Classic American West Coast Boxing

Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

Chuck1052 wrote:The Los Angeles Times article about minor league baseball venues in the Los Angeles area was of great interest. In regards to the industrial town of Vernon, it was a major boxing center in the Los Angeles area for close to twenty years until 1927. Fight cards were staged in Vernon by the Jeffries A.C. (1908-1909), Uncle Tom McCarey (1910-1914) and Jack Doyle (about 1914 to 1927).

There is film footage which shows a Vernon bout between Sam Langford and Fireman Jim Flynn and some pre-fight scenes, including shots of people arriving at the open-air arena to see the bout. At the time, Vernon was in the countryside and it appears that many fans rode in horse-driven wagons to get to the venue.

- Chuck Johnston
Chuck . . . Thanks for this.
Much appreciated.

-Rick Farris
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
At the 2007 WBHOF banquet, Dan Hanley and I had a chance to interview new inductee George Benton.
This photo is from that day.

-Rick Farris
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
"El Gato"
2007 WBHOF Interview.

-Rick Farris
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Mando Ramos


Image
World Boxing Hall of Fame 2007
. . . "Where Champions Live Forever"

-Rick Farris
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Jimmy Doyle
Randyman
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3705
Joined: 20 Jul 2008, 20:19

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Randyman »

. . . "Where Champions Live Forever"
That's bold statement and one that I know the World Boxing Hall of Fame, especially with Mando Muniz and Rick Farris at the helm, will do their best keep. Two guys with heart and a love of boxing and the knowledge and willingness to do what it takes to keep guys like George Benton, Rodolfo Gonzalez, Mando Ramos, Bobby Chacon, Danny and Ernie Lopez or any number of fighters that deserve to be remembered and honored, in the forefront.

When I think of a great fighter, in fact, when I think about any fighter that gave a good account of himself, it's always a fighter that fought for nothing but the love of boxing. Sure they wanted to get paid, and the wanted to get paid well, I'm sure of it. But with the truly great fighters the money was always secondary. I think about guys like Carmen Basilio, who's record reads like a who's who of another era. He fought the best and won some and lost some but always fought with everything he had. Some of the guys that he beat were technically better boxers but sometimes you just can't beat a big heart.

I don't want to forget about guys like that. The same with Bobby and Danny. Neither guy was perfect but both of them had heart to spare and then some. I think that most of us in some ways live vicariously through these great fighters. We won't let them be forgotten.

. . . "Where Champions Live Forever", Man I love that!

Randy :bow:
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

Randyman wrote:
. . . "Where Champions Live Forever"
That's bold statement and one that I know the World Boxing Hall of Fame, especially with Mando Muniz and Rick Farris at the helm, will do their best keep. Two guys with heart and a love of boxing and the knowledge and willingness to do what it takes to keep guys like George Benton, Rodolfo Gonzalez, Mando Ramos, Bobby Chacon, Danny and Ernie Lopez or any number of fighters that deserve to be remembered and honored, in the forefront.

When I think of a great fighter, in fact, when I think about any fighter that gave a good account of himself, it's always a fighter that fought for nothing but the love of boxing. Sure they wanted to get paid, and the wanted to get paid well, I'm sure of it. But with the truly great fighters the money was always secondary. I think about guys like Carmen Basilio, who's record reads like a who's who of another era. He fought the best and won some and lost some but always fought with everything he had. Some of the guys that he beat were technically better boxers but sometimes you just can't beat a big heart.

I don't want to forget about guys like that. The same with Bobby and Danny. Neither guy was perfect but both of them had heart to spare and then some. I think that most of us in some ways live vicariously through these great fighters. We won't let them be forgotten.

. . . "Where Champions Live Forever", Man I love that!

Randy :bow:

I love that too, Randy. All of us here do. That's why we are a great team, and are creating something special. What we are doing here will branch out and take a seperate life form of it's own. It will breathe life into boxing history. We all have something to offer.

-Rick Farris
Expug
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4446
Joined: 27 Dec 2005, 18:40

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Expug »

Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:
. . . "Where Champions Live Forever"
That's bold statement and one that I know the World Boxing Hall of Fame, especially with Mando Muniz and Rick Farris at the helm, will do their best keep. Two guys with heart and a love of boxing and the knowledge and willingness to do what it takes to keep guys like George Benton, Rodolfo Gonzalez, Mando Ramos, Bobby Chacon, Danny and Ernie Lopez or any number of fighters that deserve to be remembered and honored, in the forefront.

When I think of a great fighter, in fact, when I think about any fighter that gave a good account of himself, it's always a fighter that fought for nothing but the love of boxing. Sure they wanted to get paid, and the wanted to get paid well, I'm sure of it. But with the truly great fighters the money was always secondary. I think about guys like Carmen Basilio, who's record reads like a who's who of another era. He fought the best and won some and lost some but always fought with everything he had. Some of the guys that he beat were technically better boxers but sometimes you just can't beat a big heart.

I don't want to forget about guys like that. The same with Bobby and Danny. Neither guy was perfect but both of them had heart to spare and then some. I think that most of us in some ways live vicariously through these great fighters. We won't let them be forgotten.

. . . "Where Champions Live Forever", Man I love that!

Randy :bow:

I love that too, Randy. All of us here do. That's why we are a great team, and are creating something special. What we are doing here will branch out and take a seperate life form of it's own. It will breathe life into boxing history. We all have something to offer.

-Rick Farris

Randy and Rick.
You guys just eloquently summed up the whole thread.
When I think of the guys you just mentioned Randy, the thought occurs to me that those guys can hold their heads high forever.
They were warriors in every sense.They fought with honor every time out.
dagosd2000
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 8638
Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by dagosd2000 »

IT'S BETTER WITH THE SOUND OFF

We talk about the past. So were they better fighters back then? Up and down the line,pound for pound,I think so. Oh,maybe football and baseball, and certainly basketball has transcended into a better game.

Boxing seems to me a sport that hasn't regressed, because if it did,it would be better. The guys today don't have the skills or the staying power of pugilists of 40 years ago. PacMan is a good one. That little guy Finito Lopez had the goods. But you won't run out of breath naming off all the good fighters of today.

Boxing has given way to other sports. The chances of making a living breaking the law with a lot of our youth that's trying to work their way up appears more rewarding. Boxing is too demanding. So if the option is playing a game, there are other sports to turn to. You can make good money and not get hit in the head.

Tonight I went to a friend's house to have a few drinks and enjoy a cigar. My friend is a sports nut. We went out back to his patio. I had a bottle of Sauza Reposado near and lit up a nicely blended "puro". He has a nice set up in the back with a big screen TV that you can watch while indulging.

ESPN had a pro basketball game on. My friend likes the XM station on the radio that plays the Sinatra tunes and others of similar genre. I asked him to turn the sound off the TV and turn on the radio station.

It's amazing what these pro basketball players can do. The guys on the flying trapeez aren't as acrobatic. While watching the players leap like Nijinsky and float like butterflies,pass and dribble with the slight of hand, and find the bottom of the basket like they had lasers in their shots,the music that resounded from the sound system seemed apropos.

The stylist songs and smoothe arrangements. The classic voices were a fit with the game. Heavy metal and rap would have paled in comparision. I was almost drunk enough to ask my friend to tune in the classical station,but that would have been asking too much.

Sinatra was enough and friends like him. Watching the players today with all their skills are a compliment to those songs of yester year. Like Frank was singing,"You Go To My Head." Yeh,I guess those basketball players do if I'm watching the game with the sound off.
bennie
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 15244
Joined: 15 Nov 2002, 09:53

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by bennie »

Rick Farris wrote:
bennie wrote:
The Kid wrote:My son is growing up little by little. 2008 started out great with him winning the 2008 Naitonal Silver Gloves. Around this time last year he won the Junior Olympics for the third year in a row. Then the game of life began to deal us sad cards. My wife's grandma pasted away. Then my wife cousin crashes into the ocean (Oceanside) while flying one of those four man planes. My wife close friend goes. Then my dad gets cancer and we end up taking care of him all summer.
The whole summer Mo is sleeping with my dad in order to get him things during the night. We would train in Chula Vista in the afternoon and run at a local lake, in the College Grove area. I say all this to say that during all this drama and saddness, Mo was able to stay focused at the right time and still win the Ringside Boxing tournament in Kansas City for the third year in a row. He had already commited to box in Long Beach this past September and one week prior my dad pasted. Now he didnt look like the greatest but he sucked it up and won the bout. You can see this bout on YouTube. Just type in his name Mighty Mo Orozco.
His inter-strenght amazes me in that he almost puts himself in a semi trance when he performs or boxes. He is beginning his fourth year boxing and currently he is coming off a long neeed vacation of three months. He has had 66 bouts in that time and has won 60. He last fought in December in Mexicali and won. Of his six losses, he has defeated four of those guys in rematches, some 2 and 3 times. Those other two loses were to guy 24 months older and more mature. We will get them when they meet after 17 and the strenght in more on the same level. I have Mo going to a privite conditioning coach to work on his strenght. Medicine ball throwing, pushing ups, hopping, sprints, light weights, and the stuff I never did. LOL
He is in a pre-teen age but I keep a tight rope on him so he does not hang himself with bad decisions. He is set to box May 15th in Long Beach, if the California State Athletic Commission allows amatuer boxing to continue. If your not informed, the State forced all shows to cease due to some greedy people up north who used the kids to make a buck and now all hell as broke due to this. There you have the lastest on Mo. Below is a link to a documentary on him a little over a year ago.

The Kid




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJlArWxqBB4
Wow, this kid is dynamite!

Might Mo . . .

Bennie, the first time I saw Rudy's son, Mo, it was in the gym. Rudy had opened a fully equipped boxing gym on Pacific Coast Hwy. in Long Beach, and had an amateur stable. This was five years ago, I think Moses was seven.

I was in the area for a couple weeks and stopped by to workout and help Rudy with a couple of his boxers. When I walked into the gym one afternoon, Mo and a bigger 9-year-old, were in the ring, gloved up and wearing headguards. A warning buzzer sounds and Rudy slips a mouthpiece into Mo's mouth. He leans forward and gives the kid some instructions, pat's him on the butt, the bell rings and Mo and the bigger kid meet in ring center. They touch gloves, and a moment later are trading blows toe-to-toe in the center of the ring.

The bigger boy tries to force Mo back, but Mo steps to the side and fires lefts and rights into the big kid, who turned into Mo's punches coming from both sides, high and low. I forget how long the round was, but they punched every second. Mo wasn't going to let himself be dominated, and controlled the sparring session. I'm reminded of a family of kids like Mo, who were verterans long before they reached their teens. Some kids are professionals long before they are paid to box. That's Mighty Mo Orozco. :TU:


-Rick Farris
I have a feeling this kid is going to go a long, long way.
bennie
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 15244
Joined: 15 Nov 2002, 09:53

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by bennie »

kikibalt wrote:Image
Jimmy Doyle
Is this the guy who died against Robinson?
bennie
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 15244
Joined: 15 Nov 2002, 09:53

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by bennie »

Check out this clip causing a real stir over here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVNTdWbVBgc
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Jimmy Doyle
Is this the guy who died against Robinson?
Yes!
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Gwen Adair . . .
The only female in history to referee a World Championship boxing match.


-Rick Farris
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Mexican Favorite Octavio Lara Ends Boxing Career
BY KEVIN WALTERS

Michigan boxing fans will be surprised and saddened to learn that they have seen the last of Detroit favorite Octavio Lara inside the ring. The young man who was once called the “next Tommy Hearns” and who it was hoped would revive the sport of boxing in Detroit revealed exclusively to Sportssummary that he was through boxing professionally.

"I tried to come back and I didn’t see things working out.” - Octavio Lara
The 22-year old Lara assessed his career and made what had to be the toughest decision of his young life: To give up the sport he loves; the sport he worked so hard at for so many years.

Over a bottle of orange juice at a Tim Horton’s restaurant in Lincoln Park, the shy Light Welterweight opened up about his decision to leave the sport, his past difficulties and his plans for the future.

Image
Octavio Lara poses with his father, Javier.
Photo: sportssummary.com

Starting out more reserved, Lara opened up considerably after the arrival of his parents, Javier and Ana, his 12-year old brother Adrian and 5-year old niece, Jocelyn. Lara, not unlike most of us, is a man who feels more comfortable with people he trusts near him.

Born January 13, 1984 in Los Angeles, Lara moved with his family to the city of Detroit three years later.

Boxing and soccer are huge in Mexico, Lara says, and he gravitated toward the former largely because Julio Cesar Chavez, Sr. was – and still is – his idol. He watched every televised Chavez fight as a kid and it had quite an effect.

“I would get nervous,” Lara said. “My hands would sweat, everything, just watching him fight. I wanted to do that.”

“He kept me like a keychain. Wherever he would go, I was there.” - Octavio Lara
The young, now ex-fighter, smiles broadly when asked if he has met his idol. The answer is yes, several times. Chavez is one of many big names that Lara met through mentor, coach, trainer and friend Emanuel Steward.

It is here, talking about his relationship with Steward, especially in the early days, that Lara’s broad smile really shines. Remembering the times that Steward took him to meet Lennox Lewis, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Jr., and others.

“He kept me like a keychain,” Lara beamed. “Wherever he would go, I was there.”

So why did this 7-2-0 (5 knockouts) fighter, who won his last fight this past March, decide it was time to stop boxing?

“I didn’t think it was working out for me,” Lara said. “You know, sometimes you can tell when things aren’t working out.”

Lara went on to explain that he had planned, from an early age, to only fight for a certain number of years and then move on. Lara was not going to be climbing through the ropes in middle age.

“I decided for myself that I wanted to jump pro at like 18, 19 years old and do what I can and get out of the sport at twenty-five,” Lara said. “And, it didn’t seem to work out like that.”

Lara blames himself for the trouble he got into, in 2003, and the self-imposed 16-month break from boxing that followed, which interrupted the momentum of what by all accounts was a very promising career.

Talks between Steward and Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions were ongoing at that time and, Lara explained, a contract was dependent on his winning the November 22 fight with Rogelio Ramirez. Unfortunately, Lara saw his first professional defeat in the Los Angeles fight by unanimous decision after six rounds.

That fight came just days after his release from police custody following a drive-by shooting in which the 19-year old fighter was a passenger. Lara and several others were held at Detroit’s 4th precinct for four days but released without charges. The driver was charged and convicted – his formal arrest coming the day before Octavio’s L.A. fight – and is currently serving a life sentence in a Michigan prison.

Image
Photo: sportssummary.com

Lara admits he was not prepared “physically or mentally” for the Ramirez battle as a result of injuring his hand two weeks before the scheduled fight and breaking from his training routine as his involvement in Detroit’s gang scene increased.

Lara speaks of the events that led up to the fatal shooting not with machismo or bravado, but with regret both in his mannerism and his voice. He speaks quieter, is less animated, and looks down more frequently than when discussing other aspects of his life.

The L.A. loss was the first of two for Lara, the second coming in a controversial split decision last November to Leo Martinez at The Palace. Opinions, amongst those who saw the fight, as to why Lara lost differ. Some said he was not prepared to fight a Mexican-style fighter while others believe his Columbus, Ohio opponent fought dirty – excessive holding and at least one head butt. As for Lara, he is less blameful, repeating Sunday what he said minutes after that November 4 fight. “If the ref didn’t see it, it’s not illegal.” And the referee didn’t see it.

“I tried to come back,” Lara explained, “and I didn’t see things working out.”

“He is very special to me.”
Emanuel Steward said of Octavio Lara.

Asked what Steward’s reaction was when told of his decision to quit boxing, Lara said the legendary trainer was supportive and repeated an earlier offer of financial help for Lara to attend college.

In a telephone interview from Little Rock, Arkansas, where he was holding a press conference with Jermain Taylor, Steward repeated his offer of financial assistance for college.


“I will pay for your school,” Steward said he told Lara on Tuesday night.

Steward said that he did have one concern with Lara’s plans for college, however.

“It’s too long (waiting until next year),” Steward said. “He needs to go back sooner.”

“He really got me involved again with the younger kids,” Steward said, crediting Lara with helping revive the Kronk Gym’s amateur boxing program, which he said had been dead for four years before a chubby, 7-year old Mexican kid named Octavio started coming to the Detroit gym. “He is very special to me,” Steward said of Lara.

The Future

Lara currently works at a downtown Detroit car dealership.

As for the future, Lara has plans to go to college – either Wayne State in Detroit or Henry Ford Community College in Dearborn – to study, among other things, business. He hopes, also, to remain involved in the sport by helping to train young amateurs and also keep them from making the same mistakes out-of-the-ring that he did

But, college is a few months away.

For the immediate future, Lara has agreed to try his ungloved hands at sports reporting and will cover the upcoming October 20 fight night at The Palace for SportsSummary.
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Don Fraser and Frankie Baltazar
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

This article is the the story of my life

Testosterone replacement and prostate cancer: Is therapy safe?

For men with low testosterone, taking supplements can mean greater libido, energy and muscle. It also goes against decades of medical thinking.

Judy Foreman, Health Sense
March 30, 2009

Manny Hamelburg, 68, a retired businessman, had fought prostate cancer for years. First, he tried radiation, then a drug with side effects that nearly killed him, and finally Lupron, a drug that blocks production of testosterone, the hormone that can fuel prostate cancer.

The cancer disappeared. But life was miserable.

Without normal levels of testosterone, Hamelburg says, he had no energy, and "zero libido for seven years. I was like a eunuch. I was chemically castrated. Sex was just hugs."

So three years ago, with his cancer undetectable and his oncologist and urologist cautiously on board, the Holbrook, Mass., man made a decision that many doctors consider anathema: He took testosterone supplements.

"The cancer hasn't come back," Hamelburg says, "but my libido has, my sense of being alive. It's like a fog cleared. It's being aware of things, being more vibrant."

For decades, the idea of giving testosterone to a man who had had prostate cancer was forbidden -- "verboten" in the words of Hamelburg's urologist, Dr. Abraham Morgentaler of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. "It would have been considered heresy, or malpractice," Morgentaler says.

That thinking is changing, due in part to Morgentaler and his new book, "Testosterone for Life."

Morgentaler argues that although depriving tumors of testosterone does make them shrink, other evidence is beginning to suggest that it may be safe to give testosterone to men who have been successfully treated for prostate cancer and who appear to be cancer free.

One revolutionary aspect of Morgentaler's theory is the observation that prostate cancer is often found in men with low testosterone levels, not high ones, underscoring the idea that taking it may not be an added risk. It's not surprising that Morgentaler -- who has received honorariums and research funding from companies selling testosterone-related products -- has generated such controversy with his ideas.

"To say that testosterone replacement therapy is safe because we have no evidence it's harmful is making an assertion on faith, not facts," said Dr. Ian Thompson, chairman of the department of urology at the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio, echoing the view of other doctors who disagree with Morgentaler.

But amid often-confusing testosterone research results, there are hints that Morgentaler and like-minded physicians may be on to something. In the test tube, prostate cancer cells have been shown to grow faster when testosterone is added, but only up to a point. Then the growth plateaus, even if more testosterone is added.

In 2006, Morgentaler co-wrote a study on 345 men with low testosterone. The study -- published in the journal Urology and not industry funded -- showed prostate cancer risk was higher in men with the lowest testosterone, a finding supported by a handful of other small-scale studies using human subjects.

That was contrary to findings suggested by the Physicians' Health Study in 1996, a discrepancy doctors cannot fully explain. And in February, an analysis of data from 18 studies around the world involving nearly 4,000 men with prostate cancer, and more than 6,000 without, showed no correlation between high testosterone levels and cancer risk. The study was published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

Understanding the pros and cons of testosterone replacement is not easy.

An estimated 2 million to 6 million American men have low testosterone, and the benefits of replacement therapy can be huge: revival of sagging libido, better mood, more energy, more muscle, better bone density, more red blood cells.

But there are also risks, in large part because many seemingly healthy men have undetected prostate cancer, which could be stimulated by taking testosterone. Studies suggest that prostate cancer is lurking in as many as 25% or more of men 50 and older. Only when a man has a "clean" biopsy -- an invasive procedure in which snippets of the prostate are surgically removed and tested -- can a doctor confidently say the man doesn't have cancer.

As an extra measure of safety, Morgentaler says, he biopsies men older than 50 before he prescribes testosterone for them. But most doctors don't, says Dr. Marc Garnick, a cancer specialist at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and editor in chief of Harvard Medical School's publication "Perspectives on Prostate Disease."

Even with apparently healthy men, "Nobody has proven that it is completely safe" to give testosterone," says Dr. Philip Kantoff, head of the Prostate Cancer Program at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute.

So, what's a guy to do?

The traditional recommendations are to steer clear of testosterone supplementation if you have prostate or breast cancer; or if you meet one of several criteria: your physician can feel a nodule on the prostate during a digital rectal exam, your PSA (a marker of potential cancer) score is higher than 3 nanograms per deciliter, your hematocrit (the proportion of blood volume occupied by red blood cells) is greater than 50%, or you have untreated sleep apnea, severe urinary tract symptoms or heart failure. These standards are set by the Endocrine Society, a professional group of doctors who study and treat patients with hormones.

And if you have had prostate cancer that appears to be gone? Proceed with caution.

"Most physicians consider testosterone replacement therapy contraindicated for men with a history of prostate cancer," says Dr. Matthew Smith, director of genitourinary medical oncology at Massachusetts General Hospital Cancer Center.

But if you do wish to explore testosterone supplements, it's smart, given the controversy, to get a second opinion. Grill your doctors on how serious your prostate cancer was to start with -- that is, how high your PSA was, and how many gland segments contained cancer.

Also, keep being monitored for cancer recurrence.

Hamelburg is glad he eventually opted for testosterone. "My body was my enemy," he says. "Now, I just feel like a man again."

[email protected]
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Jesus Pimentel & Frank Baltazar
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Nino Valdes
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Boxing Legend, CARMEN BASILIO, gets in the Interview Ring with RSR.
By Dan Hernandez


“My last fight was this morning; I fought with my wife, and lost!"
Carmen Basilio

So began my interview with Carmen Basilio, former undisputed Welterweight and Middleweight Champion of the World. Carmen, with one of the most colorful nicknames in boxing, “The Upstate Onion Farmer”, having harvested onions and other vegetables as a farmer in his hometown of Canastota, New York. He was energetic, responsive, and deservedly pleased of his life’s achievements.

Carmen Basilio had a career record of 79 fights with 56 wins, 16 losses, and 7 draws. He also had 27 knockouts to his credit. This was at a time when an unbeaten record was nice but not required. The goal was to receive the training available from the school of hard knocks and always do the best that you possibly could. Carmen achieved his two titles with storied battles, defeating Tony DeMarco for the welterweight championship, and all-time, “pound for pound” greatest fighter, “Sugar” Ray Robinson, for his middleweight laurels.

In 1956, Basilio lost his welterweight championship in Chicago to Johnny Saxton by way of a 15 round decision. It has been inferred that Saxton got the decision because of his ties with the Chicago underworld. Paid off judges and other bad influences were blamed. This was never verified; however, Carmen regained his title with a ninth round knockout over Saxton in the re-match and a second round stoppage in in their third and final tiff.

On September 23, 1957, Basilio went up in weight to capture the middleweight title from Robinson. It was a close but decisive victory. To hold the middleweight belt Carmen was forced to relinquish his welterweight championship. Basilio won the Hickok Belt as top professional athlete of year for 1957. He was managed at that time by

Robinson and Basilio fought their rematch on March 25, 1958 with Robinson regaining his belt by a unanimous 15 round decision. The fans were clamoring for a third match that never materialized. Robinson requested too much money for a rubber match and it was speculated that the first two fights were so close that he wanted to avoid a third encounter. Carmen also fought and lost two tough fights to Gene Fullmer and once to Paul Pender in an attempt to wrestle the middleweight crown. The Pender contest was his last professional bout.

There was an HBO documentary on Sugar Ray Robinson, entitled “The Dark Side Of A Champion”, where Carmen was interviewed and he mentioned that he respected Robinson’s talents in the ring, but did not like him as a person. He called him a “Son of a bitch” and said he was the most arrogant, unpleasant person that you would ever want to meet. He confirms that sentiment in this interview. Our publisher, “Bad” Brad” Berkwitt, had the pleasure of meeting Basilio at a Charity for the Children of Washington, DC, in 2001. Carmen was 74 years of age at the time and Brad recalls that he was punched on the arm by ‘the onion farmer” in a playful manner and it” hurt like hell.” Being the man that he is, Brad shook it off as if it was nothing. However, I can’t help but wonder if Brad blamed the tears in his eyes on the onions.

At 81, Basilio reflects on his successful 59 year marriage, championships, teaching for 25 years, training his nephew to a world title, and boxing today.


DH: Mr. Basilio, Carmen, How are you doing?

That’s me Carmen. I’m doing fine.

DH: How long has it been since you last fought?

My last fight was with my wife this morning, and I lost! Again. That’s one you can’t win.

DH: Are you still involved with the fight game at all?

Well I watch it. ` I pay attention to it. It was a big part of my life. Naturally, I pay attention to it.

DH: You had many tremendous fights. What is your favorite fight memory?

Winning! Winning championships.

DH: How does it feel to be a champion?

It feels great. It’s a target that you’re aiming for and when you win, it’s great. And you make a lot of friends with it. It made your friends happy.

DH: Did you keep those friends over the years?

Oh yeah, I see them all the time.

DH: Like whom do you see?

Oh all around my home town of Syracuse, throughout New York State. And areas I have lived in. See I was a phys ed teacher at LeMoyne College for 25 years. After I quit fighting I was a phys ed teacher at LeMoyne College in Syracuse and I see a lot of my former students all the time, and they are all doctors and lawyers and all that stuff.


DH: You helped them get there. How do you feel about that?

It feels good, it does. I got along good with the kids.

DH: Do you keep in contact with any of the old fighters?

I see them occasionally; I go to a fight now and then.

DH: I spoke with Gene Fullmer awhile back. Do you remember him?

Yeah, he was a tough one. They didn’t come any tougher than him.

DH: Gene said he felt the same about you.

Yeah, I hit him a few shots and he hit me a few shots. We kicked the shit out of each other.

DH: He had a great deal of respect for you.

I hope so; there couldn’t be ant tougher than him.

DH: How did you feel about Ray Robinson?

Robinson? He was not a nice guy.

DH: What did he do that wasn’t nice?

I don’t know, he had a arrogance about him. It would really turn you off. He was not a friendly guy. He was a great fighter and you can’t take that away from him, but he was not a great person.

DH: Robinson had a sad ending.

Yeah, not a nice guy at all.

DH: How is your nephew, Billy Backus, doing?

He’s doing fine. He’s got a good job and he’s with his wife and kids everyday.
He lives in North Carolina now.

DH: That’s a little away from you.

It’s down south.

DH: Were you a farmer?

I was a farmer. I was born on a farm I was brought up on a farm.

DH: What did you farm?

Onions, lettuce, potatoes, carrots, anything that you can eat, we grew.

DH: Do you miss farming?

No, I don’t miss it. It was a lot of hard work. We lived good but it was slave labor. We never had money.

DH: What do you think about the money available in boxing today?

I hope they can keep it. God bless them, more power to them.

DH: How do you feel about today’s fighters?

They’re ok for today, but if most of them were around in our day, they would be in trouble. They don’t have the experience, they are moved too fast. Today they want to get to the top fast but sometimes that’s not so good because they don’t really get the experience they need. They need to be good finished fighters.

DH: What is your feeling about unbeaten records?

They can stick them up their ass, if they can’t beat anybody.
,
DH: Who was your manager when you fought?

I didn’t get along with my first manager I had when I started fighting so we broke off. My managers during my championship years were Johnny De John and Joe Netro. My trainers were Al Silvani and Angelo Dundee.

DH: Were they good managers?

They were all right. They took care of me and I took care of them. I made them look pretty good.

DH: Did you ever become a manager or trainer yourself?

I trained my nephew, Billy Backus, as a fighter. He became welterweight world champion. I used to spar with him and everything, he couldn’t hit me in the ass with a broom. I had too much experience for him and I knew all the dirty tricks.

DH: What are some of the dirty tricks?

Not really dirty, I was making moves at him and making him miss a lot. Then I would counter punch him, outsmarted him. I was teaching him how to do it.


DH: Did he learn?

He learned a lot, yeah. One difference though is that he’s a southpaw and I was right-handed.

DH: Who are your favorite fighters today Carmen?

To tell you the truth, I don’t follow them much right now. But if you mention some names there might be a few fighters that I can remember.

DH: Are you with familiar with Mayweather or De La Hoya?

Do you believe that I’ve never seen Mayweather fight. I have seen De La Hoya fight and he’s all right, he’s a good fighter, but if he was around in our day, he would be in trouble. Mosley is a good fighter. Different times, different age, and experience. They just don’t train and prepare like we used to.

DH: When was your last fight?

With my wife, I lost.

DH: Beside your wife, when was your last professional fight?

That was a 15 round championship fight with Paul Pender in 1961. I was 32 or 33 at the time.

DH: What do you think of 12 round title fights?

They are good fights if the fighter is a good fighter. It’s a safety rule that’s all. It’s to prevent serious injuries. When you get into the later rounds, 12 and up, the less experienced guys get tired and get beat bad. You could get some serious injuries, so it’s good the way it is.

DH: Would you do anything different with your career?

No, I did what I wanted to do. I became champion in two divisions, welterweight and middleweight. I had to struggle awhile to make it and wound up with mononucleosis that held me back a bit, but then I made a comeback. I got over that and got my strength back again. I got stronger and I had no problem.

DH: Did you fight everyone that you wanted to?

I fought everybody that I thought made sense for us all to fight. The fights that the public wanted to see.

DH: Former Light-heavyweight champ, Archie Moore said Charley Burley was one of the best fighters he ever knew. Did you see Burley fight?

No, I never did, but if Moore said it, it must have been so. I knew Archie very well and he was a great fighter and a good guy too.

DH: Did you see Moore’ first fight with Yvonne Durelle?

I did. Archie was around a long time when he fought Durelle, he was already part of the over-the-hill group.

DH: Who was your favorite fighter over the years?

Willie Pep, the featherweight champion of the world. I got to know him and he was a great fighter.

DH: He fought too long didn’t he?

I don’t know that, he was good enough that he got away with it. He never got hurt and did very well.

DH: Have you been married a long time Carmen?

Josie and I were married in 1950.

DH: I’m catching up, I’ve got 43 years married.

You’ve got a long way to go. You gotta pay your penance. You had better.

DH: I have really enjoyed you taking the time to talk to me. Is there anything you’d like to say to the fans?

Keep your hands up high, your ass off the floor, and keep moving.
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

kikibalt wrote:Image
Jesus Pimentel & Frank Baltazar
"Little Poison" . . .

Two of my all-time favorite West Coast Hall of Famer's, Frank & Jesus Pimentel.

Jesus Pimentel was an early favorite of mine, one of the grestest punchers ever at 118 pounds. I always thought he should have been a world champ, yet due to his management, he didn't actually step into the ring to fight for a title until his last pro fight. He was way past prime when he challenged one of the greatest champs ever in Ruben Olivares, in December 1971.

A few years earlier, the title was there for him to take in a 1968 title fight against a weak Fighting Harada. The Japanese world bantam champ was having difficulty making weight for the scheduled defense against Pimentel in Tokyo. His wise manager Harry Kabakoff tries pulling a fast one on the Japanses promoter and says they will not fight unless Pimentel gets a greater percentage. Three days before the fight he pulls Jesus out of the fight, just as they did a few years earlier when Pimentel was scheduled to fight Eder Jofre. The promoter refused to bend to Harry's demands and found Lionel Rose to fill in. The light hitting Rose floored Harada and took the title, just as Pimentel likely would have.

Regardless, over the years I loved watching Little Poison in action. The first time I saw him fight live was in 1966, at the Olympic, when he flattened Canadian champ Jackie Burke in four rounds. A few years later we'd box together in the gym. When he and Olivares tangled, I knew that Jesus would have little chance of winning, but I knew there was a great chance for a KO (Just looking at the more than 120 KO's between the two men). Sure enough, Olivares stopped Jessie, and Pimentel wisely called it a career.

Here's how George Parnassus handled Harry Kabakoff prior to the Olivares-Pimentel title bout. Knowing the Harry might try to renegotiate, George brought in another challeneger, Rafael Herrera, as a stnd-by opponent for Olivares should Pimentel pull out. Harry stayed quiet and Herrera would fight Olivares later, taking the title from "Rock-a-bye Ruben".


-Rick Farris
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Image
Mando Ramos last interview on camera. October 2007.

-Rick Farris
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Jimmy Doyle
Is this the guy who died against Robinson?
Yes!
A friend of mine, who was close with light-heavy Fitzie Fitzpatrick, said he saw Jimmy Doyle at the Main Street Gym not long before he fought Robinson, and died. My friend said that Doyle's color was not good and that he looked "sickly". Perhaps he had not recovered from a previous beating, like Benny Paret had taken from Gene Fullmer, before his losing his life in the bout with Griffith?

-Rick Farris
BoxBuzz
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 29847
Joined: 07 Jun 2005, 16:37

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by BoxBuzz »

FYI....I know folks in AZ, NM and NV and CO who are dropping in and reading this thread on a regular basis. Most are to shy to chime in, and here mostly for the history lessons.

So I figured I'd just drop a dime on them.

Just a pack of old friends and associates who used to park their butts in seats in a lot of the out west boxing venues. I get the same feedback from them that this is appreciated as a great time capsule of info.
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Tecate to Sponsor Manny Pacquiao Ricky Hatton Boxing Event
WHITE PLAINS, N.Y.

Tecate, cerveza con carácter, announces its sponsorship of one of the most anticipated boxing events of the year. Facing Ring magazine’s No. 1 ranked pound-for-pound champion Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao (48-3-2, 36 KOs) will be IBO World Junior Welterweight champion Ricky “The Hitman” Hatton (45-1, 32 KOs). They will fight for the World Junior Welterweight Championship on Saturday, May 2 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, in a match that will be televised via HBO Pay-Per-View..

“Cinco de Mayo, one of the most celebrated Mexican holidays in the U.S., has been witness to some of the best boxing matches in recent years. We’re excited to celebrate the day with adult Hispanic fans in Las Vegas, and to make the HBO Pay-Per-View telecast accessible to those unable to join us in person through our popular mail-in rebate offer,” said Carlos Boughton, brand director for Tecate. “As an authentic Mexican brand, Tecate is a relevant part of the role that boxing plays in the lives of our consumers who enjoy watching the sport so consequently we strive to give them the opportunity to experience the passion of the sport. This Cinco de Mayo, Tecate will be wherever our consumers are.”

Tecate will launch an extensive integrated program that will include various elements, such as a commemorative 24-oz can featuring the image of both fighters and a $20 mail-in rebate discount for the HBO Pay-Per-View event with the purchase of an 12-pack or larger of Tecate.

Tecate also will develop thousands of thematic POS elements and posters with fight details that will be distributed nationally to grocery, convenience and liquor stores. Furthermore, Tecate will tailor its out-of-home, TV and radio spots to include information about the event. These will be launched four weeks prior to the bout in key markets such as Ariz., Calif., Colo., Idaho, Nev., N.M., Ore., Utah and Wash.

To increase excitement in the days leading up to May 2, Tecate will offer boxing fans the opportunity to meet their favorite athletes through exclusive autograph and photo sessions with Golden Boy Promotions fighters and the attractive Chicas Tecate. These events will take place in markets such as Las Vegas, Los Angeles and San Diego.
Post Reply