Padded records

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 08 Jul 2004, 17:45

Don't know if Jack Casey is the biggest offender but only 15 of his 224 opponents had more than 10 victories at the time the fights took place.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=017905

Anyone know a more padded record?

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 08 Jul 2004, 18:00

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009314

kevin · Post by **kevin** » 08 Jul 2004, 18:01

Are his opponents records complete?. I doubt it very much!

Kev

TheRiverCityHippy · Post by **TheRiverCityHippy** » 08 Jul 2004, 18:06

Southpaw Stylist wrote:http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009314

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 08 Jul 2004, 18:08

This guy takes some beating. He even stopped his own brother.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=007022

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 08 Jul 2004, 21:54

headhunter wrote:
Southpaw Stylist wrote:http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009314

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 09 Jul 2004, 04:22

Oscar Hall, who was in against Witter earlier this year, has a fairly average strong of competitors for a 25-3 record

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009144

However, the total records of the guys he's beaten is 171-592-55, that's an average record of 7-23-2

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 09 Jul 2004, 05:31

He did fight Len Harvey (98-8-7) and Jack McAvoy (71-5-1). Grrrr.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 09 Jul 2004, 09:59

Before Yori Boy Campas stepped up to fight Tito...he was 56-0 against bums.

A lot of Danes have padded records as well. Brian Nielson was 62-1 before he fought Mike Tyson.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 10 Jul 2004, 12:09

Butterbean's fought a few bums in his time.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 10 Jul 2004, 18:02

Thats a good point about the danes, Thomas Damnguard ranking I consider lofty - although, I do think he's a very good fight.

However, for me the guy with the most padded record is Herbie Hide - A British champion and officially a two time world champion. However, struggle to see a world class fighter (Tony Tucker was shot) anyway near his record with a W next to Hide.

The man earned a British title through beating Michael Murray (a self titled journeyman) and WBO world titles through beating Bent and an ancient Tucker - nice work if you can get it.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 10 Jul 2004, 18:20

Buck Smith (USA_cruiser)has an interesting record.

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 10 Jul 2004, 18:30

stujones wrote:Thats a good point about the danes, Thomas Damnguard ranking I consider lofty - although, I do think he's a very good fight.

However, for me the guy with the most padded record is Herbie Hide - A British champion and officially a two time world champion. However, struggle to see a world class fighter (Tony Tucker was shot) anyway near his record with a W next to Hide.

The man earned a British title through beating Michael Murray (a self titled journeyman) and WBO world titles through beating Bent and an ancient Tucker - nice work if you can get it.

Fraudley is getting there too in my opinion. Four years into a pro career 17-0, won a version of a 'world' title (he bills it as world championship boxing after all) against Richard Hersisia, a dutch journeyman and still has fought no-one but smaller guys, bouncers and ex basketball players. compare his developement with fellow olympic gold medalist Brahim Asloum and youll see what i mean

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=031224

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Jul 2004, 10:02

neil r wrote:
stujones wrote:Thats a good point about the danes, Thomas Damnguard ranking I consider lofty - although, I do think he's a very good fight.

However, for me the guy with the most padded record is Herbie Hide - A British champion and officially a two time world champion. However, struggle to see a world class fighter (Tony Tucker was shot) anyway near his record with a W next to Hide.

The man earned a British title through beating Michael Murray (a self titled journeyman) and WBO world titles through beating Bent and an ancient Tucker - nice work if you can get it.
Fraudley is getting there too in my opinion. Four years into a pro career 17-0, won a version of a 'world' title (he bills it as world championship boxing after all) against Richard Hersisia, a dutch journeyman and still has fought no-one but smaller guys, bouncers and ex basketball players. compare his developement with fellow olympic gold medalist Brahim Asloum and youll see what i mean

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=031224

Agree, as I have always stated down the years if an Olympian is not pushing a world title shot by the time of the next Olympics he has either been found out, or his development is poor.

Check out the record of the vast majority of Olympians, within 4 years they are either found out (like Clay-Bey 1996 Olympian, lost to Etteine in 1999) or champions / geniune contendors. Harrison hasn't done anything.

However, whilst I have been dissapointed in Harrison, Herbie Hide can geniunally call himself a former British champ and a more legitimate two time world champ, yet I don't think he has a victory over anyone near the top ten in the world. His early career was handled brilliant he fought poor fighters for decent belts.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 12 Jul 2004, 09:54

Not a British fighter, so technically this post doesn't belong on the British board, but Julius Long has a wonderfully padded record. There's one guy on there who is 0-3 and all three losses came against Julius Long.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 12 Jul 2004, 17:44

What about George Collins? He turned over very young but was matched very carefully in an unfulfilling career.

I think Wally Swift Jnr put him in his place for the British crown...or is that Tony Collins that I am thinking of (his brother)?

Dynamite Dean Phillips · Post by **Dynamite Dean Phillips** » 12 Jul 2004, 19:20

Some of the mexican fighters in the early days of their careers were fed some real easy ones. For example, Roberto Duran fought a complete 0-0 novice in his immediate fight after his first defence of the WBA Lightweight title, and fought no less than 11 complete novices in his previous outings before this. Needless to say, he stopped all of these guys early, but the public don't look at the fact that these opponents were complete novices. They just see him knocking the poor guys out and looking good doing it.

There are countless other famous boxers who have had the same treatment.

It's interesting when comparing different countries and the sport's prospects in each country. It's easy to complain when a mismatch is made in this country, but when compared to the sort of mismatch I have highlighted from other countries, this country doesn't seem half as bad.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 12 Jul 2004, 19:23

Dynamite Dean Phillips wrote:Some of the mexican fighters in the early days of their careers were fed some real easy ones. For example, Roberto Duran fought a complete 0-0 novice in his immediate fight after his first defence of the WBA Lightweight title, and fought no less than 11 complete novices in his previous outings before this. Needless to say, he stopped all of these guys early, but the public don't look at the fact that these opponents were complete novices. They just see him knocking the poor guys out and looking good doing it.

There are countless other famous boxers who have had the same treatment.

It's interesting when comparing different countries and the sport's prospects in each country. It's easy to complain when a mismatch is made in this country, but when compared to the sort of mismatch I have highlighted from other countries, this country doesn't seem half as bad.

0-0 just means boxrec don't know the fighter's record, Dean.

Dynamite Dean Phillips · Post by **Dynamite Dean Phillips** » 12 Jul 2004, 19:26

bennie wrote:
Dynamite Dean Phillips wrote:Some of the mexican fighters in the early days of their careers were fed some real easy ones. For example, Roberto Duran fought a complete 0-0 novice in his immediate fight after his first defence of the WBA Lightweight title, and fought no less than 11 complete novices in his previous outings before this. Needless to say, he stopped all of these guys early, but the public don't look at the fact that these opponents were complete novices. They just see him knocking the poor guys out and looking good doing it.

There are countless other famous boxers who have had the same treatment.

It's interesting when comparing different countries and the sport's prospects in each country. It's easy to complain when a mismatch is made in this country, but when compared to the sort of mismatch I have highlighted from other countries, this country doesn't seem half as bad.
0-0 just means boxrec don't know the fighter's record, Dean.

You maybe right, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of these 0-0s were genuine.

Thanks for pointing that out though

flyweight · Post by **flyweight** » 18 Jul 2004, 19:50

Even if they were geniuine you got to give Roberto a break. He fought some of the very best boxers around and ducked nobody. Plus early in his career he was very young and only had about 15 fights as an amateur I believe. However he did beat all ths guys easily even if they where genuine debuts.

Dynamite Dean Phillips · Post by **Dynamite Dean Phillips** » 18 Jul 2004, 19:58

Of course I am not belittling Roberto Duran, he stands as one of, if not the, finest Lightweights ever.

I am just pointing out that maybe the mismatches made by promoters here in the UK are nowhere near as significant as those made in other countries. Of course, this could be argued, but it's just my observation and my opinion.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » 18 Jul 2004, 21:12

Leo Nolan, 22-0 but look who he's fought (not counting an over-the-hill Savarese):

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=026917

And only 8 wins are KO's.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 19 Jul 2004, 11:29

Michel Trabant got to 38-0 with a very padded record but has since lost 2 of his last 3 and stands now at 39-2. Paul Spadafora for me also has a padded record, he is a "serious contender" according to some sources but has never really excelled at any weight IMO and doesn't deserve such a high ranking. He is a hometown fighter a bit like Hatton but has arguably fought slightly worse opposition.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 19 Jul 2004, 11:44

Is there any of you that know why Michel http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=006238 and his brother Stephan http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=014568 turned pro so young?

sboxingbuddy · Post by **sboxingbuddy** » 19 Jul 2004, 15:49

Matchfixer wrote:Don't know if Jack Casey is the biggest offender but only 15 of his 224 opponents had more than 10 victories at the time the fights took place.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=017905

Anyone know a more padded record?

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