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dagosd2000 wrote:NO DREAMING ALLOWED

With the exception of a sport,just off the top of my head,like distance running there's no lee way for error in training. Boxing is a contact sport. Guys in boxing trunks wear a protecter covering their jewels and a mouthshield to keep what's left of their teeth intact. Fellas' that have laced on boxing gloves know that the concussion of a blow is more powerfull with the mitts on. Gloves are worn to prevent cutting.

So climb into the ring out of shape and there's the probability they'll be carrying you out unless both pugs are washed up. Then the sport is given a black eye.

We read about, and have seen, that many of the warriors had(and have) an affliction for the the polish. As they age that process is accelerated by their drinking. Then in the flower period of the 60's drugs became vogue. Vogue isn't necessarily condusive to boxing.

I've seen guys use amphetimines as a suplement for road work. Cocaine to hone the reflexes. Marijuana to alleviate the anxiety. Then when the battle ensues the illusion is painfull.

Lots of fighters have washed out early with the booze and the drugs. We don't need to list names.

There's no margin for error with boxing. It's a dangerous undertaking. Someone said in a movie that drugs are the things dreams are made of. The fighters who think they can get away from indulging with drugs(and alcohol) are dreaming.
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L.A. Then and Now
Burlesque era remains alive in hall of fame

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Catherine d'Lish performs at "Legends" night at the Burlesque Hall of Fame in Las Vegas. D'Lish is a former Miss Exotic World.
A performer who founded the Exotic Dancers League of America in L.A. in the 1950s also had a museum, whose collection now calls Las Vegas home.

By Steve Harvey
April 5, 2009

As a burlesque dancer at the Follies Theater in downtown L.A., Dixie Evans encountered a few rats in the early 1950s, but not all of them were customers. Some were actual rodents.

"There was a big, round water pipe that ran through the basement where we dressed," Evans recalled. "Rats would run on the pipe."

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Former dancer Dixie Evans, a Long Beach native, was known as the Marilyn Monroe of Burlesque during her performing days. She is the curator of the Burlesque Hall of Fame museum in Las Vegas.
(Don Spiro)
June 6, 2008

Dixie Evans Sally RandLuckily, she said, there were usually cops around.

"They [the cops] liked to hang out in the theater, especially on rainy days," she said.

On a couple of occasions, she continued, an officer pulled out his revolver and picked off one of the invaders.

"These [cops] were young guys, and they sort of liked to show their valor," she said. "The girls would stand behind them and squeal and holler and applaud."

The Main Street theater is gone. But Evans, 82, known as the Frisco Flash and the Marilyn Monroe of Burlesque in her performing days, is determined to keep alive the memories -- wacky and otherwise -- of the burlesque hall era. That's why she became involved with the Exotic Dancers League of America, an organization of strippers founded in Los Angeles in the 1950s by her close friend, the late Jennie Lee.

A dancer whose nickname was Miss 44 and Plenty More, Lee held annual reunions of burlesque performers, inducting new members by presenting them with a plaster Fanny (a replica of Miss Lee's behind). She also published an annual Ten Best Undressed list.

For several years, Lee's Exotic World Museum was based at her Sassy Lassy nightclub on Pacific Avenue in San Pedro near Fort MacArthur, further cementing the close ties between strippers and servicemen.

But Lee's health went into decline around 1980, and she and her husband, Charles Arroyo, moved Exotic World to a one-time goat ranch in Helendale, a Mojave Desert town near Victorville.

After Lee died in 1990, her husband asked Evans to keep the museum going.

"He didn't know anything about burlesque," Evans said. "He was in real estate."

Evans moved in and added new touches to the museum.

"As you drive into Exotic World, half-naked Grecian goddesses and lawn jockeys greet you from the front yard," the website legendsofamerica.com reported several years ago.

"Inside the walls are filled with photographs and playbills of busty strippers from days gone by, and a wealth of memorabilia, including pasties, lip-prints and even the jewel-encrusted G-strings of such burlesque legends as Blaze Starr, Lili St. Cyr, Candy Barr and Chesty Morgan."

The burlesque industry has never received the credit it deserved for its contributions, Evans believes.

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Sally Rand, who rocked to worldwide fame as a fan dancer at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair, poses with her famous fans at age 62 in 1972 in San Francisco, where she appeared in a nostalgie vaudeville revue "The Big Show of 1936."
(Associated Press)

"We saved America in the '30s," she said. "It was the Depression, a sad time. But men could come into the theater and see a flamboyant, gaudy show with a wild sense of humor, and we put smiles on their faces. It wasn't just the dancers. There were comics, jugglers."

After Arroyo died in 2005, Evans inherited the Helendale property, but there were permit problems with the county authorities. A goat shed at the ranch had been converted into several museum rooms. But, Evans said, "the county told us there had been no building permit since 1938."

Overwhelmed by the red tape, she packed up the pasties and other artifacts and moved the museum to Las Vegas. She also had Exotic World converted into a nonprofit foundation.

In Vegas she teamed up with longtime Exotic World fans such as producer Luke Littell, creative consultant Laura Herbert and a performer known as Paula the Swedish Housewife and created the Burlesque Hall of Fame.

Although it is not yet open to the public, the Burlesque Hall has been holding annual shows in Sin City since 2006. The next one will be June 4-7 at the Orleans Hotel.

Festivities will include a "Barecats" bowling tournament, a "Titans of Tease" reunion (55-and-older category), a burlesque "finishing school," a "Texas Tease'em" poker tournament and "a Best of Burlesque 2009 Pageant."

Gypsy Rose Lee's trunk and costumes will also be on exhibit, as will Tempest Storm's dresses and Sally Rand's original ivory fans. Rand became a legend in the industry when she was arrested four times in one day during her fan dances at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair.

Of course, nearly every stripper was pinched in the conservative era that predated the so-called sexual revolution of the 1960s.

Evans recalled the time she was arrested in Miami just before an election. "Whenever it was election time in Miami, they'd raid the strip joints," she said. "I told the judge, 'Your Honor, this is the same act you saw at the policemen's show.' "

The charges were promptly stripped from her record.

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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:NO DREAMING ALLOWED

With the exception of a sport,just off the top of my head,like distance running there's no lee way for error in training. Boxing is a contact sport. Guys in boxing trunks wear a protecter covering their jewels and a mouthshield to keep what's left of their teeth intact. Fellas' that have laced on boxing gloves know that the concussion of a blow is more powerfull with the mitts on. Gloves are worn to prevent cutting.

So climb into the ring out of shape and there's the probability they'll be carrying you out unless both pugs are washed up. Then the sport is given a black eye.

We read about, and have seen, that many of the warriors had(and have) an affliction for the the polish. As they age that process is accelerated by their drinking. Then in the flower period of the 60's drugs became vogue. Vogue isn't necessarily condusive to boxing.

I've seen guys use amphetimines as a suplement for road work. Cocaine to hone the reflexes. Marijuana to alleviate the anxiety. Then when the battle ensues the illusion is painfull.

Lots of fighters have washed out early with the booze and the drugs. We don't need to list names.

There's no margin for error with boxing. It's a dangerous undertaking. Someone said in a movie that drugs are the things dreams are made of. The fighters who think they can get away from indulging with drugs(and alcohol) are dreaming.
Rog...I see that you're up on this fine morning with some great writings... :TU:
Thanks Frank
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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:NO DREAMING ALLOWED

With the exception of a sport,just off the top of my head,like distance running there's no lee way for error in training. Boxing is a contact sport. Guys in boxing trunks wear a protecter covering their jewels and a mouthshield to keep what's left of their teeth intact. Fellas' that have laced on boxing gloves know that the concussion of a blow is more powerfull with the mitts on. Gloves are worn to prevent cutting.

So climb into the ring out of shape and there's the probability they'll be carrying you out unless both pugs are washed up. Then the sport is given a black eye.

We read about, and have seen, that many of the warriors had(and have) an affliction for the the polish. As they age that process is accelerated by their drinking. Then in the flower period of the 60's drugs became vogue. Vogue isn't necessarily condusive to boxing.

I've seen guys use amphetimines as a suplement for road work. Cocaine to hone the reflexes. Marijuana to alleviate the anxiety. Then when the battle ensues the illusion is painfull.

Lots of fighters have washed out early with the booze and the drugs. We don't need to list names.

There's no margin for error with boxing. It's a dangerous undertaking. Someone said in a movie that drugs are the things dreams are made of. The fighters who think they can get away from indulging with drugs(and alcohol) are dreaming.
Rog...I see that you're up on this fine morning with some great writings... :TU:
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kikibalt wrote:L.A. Then and Now
Burlesque era remains alive in hall of fame

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Catherine d'Lish performs at "Legends" night at the Burlesque Hall of Fame in Las Vegas. D'Lish is a former Miss Exotic World.
A performer who founded the Exotic Dancers League of America in L.A. in the 1950s also had a museum, whose collection now calls Las Vegas home.

By Steve Harvey
April 5, 2009

As a burlesque dancer at the Follies Theater in downtown L.A., Dixie Evans encountered a few rats in the early 1950s, but not all of them were customers. Some were actual rodents.

"There was a big, round water pipe that ran through the basement where we dressed," Evans recalled. "Rats would run on the pipe."

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Former dancer Dixie Evans, a Long Beach native, was known as the Marilyn Monroe of Burlesque during her performing days. She is the curator of the Burlesque Hall of Fame museum in Las Vegas.
(Don Spiro)
June 6, 2008

Dixie Evans Sally RandLuckily, she said, there were usually cops around.

"They [the cops] liked to hang out in the theater, especially on rainy days," she said.

On a couple of occasions, she continued, an officer pulled out his revolver and picked off one of the invaders.

"These [cops] were young guys, and they sort of liked to show their valor," she said. "The girls would stand behind them and squeal and holler and applaud."

The Main Street theater is gone. But Evans, 82, known as the Frisco Flash and the Marilyn Monroe of Burlesque in her performing days, is determined to keep alive the memories -- wacky and otherwise -- of the burlesque hall era. That's why she became involved with the Exotic Dancers League of America, an organization of strippers founded in Los Angeles in the 1950s by her close friend, the late Jennie Lee.

A dancer whose nickname was Miss 44 and Plenty More, Lee held annual reunions of burlesque performers, inducting new members by presenting them with a plaster Fanny (a replica of Miss Lee's behind). She also published an annual Ten Best Undressed list.

For several years, Lee's Exotic World Museum was based at her Sassy Lassy nightclub on Pacific Avenue in San Pedro near Fort MacArthur, further cementing the close ties between strippers and servicemen.

But Lee's health went into decline around 1980, and she and her husband, Charles Arroyo, moved Exotic World to a one-time goat ranch in Helendale, a Mojave Desert town near Victorville.

After Lee died in 1990, her husband asked Evans to keep the museum going.

"He didn't know anything about burlesque," Evans said. "He was in real estate."

Evans moved in and added new touches to the museum.

"As you drive into Exotic World, half-naked Grecian goddesses and lawn jockeys greet you from the front yard," the website legendsofamerica.com reported several years ago.

"Inside the walls are filled with photographs and playbills of busty strippers from days gone by, and a wealth of memorabilia, including pasties, lip-prints and even the jewel-encrusted G-strings of such burlesque legends as Blaze Starr, Lili St. Cyr, Candy Barr and Chesty Morgan."

The burlesque industry has never received the credit it deserved for its contributions, Evans believes.

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Sally Rand, who rocked to worldwide fame as a fan dancer at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair, poses with her famous fans at age 62 in 1972 in San Francisco, where she appeared in a nostalgie vaudeville revue "The Big Show of 1936."
(Associated Press)

"We saved America in the '30s," she said. "It was the Depression, a sad time. But men could come into the theater and see a flamboyant, gaudy show with a wild sense of humor, and we put smiles on their faces. It wasn't just the dancers. There were comics, jugglers."

After Arroyo died in 2005, Evans inherited the Helendale property, but there were permit problems with the county authorities. A goat shed at the ranch had been converted into several museum rooms. But, Evans said, "the county told us there had been no building permit since 1938."

Overwhelmed by the red tape, she packed up the pasties and other artifacts and moved the museum to Las Vegas. She also had Exotic World converted into a nonprofit foundation.

In Vegas she teamed up with longtime Exotic World fans such as producer Luke Littell, creative consultant Laura Herbert and a performer known as Paula the Swedish Housewife and created the Burlesque Hall of Fame.

Although it is not yet open to the public, the Burlesque Hall has been holding annual shows in Sin City since 2006. The next one will be June 4-7 at the Orleans Hotel.

Festivities will include a "Barecats" bowling tournament, a "Titans of Tease" reunion (55-and-older category), a burlesque "finishing school," a "Texas Tease'em" poker tournament and "a Best of Burlesque 2009 Pageant."

Gypsy Rose Lee's trunk and costumes will also be on exhibit, as will Tempest Storm's dresses and Sally Rand's original ivory fans. Rand became a legend in the industry when she was arrested four times in one day during her fan dances at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair.

Of course, nearly every stripper was pinched in the conservative era that predated the so-called sexual revolution of the 1960s.

Evans recalled the time she was arrested in Miami just before an election. "Whenever it was election time in Miami, they'd raid the strip joints," she said. "I told the judge, 'Your Honor, this is the same act you saw at the policemen's show.' "

The charges were promptly stripped from her record.

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BEAUTY IS IN THE BODY OF THE BEHOLDING

I've written about my experiences attending the Hollywood theater on Market Street In San Diego. The last burlesque house to finally shut its doors. A lot of history there. Owned by Bob Johnston. Him and his brother went back to the Roarin' Twenties with fellas' like Dempsey,Rickard,Doc Kearns,and then later with Archie Moore. Bob was married to one of the dancers at the Hollywood. Texas Bobbie Roberts. She was a little long in the tooth when I saw her in 1964,but she was as sexy as you could imagine. Those burlesque girls had meat on their bones. Maybe it was the custom back then when those houses were putting on their shows. Curves were alluring to the male eye.Still are.

When Texas Bobbie swiveled slowly across the run way ,arms gently out ,eyes making contact with all the guys in the audience,I knew that I was in the right place. She was put together.Big around the hips and proud of it. Her bosom was her bosom friend and she knew how to put it out there. None of that silicone stuff. If it sagged a little, she was comfortable with it and I think that made her even more alluring. I always thought those dancers aged pretty good.

Nowadays it's tiny asses and bulemia. I'm not choosy when it comes to women's physiques,but I like the old "Vargas Girl" style.

I'll tell you a funny story. Amanda,my 12 year old grand daughter ,was teasing my wife(her grandmother).
"Abuelita",she said,"You're getting old."
My wife fired back with female instincts.
"Mira,"said my wife."No have chi chis. No have nalgas(butt).Callete!"

Go get her honey. :lol:
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Thanks Frank
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TKO prevents sanctioned amateur boxing

Commission calls suspension temporary

By Derek Wilson/Times-Herald sports writer

Across the bay in Vallejo, a local gym throbs with the same level of excitement. Fighters making their debuts look across the rows of seats to see their parents cheering them on.

There are no tuxedos here, no ring-card girls and none of the money or glamour that flows through the big city.

"Boxing is good for myself, because I get something out of it. I feel good. I get exercise," said Ernesto Serrano, a 120-pounder who's been training with Vallejo PAL the past five months. "But it's good for

One thing these contrasting scenes have in common: Both are amateur boxing shows, sanctioned by USA Boxing, the sport's national governing body.

Another trait the two shows share: Both are being shut down by the California State Athletic Commission.

There is a showdown coming between the two entities and California's amateur fighters are caught in the middle.

"I feel let down for the kids," said Vallejo PAL boxing coach Paul Koon. Vallejo PAL had scheduled a boxing show for April 11 with 14 scheduled bouts, including fighters from other clubs. More than 80 tickets had already been sold, but must now be returned after the blanket ban by the CSAC.

"They had been training hard and looking real good. ... We got the news and it took the steam out of our kids," said Koon, whose own son is a nationally ranked amateur heavyweight.

The CSAC recently issued a temporary statewide ban on all amateur boxing shows hosted by private clubs after concerns were raised about whether USA Boxing was doing a proper job of protecting the boxers.

"The temporary suspension will remain in effect until CSAC has fully investigated numerous allegations concerning regulation of the sport by USA Boxing and its local affiliates," according to a March 23 CSAC press release. As previously reported in the press, young children, many under 16 and some as young as 8, have been fighting in private clubs for entertainment purposes.

"The Commission is concerned that the safety and fairness standards set forth and overseen by the national office of USA Boxing are inadequate to properly protect the health and safety of amateur fighters in California," the release said.

USA Boxing has been the primary sanctioning body for amateur boxing in California, although the CSAC still has the last word. State inspectors, however, have been more focused on professional boxing and mixed martial arts bouts -- until now.

"USA Boxing is now suspended from operating in all of California. We have been served with a cease-and-desist order by the CSAC. We can no longer hold any amateur boxing shows," wrote Oscar Ortiz, USA Boxing's Northern California association president. Ortiz said the national office has until Tuesday to show cause why the privileges should not be permanently revoked.

By state law, there is to be no alcohol served, no gambling and, in effect, none of the trademarks of a professional show surrounding amateur competition.

One amateur coach, Robert Salinas, blew the whistle on a pair of San Francisco clubs, including San Francisco's City Club and the renowned Olympic Club. He reported that parents of boxers were not allowed to attend the shows, where, according to a KGO-TV report, bartenders mixed drinks while men in tuxes exchanged cash as bets were laid down before a pair of teenage fighters emerged from their corners.

The Olympic Club disputes the KGO report, stating none of the fighters in their shows are under 18. The club further denies that it allows any gambling or alcohol on the premises during the shows.

Some coaches, including Koon and Vallejo PAL boxing director Andrew Trujillo, support an investigation into such activities and back penalties against the clubs and individuals involved.

Meanwhile, they have to explain to their fighters, including 13-year-old Jason Cabutos,

that it's not their fault they won't be fighting April 11.

"I was mad, because it was my first fight and they just canceled it without notice," said Cabutos, a featherweight, who hoped he might become a world champion like Manny Pacquiao.

"My dad told me later what happened. I understand, but it made me angry."

The Vallejo PAL boxers will still enter the ring at the Elks Lodge on April 11, but it will be a sparring session, not an official bout. Coaches and parents are also planning to meet with state officials to discuss the ban.

"I was annoyed that they canceled (the match). I trained hard and they canceled it. I'm not sure if that was fair," Serrano said. "It's wrong that (other clubs) were doing that, but it's wrong for everyone to be punished."

Athletes and coaches with questions regarding the ban should call the California State Athletic Commission at (916) 263-2196.
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dagosd2000 wrote:Bennie
Here in the colonies we're always tearing down historical landmarks. They're starting to raze the old Yankee Stadium. This is our most famous out door arena for sporting events. The Yankees with Ruth and Gehrig. The Louis/Schmeling fight. The 'sudden death' playoff between the Colts and the Giants.

My understanding is the old treasure didn't have room to build enough corporate sky boxes. They are building a new Yankee Stadium across the street. There'll be plenty of sky boxes,hotel rooms,shops,and spas in the new one. I've never attended a game with the thought of frequenting a spa. Besides,it's hard to throw beer from inside a sauna. :D
Over here they get upset if they chop down a tree. We English tend to resist change, especially of famous old sites. They tried to bulldoze the York Hall in Bethnal Green (a stone's thow from where the notorious Kray wins were born and bred) but people power won out and the sweltering little venue continues to house boxing and many other events.

Bennie . . . The most successful amateur boxing venue in Southern California history was Jim Jeffries Barn in Burbank. In 1954, after the former champ's death, the barn was declared a "Historic Building" which prevented it from being destroyed, however, it was taken apart and relocated more than twenty miles away, where it was reconstructed at "Knott's Berry Farm", which would grow into a major amusement theme park.

The site where the building once stood became home to a supermarket, and in mid 60's a Union Hall also was built on the property. A few years back, the original market and Union Hall was torn down, and a newer, larger market built. In California, a buildng's lifetime is considered to be forty years. The sad thing about American is a society is that it has little respect for anything old, and that includes people. This is especially true in Southern California, where anything over age forty is considered on the down side of productive. This is not a great place for people to grow old and retire, and it's not a place to expect fine craftsmanship, generally speaking. Today, buildings are considered to have a shelf life of about forty years, and the same applies to people. America takes great pride in helping other countries (and usually destroying them in the process), but it ignores and in many cases abuses it's elderly.

Your story about York Hall brought a smile to my face. Your referring to "People Power" also brought a smile to my face. I know things have changed a great deal in Great Britain in recent years, same is true here, however, respect for that sweltering boxing venue (and that's exactly how my actor friend described it) shows that some people still have their heads on straight. Next year, when I retrun to the U.K. I'm going to attend a match at York Hall with my English mates. I'm also going to stop into one of those "Boxer Pubs" I've heard about. By the way, as per your recommendation, I will submit the name Maurice Hope for WBHOF induction this week, as well as Henry Cooper.

-Rick Farris
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dagosd2000 wrote:NO DREAMING ALLOWED

With the exception of a sport,just off the top of my head,like distance running there's no lee way for error in training. Boxing is a contact sport. Guys in boxing trunks wear a protecter covering their jewels and a mouthshield to keep what's left of their teeth intact. Fellas' that have laced on boxing gloves know that the concussion of a blow is more powerfull with the mitts on. Gloves are worn to prevent cutting.

So climb into the ring out of shape and there's the probability they'll be carrying you out unless both pugs are washed up. Then the sport is given a black eye.

We read about, and have seen, that many of the warriors had(and have) an affliction for the the polish. As they age that process is accelerated by their drinking. Then in the flower period of the 60's drugs became vogue. Vogue isn't necessarily condusive to boxing.

I've seen guys use amphetimines as a suplement for road work. Cocaine to hone the reflexes. Marijuana to alleviate the anxiety. Then when the battle ensues the illusion is painfull.

Lots of fighters have washed out early with the booze and the drugs. We don't need to list names.

There's no margin for error with boxing. It's a dangerous undertaking. Someone said in a movie that drugs are the things dreams are made of. The fighters who think they can get away from indulging with drugs(and alcohol) are dreaming.

Gloves are designed to protect the hand only. With gloves, hands that would normally break without protection, can continue to inflict punishment on an opponent. Cuts? Cuts are a bonus, blood is the next best thing to a KO in the minds of boxing fans. Most cuts are caused by head butts or elbows, after that, the leather from the gloves will rip open scar tissue. The extra weight of the gloves will result in more knockouts, as well. The purpose of boxing gloves has nothing to do with protection of the boxer's general health, just the hands. One of the reasons the MMA boys go to the ground and limit their punching is very simple, it hurts their hands punching with those timy gloves or a bare fist. As for Cocaine, many of the boxers I know who have mental problems today are a product of a mixture of drugs and head trauma. Jerry Quarry was a prime example of what happenes when you mix cocaine and blunt force trauma to the head. So are a few other of my contemporaries.

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Rick Farris wrote:America takes great pride in helping other countries (and usually destroying them in the process), but it ignores and in many cases abuses it's elderly.

-Rick Farris
Destroy first and then rebuild, it just business, and the people in power make sure their buddys get the contracts, didn't we just witness that in the last few years?
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kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:America takes great pride in helping other countries (and usually destroying them in the process), but it ignores and in many cases abuses it's elderly.

-Rick Farris
Destroy first and then rebuild, it just business, and the people in power make sure their buddys get the contracts, didn't we just witness that in the last few years?
The sad thing was what has happened to the moral of the American people. Things just kept getting worse, day by day. It's been ages since we had a real leader, somebody we could believe in. The guy in office today cannot be expected to clear up eight years of economic Hell over night, however, he's a leader, and decent, and maybe we can get out of that "bully mode", that of the last coward to hold the most powerful position in the world.


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Went to see James and his team (Dirty Dawgs) play softball, shot some picture which I'll post in a bit.
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Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Johnnie Flores & Jerry Quarry 1967-68 . . .


I was fifteen, when Muhammad Ali was stripped of the Heavyweight title and exiled from boxing for more than three years.
Somebody would have to take his place, and there were ten contenders suddenly eligable to win the title that Cassius Clay had held since stopping Sonny Liston in 1964.

Nobody had come close to beating Ali, not at that point in his career, not at age 25.
But Ali was gone, at least for a few years and there would have to be a tournament to find his successor.

New York quickly declared the winner of a 15-round bout between Joe Frazier and Buster Mathis, as the new heavyweight champ. However, the rest of the world would recognize the winner of the eight man WBA Heavyweight Tournament as the true Successor.
Frazier beat Mathis for the N.Y. version of the title, but he would not be recognized universally as champ until he defeated the winner of the eight man contest.

This was a great time in my life. I had been boxing in the Johnnie Flores boxing stable for nearly three years. Johnnie handled Jerry Quarry.
Johnnie had managed the 22-year-old heavyweight from the time he was a junior boxer, only seven-years-old.
Jerry began his boxing career in the same place I would a dozen years later, at Flores' backyard gym in Pacoima, California.
It was like a second home to me when I was a teenager.

I was within my element at the gym, and when Johnnie Flores walked in later in the evening, after eating his dinner, the place really came alive.
Johnnie was one of the greatest story tellers I'd ever know.
He'd walk thru the door, acknowledge everybody, usually a toothpick in his mouth. He'd then share his day with us.

One night, Johnnie had a big smile on his face. He had good news.
Johnnie's heavyweight, Jerry Quarry, would be among the eight contenders who would meet in a tourney to crown a new WBA Heavyweight Champ.
This was a big deal, and Johnnie Flores would come very close to managing a World Heavyweight Champion before it was over.

In those days, Johnnie had a lot to share, a lot about current state of the heavyweight division.
His boy, Jerry Quarry, was in the mix, seriously so after whipping favored Thad Spencer in Oakland in the semi-final.
This earned Jerry a shot at the title, in the championship match with Jimmy Ellis.
Jerry had just turned 23, and a slight favorite to beat Ellis and take the title. Jerry's power roared in the Spencer match, and Ellis wasn't a "big" heavyweight.
It would later be proven later that Jerry could not beat either Frazier or Ali, however, he was favored to beat Ellis, and rightly so.

Of course, the Jerry Quarry that showed up to fight Ellis in Oakland, forty-one years ago, wasn't the same Jerry that showed up for Scrap Iron Johnson, or Earnie Shavers, or Ron Lyle, or Spencer, or Mac Foster, or even Joe Frazier the following year.
That Jerry Quarry was a dangerous heavyweight, an explosive puncher with great boxing skills.
Jerry's worse opponent was himself, and when he wasn't right, he was a dog with a lot of fleas.
It was all about his mind. He was never predictable, but don't be foolish enough to take Quarry for granted.

I remember Jerry was matched with Floyd Patterson in the quarter-final. Patterson had held Jerry to a draw a few months earlier, but this Jerry was on a mission and Patterson would lose a decision this time.

As the tournament progressed, right thru to the title fight, Johnnie Flores kept us on top of things. And of course, he had a couple other headliners as well, featherweight Dwight Hawkins and the "Maravilla Kid" Ruben Navarro. Ruben was getting a Jr. title fight with Rene Barrientos, the WBA 130lb Champ, in Manila. Ruben also fought in Japan that year. Dwight Hawkins, in 1968, had three back-to-back bouts in Tokyo, in a three month period, KOing Kiniaki Shibata in 7, Rokuro Ishiyama in 2, and dropping a close decision to the great Fighting Harada.

Between Jerry's 1968 heavyweight title elimination bouts, Hawkins and Navarro's overseas bouts, and then his other boxers at home, Johnnie Flores was a busy man. He was one of the hottest managers on the West Coast, and in 1968, a major player in the world of world class professional boxing.

Those were exciting times for all of us. "Our Stable" nearly included the Heavyweight Champion of the World.
Unfortunatly, the "wrong" Jerry showed up for the Jimmy Ellis fight. :witzend:


-Rick Farris
Rick, I recall reading that Jerry had suffered a back injury before the Ellis fight but unwisely declined to postpone the bout. His loss had alot to do with the back injury.

Do you have any information about that?

Thanks!
Tom . . . Jerry injured his back when he was a teenager diving into a pool. On occasion he would have problems, but nothing major. Jerry was accident prone, stupid things, and I remember Jerry blaming his back for his poor performance, however, those close to Jerry know the problem was not with his back, but his brain. Jerry fought a stupid fight with a guy he should have blown out. In a dramatic exit from the ring, as Jimmy Ellis basked in winning the heavyweight title, Jerry Quarry grabbed the ring microphone and announced his retirement from boxing. He was 23-years-old. After the embarrassing performance, nobody cared.

-Rick Farris
Rick,
Always a fan of Jerry's I have really enjoyed learning the inside story from you on Jerry and the rest of the Quarry's I might even be a bigger fan now! It is interesting to think about what might have been had Jerry pulled off the win against Ellis; I have always been a believer that winning a championship can make a fighter better having gained confidence by reaching that pinnacle. Jerry with his head trips being one of his largest obsticles out of the way really may have been a bigger part of the heavyweight picture in the 70s than he was.
Keep them coming Rick.
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Rick Farris wrote:
bennie wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Bennie
Here in the colonies we're always tearing down historical landmarks. They're starting to raze the old Yankee Stadium. This is our most famous out door arena for sporting events. The Yankees with Ruth and Gehrig. The Louis/Schmeling fight. The 'sudden death' playoff between the Colts and the Giants.

My understanding is the old treasure didn't have room to build enough corporate sky boxes. They are building a new Yankee Stadium across the street. There'll be plenty of sky boxes,hotel rooms,shops,and spas in the new one. I've never attended a game with the thought of frequenting a spa. Besides,it's hard to throw beer from inside a sauna. :D
Over here they get upset if they chop down a tree. We English tend to resist change, especially of famous old sites. They tried to bulldoze the York Hall in Bethnal Green (a stone's thow from where the notorious Kray wins were born and bred) but people power won out and the sweltering little venue continues to house boxing and many other events.

Bennie . . . The most successful amateur boxing venue in Southern California history was Jim Jeffries Barn in Burbank. In 1954, after the former champ's death, the barn was declared a "Historic Building" which prevented it from being destroyed, however, it was taken apart and relocated more than twenty miles away, where it was reconstructed at "Knott's Berry Farm", which would grow into a major amusement theme park.

The site where the building once stood became home to a supermarket, and in mid 60's a Union Hall also was built on the property. A few years back, the original market and Union Hall was torn down, and a newer, larger market built. In California, a buildng's lifetime is considered to be forty years. The sad thing about American is a society is that it has little respect for anything old, and that includes people. This is especially true in Southern California, where anything over age forty is considered on the down side of productive. This is not a great place for people to grow old and retire, and it's not a place to expect fine craftsmanship, generally speaking. Today, buildings are considered to have a shelf life of about forty years, and the same applies to people. America takes great pride in helping other countries (and usually destroying them in the process), but it ignores and in many cases abuses it's elderly.

Your story about York Hall brought a smile to my face. Your referring to "People Power" also brought a smile to my face. I know things have changed a great deal in Great Britain in recent years, same is true here, however, respect for that sweltering boxing venue (and that's exactly how my actor friend described it) shows that some people still have their heads on straight. Next year, when I retrun to the U.K. I'm going to attend a match at York Hall with my English mates. I'm also going to stop into one of those "Boxer Pubs" I've heard about. By the way, as per your recommendation, I will submit the name Maurice Hope for WBHOF induction this week, as well as Henry Cooper.

-Rick Farris
A great post, Rick. Growing old is the same here, really. My mother says you become invisible.
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Sad to say that one of our best referees, Richie Davies, a man I have chatted to several times - a nice man - has just lost his beloved wife to cancer.
Richie has posted the tragic news on the British forum.
Life can be so cruel. Just before Christmas she (Esme) was given the all clear by doctors.
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Roach & Pacquiao, Getting Ready for Hatton

By Dan Hernandez

“Call back in May, after the fight, if you want to speak with Manny. Keep trying to reach Freddie after 5 PM, maybe you’ll get lucky”

Man who answers telephone at Roach’s Wildcard Boxing Club

Attempting to coordinate an interview with Manny Pacquiao and Freddie Roach developed into a much more difficult task than expected. Being able to speak with Roach in the past without a hindrance, I expected the same positive reaction. All indications are that he is still the same pleasant fellow I communicated with a few months back, it is just that my timing thus far has been unfortunate. Manny, on the other hand, is focused on the task at hand and is not available to me on a one-to-one basis. Having a contact in the camp I felt confidant that either or both men would call me back, I‘m still waiting. Upon hearing my request the man that answered the phone at The Wild card Boxing Club said, “Call back in May after the fight if you want to speak with Manny. Keep trying to reach Freddie after 5 PM during the week, maybe you’ll get lucky.”
I have not been successful. Fortunately, Roach is so well documented that I was able to gather a few of his quotes pertaining to this fight and have added them to this piece.

Freddie Roach is the owner of the Wildcard Boxing Club in Los Angeles and is at the hub of the most popular trainers in boxing. His prize student at this time is, Manny Pacquiao, who fights Ricky “The Hitman” Hatton on May 2, 2009 for the mythical title of world’s best pound-for-pound boxer. Manny, or “Pac Man” as he is called, is the odds on favorite to maintain his lofty status, attained over the last few years with wins over Juan Manuel Marquez, David Diaz, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, and most recently, and most definitively, the stoppage of the erstwhile “Golden Boy” of boxing, Oscar De La Hoya. Roach is predicting that the fight will end with a Pac Man victory within three rounds and has stated that he would be “very disappointed” if his prediction does not materialize.

Roach has also stated that, “A lot of people ask me if I’m worried about Manny fighting Hatton, since Hatton has never lost a fight at 140 pounds.” Moreover, feeding a long-running feud with opposing trainer Floyd Mayweather has added, “As long as Floyd Mayweather is in Hatton’s corner, I have absolutely no concerns. It’s not like his (Floyd‘s) brother, Roger is training him. Floyd training Hatton for this fight is our biggest advantage.”


This highly anticipated fight sponsored by Tecate, “Cerveza con character” (The beer with character) will pit the “Ring Magazine’s number 1 ranked pound-for-pound champion, Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao (48-3-2, 36 KO’s) against the IBO World Junior Welterweight champion, Ricky “The Hitman” Hatton (45-1, 32 KO’s). The fight is actually for Hatton’s title and will take place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, televised via HBO Pay-Per-View.

Pacquiao and Roach were recently bestowed the honors of 2008 Fighter of the Year and 2008 Trainer of the Year, respectively by the Boxing Writers Association of America. Upon receipt of the honor Roach said, “It’s always nice to be recognized for doing a good job, I appreciate it. He then added, “We worked hard on making Manny a better fighter, and I think he was last year.”

This is the second Edward J. Neil Award in three years for Pacquiao and Roach became the first three-time recipient of the Futch-Condon Award. If the Pac Man is successful in this bid, he will have gained his fifth world title in five different weight divisions! This feat conjures up memories of the great Henry Armstrong, who, over 70 years ago, was the only fighter in history to have held three world titles at the same time. He held the Featherweight, Welterweight, and Lightweight Championships, in that order, between November 1937, and August 1938. Manny won two titles in 2008, capturing the WBC Super Featherweight belt and the WBC Lightweight championship. Simultaneous championships in different weight divisions are no longer allowed.

Hints of a super fight between unbeaten, and former pound-for-pound title holder, Floyd Mayweather Jr. are bantered about, however, Manny must first hurdle Hatton, whom Mayweather knocked out in a previous encounter and Mayweather must come out of retirement and have at least one or two tune-ups against top contenders, like Hatton, to secure the opportunity to fight Pacquiao.
Roach feels that, “If we win, I don’t have a lot of interest in fighting Mayweather. Even if you beat him, you look bad doing it. Mayweather is very skilled.” He then added, “I don’t like his style, he’s a runner, but is a great boxer.

All the divisions, except the heavyweights are alive and well, as attributed to the outstanding fights that just took place on Saturday April 4, 2009. Librado Andrade did a skillful job on the very capable Vitali Tsypko, in winning a clear-cut decision in the IBF super middleweight title eliminator. In the main event, Timothy Bradley won a hard-fought decision over Kendall Holt, unifying the 140-pound WBC & WBO titles. Bradley overcame a near-disastrous first round knockdown and a 12th round scare to win the points decision handily. In winning, Bradley would love to be put in the mix of Pacquiao, Hatton, and other top rung fighters at this weight division. I am sure that Holt, wanting a re-match, would like to be considered for these upper echelon matches as well. These fights reminded this writer of boxing as it was, before PPV and fighters fighting within their divisions. It was an earnest effort and each fighter fought with enthusiasm, displayed excellent skills, top conditioning, and maintained the tension and drama throughout. All this for the comparative low cost of cable television, congratulations to the participants and Showtime for an excellent production.

If the Pacquiao-Hatton fight can do as well, we are in for an outstanding night of boxing. Both fighters are scrappers with big punches and speed to spare. Roach turned out to be quite a psychic in his assessment of the Pacquiao-De La Hoya fight, predicting an 8th or ninth round stoppage. This time he has predicted a third round victory for the Pac Man and has added that Hatton is “not fundamentally sound as a fighter” because of the way his chin stays up. Freddie also feels that regarding Ricky, “He is the perfect opponent for Manny.” Roach was quite confident in adding, “You’re going to hear a lot of glass breaking when Manny starts playing his chin music concerto on Hatton. You’re going to see who has the chops to play this masterpiece on May 2.”
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