable. Simon had 47 fights, won 36, 25 by knockout, he lost 10 fights and had 1 draw. Was Simon considered one of the Bum of the Month Club?

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Simon had a mug on him though I'll give him that.

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Simon sure looked like a great poker player.
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Rick Farris wrote:The Card in T.J.

Personally speaking, if I truly wanted to see that card in Tijuana, I'd order a ticket and go. I would cross the border, find the venue, and attend the fight. When it was over, I'd leave, cross back over the border. What's the big deal? Personally, even if I were given two ringside seats by Bob Arum himself, I wouldn't cross the street to watch J.C. Chavez Jr. let alone the border.

The only guy on the card I like is Fernando Montiel. Nobody wants trouble, but lets be honest, a lot of people on this side of the border are afraid of their shadows. Sadly, today's events may have one interesting competitive match, then a card full of crap. On this thread we talk of boxers can no longer fight as those from past eras, and that there are no trainers to teach boxing. We can take that a step farther by saying that there are no longer great promoters or matchmakers.

These days, in the ring you won't see a Enrique Bolanos or Manuel Ortiz, and in the corner there are no Jackie McCoy's or Johnny Forbes. However, even if they were still aound, there is no George Parnassus, Aileen Eaton or Hap Navarro to promote the event. When we bought a ticket to see Ruben Olivares or Mantequilla Napoles in a title defense, we didn't have to sit thru a half dozen crap fights to get to the main event. Aileen, George and Hap knew how to enhance the main event with a super undercard.

When Mando Ramos took on his former stablemate Raul Rojas in a ten round grudge fight, Eaton could have still sold out the house with a weak undercard, but she didn't just put on one good fight, she put on several. Frankie Crawford and Armando Muniz were also on the card. When Hap Navarro had Enrique Bolanos fighting Eddie Chavez in the main event, he pitted two hot shot up & comers, Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli in the semi. When George Parnassus matched Mantequilla Napoles with Hedgeman Lewis in a welter title fight, he opened with a bantam title fight between the great Ruben Olivares and Jesus Pimentel.

You really got your mony's worth in those days. We not only had great boxers and trainers, but great matchmakers. Lucky for me they were still around when I was coming up.


-Rick Farris
Rick, I remember once in an article a writer asked Parnassus why he put on that double-header of Napoles-Lewis and Olivares-Pimental when he could have sold out the Forum twice with them on individual cards. Parnassus looked at the writer and said, "The idea is not to be the richest promoter, but to be the best." Yeah, I'm sure guys like Don King, et al, have kept that as their credo.

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kikibalt wrote:I was watching two fat guys fighting on ESPN2 right now, then I said, "why am I watching this garbage?" so I turn off the TV..... :witzend:
Frank, I caught the last 3 rounds of that last night, if it was the Eddie Chambers-Sam Peter fight you're talking about (it could be another one between two other fat guys you're talking about. Let's face it, that's what the heavyweight are these days). Anyways, it was disgusting. Sam Peter shows up at 265. They say about 15 pounds over his last bout, which I believe was against Klitschko. Slow, lumbering and exhausted. He, his corner, the promoter and ESPN for televising it should be ashamed. As for Eddie Chambers, I was impressed with his hand speed, but again, what's with the big gelatinous roll around the waistline? Not to mention the guys got a pair of hooters. What the hell??? This guy could have a future, does his corner not concern themselves with conditioning? Man, I remember Joe Ponce and Jackie McCoy always getting on Bobby Chacon and Mando Ramos' asses about sticking to the gym (not that it helped, but at least they tried). While I watched this I was reminded of a very minor telecast from years before. Some main event ended early and they stuck on two heavyweights in a 4 rounder. Some tub of shite named Lou Esa was fighting and jerry Quarry, who was retired, was doing color commentary and you could still hear the passion in Quarry's voice as he said when asked how he would fight Esa, he said, "Oh, man, I would love to dig a left hook to that body!"

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scartissue wrote:
kikibalt wrote:I was watching two fat guys fighting on ESPN2 right now, then I said, "why am I watching this garbage?" so I turn off the TV..... :witzend:
Frank, I caught the last 3 rounds of that last night, if it was the Eddie Chambers-Sam Peter fight you're talking about (it could be another one between two other fat guys you're talking about. Let's face it, that's what the heavyweight are these days). Anyways, it was disgusting. Sam Peter shows up at 265. They say about 15 pounds over his last bout, which I believe was against Klitschko. Slow, lumbering and exhausted. He, his corner, the promoter and ESPN for televising it should be ashamed. As for Eddie Chambers, I was impressed with his hand speed, but again, what's with the big gelatinous roll around the waistline? Not to mention the guys got a pair of hooters. What the hell??? This guy could have a future, does his corner not concern themselves with conditioning? Man, I remember Joe Ponce and Jackie McCoy always getting on Bobby Chacon and Mando Ramos' asses about sticking to the gym (not that it helped, but at least they tried). While I watched this I was reminded of a very minor telecast from years before. Some main event ended early and they stuck on two heavyweights in a 4 rounder. Some tub of shite named Lou Esa was fighting and jerry Quarry, who was retired, was doing color commentary and you could still hear the passion in Quarry's voice as he said when asked how he would fight Esa, he said, "Oh, man, I would love to dig a left hook to that body!"

Scartissue
Lol.. :lol: , Yeah! those were the two fatties I was watching last night, don't know why I like to torure myself like that... :witzend:
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James Ellroy details his search for love in Playboy

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The crime fiction writer says his mother's unsolved murder led him on a quest for the perfect woman.

By Scott Timberg

It's the kind of house Hancock Park is famous for: unemphatic but impressive, with a perfect lawn, fresh coat of paint and ivy crawling up the walls. By Los Angeles standards, this is old-school cool. ¶ James Ellroy, all 6 feet 3 of him, is stomping across that manicured lawn, sporting a Hawaiian shirt and golfer's cap and pretending to walk a nonexistent dog. He mimics staring into the window, then simulates masturbating to what he sees inside. ¶ "Just like that," he offers. ¶ This was how the writer, then a gangly teenager living off inhalers and stolen booze and dreaming of literary greatness, spent his youth. Or at least that's the story he's telling today. ¶ Ellroy often behaves as if he's on camera -- offering off-color anecdotes, barking like a dog and generally acting out. But today he actually is: He's walking around this old-money neighborhood (and, the day after, through the city of El Monte) with a video crew from Playboy. ¶ They're shooting a documentary to accompany "The Hilliker Curse," a four-part serial he's writing for the magazine about his relationships with women. The first installment appears in the April issue, which has just hit the stands. The video, meanwhile, will appear at Playboy.com to launch a "Walkabout" series with important writers. ¶ The "L.A. Confidential" author later says he never masturbated on neighbors' lawns -- "That was just hyperbole!" -- but he was a dedicated peeper and self-described "perv" during his teenage years.

"I have been inside that house, illegally, on numerous occasions," Ellroy says proudly, pointing to a handsome Spanish Colonial near the intersection of 2nd Street and Plymouth Boulevard.

He's stolen pills, underwear, a turkey breast and "a five spot" from this place he still thinks of as "Cathy Montgomery's house." All this despite the fact that security signs started to appear on well-tended L.A. lawns in the summer of 1969, thanks to the Manson family.

Ellroy has covered this ground before. In 1996, he published "My Dark Places," a memoir that even those skeptical of his overheated crime novels consider a literary accomplishment. With that book, he revisited his mother's unsolved murder in El Monte -- in 1958, when he was 10 -- as well as his lost years as a peeper, binge drinker and neo-Nazi in Los Angeles.

Much of the book concerned his search, with a Los Angeles County sheriff's homicide detective, for his mother's killer.

"That was a great book," Ellroy declares unapologetically, "but it's largely a crime book. This is a love story."

Of course, not quite a conventional love story.

"I'm always," he says, head hanging like an abashed 12-year-old's, "looking for love."

"The Hilliker Curse" -- Hilliker was his mother's maiden name -- appears as Playboy is, like most print publications, going through strange times.

Declining circulation (about half its 1970s peak) is a worry, but not as much as the sense that, like founder Hugh Hefner -- who recently starting charging for parties at the Playboy mansion -- the magazine no longer reflects its time.

"Hefner's aura of Gatsby-esque sophistication is ever more at odds with his advancing years, and a changing world," London's the Independent judged in October. Plummeting stock prices, the recent resignation of his daughter, Chief Executive Christie Hefner, and a rumor, since denied by Playboy, that the company might be for sale, haven't helped.

It's also a period of transition for Ellroy. His celebrated "L.A. Quartet" of novels -- "The Black Dahlia," "The Big Nowhere," "L.A. Confidential" and "White Jazz" -- published in six years. But it's been eight years since his last novel, "The Cold Six Thousand."

Such a drought will end this fall with the publication of "Blood's a Rover," which completes the "American Underworld Trilogy" begun with "The Cold Six Thousand" and "American Tabloid." It also marks what the author calls his farewell to "the autobiographical elements," although it's not clear where he'll go next.

"This is the end of Act 2 of my career," he says of the trilogy and his Playboy project.

Besides the enormous success of Curtis Hanson's "L.A. Confidential," films of Ellroy's books have not worked out. Still, he remains a powerful writer, especially for fans of a style that mixes the minimalism native to the hard-boiled tradition with his own maximalist overkill.

"The Hilliker Curse" has the mix of hyped-up prose and rapid storytelling that readers expect from Ellroy's novels, blended with a reflective quality he's rarely shown in the past.

Whereas the first installment revisits his childhood, the unsolved murder and his teenage peeping, ensuing chapters look at how his mother's death drove him to search for the perfect woman, to seek out both prostitutes and (fruitlessly) women of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, to pass notes with his phone number in coffee shops, to send literally thousands of dollars in flowers.

Now 61, he is, he says, in "an erotic frenzy." ("James Ellroy: Why I Chase Women," Playboy's April cover boasts.)

Amy Grace Loyd -- the literary editor who scored a coup by bringing National Book Award-winning novelist Denis Johnson to Playboy last year with a serial novel -- calls Ellroy "a good fit" for the magazine.

"One of the things about Playboy," Loyd says, "is that it's always been a marriage of high and low. Ellroy has innovated genre fiction into something more sophisticated, but he's also driven by appetite, driven by urges."

Loyd is with Ellroy in Hancock Park, following as he leads the video crew past a row of houses that goes from Spanish revival to mock Tudor to Florentine in the space of half of a block. She playfully pulls her Egyptian cotton shawl over her head each time he goes too far.

Walking down 2nd Street, Ellroy waxes rhapsodic: "Girls in sherbet-colored gowns going to cotillions, Marlborough girls in uniforms. . . ."

As for his current taste in women, he says, "I want rectitude, brain power and passion."

But: "Quite often I take what I can get."

'Spiritual document'

A few days later, Ellroy is talking again, this time in the Rossmore Avenue Art Deco-era condo where he has lived since 2006. The place is decorated with framed Deutsche Grammophon records, black-and-white photos of 1940s and 1950s Los Angeles and dozens of copies of his books. He's an exemplar not just of romanticism, he says, but of the "symphonic romanticism" he learned from Beethoven and Bruckner.

"The Hilliker Curse," he believes, is "a spiritual document. There's never been a male memoir like this one. It was the desire to consistently update my state of mind and spiritual condition pertaining to women. To honor the women I've been with, to chart this journey of transcendence."

He discusses the three great loves of his life -- ex-wife Helen Knode and two other women he prefers not to name -- and describes the evenings he spends stretched out on his couch, speaking to them in his mind.

And yet, he claims, he's no longer exorcising a demon, as with "My Dark Places," but exploring his obsessive soul.

"I'm made for obsessiveness," Ellroy says. "I'm built for it. I'm big and skinny, and I run at a high rev. I love to be alone most of the time. I'm emotionally hungry, I'm horny, I have a profound conscience. I have never messed around with a cheesy woman."

Will "The Hilliker Curse" destroy his tough-guy image?

It may, he says, but "only with a bunch of authenticity-seeking young men. You know how men seek authenticity through the most specious and vile male human beings?

"Thinking artists like Charles Bukowski and Hunter S. Thompson are authentic. Au contraire. It's puerile. Real guys love God, Beethoven and women."

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bennie wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
bennie wrote:Gutted to read about Steven Luevano's eye problems. I was at ringside in London when he broke up Nicky Cook to win the WBO title and he really impressed me with his slickness and the way he worked the body. I hope he is able to come through this.
Hi Bennie 'ol chap. How's things goin' with the hearing? Rog
Still the same. I'll have to learn to live with it, I guess (tinnitus is incurable), but the learning is not going to be fun. Thanks for asking. Rog.
Are your eyes OK?
Bennie
The right eye is very good. The cataract was removed and they did a Lasix to correct the vision. The left eye will have the same procedure done down the road.


Yeh,Pal. When you're young you think you can go for ever. As you get old,sometimes it's an effort just to go on. Take care. Rog. :TU:
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scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:The Card in T.J.

Personally speaking, if I truly wanted to see that card in Tijuana, I'd order a ticket and go. I would cross the border, find the venue, and attend the fight. When it was over, I'd leave, cross back over the border. What's the big deal? Personally, even if I were given two ringside seats by Bob Arum himself, I wouldn't cross the street to watch J.C. Chavez Jr. let alone the border.

The only guy on the card I like is Fernando Montiel. Nobody wants trouble, but lets be honest, a lot of people on this side of the border are afraid of their shadows. Sadly, today's events may have one interesting competitive match, then a card full of crap. On this thread we talk of boxers can no longer fight as those from past eras, and that there are no trainers to teach boxing. We can take that a step farther by saying that there are no longer great promoters or matchmakers.

These days, in the ring you won't see a Enrique Bolanos or Manuel Ortiz, and in the corner there are no Jackie McCoy's or Johnny Forbes. However, even if they were still aound, there is no George Parnassus, Aileen Eaton or Hap Navarro to promote the event. When we bought a ticket to see Ruben Olivares or Mantequilla Napoles in a title defense, we didn't have to sit thru a half dozen crap fights to get to the main event. Aileen, George and Hap knew how to enhance the main event with a super undercard.

When Mando Ramos took on his former stablemate Raul Rojas in a ten round grudge fight, Eaton could have still sold out the house with a weak undercard, but she didn't just put on one good fight, she put on several. Frankie Crawford and Armando Muniz were also on the card. When Hap Navarro had Enrique Bolanos fighting Eddie Chavez in the main event, he pitted two hot shot up & comers, Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli in the semi. When George Parnassus matched Mantequilla Napoles with Hedgeman Lewis in a welter title fight, he opened with a bantam title fight between the great Ruben Olivares and Jesus Pimentel.

You really got your mony's worth in those days. We not only had great boxers and trainers, but great matchmakers. Lucky for me they were still around when I was coming up.


-Rick Farris
Rick, I remember once in an article a writer asked Parnassus why he put on that double-header of Napoles-Lewis and Olivares-Pimental when he could have sold out the Forum twice with them on individual cards. Parnassus looked at the writer and said, "The idea is not to be the richest promoter, but to be the best." Yeah, I'm sure guys like Don King, et al, have kept that as their credo.

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Dan
I was at the forum that night. That question was always in the back of my mind. Thanks for the explanation. Rog :TU:
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dagosd2000 wrote:
bennie wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Gutted to read about Steven Luevano's eye problems. I was at ringside in London when he broke up Nicky Cook to win the WBO title and he really impressed me with his slickness and the way he worked the body. I hope he is able to come through this.
Hi Bennie 'ol chap. How's things goin' with the hearing? Rog
Still the same. I'll have to learn to live with it, I guess (tinnitus is incurable), but the learning is not going to be fun. Thanks for asking. Rog.
Are your eyes OK?

Bennie
The right eye is very good. The cataract was removed and they did a Lasix to correct the vision. The left eye will have the same procedure done down the road.


Yeh,Pal. When you're young you think you can go for ever. As you get old,sometimes it's an effort just to go on. Take care. Rog. :TU:
Yeah, Rog, like that old saying, "What I used to do all night, now takes me all night to do "... :witzend:
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kikibalt wrote:James Ellroy details his search for love in Playboy

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The crime fiction writer says his mother's unsolved murder led him on a quest for the perfect woman.

By Scott Timberg

It's the kind of house Hancock Park is famous for: unemphatic but impressive, with a perfect lawn, fresh coat of paint and ivy crawling up the walls. By Los Angeles standards, this is old-school cool. ¶ James Ellroy, all 6 feet 3 of him, is stomping across that manicured lawn, sporting a Hawaiian shirt and golfer's cap and pretending to walk a nonexistent dog. He mimics staring into the window, then simulates masturbating to what he sees inside. ¶ "Just like that," he offers. ¶ This was how the writer, then a gangly teenager living off inhalers and stolen booze and dreaming of literary greatness, spent his youth. Or at least that's the story he's telling today. ¶ Ellroy often behaves as if he's on camera -- offering off-color anecdotes, barking like a dog and generally acting out. But today he actually is: He's walking around this old-money neighborhood (and, the day after, through the city of El Monte) with a video crew from Playboy. ¶ They're shooting a documentary to accompany "The Hilliker Curse," a four-part serial he's writing for the magazine about his relationships with women. The first installment appears in the April issue, which has just hit the stands. The video, meanwhile, will appear at Playboy.com to launch a "Walkabout" series with important writers. ¶ The "L.A. Confidential" author later says he never masturbated on neighbors' lawns -- "That was just hyperbole!" -- but he was a dedicated peeper and self-described "perv" during his teenage years.

"I have been inside that house, illegally, on numerous occasions," Ellroy says proudly, pointing to a handsome Spanish Colonial near the intersection of 2nd Street and Plymouth Boulevard.

He's stolen pills, underwear, a turkey breast and "a five spot" from this place he still thinks of as "Cathy Montgomery's house." All this despite the fact that security signs started to appear on well-tended L.A. lawns in the summer of 1969, thanks to the Manson family.

Ellroy has covered this ground before. In 1996, he published "My Dark Places," a memoir that even those skeptical of his overheated crime novels consider a literary accomplishment. With that book, he revisited his mother's unsolved murder in El Monte -- in 1958, when he was 10 -- as well as his lost years as a peeper, binge drinker and neo-Nazi in Los Angeles.

Much of the book concerned his search, with a Los Angeles County sheriff's homicide detective, for his mother's killer.

"That was a great book," Ellroy declares unapologetically, "but it's largely a crime book. This is a love story."

Of course, not quite a conventional love story.

"I'm always," he says, head hanging like an abashed 12-year-old's, "looking for love."

"The Hilliker Curse" -- Hilliker was his mother's maiden name -- appears as Playboy is, like most print publications, going through strange times.

Declining circulation (about half its 1970s peak) is a worry, but not as much as the sense that, like founder Hugh Hefner -- who recently starting charging for parties at the Playboy mansion -- the magazine no longer reflects its time.

"Hefner's aura of Gatsby-esque sophistication is ever more at odds with his advancing years, and a changing world," London's the Independent judged in October. Plummeting stock prices, the recent resignation of his daughter, Chief Executive Christie Hefner, and a rumor, since denied by Playboy, that the company might be for sale, haven't helped.

It's also a period of transition for Ellroy. His celebrated "L.A. Quartet" of novels -- "The Black Dahlia," "The Big Nowhere," "L.A. Confidential" and "White Jazz" -- published in six years. But it's been eight years since his last novel, "The Cold Six Thousand."

Such a drought will end this fall with the publication of "Blood's a Rover," which completes the "American Underworld Trilogy" begun with "The Cold Six Thousand" and "American Tabloid." It also marks what the author calls his farewell to "the autobiographical elements," although it's not clear where he'll go next.

"This is the end of Act 2 of my career," he says of the trilogy and his Playboy project.

Besides the enormous success of Curtis Hanson's "L.A. Confidential," films of Ellroy's books have not worked out. Still, he remains a powerful writer, especially for fans of a style that mixes the minimalism native to the hard-boiled tradition with his own maximalist overkill.

"The Hilliker Curse" has the mix of hyped-up prose and rapid storytelling that readers expect from Ellroy's novels, blended with a reflective quality he's rarely shown in the past.

Whereas the first installment revisits his childhood, the unsolved murder and his teenage peeping, ensuing chapters look at how his mother's death drove him to search for the perfect woman, to seek out both prostitutes and (fruitlessly) women of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, to pass notes with his phone number in coffee shops, to send literally thousands of dollars in flowers.

Now 61, he is, he says, in "an erotic frenzy." ("James Ellroy: Why I Chase Women," Playboy's April cover boasts.)

Amy Grace Loyd -- the literary editor who scored a coup by bringing National Book Award-winning novelist Denis Johnson to Playboy last year with a serial novel -- calls Ellroy "a good fit" for the magazine.

"One of the things about Playboy," Loyd says, "is that it's always been a marriage of high and low. Ellroy has innovated genre fiction into something more sophisticated, but he's also driven by appetite, driven by urges."

Loyd is with Ellroy in Hancock Park, following as he leads the video crew past a row of houses that goes from Spanish revival to mock Tudor to Florentine in the space of half of a block. She playfully pulls her Egyptian cotton shawl over her head each time he goes too far.

Walking down 2nd Street, Ellroy waxes rhapsodic: "Girls in sherbet-colored gowns going to cotillions, Marlborough girls in uniforms. . . ."

As for his current taste in women, he says, "I want rectitude, brain power and passion."

But: "Quite often I take what I can get."

'Spiritual document'

A few days later, Ellroy is talking again, this time in the Rossmore Avenue Art Deco-era condo where he has lived since 2006. The place is decorated with framed Deutsche Grammophon records, black-and-white photos of 1940s and 1950s Los Angeles and dozens of copies of his books. He's an exemplar not just of romanticism, he says, but of the "symphonic romanticism" he learned from Beethoven and Bruckner.

"The Hilliker Curse," he believes, is "a spiritual document. There's never been a male memoir like this one. It was the desire to consistently update my state of mind and spiritual condition pertaining to women. To honor the women I've been with, to chart this journey of transcendence."

He discusses the three great loves of his life -- ex-wife Helen Knode and two other women he prefers not to name -- and describes the evenings he spends stretched out on his couch, speaking to them in his mind.

And yet, he claims, he's no longer exorcising a demon, as with "My Dark Places," but exploring his obsessive soul.

"I'm made for obsessiveness," Ellroy says. "I'm built for it. I'm big and skinny, and I run at a high rev. I love to be alone most of the time. I'm emotionally hungry, I'm horny, I have a profound conscience. I have never messed around with a cheesy woman."

Will "The Hilliker Curse" destroy his tough-guy image?

It may, he says, but "only with a bunch of authenticity-seeking young men. You know how men seek authenticity through the most specious and vile male human beings?

"Thinking artists like Charles Bukowski and Hunter S. Thompson are authentic. Au contraire. It's puerile. Real guys love God, Beethoven and women."

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Interesting article. A few things flashed through my mind. I haven't picked up a Playboy in a while. Last time I looked,things were getting pretty graphic. Now you know why people buy these magazines. The Internet will bring down not only the Playboys of the world,but newspapers as well.

That last quote is a classic. I think I'll steal it when when brought up in conversation.

One last thing. I'm getting on in age. No way I'd pay to go to the Playboy Mansion to find some young thing. I can always drop down to the Coahuila. :lol:
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Frank
Going to TJ today with the wife. This time I won't forget my camera. Who knows what will happen. I do know this. A great place to get some contrasting pictures.
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My 20 Greatest

By Hype Igoe

NEW YORK, march 10.
Corbett, the immaculate stylist the genuine who put the high silk
hat on The Manly Art of Self Defense, had come to his last stand
He was meeting Jim Jeffries the second time, the hairy, powerful, wonderfully fast champion of the world.

Corbett, who used the unknown Jeffries as an undercover sparboy at Carson City when Jim was training for the fight with Fitzimmons, had lived to see this
Same young, powerful boilermaker climb the ladder of fame
hand over fist in astounding fashion, to knock out freckled Fitzslmmons in Jsff's 11 th professional bout.

Corbett must have reasoned that his one-time handy-man was
far greater than the Carson City trials had indicated. Corbett was
keen on those points, yet, after Jeff had boiled Fitz to sleep in 11
rounds at Coney Island, Corbett had confedence enough In his own
speed to reason that a year's hard training would bring him back
such physical perfection that he might—yes, he WOULD defeat
Jeffries and become the first man to regain the title under Queensberry
rules.

History of the rlng tells you that Corbett had Jeff licked going
Into the 23rd round at Coney. Indeed, Charley White, "Our Eagle
Eye," the referee, walked Into Corbett's corner after the 15th
and whispered:

"Swell work, Jim. Keep it up!
You'r the new heavyweight champion of the world!"

That friendly gesture may have been the one thing which brought
about Corbett's defeat. J!m was backing toward he ropes, mentally
arguing with himself, just what sort of colors were to be on the fence posts announcing the new world's title holder .

"I was trying to determlne ln my mind whether to order in green, blue or white tights on the 10-sheet lithographs," Jim told me years afterwards. Then he went on:

"As this confusion of color danced before my eyes, Jeff
forced me toward the'ropes I thought I had four feet leeway.

"Instead, there were but two and as I stepped back, with a
sense of four feet of security, my back hit the ropes and I -abounded
Into the only real punch Jeffries had succeeded In landing all
through the fight! When I came to, my brother Harry had my
head held to his breast, crying to break his heart."

"What's wrong? Anything happen?""

'Yes, Jim, he knocked you I out!""

So, three years.! later, Jim was | to try agaln, at the age of 37!
Ah, time had taken its toll of thee once dashing conqueror of
John L. Sullivan. He was not the sleek apparition of Ivory-and
black who whizzed around the "Greatest Roman of Them All" on
the sand and sawdust at New Orleans

Muscles no longer sparkled under top lights. I can see Jeffries
now. walking down the aisle without a bathrobe, hair bristling
from the top of his shoulders, four inches long.

The cadaver and the caveman Jim, as was his custom, went
from one side of the ring to the other, waving to friends who were
or were not out there. He was himself. The bottle-browed champion
took casual peeks at Jim's flabby arms, his Autumn legs, his
forced blithe movements, with just the suspicion of barndoor squeaks as Jim tried to emulate bubbling youth

These casual squints at the- man who had been THE MASTER
BOXER convinced the sullen Jeffries that all would be exceedingly
well and , that his coronet still would be nesting In his black
curls when the end came!

Jack Barrett, hustling young Irishman, who was managing
editor of the San Francisco Examiner, wanted a dramatic flashlight
of the end of the drama, whichever way It went. He told
me that Corbett was certain to be crushed. He asked "Sunshine"
Jim Coffrolh to permit our paper to hang a little camera stand from
beneath the front of the balcony, directly opposite the ring. He sent
his crack cameraman to take the finale . This Irishman was tried and true and a wonder at "getting "sensantional pictures . Barrett asked me to occupy the little swinging stand to prompt the action . according to me the honor of being the first camara " director" in history .Of course I do not mean to desecrate the honored name of Brady, of Civil War days!

My brave bucko of the flashpan and all-seeing power lense
was kneeling, egar with little beads of perspiration running from his
forehead into his eyes. He wore a red. turtle-neck sweater as if to
feel the pulse" of the spectical so close to us.

Came the 10th! Came drama Came the knockout! A cruel
wagon-tongue left to the belly did it t. Corbett; on the. canvas, his
face twisted Into a horrifying ! picture of agony, mouth wide open like that of an alligator which had been disembowled with a bowie knife . It happend all in three or four seconds . I wheeled and seeing the cameraman in the grips of hesitancy I bawled :

"THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT IN HEAVEN'S NAME MAN—TAKE ,TAKE, TAKE, TAKE, TAKE IT.'


My man was "frozen," petrified fascinated by the picture of the
once great Corbett seemingly dying before our eyes I tried To
snatch the camera from his hands He held it with a grip of cold
steel. "Buck Fever" in all Its glorlfication.


The picture never was never taken Corbett had been carried to
corner and was being slapped back to the land of the living
when my cameraman finally thawed out and drawled:

"That was the damndest picture I ever saw!"
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