if khan wins this WBA title

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:29

sg1985 wrote:
hitman09 wrote: He will not be a real world champion if he beats Kotelnik. The real world champion at LWW is Ricky Hatton.
so what? khan will hold a world title therefore he is a world champion. don't give me all this linear stuff. a title belt makes you a world champion, doesn't make you the best world champion at that weight, but you are still a world champion.

An alphabet world title, which is worthless. There can only be one Champion of the World at any weight, and at LWW, that is Ricky Hatton.

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:39

sg1985 wrote: amir khan will be a world champion if he beats kotelnik. fact

I would expect statements like that from nobody but casual fans and Khan nuthuggers. Kotelnik is not a world champion, and never has been.

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:43

sg1985 wrote:
hitman09 wrote:
sg1985 wrote: amir khan will be a world champion if he beats kotelnik. fact
I would expect statements like that from nobody but casual fans and Khan nuthuggers.
nuthugger? who talks like that?]

but the statement is in actuality a fact. whether you like it or not amir khan would be a world champion.

To be a world champion, you must beat a world champion, and Kotelnik never has been and never will be a world champion.

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:43

Both of you are right.

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:47

sg1985 wrote:kotelnik holds a world title. therefore he is a world champion. if he loses said belt to khan, khan becomes a world champion. do you understand?

Kotelnik holds an alphabet title, therefore he is an alphabet title holder, and nothing more. If he loses said belt to Khan, Khan becomes an alphabet title holder, and nothing more, do you understand?

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:49

Asterix wrote:Both of you are right.

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:50

sg1985 wrote:
hitman09 wrote:
sg1985 wrote:kotelnik holds a world title. therefore he is a world champion. if he loses said belt to khan, khan becomes a world champion. do you understand?
Kotelnik holds an alphabet title, therefore he is an alphabet title holder, and nothing more. If he loses said belt to Khan, Khan becomes an alphabet title holder, and nothing more, do you understand?
still an alphabet world title kidda.

Do you count WBF and WBU beltholders as world champions too?

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:51

Asterix wrote:
Asterix wrote:Both of you are right.

Only I am right. 8)

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:54

sg1985 wrote:
hitman09 wrote:
Do you count WBF and WBU beltholders as world champions too?
yes, they are wbf and wbu world champions. why dont you understand?

You are an idiot.

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:57

If Khan beats Kotelnik he will be A World champion, but Ricky Hatton is currently THE World champion.

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:58

p.s. The WBA suck donkey balls.

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 08 Apr 2009, 17:59

Asterix wrote:p.s. The WBA suck donkey balls.

Rather unusual talk from you.

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:00

Asterix wrote:If Khan beats Kotelnik he will be A World champion, but Ricky Hatton is currently THE World champion.

A more accurate statement would be
If Khan beats Kotelnik he will be A "World champion", but Ricky Hatton is currently THE World champion.

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:02

Asterix wrote:p.s. The WBA suck donkey balls.

I concur with that.

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:02

banjo wrote:
Asterix wrote:p.s. The WBA suck donkey balls.

Rather unusual talk from you.

It's tough being a boxing fan and having a group that give out recognised World titles who decide to have 3 champions in one division. I think we're going to have to keep our own list of World champions. Real World champions (1 per weight class).

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:03

sg1985 wrote:
hitman09 wrote:
Asterix wrote:If Khan beats Kotelnik he will be A World champion, but Ricky Hatton is currently THE World champion.
A more accurate statement would be
If Khan beats Kotelnik he will be A "World champion", but Ricky Hatton is currently THE World champion.

congratulations to me i win

The inverted commas imply that the title is false.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:04

hitman09 wrote:
DG. wrote:
hitman09 wrote:He will not be a real world champion if he beats Kotelnik. The real world champion at LWW is Ricky Hatton.
No he is not.

Based on what? KT 77 years ago?

Yes. Whether or not you think he is the best LWW is a different matter, but he is world champion.

No he is not.

Bradley is more of a champion than Hatton.

Hatton can not feast on the bones of KT forever!

Hatton NEVER faces the hungry skilled guys with a punch.

NEVER!

Bradley is a bit raw but Hatton will never fight him.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:05

Asterix wrote:p.s. The WBA suck donkey balls.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:06

sg1985 wrote:
DG. wrote: No he is not.

Bradley is more of a champion than Hatton.

Hatton can not feast on the bones of KT forever!

Hatton NEVER faces the hungry skilled guys with a punch.

NEVER!

he just beat malignaggi, whether you like it or not he was considered the number 2 super lightweight in the world.

But can he punch? Me say NO NO NO!

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:06

DG. wrote:
hitman09 wrote: Yes. Whether or not you think he is the best LWW is a different matter, but he is world champion.
No he is not.

Bradley is more of a champion than Hatton.

Hatton can not feast on the bones of KT forever!

Hatton NEVER faces the hungry skilled guys with a punch.

NEVER!

He has not lost the title which he won against Kostya Tszyu, therefore he remains world champion.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:06

sg1985 wrote:kotelnik holds a world title. therefore he is a world champion. if he loses said belt to khan, khan becomes a world champion. do you understand?

He will be a WBA champion, and an ordinary one at that.

Are you trying to tell me that anyone who holds any kind of belt which has 'world' in the title is a genuine world champion?

Or are you playing some kind of immature semantic game?

If so, I'll bet you that I'll be a world champion by tomorrow afternoon. I'll PM you the fecking evidence on a letterhead. Will take me five minutes. When I get round to it.

In fact, I'll get Irish correspondent for BBN and monitor of all shite boards to lend me his.

By the way, this doesn't mean I think Hitman is right either.

hitman09 · Post by **hitman09** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:07

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
sg1985 wrote:kotelnik holds a world title. therefore he is a world champion. if he loses said belt to khan, khan becomes a world champion. do you understand?
He will be a WBA champion, and an ordinary one at that.

Are you trying to tell me that anyone who holds any kind of belt which has 'world' in the title is a genuine world champion?

Or are you playing some kind of immature semantic game?

If so, I'll bet you that I'll be a world champion by tomorrow afternoon. I'll PM you the fecking evidence on a letterhead. Will take me five minutes. When I get round to it.

In fact, I'll get Irish correspondent for BBN and monitor of all shite boards to lend me his.

By the way, this doesn't mean I think Hitman is right either.

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Where do you disagree with me?

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:09

hitman09 wrote:
DG. wrote:
hitman09 wrote: Yes. Whether or not you think he is the best LWW is a different matter, but he is world champion.
No he is not.

Bradley is more of a champion than Hatton.

Hatton can not feast on the bones of KT forever!

Hatton NEVER faces the hungry skilled guys with a punch.

NEVER!

He has not lost the title which he won against Kostya Tszyu, therefore he remains world champion.

No?

Well, Witter never lost the British Title therefore he is till the british champion!

Get real, he gave it up abd won it back of 'someone'..

He never lost the WBU either, is he still their champ?

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:10

Sorry, I started typing my last post before I realised this thread had become a home for complete mentalists.

Consider any constructive point withdrawn.

Britannian Stallion · Post by **Britannian Stallion** » 08 Apr 2009, 18:10

I think there have been some very good arguments from both sides here, but I'm sure that if Khan were to anounce a fight against JMM that a lot of ppl would claim he is looking to beat the smaller man.

Whatever Khan does, there seems to be a brigade of people ready to pounce on it and twist it into looking like the easiest, most risk free route to a world title.

I think Khan is a fantastic talent and would love to see him do well for the sake of British boxing. This may be a relatively easy route to a world title, but we are all informed enough on here to realise that a victory against Kotelnik will not make him a respected, bonafide world champion. Khan himself will also be aware of this.

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