http://www.world-track.org/News/newswir ... sitive.htmadamiw wrote:damn, didn't know about the Russian. There's so much going on it just takes the excitement away from athletics.knockout wrote:all three medallists from that 200m final
White Kelli USA
Kapachinskaya Anastasiya RUS
Edwards Torri USA
have since failed drugs tests.....absolutely SHOCKING!!!!
Johnny Nelson interview
thanks, but i dont want to read it. It will just make me more pissed off with a sport i used to like a lot!knockout wrote:http://www.world-track.org/News/newswir ... sitive.htmadamiw wrote:damn, didn't know about the Russian. There's so much going on it just takes the excitement away from athletics.knockout wrote:all three medallists from that 200m final
White Kelli USA
Kapachinskaya Anastasiya RUS
Edwards Torri USA
have since failed drugs tests.....absolutely SHOCKING!!!!
Must be heartbreaking when you are clean and you KNOW someone is on drugs and they beat you.
I understand someone on here said that Carl Lewis had failed a drugs test. If so, this is news to me. I remember his interview immediately after Ben Johnson ran 9.79 after looking like a bag of shit the day before. You could tell he was dying to say that Johnson was full of 'stan'.
Yes, Lasse Viren was at the forefront of drug abuse. Drove Brendan Foster fornicating mental for years.
It's a damn shame the way things have gone but, as Lugh says, maybe twas ever thus?
Whoever the coach was who dropped Balco in it is a hero in my book, grass or not.
The most roided up athlete ever who never got nailed? Undoubtedly Florence Griffith-Joyner.
I understand someone on here said that Carl Lewis had failed a drugs test. If so, this is news to me. I remember his interview immediately after Ben Johnson ran 9.79 after looking like a bag of shit the day before. You could tell he was dying to say that Johnson was full of 'stan'.
Yes, Lasse Viren was at the forefront of drug abuse. Drove Brendan Foster fornicating mental for years.
It's a damn shame the way things have gone but, as Lugh says, maybe twas ever thus?
Whoever the coach was who dropped Balco in it is a hero in my book, grass or not.
The most roided up athlete ever who never got nailed? Undoubtedly Florence Griffith-Joyner.
yep!!!!! didnt she improve 2/10th of a second in one year.....Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
The most roided up athlete ever who never got nailed? Undoubtedly Florence Griffith-Joyner.
her siser in law jackie Joyner was also just too damn good to be true...
Marita Koch and jarmila Kratochvilova 400m and 800m world records are stunning..... so much better than anyone can run these days... the old iron curtain turned doping into a real science.
check out Yordanka Donkova, the 100m hurdles record holder too.... she is a scary mutha
Flo Jo was blatantly on it. Just look at the records she sey, they are insane. They wont be broken for another 20 years at least. Then she retires right after the games. Couldn't be anymore obvious.
There were a bunch of female chinese athletes on EPO (increases oxygen levels in the blood) who broke some long distance records, then their form just completely dissapeared.
There were a bunch of female chinese athletes on EPO (increases oxygen levels in the blood) who broke some long distance records, then their form just completely dissapeared.
To look at Flo-Jo she could just as easily have competed with the men! All she was missing were the dangly bits!adamiw wrote:Flo Jo was blatantly on it. Just look at the records she sey, they are insane. They wont be broken for another 20 years at least. Then she retires right after the games. Couldn't be anymore obvious.
There were a bunch of female chinese athletes on EPO (increases oxygen levels in the blood) who broke some long distance records, then their form just completely dissapeared.
If I remember rightly when the Chinese started breaking records left right and centre they put it down to eating some kind of caterpillar or worm - some kind of critter anyway.
One that was stuffed with EPO it would seem!
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getting back to the interview..... Warren's response
http://www.allegedly.tv/fw4/viewArtic ... ticle=1303
http://www.allegedly.tv/fw4/viewArtic ... ticle=1303
atheletics
And thats why you have to respect Michael Johnson all the more. The man was an amazing athelete, and no doubt his records will stand the test of time. All of that and never failed a drugs test. I believe hes totally clean.
My point? Sometimes there are people who are so naturally gifted and harness their talents that they dont need to cheat. Which essentially what steroid abuse is all about.
My point? Sometimes there are people who are so naturally gifted and harness their talents that they dont need to cheat. Which essentially what steroid abuse is all about.
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Well put and this is what keeps me going. I remember Ben Johnson's team-mate Angela Issajenko saying "What did he really do that was so wrong? Did he molest a child? No, all he did was take a few mills of liquid a day."dbf wrote:And thats why you have to respect Michael Johnson all the more. The man was an amazing athelete, and no doubt his records will stand the test of time. All of that and never failed a drugs test. I believe hes totally clean.
My point? Sometimes there are people who are so naturally gifted and harness their talents that they dont need to cheat. Which essentially what steroid abuse is all about.
fornicating hell. What he did was con the world and sully the purity of what is supposed to be a showcase for the best humans have to offer.
Michael Johnson is a total fornicating ledge and I loved it when he criticised Dwain Chambers (before his positive test) when he got run down by the Yank in the World relay final after having something like a 5 yard start. "Look at him, he's far too big. He's bulked up far too much."
I know I'm going to sound sentimental but a little bit of my faith in humanity would die if I found out Lance Armstrong was a druggie.
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I agree. Any clean sportsman/woman is better than any successful doper whatever the record books show.
In the end, sports come down to one thing. Man's ability to compete against man on an EQUAL footing to see who is best
By taking drugs, the performer is saying " I have neither the talent, nor the confidence to compete with X"
on an individual level, supplementing your performance is fine. I take vitamins and sports supplements, but am only competing against myself and the clock. For those running for glory and, let's face it, stacks of cash either piss clean or get off the pot O gold
In the end, sports come down to one thing. Man's ability to compete against man on an EQUAL footing to see who is best
By taking drugs, the performer is saying " I have neither the talent, nor the confidence to compete with X"
on an individual level, supplementing your performance is fine. I take vitamins and sports supplements, but am only competing against myself and the clock. For those running for glory and, let's face it, stacks of cash either piss clean or get off the pot O gold
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Ed Moses record finally got broken by Kim young.
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=54050
Ed Moses was my favourite athelete of that period, he was just so damned cool in addition to being so good. He wore those glasses and that headband, and I liked the fact that he was the only one in the field who could run 13 strides between every set of hurdles (everyone else had to do 14), the man was a legend.
Coe was a hero of mine, but I cooled on him as I got older, when I realised what a posh tory pudendum he was.
Thinking about it, Athletics was probably the first sport I was bang into. I got into boxing young, but didn't get REALLY into it until Tyson came along, then wavered for a few years and got right back again in the last 4 years.
Good article on Moses.
Edwin Moses, the most ruthless athlete in history, was once asked how he wanted to be remembered. 'Hopefully, as the guy nobody could beat,' he answered. Given that he was undefeated for nine years, nine months and nine days, for 122 consecutive races, it could be said that Moses got his wish.
Neither the American's rivals - if you could stretch to calling them that - nor his dreams, could keep up with Moses. Bounding prodigiously over the 10 three-foot hurdles, taking an unprecedented 13 steps between hurdles instead of the usual 14, he was a formidable assembly of speed, technique, grace and stamina; Moses consistently made the most demanding of events seem almost ridiculously simple. 'My slow is faster than most athletes' fast,' he said. 'People either think that I'm a freak or that the other guys aren't any good.'
From 1976 to 1989 Moses competed in 156 400-metre hurdle races. Out of those 156 races, he was beaten just six times, a heroic feat which may never be equalled in athletics. Between August 1977, when he lost to West Germany's Harald Schmid, and June 1987, when compatriot Danny Harris got the better of him, Moses won 122 races in a row.
Moses's dominance is more remarkable when you consider that in school he had been an academic, rather than an athlete. 'I had no ambitions to be an Olympic track star or any kind of athlete,' he once said.
Edwin Corley Moses was born on 31 August 1955 in Dayton, Ohio. With both his parents working in education, Moses took school more seriously than most kids, although he also competed in sports. When his high school basketball coach cut him from the team and the football coach kicked him out for fighting, Moses turned to athletics, and also gymnastics. 'I found that I enjoyed individual sports much more,' he said. 'Everything is cut and dry; nothing is arbitrary. It's just a matter of getting to the finish line first.'
After high school, rather than seeking an athletic scholarship, Moses accepted an academic scholarship to Morehouse College in Atlanta, majoring in physics and engineering. The school had an athletics team - it didn't have a track, though.
At Morehouse, Moses was known by fellow students as the 'Bionic Man' due to his masochistic workouts and scientific approach to his sport. He competed almost exclusively in the 110-metre hurdles and 400 metres, competing in a 400m hurdles just once before March 1976. But once he started with the event, he made freakishly fast progress - with his track-eating, 9ft 9in stride he proved a natural at the event.
When he was a 20-year-old, unknown scholar-athlete from a renowned black college, Montreal made Moses. Not only did he win the Olympic gold medal - in his first international meet, and just four months after running his first 400m hurdles - he set a world record of 47.64 seconds, lowering John Akii-Bua's mark of 47.82. His eight-metre victory over Mike Shine was the largest winning margin in the event in Olympic history.
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Leroy Walker, the US Olympic track and field coach in 1976, was impressed: 'Extraordinary talent is obvious. We're in the rarefied presence of an immortal here. Edwin's a crowd unto himself.'
Despite being the only American male track athlete to win an individual gold in Montreal, Moses was not warmly received back home. But then his perpetual straight face and dark glasses lent him an impersonal air. For much of his career, Moses was not fully appreciated by sports fans, who viewed him as aloof and arrogant, a hurdling automaton. 'I have the killer instinct,' Moses said. 'It's ego. When I'm on the track, I want to beat everyone.' Not until years later would he earn the respect his achievements merited.
Moses never got the chance to defend his Olympic title. Jimmy Carter ordered the American team to boycott the Moscow Games in 1980 and Moses had to settle for breaking his own world record again, running 47.13 on 13 July in Milan. He would have almost certainly won in Moscow, something which rankled: 'I can remember feeling irritated listening to people being introduced as Olympic champions from Moscow.'
Away from the track, Moses actively fought for athletes' rights. In 1980 he challenged the rules that prevented amateurs from accepting money for competing and making endorsements. Moses's peers backed his stand on that issue (he became the sport's first million-dollar athlete) but he failed to win the same support when he spoke out against drug use a few years later. 'Somebody had to say something,' he said. 'What are these people doing to their bodies? Is winning worth that price?'
Moses went on to win gold - naturally - at the 1983 World Championships (he won despite one of his shoelaces coming undone on the back straight) and the 1984 LA Olympics. By the time he won gold at the 1987 World Championships, avenging the defeat inflicted by Danny Harris earlier that year - 'I wasn't feeling good that day, I probably shouldn't have run' Moses said - his glorious hurdling career was all but over. He was still good enough to win a bronze at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul, aged 33 (ironically, he ran his fastest ever time for an Olympic final), but it turned out to be his swansong.
After retiring from athletics, Moses flirted, incongruously, with bobsledding. He won bronze at a World Cup event in 1990 and finished seventh at the 1991 World Championships.
His image was briefly tarnished in 1985 when he was accused - and acquitted - of soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute, but it didn't do lasting damage to his reputation.
Even now you get the feeling that Moses, who is currently chairman of the Laureus World Sports Academy, feels undervalued, although as time goes by his career looks greater and greater: 'Maybe in the years to come, people will understand the things I have accomplished and realise, "Wow, this guy was really something. Nobody's ever going to do that again."'
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=54050
Ed Moses was my favourite athelete of that period, he was just so damned cool in addition to being so good. He wore those glasses and that headband, and I liked the fact that he was the only one in the field who could run 13 strides between every set of hurdles (everyone else had to do 14), the man was a legend.
Coe was a hero of mine, but I cooled on him as I got older, when I realised what a posh tory pudendum he was.
Thinking about it, Athletics was probably the first sport I was bang into. I got into boxing young, but didn't get REALLY into it until Tyson came along, then wavered for a few years and got right back again in the last 4 years.
Good article on Moses.
Edwin Moses, the most ruthless athlete in history, was once asked how he wanted to be remembered. 'Hopefully, as the guy nobody could beat,' he answered. Given that he was undefeated for nine years, nine months and nine days, for 122 consecutive races, it could be said that Moses got his wish.
Neither the American's rivals - if you could stretch to calling them that - nor his dreams, could keep up with Moses. Bounding prodigiously over the 10 three-foot hurdles, taking an unprecedented 13 steps between hurdles instead of the usual 14, he was a formidable assembly of speed, technique, grace and stamina; Moses consistently made the most demanding of events seem almost ridiculously simple. 'My slow is faster than most athletes' fast,' he said. 'People either think that I'm a freak or that the other guys aren't any good.'
From 1976 to 1989 Moses competed in 156 400-metre hurdle races. Out of those 156 races, he was beaten just six times, a heroic feat which may never be equalled in athletics. Between August 1977, when he lost to West Germany's Harald Schmid, and June 1987, when compatriot Danny Harris got the better of him, Moses won 122 races in a row.
Moses's dominance is more remarkable when you consider that in school he had been an academic, rather than an athlete. 'I had no ambitions to be an Olympic track star or any kind of athlete,' he once said.
Edwin Corley Moses was born on 31 August 1955 in Dayton, Ohio. With both his parents working in education, Moses took school more seriously than most kids, although he also competed in sports. When his high school basketball coach cut him from the team and the football coach kicked him out for fighting, Moses turned to athletics, and also gymnastics. 'I found that I enjoyed individual sports much more,' he said. 'Everything is cut and dry; nothing is arbitrary. It's just a matter of getting to the finish line first.'
After high school, rather than seeking an athletic scholarship, Moses accepted an academic scholarship to Morehouse College in Atlanta, majoring in physics and engineering. The school had an athletics team - it didn't have a track, though.
At Morehouse, Moses was known by fellow students as the 'Bionic Man' due to his masochistic workouts and scientific approach to his sport. He competed almost exclusively in the 110-metre hurdles and 400 metres, competing in a 400m hurdles just once before March 1976. But once he started with the event, he made freakishly fast progress - with his track-eating, 9ft 9in stride he proved a natural at the event.
When he was a 20-year-old, unknown scholar-athlete from a renowned black college, Montreal made Moses. Not only did he win the Olympic gold medal - in his first international meet, and just four months after running his first 400m hurdles - he set a world record of 47.64 seconds, lowering John Akii-Bua's mark of 47.82. His eight-metre victory over Mike Shine was the largest winning margin in the event in Olympic history.
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Leroy Walker, the US Olympic track and field coach in 1976, was impressed: 'Extraordinary talent is obvious. We're in the rarefied presence of an immortal here. Edwin's a crowd unto himself.'
Despite being the only American male track athlete to win an individual gold in Montreal, Moses was not warmly received back home. But then his perpetual straight face and dark glasses lent him an impersonal air. For much of his career, Moses was not fully appreciated by sports fans, who viewed him as aloof and arrogant, a hurdling automaton. 'I have the killer instinct,' Moses said. 'It's ego. When I'm on the track, I want to beat everyone.' Not until years later would he earn the respect his achievements merited.
Moses never got the chance to defend his Olympic title. Jimmy Carter ordered the American team to boycott the Moscow Games in 1980 and Moses had to settle for breaking his own world record again, running 47.13 on 13 July in Milan. He would have almost certainly won in Moscow, something which rankled: 'I can remember feeling irritated listening to people being introduced as Olympic champions from Moscow.'
Away from the track, Moses actively fought for athletes' rights. In 1980 he challenged the rules that prevented amateurs from accepting money for competing and making endorsements. Moses's peers backed his stand on that issue (he became the sport's first million-dollar athlete) but he failed to win the same support when he spoke out against drug use a few years later. 'Somebody had to say something,' he said. 'What are these people doing to their bodies? Is winning worth that price?'
Moses went on to win gold - naturally - at the 1983 World Championships (he won despite one of his shoelaces coming undone on the back straight) and the 1984 LA Olympics. By the time he won gold at the 1987 World Championships, avenging the defeat inflicted by Danny Harris earlier that year - 'I wasn't feeling good that day, I probably shouldn't have run' Moses said - his glorious hurdling career was all but over. He was still good enough to win a bronze at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul, aged 33 (ironically, he ran his fastest ever time for an Olympic final), but it turned out to be his swansong.
After retiring from athletics, Moses flirted, incongruously, with bobsledding. He won bronze at a World Cup event in 1990 and finished seventh at the 1991 World Championships.
His image was briefly tarnished in 1985 when he was accused - and acquitted - of soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute, but it didn't do lasting damage to his reputation.
Even now you get the feeling that Moses, who is currently chairman of the Laureus World Sports Academy, feels undervalued, although as time goes by his career looks greater and greater: 'Maybe in the years to come, people will understand the things I have accomplished and realise, "Wow, this guy was really something. Nobody's ever going to do that again."'
YIP HE WAS A LEGEND!
I was well into athletics when younger based on the fact my old man sprinted for England in the Junior (under 21's) euro champs came last in the final 9.6 for the hundred yards (thats yards in those days guys not metres) god knows what year it was probs late fifties. So the enthusiasm came from there, followed it for years til it became apparent most of em were using articial enhancements and I kinda lost interest. Post Linford really. which kinda coincided witht he end of britians golden years of athletics.
Which is probably ironic as he was pretty dubious on the drugs front as it turned out, I also remember he was fornicating hopeless til he won the European indoor champs 200 m, at something like 28 yrs old, then started blasting away all comers from the age of 30 on, seems a bit suspect to me.
unfortuantely i only inherited a smidgen of my old mans pace, but it served me ok on the rugby field.
I was well into athletics when younger based on the fact my old man sprinted for England in the Junior (under 21's) euro champs came last in the final 9.6 for the hundred yards (thats yards in those days guys not metres) god knows what year it was probs late fifties. So the enthusiasm came from there, followed it for years til it became apparent most of em were using articial enhancements and I kinda lost interest. Post Linford really. which kinda coincided witht he end of britians golden years of athletics.
Which is probably ironic as he was pretty dubious on the drugs front as it turned out, I also remember he was fornicating hopeless til he won the European indoor champs 200 m, at something like 28 yrs old, then started blasting away all comers from the age of 30 on, seems a bit suspect to me.
unfortuantely i only inherited a smidgen of my old mans pace, but it served me ok on the rugby field.
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Hate to say it, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't. The sport is absolutely rife with drugs and to achieve that level of dominance over 'assisted' athletes while remaining clean seems incredibly unlikely.Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I know I'm going to sound sentimental but a little bit of my faith in humanity would die if I found out Lance Armstrong was a druggie.
I believe it's David Walsh, chief sportswriter at The Sunday Times, who has been involved in investigating Armstrong's set-up (links with medical experts who are known suppliers etc), and has made himself persona non grata as a result. However, crucially, Armstrong hasn't initiated any legal action against him...
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It does seem incredibly unlikely. This either makes him even more awesome or a drugs cheat and I plump for the former. He's never tested positive yet...and the French authorities have been after the fornicator for years, just as the American press hated Lewis for having their major prize taken by a foreigner.Deserter wrote:Hate to say it, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't. The sport is absolutely rife with drugs and to achieve that level of dominance over 'assisted' athletes while remaining clean seems incredibly unlikely.Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I know I'm going to sound sentimental but a little bit of my faith in humanity would die if I found out Lance Armstrong was a druggie.
I believe it's David Walsh, chief sportswriter at The Sunday Times, who has been involved in investigating Armstrong's set-up (links with medical experts who are known suppliers etc), and has made himself persona non grata as a result. However, crucially, Armstrong hasn't initiated any legal action against him...
Your last point, with all due respect, is a bit misleading. If Armstrong took legal action against everyone who made an accusation against him, he'd have 1000 cases going on right now.
Michael Johnson is my favourite athlete of all time. His 200m world record is amazing, been trying to hunt it down and find a clip of it on the net, but haven't been able to. David Coleman's commentary is great, "It's Johnson, Johnson by yards!" He beat Frankie Fredricks so bad, but even Frankie who was a few meters behind beat the previous record.