Ray Leonard vs. Pete Ranzany

Waiter · Post by **Waiter** » 23 Apr 2002, 22:19

Someone please comment on this one...
This was probably one of the ugliest knockouts I ever seen...After Pete got up from the knockdown in the fourth round...he was pummeled into the ropes...after an avalanche of punches he was completely unconscious...the last five right hands leonard threw had his entire weight behind them while Pete was out cold taking the shots...ref. Joey Curtis grabbed Leonard from behind the waist to stop the onslaught...Leonard proceeded to run across the ring and jumped atop the top rope...celebrating with the crowd.
I thought he killed poor Pete. This was odd because Joey Curtis was noted for stopping bouts prematurely...
Ray never even appeared to check on Pete's condition after the bout.
I always cheered against Leonard after that atrocious massacre...It wasn't really such of a mismatch. Pete won the first round against Ray, and arguably the third..
If anyone else seen this bout and could comment on it please let me know

Brooklyn's Buddy · Post by **Brooklyn's Buddy** » 23 Apr 2002, 23:13

I saw the Leonard-Ranzany fight and the ending was indeed brutal. Ranzany was a very good fighter. In fact, with the exception of De La Hoya, Ranzany was better than any 147 pounder that Shane Mosley has beaten. I would take Ranzany over Six Heads Lewis and Ricardo Mayorga. Leonard's KO of Andy Price was also devastating. Price, too, was a very good fighter who would have beaten Mayorga or Andrew Lewis. Ranzany's win over Sean O'Grady was a very good fight.

Waiter · Post by **Waiter** » 23 Apr 2002, 23:42

Pete beat sean about seven rounds to three...he dominated coming forward with a crisp jab...Sean landed some solid rights in the eighth and ninth rounds but seemed to have no effect...
Pete was an old fighter I was interested in finding some about...as was Randy shields...Ray beat randy in a lopsided decision in '78...Thomas Hearns stopped Randy on an eye cut late in their bout...

Brooklyn's Buddy · Post by **Brooklyn's Buddy** » 24 Apr 2002, 10:40

I also remember the Cuevas-Ranzany bout. It was also a bad loss for Ranzany. That said, he was still a very good fighter.As for Shields, I saw his bouts with Leonard, Hearns, Benitez and Cuevas.They were great fighters;Shields was good not great.Ranzany, Shields, Andy Price and Monroe Brooks were each very solid contenders from California in the 1970's.Also, don't forget Mando Muniz-I saw him fight many times and I remember him fondly.He got beat by Chato Soriano, who was an excellent fighter. The 1970's had so many excellent contenders who did not become champions.

Waiter · Post by **Waiter** » 24 Apr 2002, 13:39

yeah I agree BrooklynBuddy wholeheartedly. The seventies was a great era for boxing. There are many great contenders who would have been champions in a different era of time.

Isn't Randy Shields training Fredia Gibbs?

Isn't Murray Sutherland the guy who is refereeing the Tough Man contest on FX on Friday nights? This show also has Sean O'Grady as an announcer.

Murray Sutherland as well as Yaqui Lopez gave Mathew Saad Muhammad a lot of trouble before being defeated.

Give me feedback on this...
Randy Tex Cobb probably had the most durable chin of any fighter I ever seen. Who else ranks up there...as having a great chin. Ali was notorious as well. Vito Antuofermo had an iron jaw as well...but his face shredded like tissue paper when he got hit.

Brooklyn's Buddy · Post by **Brooklyn's Buddy** » 24 Apr 2002, 14:21

Cobb had a great chin. So did George Chuvalo.I saw Mike Dejohn lift Chuvalo off his feet with a first round uppercut.Antuofermo was one tough fighter.His bout with Cyclone Hart was a war.I didnt know that Shields is training fighters.Wasn't Ranzany a prison guard? Sutherland was another real good contender, as were Bennie Briscoe, Ray Lampkin, Art Hafey and so many others.

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 24 Apr 2002, 22:50

Waiter, gotta disagree with you on one point, partner, and this might shed a little light into the Leonard-Ranzany beating. The point being, Joey Curtis wasn't known for being a 'fright doctor' type of ref, it was just the opposite, he allowed severe hammerings. If you can, try and drum up a tape of the Wilfredo Gomez-Derrick Holmes match. I think Holmes went down 8 times in 5 rounds, with a busted jaw to boot. The ref? Our boy Curtis. I think where you're thinking of him being a little too compassionate was in the first Mike Weaver-Mike Dokes fight where Dokes clipped Weaver and then stopped it shortly thereafter with Weaver under no distress. This was strange because it was so uncommon for Curtis to abbreviate a fight so. However, this was in the wake of the Mancini-Kim tragedy and Curtis was quoted after the fight as saying, "I don't want a Doo Koo Kim on my hands!"

Waiter · Post by **Waiter** » 25 Apr 2002, 15:03

Thanx for pointing that out scartissue...about Joey Curtis

I personally thought fatigue and the outdoor heat had a lot to do with Doo Ku Kim's death...Actually it was a very close bout with Mancini and Kim giving and taking at a very crisp clip...

I kind of felt like Aaron Pryor got a couple of shots too many against Alexis Arguello in their first bout...I always felt like Pryor could have beaten Leonard if he could have handled the additional weight...His whirlwind style actual had a lot of finesse to it. He boxed instead of slugged against Arguello for most of that bout very successfully and showed a good jab and lateral movement...Arguello ran out of steam in the fourteenth and didn't have the stamina to carry him through...and that is why he got stopped.
Was that bout in Atlantic City?
give me your take on it...

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 25 Apr 2002, 23:03

Actually, Arguello Pryor of '82 took place in Miami, but I believe you are right, Waiter, Pryor's style would've given anyone a hard time. His only fault, besides a rather adventurous lifestyle, was his openess to counter-punches (Cervantes, Johnson). As for Arguello, I believe he had peaked at lightweight and his shots just ddn't carry the same steam as they did at 135. I think Arguello pushed the envelope one time too many.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 15 Aug 2006, 18:22

bump....

we have been focusing on the Benn-McLellan beating so much we have almost overlooked other brutal moments in the sport....anyone see the Leonard Ranzany fight?

Even more interesting anyone here remember any of these contributors? I do! it takes me back to the days where I did not know how to log on and I simply read the statements with no comments.

Many people here refer to those days as "the good old days".

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 15 Aug 2006, 19:24

I remember seeing that fight. I think the problem with the referee not stopping it in time is that Ray's hands were so fast a fighter would be out on his feet and the refferee could not react fast enough to spare the guy unessesry punishment.

The worst non stoppage I have seen was Graziono/Zale three where Graziono was knocked down but managed to struggle to his feet only to fall back down but much to his detriment the ropes were their to stop him from falling. For some strange reason the referee did not take into account it was the ropes that stopped Graziono from falling and not his ability to stand up. He's very lucky not to have been seriously injured as he was knocked unconcious for quite awhile.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 15 Aug 2006, 19:26

Castillo could have suffered the same fate at Chico's hands had the ref not stepped in.

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 16 Aug 2006, 09:18

BoxBuzz wrote:Castillo could have suffered the same fate at Chico's hands had the ref not stepped in.

hey boxbuzz?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 16 Aug 2006, 11:42

yes.....?

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 16 Aug 2006, 12:45

BoxBuzz wrote:yes.....?

congrats on 7000. Sorry the idea was that u were on 6999 but then you went and posted somewhere else...

Anyhoo on the stoppages, do people think the Hearns fight should have been stopped when it was?

el tigre del sur · Post by **el tigre del sur** » 17 Aug 2006, 04:49

The Wilfredo Gomez V Azumah Nelson ending springs to mind in relation to brutal knockouts. I think Gomez was on one knee when Azumah snapped his neck back with a straight right. Gomez was one tough SOB.

I used to hate the way Leonard would carry on after a KO victory jumping up & down on the ropes like that - I prefer the more dignified approach of a guy like Arguello.
Duran finally put paid to Leonard's arrogance in Montreal.

I haven't seen the Griffith v Paret bout that ended so tragically but from what I hear it was enough to end TV broadcasts for a while. Was this a great fight?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 11 Jul 2007, 16:23

diggin' up bones......two is enough for one month I suppose. Actually I'm hopin granberry reads about just how brutal Ray could be.....not always the tippy toe artist that granberry yammers about.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 11 Jul 2007, 16:44

Leonard landed pretty much every punch in the book in that fight. Today it would have been stopped probably 30-40 seconds earlier, maybe more.

Elton John · Post by **Elton John** » 12 Jul 2007, 19:57

BoxBuzz wrote:bump....

we have been focusing on the Benn-McLellan beating so much we have almost overlooked other brutal moments in the sport....anyone see the Leonard Ranzany fight?

Even more interesting anyone here remember any of these contributors? I do! it takes me back to the days where I did not know how to log on and I simply read the statements with no comments.

Many people here refer to those days as "the good old days".

Actually, the good old days were before Leonard got into the sport and after he left in 1982. The bouts I saw were so much better especially with Mancini-Kim, Pryor-Arguello, Gomez-Pintor, Animal Fletcher-james Green, Dwight Braxton-Eddie Davis, B. Edwards-Chacon just to name a few that year.

To be honest, I did see Leonard-Ranzany. People forget that Pete had just been knocked out violently by the feared Pipino Cuevas and in half the time it took Leonard so he was probably a shell to begin with.

The way the fight ended was to be expected because I knew that Ray was the kind of person who gets his rocks off pummelling someone who's helpless against the ropes. He would never dream of asking the ref to pause the action in the case of a slaughter.

Ray Leonard lacked the class of someone like George Foreman or Joe Frazier or Marvin Hagler who when beating a defenseless foe, would look at the ref to stop the fight before dispensing further punishment. But those three men had class that Leonard was lacking.

I forgot about Arguello. he was great too.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 18 Jul 2007, 22:07

Brooklyn's Buddy wrote:Cobb had a great chin. So did George Chuvalo.I saw Mike Dejohn lift Chuvalo off his feet with a first round uppercut.Antuofermo was one tough fighter.His bout with Cyclone Hart was a war.I didnt know that Shields is training fighters.Wasn't Ranzany a prison guard? Sutherland was another real good contender, as were Bennie Briscoe, Ray Lampkin, Art Hafey and so many others.

Sutherland became world champion of the 168 division. No offense my man.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 18 Jul 2007, 22:14

Waiter wrote:Thanx for pointing that out scartissue...about Joey Curtis

I personally thought fatigue and the outdoor heat had a lot to do with Doo Ku Kim's death...Actually it was a very close bout with Mancini and Kim giving and taking at a very crisp clip...

I kind of felt like Aaron Pryor got a couple of shots too many against Alexis Arguello in their first bout...I always felt like Pryor could have beaten Leonard if he could have handled the additional weight...His whirlwind style actual had a lot of finesse to it. He boxed instead of slugged against Arguello for most of that bout very successfully and showed a good jab and lateral movement...Arguello ran out of steam in the fourteenth and didn't have the stamina to carry him through...and that is why he got stopped.
Was that bout in Atlantic City?
give me your take on it...

If we see the Pryor vs Arguello I fight in Miami, they clashed heads in the 14th round. Arguello was dazed after that clash of heads and took the worst part of it. Arguello did not throw a single punch after that clash of heads. Maybe he was trying to recapture from the daze. That is when Pryor started his attack when he saw that Arguello was not throwing punches.