The ATG Heavyweight Computerized Tournament: Revisited

[Robinson]

Collins

No..rest assured as much as some posters may be intereested
in such findings...it will be anal intrusion free ;)

This is where some one now posts images of the backside of
'muscular' fighters performing calisenthics.

[Collins2000]

200 variables per man?

eff that. Too much work.

Oh, I see, As soon as the magnitude of what we are undertaking is brought home you start to crumble.

You don't want to be associated with another failed tourney do you, Rufus?

Now, can you use Excel or not?

[HomicideHenry]

The list as it is, is final. Its a done deal.

Making the match-ups, is what needs to be done now.

I appoint Collins2000 to make the matches, since he's so willing to throw his opinion on the tournament. You best get cracking!

[HomicideHenry]

No I cannot. I absoloutely hate the damn program.

Btw, if Kym has all these guys on his program anyways, why not just use what he's got on them already?

[Collins2000]

The list as it is, is final. Its a done deal.

Making the match-ups, is what needs to be done now.

I appoint Collins2000 to make the matches, since he's so willing to throw his opinion on the tournament. You best get cracking!

Do you have the authority to appoint me? I thought we were still setting up the committee???

In the meantime, email me the excel spreadsheet with the 92 men as rows and 200 columns for each row where we enter the variables.

[email protected]

[HomicideHenry]

Oh you're doing the variables?

All I need to do is make a damn spread sheet?

[Collins2000]

Oh you're doing the variables?

All I need to do is make a damn spread sheet?

abso-fekkin-lutely, young man!

[HomicideHenry]

Btw, what are the 200 variables?

[Ezzard]

You can all laugh about 200 variables per fighter etc but this is the kind of geeky sh1t that keeps me awake at night.

[Robinson]

Lets get them dice out Ezzard.

I think the more 'variables' the more
accurate and interesting the simulations become.
Just defining and calibrating the variables is
the hard part.

[Robinson]

Lets get these match ups happening...

[BoxBuzz]

Is the hybrid idea going to fly? Or is it a Hindenburg approach?

[Ezzard]

Lets get them dice out Ezzard.

I think the more 'variables' the more
accurate and interesting the simulations become.
Just defining and calibrating the variables is
the hard part.

That sounds like quite a task.

Might you not be better just using he ones in Title Bout but putting our ratings to their variables? You'll never end if you offer the board up to define what variables should be taken into account and what weighting they should have.

[Robinson]

I recall my grandfather having a board game, cards and dice boxing
game. I was pretty young. Its a vague memory. I wish I knew where
it is.

Buzz...

Im actually talking about abducting the fighters at their peaks and
making the matches that way. Its a complicated science but it can
be done.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

You'll never end if you offer the board up to define what variables should be taken into account and what weighting they should have.

- I can see the Tyson variables- 10 ratings on power, speed, combinations, footwork, and a zer0 rating on standing up to anyone who stands up to him that sees Ruby Robert steamrollering Iron Mike in the tourney.

I'm expecting a wealth of such gems to be found in the compressed results.

[Robinson]

That is why I am not interested in variables.

I can run these so called 'simulations' so long
as people give me the comlete list and proposed
matches.

[Ezzard]

You'll never end if you offer the board up to define what variables should be taken into account and what weighting they should have.

- I can see the Tyson variables- 10 ratings on power, speed, combinations, footwork, and a zer0 rating on standing up to anyone who stands up to him that sees Ruby Robert steamrollering Iron Mike in the tourney.

I'm expecting a wealth of such gems to be found in the compressed results.

I thought you'd decided that it was all down to King, Givens and prozac? Oh and a childhood that makes those born into slavery and the holocaust seem like a picnic.

Seriously it would be interesting to rate the fighters in categories.

Back in the mid to late 1980s The Ring did this with all weights... From memory I think they used the following 10...

Power
Talent
Defence
Hand Speed/Co-ordination
Foot work
Heart
Chin/Survival instinct
Endurance/Durability
Historical significance/ability to transcend the sport
Quality of opposition

I don't know, something like that...

[Collins2000]

I'm still waiting on that spreadsheet Rufus.

:(

[Collins2000]

Btw, what are the 200 variables?

You let me worry about the 200 variables.

Your job is to get the spreadsheet started with the 92 boxers as individual rows.

Email it to me when completed.

[email protected]

[HomicideHenry]

I think the public would want to know what the 200 variables are.

Murray Woroner and Hank Kaplan wrote up 129 variables back in 1967 for the NCR-315 tournaments, so my question is, if someone as intelligent as Hank Kaplan could only come up with 129 variables, then how do you and Kym come up with 200?

A list of those variables would be appreciated, imo.

[Collins2000]

I think the public would want to know what the 200 variables are.

Murray Woroner and Hank Kaplan wrote up 129 variables back in 1967 for the NCR-315 tournaments, so my question is, if someone as intelligent as Hank Kaplan could only come up with 129 variables, then how do you and Kym come up with 200?

A list of those variables would be appreciated, imo.

Have you sent me the spreadsheet yet?

Leave 200 blank columns to the right of each of the 92 names and I will then put column heading for each of the 200 variables and post a downloadable copy on the web. Then each person can take a copy and update the variables with the values as they see fit. When everyone has entered their values for the variables we can work out an average.

How does that sound?

But I can't start until I get the spreadsheet with the 92 names, Rufus.

Send it to me now at [email protected]

Please don't post in this thread again unless it is to say the spreadsheet has been sent.

You don't seem to be taking this seriously and Kym and I are worried we might end up being associated with a bullshit tourny.

[HomicideHenry]

I dont have Excel on my computer. Is there another way to do it?

[Collins2000]

I dont have Excel on my computer. Is there another way to do it?

There is the bullshit way, Rufus.

But I thought you wanted to avoid that?

Look, I don't think you have any idea how to run a tournament as important as this.

It needs more than just childish enthusiasm.

[Robinson]

HH...would you like Collins and I to decide on the
match ups ?

[HomicideHenry]

If the matches can be picked as randomly as possible, sure.